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hi there everyone we're about to go live
uh and thank you for uh coming by on a
friday night and joining us
so okay so we're going to be talking to
captain kay uh randy kramer and he is
here uh actually you can see his face i
believe and uh and i'm looking i have
two computers going and i check out one
one to to make sure that we're actually
live
um so this is uh going to be all about
the earth defense force this is uh
friday night october 3rd
and uh
this is a project camelot live stream it
will be broadcast uh it will be uploaded
to youtube uh
at least during the night tonight and
should appear there uh tomorrow
depending on how long we go for uh
upload times etc so be aware of that
and we do have 94 000
subscribers on our youtube channel at
this point so and rising and uh and and
that is um something of an achievement
so
yeah so so this will will go out to them
and uh so regardless of how many live
listeners we have these are going to be
the very dedicated listeners and thank
you for that for hanging in there and
you can ask your questions tonight and
that should be a lot of fun um
we do know that captain k uh randy
kramer has been out there um on the
circuit he has
originally come forward with
exopolitics.org
michael sala
and i i'm gonna let me double check with
you when how how long ago i i'm saying
it's like five months was it longer than
that
i want to say that um
michael sala and i did the original
interview
that i did for him back in april or
something like that um and then it may
have gone up
you know a month later or something like
that and then we had a little bit of a
delay using uh the pseudonym the captain
case within them and then going to using
my real name just because i had some
personal preparation in my life to sort
of deal with before i was ready to do
that
um
and then once i felt i had sort of
personally prepared adequately then we
went ahead and did that uh interestingly
enough the second that we did that and
he went back to the original audio video
files that we recorded uh all the audio
portions had been deleted so someone had
decided it would be fun to get on his
computer and tamper with the audio files
and delete them so we kind of lost our
original five and a half hour full audio
video interview the first one that i did
we still have it on audio with the no
video portion and we have a video
portion with no audio
but we have no audio video portion so it
was more just an annoying monkey wrench
thing than anything else
uh and the more i keep talking around
the more i just keep repeating myself
anyway which is fine so you know i
wasn't too bummed about it and anything
else i was you know expected uh little
harassment so but that is what happened
but that was about april that we did the
interview
okay okay great and uh so what i'm gonna
do here is is see if i can read this um
this intro that you've given me and uh
just for the people that are listening
uh like i say uh this is the live
um broadcast on live stream and live
stream is such that uh we leave it up
there and they will be um immediately
after this this is over it starts
running and it just runs non-stop as
long as you want to view it and that's
how live stream works so um
so people that tune in later will be
able to to hear the beginning even late
later tonight um right after we we get
off the air so so it's kind of a good
arrangement um we are not able to uh
to pay for the live stream channel it's
a quite exorbitant pricing over there
and so
there may be commercial interruption
during the broadcast at um
at the viewer end i'm not sure how that
works but i can say that it doesn't
record on to the actual
uh you know video and therefore it won't
be going on to youtube with commercials
so don't worry about it you will be able
to hear everything that is said um now
this is something i've been doing lately
i'm asking the listeners and uh randy
you're welcome to do this as well um to
to make a recording uh so that we back
each other up with this because these
kinds of uh
dialogues are really important to the
world at this point and um we don't want
to lose anything and so if one of us
gets attacked uh hopefully someone else
has a copy so please do record and and
make a copy if you're able to if you
have that kind of technology at hand
and i i am using more than one device to
record this at this moment hopefully my
my extra recording devices will
will actually work um
and and so if you know if if you can
help out of the background just just as
a safeguard because we really
we want to keep this going um here
and
and and so appreciate that um
now i'm gonna turn on this this recorder
here in the background while i speak
um so now i've got i'm doubling up here
a bit
um
okay so
at this moment let me say that uh i
think we got this all going
uh okay captain randy kramer is a u.s
marine and super soldier who served for
17 years on mars defending the mars
colonies he got his start in project
moon shadow and was assigned to the mars
defense force from a
covert military branch united states
marine corps
special section set up by president
president eisenhower as a unit designed
to handle all matters of et contact
