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today we're going to try to explain how
i can be
here and now
sitting here as this 64 year old
disabled woman
and yet have
90 alters in space
who are all set at about 25 years old
and they are
navigating ships through space
and how i can have the memory of
missions that are already completed
but for them they're still in progress
so
this is a
potentially mind-blowing concept a trip
this is a big trip now i'm not going to
draw all 90
alters i'm just going to draw you a
couple of them so that you have an idea
of what goes on
and there are
two ways i'm taken
for noctuffin for the germans i'm taken
in this body
and they regenerate me
back to age 25.
for krueger
i'm taken in this body and put into
a
tank
and they transfer my consciousness
into a clone body
and that clone body
appears to be 25
and has its own mind and soul that after
about 20 years it will push me out
so
these
these missions were all to a
planet far enough away that they had to
all use my real body
because
it takes longer than 20 years to get
there
oh
okay
so
yeah
this technology
once you understand the basic of how it
works
it explains a lot of the other stuff
like how they can take you and bring you
back and and you're not even sure you
were taken except you might have marks
okay
i'm drawing pictures
move my chair
so you can see
and i'm going to use different colors
for the different programs okay
so
this the black
is just
me
the black is me
in this life
here and now
we're using the abbreviation h and n
for here and now
the black line is
here and now
oh great
this is good
okay here and now
is this black line and this is my life
i was born
i was taken to
langley here
so we'll give um
look at the cia blue because i hate them
i really do
i mean they took me when i was a small
child they messed with my brain
they sold me to these other people
and they won't leave me alone so
my first trip i was four years old
and they took me to langley
and then they took me
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at six to montauk
and at nine to mars
and i became part of the militia
and in 1990
i went into knocktv
and then in 2016
now it's 2014.
they decided it was time to send me home
so they put me in
a machine
that literally time traveled me back
here
and once i got back here
the age regressed me back to four years
old
and gave me back to my mom
so
this whole time
i was bilocated
in 2013
was when the agent the nsa agent
recovered my memories
now for me
i traveled this path
uh-huh
it's completely linear for me
now does that make sense
so far
yep
okay
the next trip
that i have memory of
was another cia trip
it was
i was about 14
15 well between 13 and 15.
so that would have been about 1970
and they came and got me
and took me for
just over 24 hours
i was living in the high desert of
southern california and they took me to
los angeles
to meet
bath mats okay the draco
and if i had failed that they would have
killed me
they were testing me to see if i would
shape shift okay now i
i've never seen anybody shape [ __ ]
so i personally it was not even in my
consideration
but that's what they were the cia was
afraid of so in 1970 they took me
and they took me again in about 1980
for the same day
so we're talking about trips that i
remember
okay then
i
had an altar
in about
1990
and
the green
is going to be kruger
okay
so krueger took me
then
and that's the altar
that
i nicknamed starbuck
and she served in
kruger as a pilot
and sensor array technician
for five years
so somewhere about
here
she met
well he was a captain at the time
he was a captain for an october and he
was on the space station that she was
based on and he kept watching her and
that was about the time that she got
killed
oh okay
and she was she was in a clone body
okay she was clung that's important she
got killed
um in battle
the
the sensor screen
broke and
basically cut all her skin off
and when she came back in a new body
a new cologne body
this this captain decided that she would
make a good navigator for his
ship it was
their spots which in english is the
sparrow
and
it was used for
spying on nut buff and colonies to make
sure they were behaving themselves all
right
um
she served for 15 years with doctor
october
and so that brings her down
it was
2018. she was sent back
so then she
was back
okay
and hers they killed the clone is how
she got back
you mean that they killed the clone and
the consciousness returned on its own
back to earth
the consciousness returns on its own to
the natural body that it was
that it was born in
but it's not but it's not the whole
consciousness is just part
of what it's the whole
okay
they transfer the entire consciousness
and then they activate the altar that
they want i think okay
so you're not
you're not split up
but because you're in two places in the
same line at the same time you're
bi-located okay and i have
i have memories from there and there
and there
and off and on through this whole thing
because
it's the same consciousness you're
bi-located so there's
there's like a topic connection
and i would wait in her and every time
she was killed she was killed
she was killed a second time about then
because she got an infection that could
not be treated with the medicine that
they had
so she was putting a new body and then
she was killed to send her home
okay
now
last year
not fluffing
so this is in
well
i guess it's the year before last night
also in 2018.