and hopefully keep things in check
regards
to the activity of md j-12 and some of
their more unscrupulous
members
yeah um
he he raw to that uh
he was given permission to speak
publicly by his superiors in august of
2000
i think um
2014 2014 and is a sanctioned officer
providing
covert information to the public because
secrecy has become its own threat
and uh and that's a wise statement there
i have to say thank you for that
so you're very welcome thank you for
letting me make it
okay so
obviously uh i don't want to duplicate
everything you've ever done uh out there
because that that would just not be so
fascinating for the for the listeners
and um and i can say that that recording
is available still on on exopolitics.org
or it's on youtube and it's on youtube
also other people have compiled the five
hour interview in their own means and
methods and put it on other channels as
well as will uh will happen with camelot
interviews all the time
so um so i put up links that every
interview that i can on my website for
people to also you know get the
different bits of information from the
different questions and so forth as the
interviews you know go in different
directions if they want to get the
bigger and bigger story certainly get
emails from people who've gone listen to
them all and have their you know have
comments and thanks for it so um if
people are really that interested i try
and put everything on my website for
them to get and listen to it all right
there and have the links there too
okay very good well um at this moment uh
we're just gonna sort of launch into
this and we'll we'll definitely leave at
least a half hour if not more than a
half hour for questions at the end and
so i love questions as long as we can go
uh you know we'll try to do this for
one to two hours i i try not to go much
longer than that just uh out of fairness
to my guest we we tend not to have
breaks but we can have a break if if you
need a break and you want a break so
just uh make a mention to me
um now it what has happened i i don't
know you know what you know about
camelot and all of that but
basically um
we have been on this sector and and
dealing with this secret space program
now for
uh about eight and a half years and so
we're kind of not new kids on the block
and so my questions are going to be
um jumping ahead a bit here and there
and uh hopefully that for people that do
watch this later on and haven't seen the
other uh preparatory interviews if you
can give i i've just given a very short
introduction but if you can give your
own um introduction and see if you can
summarize your experience
um as close as you feel you know and
take whatever time you need to set the
scene so to speak and from there we'll
we'll launch and and go into other other
areas so um i think it'd still be good
to get give some background here
sure sure care i'd be happy to um
people who are already familiar with me
know my background a bit but i will just
be succinct uh and lay it out there and
so anybody who's hearing this for the
first time who is not familiar with me
make a lot but i'm just going to lay it
out and we can get to the questions and
we'll get to the various parts on why i
have more than one good reason to say
that i'm telling the truth and to be
able to verify that i'm telling the
truth as well is to be able to answer
and provide a lot of questions and
answers so uh simply put uh
really
as a member of united states marine
corps special section i have to sort of
give that a mention first which was an
organization that was started in kind of
late 1953 when president eisenhower
signed a secret executive order into
action uh mandating their creation uh
signing the united states marine corps
special section special code into law it
was designed to be a military branch uh
unto itself so that it would be able to
deal specifically with et issues because
the notion that all these other branches
and intelligence groups were going to be
parceling out or doing things eisenhower
could see where some of the people in
that wanted to go with that and he
really wanted to try and create an
organization that had ethical odes uh to
a system of constitutional order that he
felt might keep it more in line with the
legal authority seeing what the dangers
were for uh all of this turning illegal
i mean you know his farewell speech
trying to warn everybody against the
military industrial complex was you know
because he saw that coming in in late
1953 he tried to do uh what he could to
catch that coming which was to sign uh
united states marine corps special
section into law and i could go in a
little bit more about that but i
will just say that they started to deal
with the problem like everyone else was
dealing with the problem back in the 50s
and as
the progress made itself into the 60s uh
you know everyone was really competing
internally for technology and
information and it was way less of a
cohesive uh internal space program you
know kind of all one system or all under
one agency or something there were many
agencies that were supposed to have
authority uh overarching keeping it all
under control but that was never the
case there were always the problem of
these middle managers from the special
study groups who had their own projects
on the side and their own agendas and
were interested in padding their own
pockets and making sure that they could
pocket their own technology to
prepare for their own contingency plans
and so forth so it really became a kind
of a techno-feudalist state i really
like to say that the
um the cold war was
really not a cold war intelligence war
between the east and the west or western
and eastern ideals it was really between
every single military intelligence
organization that had to do with
anything extraterrestrial exopolitical
and it was really a techno feudalist uh
techno civil global war between everyone
trying to get that information because
it was absolutely without question the
most important information that could be
held at that time
so people want to say historically oh it
was about you know nukes and codes and
now it was always a priority to be
dealing with extraterrestrial and
exopolitical information and certainly
when i say you know everyone against
everyone i mean that the army was spying
on the cia the caa spying on the navy
the navy's fine on the marine corps of
the marine corps spying on the fbi the
fbi is trying to spy on everybody else i
mean it was really has been a pretty
chaotic order so when we talk about sort
of the overarching organizations like
the earth defense forces this organized
effort you have to understand that it's
loosely organized it becomes an
organized sort of entity but what
creates and sort of fuels that entity is
less organized and less stable than the
entity itself and so
um
it's really important for me to
emphasize there is no one group one
person one family one organization one
military intelligence outfit controlling
the whole shebang one have alien
agenda controlling the whole shebang
not even close we have
dozens of agendas dozens of
organizations dozens of
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relationships and treaties with
different et races and groups that all
have a stake and an agenda and we should
do it this way or let's cooperate with
these people but let's fight with those
people
and
really if we want to talk about that
grand theory i call it the brand cluster
fudge theory for a reason because
there's really no simple way of trying
to organize the exopolitics of state
when you're thinking about the whole
planet every secret military
intelligence organization that's
involved
how that creates a covert space program
to try and cohesively defend and protect
ourselves and funnel that information
and technology into something that seems
to be a
manageable product
which in and of itself
does do something but its power is
certainly limited and because of
paperwork and so forth when you separate
the edf from like the mars colony
corporation and the mdf again who have
this relationship but on paper they're
very separate so the edf doesn't really
have direct authority over the mcc or
the mdf but if there was a situation
where they had to then it would have to
be at the point of plasma cannons it
would not necessarily be a
straightforward you know we want to do
this you want to do that so it's it's
very um complicated and it's very mixed
up so uh without diverging too much
which it did a little bit there in the
1960s pretty much became the priority
technology with super soldier program
technology we were really developing the
genetic alteration technology uh and the
ability to really
from the ground up build uh super
soldiers because before that what we
really had was nothing but trauma based
mind control super soldier technology
which is really primitive really
damaging to the subject uh and causes
the subject to have a really short
lifespan so if you want to guarantee
that you have a subject that can get a
job done
for you you know if the hand at the hand
of a very very large stick uh it'll
happen but you're not going to get it
for very long and it's going to burn
itself out or self-destruct or become
completely mentally unstable or
something um so
the united states marine corps special
section being the organization that it
was or is and being beholden to the o's
and the special code that it is
um it really was doing plenty of tests
and assessments about this technology
and was assessing that much of this
trauma-based mind control uh was not
working well and so they essentially did
a study that said uh hey everybody we've
done a study and
we think that your methodology of trying
to create super soldiers is bad and we
have a better methodology that we'd like
to try and we'd like to see justin we
think you all should consider why
this is a better way of doing things
than what you're doing because we think
what we call going with the brain
training versus this against the grain
training that you're doing will not only
create a better subject super soldier
subject but they'll last longer they
won't go crazy if it works right and
they'll actually want to do their job
because you won't beat them and rape
them every day
um and which you know kind of seems like
pretty simple to some people but to
certain people in the organization just
that absolute domination was really
important and they were not interested