now
they took me
on 60 inbox
so i should be back in
i should be at the end of it at about
what 2080 2078
and
so in 2078
they sent me back
and there are 90 of those
they were one
they were two a night
for 45 days
for 60 years each and they all came back
to that same period
so i know
penny here and now knows
that we could not do our mission and
rescue everyone we only got half the
people out
uh-huh so
was that
was that in the in our future i mean the
rescue mission
uh the rescue mission is going alongside
our current reality is reality okay
and it's
i have connection with parts of it i
i still
am there in dreams um
when i when i sleep
um i have slept lucid
since
my memory was activated
so it's been
almost seven years
that i only sleep dead
whenever that i'm drugged
the rest of the time i'm awake i'm aware
24 7. so
i if i'm asleep here
my consciousness will
drift toward the other pieces of it
and i've been having dreams
of a
krueger mission
that i can't figure out where it is and
i know it's kruger because of the
medical technology they use
but this is our core
they they come and get you with portal
tap
and
the
portal
it's light
and they make a they make a hole and
light comes off it
and it's just big enough for one person
to come out
and
but they usually send three or four to
get me
and they're wearing black fatigues
they usually send three or four to come
get me i am i am not a great
artist at least not on these
but they they set up this portal
upstairs
it's actually it opens
about
two meters the other
the other way from
the top of that door okay
so um
they use the same spot every time
and
i have not figured out
how to stop them
all right question
when they
said that they they have to take your
whole consciousness and then use one of
the altars
so
they can't split up
and use for example if they have
starbucks they want to use they can just
sort of send that alter somewhere and
without the whole
person right
no okay so
how do they how yeah they
take your
they take your consciousness your mind
because the hearing now penny is just
another alter
right as far as they're concerned so
they use they use the code word
to call up the alter they want to open
up sort of like the
the compartment
the compartment right
yeah
to open the compartment they use code
words okay
and most of my personal code words that
i know of already are from worcester
devoxx
now
other people
have other
collections
but in the 1950s they were using wizard
of oz and that's what mine is based on
the
code word for me to remember what
happened to me
for me to remember lieutenant
valkyrie who was on mars and in on the
ship zolham and the code word was free
dorothy
so that's the one i know for sure
and
for me to stay out of
disassociation
the code word was
the 10 man has a heart
i mean they were very basic about this
this was
this was the story they were using
to to program my alters and they were
quite consistent throughout it if they
wanted me to feel and even get panic
they would just
make sure
someone around me said tin man has a
heart
so
okay
now when we are talking about multiple
alters being used at the same time
for example when you were on mars
could it be that you have you you were
used in different places at once
in other words you are you're talking
about by location right now are we can
we also talk about like try location and
multiple locations at the same time
so the consciousness actually has the
ability to
split up do you know the limit like how
many times you can split up
that way
i have 90 alters out there right now
yeah so what i'm thinking is that
are they using them all at the same like
parallel time or are they using them
maybe one after another so it doesn't
overlap
that much
from the perspective of the
consciousness
it's one of the other okay
from the perspective of
okay so you're basically asking
do you can you have
can you have 90 parallel lines like that
at the same time
i have 19 90 parallel lines right now
down here
okay that's what i was telling you
we're talking about you november yes
from november 5th
2018 to
almost christmas that same year they
were taking me twice a night
for these missions i have 90 out there
right now so we're talking about 90
clones
no no they 90 trips in this body
90 trips in this body okay
because the trip is too long for a clone
uh-huh right right
now we are getting into the loops which
is
creating a loop in my mind right now
these are the loops so they did it every
night 45 days a night
twice
two like two altars a night
for 45 days that makes 90 alters
and they would
take you and bring you back and then
take you and bring it back so we're
talking about
actually
90 branches
and loops coming out right of that oh
yeah there's nine is
down here how is that how's that
i mean physically is it
it's one right after the other right
after the other right after the other
and it's regeneration it's regeneration
technology that makes it possible
yeah i mean i mean the the physics of
the what they call the quantum dilation
the physics of it
it means that they have to give you like
a break period for
i don't know recuperation or something
they have to give you a break period
long enough for your body to
be regenerated
to be
back
okay when they first take you
they regenerate you to the age they want
you to be
and they maintain that while you're gone
and then when they bring you back they
have to put you back to the age that
that you were whenever they got you
and they sometimes fix things if the
tech likes you so there will be times
that
there will be times that i will come
back in better shape than they took me
and
the
the injuries and illnesses that i've
been dealing with for the last two
decades
it's really obvious when something was