in listening to someone's alternative so
uh united states marine corps special
section decided to implement its own
program and thus created something
called project moon shadows in the late
1960s project moon shadow was formed and
by late 1969
uh my dna was being concocted in a petri
dish somewhere and then when i was born
in the middle of 1970
i was genetically engineered from the
ground up at that point
to be a super soldier fighting machine
uh and was implanted back into my
mother's womb and came out nine months
later and raised as normally as my
parents uh could figure that everything
was being was happening they had no
knowledge or suspicion that anything
weird was happening they had a pretty
strong religious background so any of
the sort of more weird metaphysical
things that were occurring they could
certainly just sort of write off as
being a
demonic attack on the household or you
know something that was much more
spiritually answerable to their
religious system as opposed to being
something maybe more material uh and
extraterrestrial technology
technological but
they were certainly there when you know
strange bruises and strange burns and
things were appearing you know uh in the
middle of the night i would wake up and
be one of those where did this come from
so they're getting old and and they
don't remember a lot of that stuff when
we talk about it but you know there's
certainly conversations that we've had
they certainly recall strange things
were going on but they
you know they kind of live in their own
universe as well in some way so it was
really they weren't really sure what was
happening i recently briefed them and
they actually took it very well i have
to say they actually took it very well
uh and they're actually being very
supportive and they're doing i think as
well as can be expected for their age
and their background but i think
to their credit they live in a world
where a lot has happened so you know all
of a sudden
to say oh hey guess what secret space
program super soldier program is not the
craziest thing they've ever heard and
it's not the most outlandish thing
they've ever heard because we're kind of
getting to that day and age where
we're hearing more and more enough that
this is more than normal than it is the
abnormal that we've been led to believe
for seven decades
um so
basically i was trained from my
adolescence up to my teenage years the
age of 17
as a super soldier in project moon
shadow which again was a different kind
of program the goal was not to just be
this hard and make us become murder
machines but to try and train us to be
actual thinking feeling
uh moral super soldiers that would make
moral and ethical decisions uh that
would be for the good of the people and
for the good of the planet around them
which our command kind of based on this
historical notion uh they really took
the classic greco-roman heroic model and
said look if we really want to create
people like you know this if we want to
make an achilles if you want to make a
hercules if we want to make an atlas or
an ajax
they're not just murder machines you
know these these are moral ethical
heroes who did what they did because
they believed in a better purpose they
believed in a better thing they were not
just bigger stronger faster smarter
monsters they were bigger stronger
faster smarter stronger better heroes
because they believed in self-sacrifice
they believed in in not just kicking
back and being fat with a bunch of cows
and a bunch of wives but you know they
were out you know fighting the dragons
and the monsters of the world to protect
the people
um so the notion that you could create
something that was smarter better
stronger faster and more moral and
ethical
was their goal so
they took 300 of us and ran us the
program and then when i guess sort of
graduated about age 17 and then
in project moon shadow essentially as
only one of many super soldier programs
not just in america but around the world
that contribute to the larger program
then
parcel soldiers out of those programs to
something called project mannequin
project mannequin is a larger global
program
which takes all these super soldier
programs from everybody else and then
assigns them either back to military
programs on the ground where super
soldiers are either trained or used or
then onward to the outer programs of the
edf which anything that is off world out
of the off planet is definitely edf
territory and so you either kind of get
parcel back into a terrestrial unit or
you get sent off world and then once you
get sent parcel to the edf block the edf
then parcels out its soldiers to radiant
guardian and to the other solar stations
and any of the other planetary bases
that they have i'm not privy to every
planetary moon base that they have but
they parcel with them to all of those
and some to mars and like mars the mars
colony corporation is what runs the mars
colonies and they contract the mdf
which is its own private military
contracting agency so
nobody in the mdf is not from the edf
but again like i said the edf because of
this whole paperwork thing is no longer
you know in charge of everybody at the
mcc or the mdf so there's all this
separation and i can't tell you what