fixed
even if something even if it's something
little you come back and you go
well i'm pretty sure i was gone last
night oh
my elbow doesn't hurt anymore
i mean i'm 64. i've had a hard life in
this world not even counting that so i
have things that hurt all the time and
have one of those things stop hurting is
like a really big deal
okay i mean a really big deal so i
notice when something is improved
because
an improvement is
often
as big of an evidence that something
happened and my doctor is like
okay
he asks me what happened why i'm better
and sometimes i can tell him and
sometimes i can't
i mean i can't tell him well i got taken
permission last night and they decided
to fix this
and then the next time the tech may be
somebody that doesn't like me and puts
it back to what it was
so it's it's like
i'm sorry it's like a really difficult
situation
because i am a disabled old woman in the
here and now
and
i get shots i get epidurals shots in my
spine so that i can walk
and so any little
improvement
is something major to me
and some of the texts will fix things
and some of them won't
and i think they're not supposed to
okay
how many alters have you remembered so
far
i have re-integrated 30 alters
how do you know that the rest of them
the
the 60 remaining are
i mean the 60 times
yeah
times
yeah i mean the the remaining 60 times
that they took you how do you know that
was for
those are other alters if you don't
remember them how do you how do you
determine that
well i know how many times i was taken
right
and i have memories of of
the mission and the ships and
some of the people i serve with
and
um i know how the mission turned out
so
maybe they are reactivating the same
altars
that's a possibility
that at the same time
because they're because i experienced
them linearly they may be activating
same alters again
i mean if you've got one that's trained
why would you why would you discard it
is that the same group that is using
these 90
alters
uh it's two groups using them but
they're working together
it's the germans and the
the mercenary group known as krueger
and they're
in all of those i'm being used as a
navigator
does that mean that they have what's 90
supposedly 19 navigators
in different places right
yeah they have 90 navigators out there
in ships
and some of them are
some of them are using more than one
ship
at the same time
okay uh i know that the
i know that the one that is on
the german armada flagship
is uh
operating the entire armada together
it's not that much harder to take the
whole armada than it is to take one ship
and it makes it easier coming out
because you're not
nobody's going to get clumped inside
each other that way
okay
the navigator can keep them all
separated
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when you remember
when you reintegrate an alter
for example you're saying you're talking
about 30 elders how
every time you remember one it's a
different ship it's a different mission
there is a different crew that's how you
know it's a different
setting right that's how you know it's a
different altar or do you remember like
your name
there being different and everything
the the rank the name or something
how do you separate those i mean
uh
names are usually variations of penny
bradley
or my birth name penelope
uh
the rank can be anywhere from
lieutenant to captain i only had one
that was a captain um
and she was with earth defense force
and
their ship was stationed
on the giza plateau
and they were supposed to be defending
the city of jerusalem from attacks
and she she was killed in a training
exercise
and she was left catatonic because of
how it happened
and
because the mind was gone they've never
reactivated her
and she i haven't exactly reintegrated
her but she's sitting in my head
and she used to rock and scream and now
she just sits in rocks
so that from my point of view that's a
big improvement
but um
tell me about this altar let's take this
as an example and and like go through
this so people can understand uh
from the beginning to end like when you
say she sits in rocks is she has she not
been
returned or she has been returned and
you see her
in your head as being catatonic right
now how does that work like how did you
remember her and what happened
um
i was aware of her from
2014 to 2017
and she was
i
at the time i thought she was virtual
reality that she wasn't real
and
i didn't yet understand
that these altars were
me
okay
and uh
we were on some sort of a
university
campus and
we were
well the we had been on the ship and i
was training
crew members how to run the ship because
i was supposed to be transferred
elsewhere
and
a couple of my crew members that i had
wanted to train
were being really uncooperative
all
i was
that's all on earth somewhere
it's all on earth and i was
i was
forced to train people that i didn't
think had the ability
because the ones that did have the
ability would not cooperate
and then there was this training session
and
we were on
this campus and i'm not sure where it
was but it was a college style campus
and we were in three teams and we were
equipped with scalpels
and we were supposed to kill each other
and
what it was was a
desensitization to blood
training exercise for military
and
i knew
several of my crew
real world
and after
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after the episode i contacted them and
said do you remember did you have a
dream like this do you remember this
and
three out of the five that i remember
being there did remember it so um
at that point i was curious was it
was it real or was it virtual reality
and by the third session of it i had
decided it was virtual reality and i saw
no reason to be killing anybody
so i penny
who had been piggybacking
walked out
came back to the here and now
which left this physical form there
and she was killed
and the consciousness that what she was
went cantatonic because
her own team was was killing her
and uh they basically went
on i forget the phrase for when you cut
strips of skin off that was how she died
and uh
i
had been using native american
shamanic soul retrieval technique
and found her as a soul fragment
out in
astral okay
40 blend of the dead
so she was basically going to be
abandoned
and i found her out there and
i felt guilty because i had walked out
of her and left her to die
not realizing she was real
and so i brought her back and i've been
giving her peace and love and
trying to help her heal
and
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she's not making a lot of progress
but i see her sitting in the back of my
mind just rocking
so when you walk out on some on
that parallel you
you can actually withdraw your
consciousness back to here
but there will be some some
some remaining projection left there and
that that also has feelings and and
self-awareness right
okay
yes so you there is some kind of a
central command
that
that withdraws but there is still a
projection of your
of yourself there okay
yes
when you walked out on heroes you say
what happened
could not she couldn't be
self-aware enough to defend herself or
did she have less power less willpower
what happened
there were a couple of minutes where the
the body was left without any control
and it was during that time she was
overrun
so and you said there was a
you said that you weren't
was this that was the same ultra that
you were
on the giza plateau with yes
so and she was she was a ship captain
so she was basically assigned to that
training training mission
okay okay she's assigned to the training
mission
all right
i don't have a lot of of
her memories because she's in such bad
shape i can't access them
right
what about the
the
the sparrow
uh
the one that that was on sparrow
you said that they took you what
2013.
they took me
about 1990 oh 1990 right
1990 and
i i know i was sent back in 2018.
so we're talking three lines now the
here and now line
the
not closing line and the kruger line
three parallels
at this point
what i have is
the here and now
not traffic
when the cia takes me
and cougar okay so i have i have three
three
competing agencies that take me
and the cia was the original one that
did and they have sold me to everybody
else okay
so
they sell an altar and a tissue sample
to the ones that use clones okay
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be aware available
oh
i have i have a person personality there
on earth there is there is me
i'm sure they have some
subconscious things going on all the
time but do
can they have that much awareness when
they
serve for example that they are actually
from earth for example or something like
that
do you know if it's possible or not
i haven't thought about that no because
it should it
should be both ways i mean supposedly
it should be it should be both ways yeah
as a theory
i
i wake up sometimes in control of their
altar and body
and i've done damage that way
a lot of damage
um
and
i did it enough from
2014 to 2017 that that
i was pulled in and my ability to do
that was shifted
so where i can piggyback but not control
the other altar
okay so i'm
i'm there and i can see and hear and
feel and know everything that they're
doing
in real time
but i can't
control what they're doing
so that that shift was made in 2017
because i was blowing things up
so you're basically sabotaging
the
the missions
okay i blew up a cyborg factory on mars
tell me about that
that was about that was in 2016.
i was on a mission it was a krueger
mission
uh four of us were sent in to
get upgrades
to our enhancements and it's a very fine
line between an enhanced human and a
cyborg it has to do with how much of
your natural body is still there
but we're there to get our enhancements
upgraded
and by penny
woke up inside
the penny bradley that was there
and i saw
the rows and rows and rows
of cyborg bodies you know robots
mechanical family
from like
hanging on an assembly line assembly
and it was 16
across
and they were just hanging in rows
and then i saw humans on hooks
alive on hooks
around the edge
waiting to be
converted
and what they do is they take a piece of
your brain
this big or smaller that contains your
pineal gland
and that's all they use of the human
in the cyborg
and the rest of it gets turned into
et food
and uh
that's what happens to a lot of the
people who the refugees and and sick
people who disappear on earth
that's what happens to them so that was
a krueger mission you said right
that was a kruger mission but we were we
were going to the icc
well that's what the community calls
them we called it planetary corporations
but we were going one of their factories
to get our upgrades okay now i don't
know what kind of deal that krueger made
with planetary corporations
for this
but
that's whose tech we were using
so we were at their factory and
i penny blew up the place because i was
i was
deeply mortified by what was going on
around me what how what
what did i do i felt a rising panic
panic
and my
panic triggered my psi ability
to blow up electronics
and i
blew up the place
i sent out an impulse that
there's a big black mark on mars to this
day smoke still rising up
is that like a closed circuit that you
create a closed circuit with like
you know fire
sparkles coming out of the electronics
or something
or does it catch on fire how does that
what did what do you remember from that
what i remember was was all the
electronics exploding at once and it
just
the the power plant
took it
just went