other corporations involve other bases
or other colony projects exactly because
i'm not privy to all of that information
but i can only presume really i think
it's only reasonable to presume that the
mars colony is not the only off-world
colony that we have on another planet i
i would think that's really safe to
assume how advanced and how far along
they are whether they got started 20
years ago 10 years ago five years ago
another you know whenever is a whole
nother question but i think it would be
ridiculous
at this stage to think that the only
place we are is earth moon and mars i
think there's absolutely evidence to
suggest that we're on all over the solar
system and beyond already
okay um but you shipped out from earth
at the age of 17 is that right correct
that is correct so on november the 17th
uh 1987 or actually in the morning of so
would have been november the 18th 1987
at 2 30 a.m
uh as pretty parks for the course for an
evening of training a localized wormhole
appears two guys come out and they're
like okay it's time to go and um okay
let's go uh but we didn't just go do
training session it was off to an
underground base to a uh like a hangar
with an aurora trb3 big black triangular
vehicle
i think i think they're actually
manufactured by boeing actually uh and
that they're sold out to the air force
and whoever else uses them and they're
still kind of a standard
terrestrial shuttle uh vehicle they're
not the most advanced thing at all but
you know they do the job and you don't
necessarily want to give way more
advanced technology that you know people
if they catch one or get one or take one
apart or something
um so yeah um so we were taken there and
then from that vehicle that ship were
taken off world to to the moon to luna
operations command on the dark side of
the moon
uh where we then went through a
processing process and
sat down in front of a junior officer an
edf officer and explained here's this
big contract you're going away for a
20-year tour you don't know where you're
going to go yet i can't tell you that we
don't know it's in this package
classified but you got an initial here
initial here sign here this is what's
going to happen then we'll bring you
back and we'll you know erase your
memories for security reasons but you
don't remember all that crazy stuff
anyway
and then we'll send you back and you'll
have a really cool job and that's a lie
but you know they keep this kind of song
and dances like recruiters do uh and
then after you initial initial initial
sign there's you know another medical
exam i think and then there's a waiting
period and then we got on this much
larger uh vehicle which
the scale is so large it's always hard
for me even when i have a really clear
memory of it to really like
scale the height and the width but i
think it had to be at least six seven
hundred eight hundred feet wide
and
you know
four or five
six stories more tall like you know six
seven story building maybe with uh you
know windowed cockpit up maybe where
about the fifth floor would be about two
thirds or so of the way up or something
like that it had kind of a roundish
shape
but then it kind of had like this
tapered wings but you know it's not an
aeronautical vehicle so i'm not sure
exactly what the purpose of the wings
except there may be extra fuselage for
whatever
you know you want to stick inside your
vehicle there uh and then the back kind
of came to a teardrop
point and the front like i said kind of
rounded the whole thing with sort of
chrome reflective shiny
uh surface
which uh i will point out in case
anybody else has never pointed this out
in space is great stealth technology
because when you are reflecting and you
look like black starry space you know
you're harder to see than if you're a
white you know glowing vehicle or if
you're even if you're a black vehicle
you're actually harder to see if you're
that shiny reflective
uh
sort of surface than you are if you're
any other kind of surface or shape turns
out
so um we got on that thing and it had
multiple floors levels you know that
must have been
at least 2500 3500 personnel that they
could transport on that thing uh and we
took on
launched out of this huge hangar
underneath the surface of the moon on
the back side
and then the pilot took us around so we
could take a little bit of a close-up
view of earth so get was one last look
and then the whole ceiling sort of
became this view screen like a giant
window that you're looking at laying
back in this lounge is pretty pretty
awesome experience and i don't mean i
mean in the actual sense of this huge
giant window that you're looking right
out into space and earth and it's pretty
close up way i mean enough that you can
see
clouds and the electrical storms and you
know the movement of what's happening
and it was you can see that it's this
very alive thing
uh and
so you're saying there are clouds and
electrical storms on on on the moon
oh no i'm talking about on earth when we
came back for our last look at earth and
and we're close enough to to see the
atmosphere and see the electrical storms
there's a living thing
yeah it was a pretty stunning pretty
stunning visual okay so there was kind