so it was a central explosion and i was
caught and my that
that
altar in a cloned body was killed
and
did they do you think they reversed it
could they reverse it
what you did i mean
they possibly could have
but they haven't
so
um
they haven't
it's what you know they're they're
talking about that that mars has these
things happen and and they had
a second strike last year that i was not
involved in okay clearly
i know that
noctuffin
took out
the plant
on mars the factory
where they were storing
the
consciousnesses
of
of ssp assets who had died
these
these people had been tracking us on
earth and when we died of natural causes
they would come and
trap our souls instead of letting us die
yes
so if they store you for
a week you're still who you were when
you died if they store you for five
months
you have no memory and when they bring
you out they have to retrain you
oh okay so they they lose the earth
memory so to speak
not probably not completely but they
don't have the skills
in place
okay yeah they don't know who they were
they don't they don't have language they
have to be taught everything like baby
right
i mean when they are put in a body right
okay when they're put in a body but the
the folks running this
knew what their abilities were
and they sell these people
these assets they sell them to et's they
sell them to people on earth
they
they're just another
commodity
so then so the knock often did this
because they they wanted to eliminate
competition
no no
no they did this because it was
repugnant to them really they do
they do have an ethical system really
so that was even beyond what they
would consider acceptable
was beyond what they would consider
acceptable yes wow
so
basically not often
when you die you die you don't get
reused or trapped
as they did it unless unless you have an
ability that they
cannot replace easily
okay
so there is there is an exception to
that rule
i have been learned that they will never
let me actually die
and having already been dead five times
and i'm still here
however bizarre that may sound to your
audience
i'm beginning to think that that maybe
there's a point
to that that some of us
will not ever be allowed to leave
what's the point again
you mean that
i
okay i know a person here and now
who is one of the people who picks up
assets for not buff and service
she's
she's on the ship that comes and gets us
okay
and
i can't tell who she is all right okay
she's
she's private
and she has five-year-old child who
would be at risk
okay so that doesn't matter okay and so
okay she told me that she had been
warned
to not get too close to me
so they know we've been talking here and
now
and she was told don't get too close to
her because we're not ever going to
allow her to die
that when she finally gets to the point
where she's dead on earth
we're going to take her into space
and regenerate her
and she's going to keep working for us
until we can't regenerate her anymore
oh my god i can't even die and get away
from these people
so the
we have 15 minutes left and so the
we're planning to do another session
with
a person that you say
you were together with in one of the
altars can you can you segue to that now
and so we can maybe the next one we do
will be with with that person
okay um
he has videos out
he's public his his name is will glover
and will and i serve on
the flag the german armada flagship
together
and i'm the
navigator
and he's enlisted but an enlisted
officer
like a master sergeant
and he comes on the bridge
so
we have some interaction
and
he knew who i was
i knew he looked familiar
but
we had been friends on
email
he wasn't on facebook then he is now
and uh
we had been talking for a while and
this one particular day
we were
emailing back and forth fast enough it
was almost like we were talking in real
time
there there was like 10 minute lag at
most and i had sent him pictures
and uh he made a telepathic connection
with him with me
and pulled me into his head
and then
took both of us into his altar's head on
the bridge of the ship
where i got to see
myself
being rude to him
and so he took his eyes yeah so he took
you so you could see through his eyes
what you were doing
and
as an enlisted man
he was not supposed to be flirting with
me and that's what he was trying to do
and
i had recently been in a lot of trouble
on that ship
um my commanding officer doesn't like me
at all
and is trying to
get me off his ship
what time what time frame are we talking
about this the mission
when is it this is this is one of these
uh-huh i see in the future this is the
ones that's still out there
and
i've been on that ship for a while now
and that that commander is
he's doing things that are against
regulations trying to get rid of me
and we've had several
fights
because things he's doing to me are
illegal
under
german law
and
i've gone as far as documenting it and
sending my documentation to high command
and he will stand
nose to nose with me and scream at me in
german that i am a draco
that i smell like a draco i act like a
draco
that i just look like a human and that
he doesn't want me on his ship and
that he's going to make sure that i'm
gone
and that i will be disgraced through the
entire
fleet
and he's been doing a fine job of
setting me up
and he
does things to trigger me and then
reports my reactions without telling
what he did to cause them
okay
and he's making me sound completely
irrational
and one day i got so angry i blew his
head up
so that was the one that that you told
us in in the first the very first
interview
right yeah
that was the one i told you about the
very first interview that i blew his
head up and
he
went into the regen tank and when he
came out
he
he held
the court martial which is also against
regulations
it should have been someone from high
command
you never have the victim doing the
prosecuting
okay
and
uh
didn't matter what i said i was guilty
because i had blown up his head and he
had me put out
the airlock
until they knew i was dead they had a
rope around me and they pulled me back
in in region because they still needed a
navigator
now
most
knocked off and ships the navigators are
draco
full blood
full blood jacob
there are not enough humans or even
hybrids that are capable of doing the
job
this is the reason the germans will
never let me die is because i replace a
draco on their ship
okay if you if you have someone that you
can live around even if i occasionally
have a temper tantrum
then that's
here to someone that you cannot live
around because
your brain can't your personal
neurological wiring can't handle the
energy
so
on a scale of
kill you or just [ __ ]
they're gonna go with just [ __ ]
it sounds strange that
it's a flagship and he's the captain of
it
and he
is in the position that he must
have an understanding of what
like every asset is
and yet he is behaving this way towards
you and probably others
um
it doesn't sound very
very efficient on his part to spend so
much energy on you when
you know
it's uh
i mean it's a big job right he is a
captain of
not just a ship but a flagship
what's going on there is is he is he
feeling so like i don't know confined
on that on that position that he has to
like
sort of release on on people like you or
what
why is he doing that
people tend to rise to the level just
above where they're competent
and
he knows he cannot do anything without a
decent navigator
and
i was getting too much praise for my
work okay
so
so he decided to make me look crazy
crazy unemotion
emotionally uncontrollable
irrational
that's the phrases he's using to
describe me to
high command
and so i have been documenting what he's
been doing to trigger these episodes
one of the things he did
that is completely
illegal
okay
in
noctuffin
they take the european approach that sex
is a good thing and that
it relieves pressure and makes you more
productive
and under the regulations it's
encouraged but not ordered
it's supposed to be completely voluntary
but yeah it's encouraged
well what he has done is he has four
officers
men
who are sadists
and none of the females want anything to
do with them
at all
we have recommended that they stick to
themselves
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well
he ordered me
to service them
and this is against regulations
and that's part of why i blew his head
off
was it was personal defense
and
i was not allowed to enter that into my
defense during the court martial
so i made sure that it got to high
command
and so far they have not in they have
chosen to not investigate him
is it because is it because you are in
the middle of a big
operation
right now
well that's that's part of it
is we're in the middle of it we're
talking about like a time frame in the
future so
the bleed through you have is from that
time it's not before or after what i
mean is
there probably is a
an outcome there but you don't have
access to that right
it's like here
oh it's so it's not it's parallel with
us
it's parallel with us it's real time
in real time this man is abusing me
and i know
by the end of the 60 and back nothing's
going to be done about him because i'm
already back from all that i think
you're back but you don't know
what's forward to you i mean you don't
know what's going to be next year and
the year after next i
i went
all of this
and came back so i know what's in that
i don't know what's in here okay
so you know you know the you know you're
60 and back to to to the very down to
the end
yeah oh okay
i know he's not going to have anything
happen to him over it or if he if he
does
i will not be informed of it
and i know that the entire trip he's
going to make hell for me
so the germans must have a a great uh
managerial human resource
problem
because because if you for example you
you
if you blow up
your boss's head like that
even if it's regenerated afterwards
there must be some kind of a
report sent to the high command saying
okay this happened
there must be an internal investigations
department some kind of supervision
any of that
right i mean it's not just i i was
punished in and i was put back in my
duties and
i am supposed to submit to him and
we're on a ship together for a very long
time i understand but the i mean
operationally speaking he is
now in the way of the
whole thing
you know doing what he's doing
so there must be a problem somewhere you
know the
we we say in russia you know the
a fish rots from the head down that
means there is some problem maybe up top
above him
that they're not seeing you know they're
not seeing that this is happening
and it's and it's
what they're seeing is that in a
military situation that he has what it
takes to
get the job done there they
really don't care how he treats those
under us as long as we get the job done
and
the team he has put together
we tend to put our
job ahead of
our personal dislike for him
but did blow his head off
and now when he looks at me
telepathically i remind him that i blew
his head off
so he's not pushing as hard but he's
still being nasty
okay the last question for today
uh
you you talk about all of this in real
time
can you function
in this life here and now
and see that in real time at the same
time how does that happen or do you have
do you need to be like a sleep
or resting or you know doing something
that doesn't require your you know full
attention to see that okay could you for
example drive a car and talk to them
there or could you
i cannot drive far and talk to him i
have to be in
i have to be where i'm not concentrating