of like a jump there because i guess uh
so you're you jump to going back from
earth to the moon and you you said you
were based on the moon and you did some
training there
no no no i was not really based on the
moon uh temporarily
i mean you said first you said you went
to the dark side of the moon
correct correct okay so yeah on when i
was 17 years old when i was basically
being sent out the first thing we did
was arrive at luna operations command
via aurora trv3 and then we got on this
much larger transport craft which again
i don't know what class or what it would
be called it was just you know
multi-story 800 feet wide reflective
shiny chromed out
and from there you went back to earth
well we the pilot took off from the back
side of the moon and then took us in
closer to earth to get a one last look
which from the moon would kind of be a
little appear a little far away he
wanted to get a nice close look so we
had this
huge image of you know the earth right
in front of us and our full sort of
scope of our view so i mean he took in
back into like you know
less than 200 000 miles or something
like 10 000 feet or something really
close and you traveled this and how and
how much time was passing during this
time uh i mean it's it was a matter of
minutes it seemed like i mean maybe
it was a 15-20 minute you know
ride from the moon to the back to the
sort of looking at earth and then once
we left earth it was maybe a 15-20
minute ride to mars because then we went
via wormhole so then the vehicle
however the wormholes are manifested
went through one and then we came out of
mars and then he says uh welcome to mars
we've arrived at our location and
brought us down to the ground and landed
at aries premise
okay
okay and then this was your base for uh
if i recall is that 17 years or is that
um because i know you had three years
what appeared to be the so some kind of
i think it might have been solar warden
uh correct me if i am wrong we call it
solar warden um i'm not sure what you
call it it was radiant guardian when i
was a part of that program but it's
changed you know number of times and
it's all it's been that something
similar to that in essence became a
pilot though uh for three three years
right
about you whatever was the remainder of
my 20-year tour you know however that
works out exactly it was 17 years three
months 14 days and ish you know uh 14 15
days depending on how you want to count
i guess so um and then
the pilot training school interestingly
enough that was supposedly sort of out
of the normal that was another quantum
dilation they kind of in order to get
more time out of us they were like we're
not going to waste time on your tour
with your pilot training so we're going
to take you to the you know this lunar
base to do your pilot training and then
we're going to bring you back you know
15 minutes after you leave so you don't
lose any any actual service time so i'm
like okay great that's fine okay so
there's there's time travel in essence
involved in when you move from one place
to another right uh if they want there
to be yeah i mean if they want to say if
essentially if they want to save time
you know they can do something out of
time so that instead of it taking days
weeks or months it takes you know five
minutes or 15 minutes there there are
some interesting ways to play with time
like that i'm not a really good at
temporal mechanics i don't think i'm
good at explaining it but uh the time
guys really understand their business
and certainly know how to move things
around without crashing the whole
technical matrix of the universe
okay which is more stable than
apparently we all think too as far as we
think about you could end all time right
now you can't really just end all time
with a temporal accident you can cause
localized temporal phenomenon rips and
tears and things like that but the
temporal fabric of the universe is
actually really strong and really stable
okay
but but in essence you were based then
on mars and you were there uh
explain to people that you know are
gonna be relatively new to the subject
what your job was on mars
right well uh essentially i was assigned
to the mars defense force i said at that
point from the earth defense force which
was a
military private military company that
has contracted to the mars colony
corporation or the mcc to defend the
mars colonies so we essentially were one
of many stations who create a buffer
zone around the territory which the
colonies are located so as to try and
keep any of the local
both hostile animal life and possibly
hostile sentient life uh you know out of
that territory and i can only sort of
answer for you know what was taking
place in in our area which you know for
some time i sort of presumed was the
whole thing happening all over but the
more information i get from other people
the more i realized oh no i was just at
the sort of the northern arctic front so
you know it's sort of this very specific
area with some very specific things that
were going on there that were not
necessarily what were happening
everywhere else but there are certainly
still interesting crossovers and
interesting validations when talking to
other people and eventually there will