on anything else all right all right so
it's like listening to something that
you want to like if you're listening to
an interview for example you cannot at
the same time talk on the phone or you
know drive a bicycle or something like
that right okay
right right right okay
you can listen to music while you well
while you're riding a bicycle but you
can't listen to a lecture and really
concentrate if you say one across a road
somewhere or you know do something okay
so how often do you
sort of
go there go over there
what crossover crossover crossover
um i usually crossover a couple of times
a day in different altars
so it's not every day for the same ones
and some of them i don't know where they
are
uh you just have a picture
a sensation or i have
i have like
like a movie i'm in
but i don't know how i got there and i
don't know
where it goes
and everything
yeah um there's one i would really like
to know where it is i think it's re i
think it's a colony that was
related to kruger
because i've
gotten bits of it
over the last two years
and it's
it's a colony that's been destroyed and
it's only a few survivors trying to
to
stay alive
and most of their technology no longer
works
and what does
they don't have the
parts to repair it
so they're
cannibalizing
where they can
to keep vital functions going and
it appears nobody knows they're still
alive oh okay
so they are
stranded somewhere
yeah they're stranded somewhere in ruins
of their own
of their own culture
so
there's gray rocks that they have built
around
and
it looks like you're just going into a
hole because they have a they still have
a holographic technology to cover the
entrances
and you're just walking into a
a hole in the wall and you'll have a
ring that is your key to get into places
and
it will give a green
a trio of green stripes if you're
healthy but if there's something wrong
it will give
variations of yellow or red and numbers
with it that tell you tell the tech
what's wrong with you and if it it when
it gets to a certain point they take you
into a holographic med bay of the type
that randy cramer describes
so
there's
there's a man there that keeps telling
me he's my father
and i don't believe him
and uh
there are a lot of children and a lot of
of disabled adults
and it it
very much has the feel of they had some
sort of major catastrophe and
most of the adults were injured and
they're trying to survive
so it's like a post-apocalyptic
society
yeah it's a post-apocalyptic society and
i'm
like one of the
like i would have been a young adult at
the time of the attack
and
maybe in my mid-30s
so i i've become a de facto leader
simply by being there and
is it that is it through it like a
download like a flash
download that you get this or do you
have to watch it real time as if it was
a minute after minute going by
i have to watch it like a minute after
minute going by
it's
something that is
i'm there and experiencing
this
scene
can you can you talk to them to the that
person that you are there
sort of can you cross over and say i am
penny or i haven't
i haven't been able to interact with her
when i'm there i'm her okay but not
not
affecting what she's doing
you're not like
overlapping her you cannot say that you
know you you came from somewhere that
you're a separate
separate uh yeah
personally do that no
interesting i'm experiencing it as her
okay
well being me and the hair and now
so it's like i have entered her head and
become her
except i don't know all the background
story i only know what is happening now
so
i
am in full background from the state of
the situation
so they do have some technology that
still works but
they can't repair it when it breaks
are there
alters that you have
right here and now on earth
that you know
okay yeah
i have one that pops up about once a
week and
gives lu a really hard time and
he has told me that
if she were a man that he would punch
her
no i mean that that serves somewhere on
earth
i have one that i don't want to talk
about because that will give me
it's a cia asset what's you what you
were talking about just now what you
mentioned just now is an interesting
thing that we did cover is that they can
pop out and actually take over for a
while or what's happening there
okay it's
they come in they take over they run the
show i have no memory of what they did
i have at least one day a week that i
don't know what the hell i did and i go
through my
messenger on facebook to make sure i
didn't cause any trouble oh my god
um i have no idea what i do what about
the people around you like do they
remember what you did and
who you were ludas okay
buddha
and i
have gone as far as
contacting a couple of friends of mine
who work with with
reintegrating alters and
they've given me some advice on how to
keep penny in charge
and
uh i've been following it and it's
slowed them down but hasn't stopped it
so
uh in fact last september
i went to
las vegas and a group of us met up there
and uh
so there were five of us from the ssp
group all in one place
for two three two or three days
and uh
i got so bad
alters just pop pop pop pop
i was dropping things and just really
being a klutz
and uh
the man from australia takes my face in
his hands and looks me in the eyes and
he says
only one of you can run the body at a
time
and i asked him am i that obvious and he
says to someone who understands what's
happening yes you are that obvious and
how do you tell
you said that your mother has at least
three altars and you you must you must
be able to tell by now that
someone has switched to another altar
how do you tell i watch
i watch videos and
i have a couple of close friends
oh i don't have altars
one of these friends i showed her
took
her own video and showed her exactly the
minute she shifted
and she took it offline
oh
she says
i don't have alters
yes you do you're shifting right there
and she changed she changed from being
her normal
talkative friendly self to being a sex
kitten oh
all right
and the change was like
so it was a dramatic thing and she a
dramatic change in personality and she
didn't know she did it
so does it always happen this
drastically because
when you want to when they want to make
a movie about this multiple personality
thing they have to make it so
drastic and contrasting and obvious so
that the audience can actually see
there's a change right that like in the
movie split which i haven't seen but i
know the movies like that
is it the same in real life
there was an old movie the three faces
of eve
that that was
it can be like that you can have several
alters that appear normal
but don't share memory
and so
if you
have a lot of memory gaps a lot of
things you just don't remember
and people are telling you you said
things and you don't remember saying it
there's a pretty good chance you've got
an altar going okay
with my mother
she has one altar that likes me
and that altar will call up angry that i
haven't called
i swear
um i used to call her once a month every
month for years and then the other
alters started being so nasty that i
would sit and cry for a week afterwards
well the woman knows all my buttons and
she would stomp on them
and
i was in the process of getting out of
disassociation and so i was forcing
myself to feel everything
and the combination was not very healthy
for me so i stopped calling my mom
well then she moved in with my sister
who
has her own issues
of course i mean if you're raised by
somebody with altars you're gonna have
issues
and uh
so then
my mom has two other altars
that will tell you
nasty crap
and because there's two of them they
don't remember what the other one said
and so you'll have what i have is
somebody who is yelling and screaming at
me over something that i did when i was
eight
and she's yelling at me like it just
happened okay
and
then she'll shift
subtly
and suddenly
she's mad about something that actually
did happen in the recent past
and doesn't remember yelling at me at
all
and then she'll shift into the one that
likes me and well i never did that
i never said that i go mom i have
witnesses
i think mom
you know
i don't talk to her i do not talk to her
on a private phone call i talk to her on
speakerphone with lou listening so that
i have a witness because she has so
gaslighted me in the past
that
lou wasn't sure i was saying okay
because
mom was so
solid i never said that you're making
that up
now this is this is great that you
shared it because you know we we all
have people in our lives or have seen
people that could be you know
forgetful
like liking to be in denial you know
senile i'm sorry all of these things
that people could say you know i didn't
do that or or they would have mood
swings for example one minute they're
angry another minute they like you
another minute that you bring something
up they hate you again
but what you're saying is actually
i can see it very clearly how if the
person is denying what happened five
minutes ago
or or is as you said very emotional
about something that happened like when
you were eight that's probably something
else that's not just a mood swing
she's in her 80s and my
sister is trying to say it's dementia
except that my mom has been like this
since i was in my 20s
so
this is not new
right you know
so it's not dementia unless she hit
navincia in her 30s
because she was she was 17 when she had
me she's she's not that much older than
i am
so
as we get older we become peers and
she's still clinging to this i'm your
mother you have to obey me so and so who
is the real
who is the real person then do you know
i don't think there is a real person
anymore i think all of them are her
that
none of them have been dominant enough
for her to have a full record in our own
mind from any of them so there is no
what you're saying is that there isn't
enough awareness for her to actually
real step back and realize that she's
been you know she's been switched
almost automatically between them
now
she
she thinks she's normal and that i'm
just that she thinks i'm gaslighting her
because i'm telling her what she tells
me and i have witnesses she's told me
and i would have to
video it and play it back for her but
she would switch when she saw the
evidence and not believe me
so this this is this is
this is why
these families of the people like me
we don't get along well because we all
have altars this is a multi-generational
problem
i know
my mother has altars
i have altars
at least two of my kids have alters
and my grandkids have had the
personality changes that go with the
first abduction
so we're looking at four generations in
just my family so what's your this is
this a serious problem what you're
saying is it's always induced
it's all induced
it's not like we are it's not like it's
a genetic or or something
no it's not a genetic problem this is
this is someone is doing this to us
and i personally blame cia or the agency
that that
they were before that name
which was what
office of strategic services yeah they
always said lss
so the oss would have been who bothered
my mother
because she was born in 38
so that was during the war
it's amazing so
this has been an ongoing program for
we're
getting close
to 100 years
so
that's why i wanted it stopped
they have chosen a bloodline
and have been
using us like we're race horses or
or show dogs
and
we have no say in this
and the worst of it is they don't need
to there's nothing we do out there that
can't be done by consenting adults
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