be a lot more people talking about this
i know a bunch of them and they're not
ready to come forward right now but you
know i'm talking to these people on a
regular basis and i know people who are
talking to people on a regular basis who
you know are all talking about their
mars experiences and their mars service
and we're all collecting data on that
and correlating the data and
cross-referencing things and people and
so uh yeah it's not just me i mean i'm
maybe the one talking right now but
there's a whole bunch of people right
behind me who were all chatting about it
and talking about it and trying to come
to a better understanding of what we
know about what happened in our not just
our individual place in it but how that
creates a bigger picture for us to
understand and enable us to present and
uh present that bigger picture to people
too so a lot of them feel really
compelled when they hear me talk to say
oh i know something you should know and
be able to help tell people and so i i'm
really appreciative that they
uh feel like when they hear that i'm
talking about it that they can at least
say something to me and i can relate
that if i they will check on it and
correlate that information and pass it
on so that i can have a bigger picture
so uh but essentially for 17 years three
months you know 14 days i spin up uh
forward station zebra which is pretty
far north towards the sort of
you know we'll be kind of northern
canada so we used to get some pretty
cold weather up there and it would
occasionally snow which is a pretty
surreal experience martian snow snow
falls slower because the gravitational
coefficient is less so if you think
watching snow here is this kind of cool
quiet experience because when i was all
nice and fluffy and slow on mars it's
really amazing because it's coming down
in slow
slow motion and it's this very very
very quiet slow surreal experience if
nothing else is going on to distract you
from it anyway the first time that i was
there and it snowed it was this very
very strange experience very surreal we
were always kind of like
you're talking about being on surface of
mars are you talking about the mars that
we we see and we think we know in this
dimension are you talking about a fourth
dimensional mars oh no i'm absolutely
talking about the physical planet of
mars that we know and understand to be
right now in which our rover and probe
is on right now now we're absolutely
talking about the same place uh so some
important things to note about it it's
not exactly the way nasa tells us nasa
tells us that doesn't have a breathable
oxygen atmosphere that's not true it
does
now it's not super breathable in the
sense that this is more like thin
mountain air for us so it's really not
recommended uh outside the equatorial
regions to try and like survive without
an environment suit the equatorial
regions can be a bit warmer and a bit
more mild and temperate uh so it's not
the worst thing in the world apparently
to just be sort of exposed in street
clothing so to speak but you get any of
the directions for the farther north or
south and you're going to get way more
extreme temperatures and winds and so
forth and you're going to need some
protection uh but it's but again it it
is and you're going to need some oxygen
assistance and some breathing assistance
if you're going to do any physical
moving or fighting that's for sure so we
never went outside without an
environment suit without a powered
environment suit that was body armor and
you know everything else that we needed
all in one package
um okay um but did you have structures
that you occupied
on the surface or was it all underground
we were inside of a mountain and pretty
much everything as i understand is
underground i mean there may be some
facilities which operate on the surface
or do things on the surface but really
99 of everything that you want to stay
functioning has got to be underground it
is still susceptible to some pretty
intense wind storms uh you know you know
still 150 mile an hour 200 mile an hour
windstorm uh could really ruin your day
no matter what you are above ground what
about meteor showers is there a problem
with that
um you know you're kind of close to the
asteroid belt there so
there are a good number you know of
meteor showers but i wouldn't say that a
lot of them touch down like here there's
an atmosphere and most of them just burn
up so you know it's not uncommon you
know just in a night sky to see lots of
shooting stars but i don't recall ever
seeing like a meteorite or an asteroid
hit when i was there okay and and
there's active defense systems against
that as well i should point out that
mars also has active defense systems
against that sort of thing so well what
about a shield uh you know in other
words uh
sort of a a shield actually uh i don't
know if you'd acknowledge this but but
from what i understand we have a shield
here over some um some portions of the
of the earth even at this time um it may
be made of a certain um
even even i mean i don't understand
necessarily the the technology they're
using but it first of all will tell them
if there's any incoming craft and and
light it up sort of like a candle but at
the same time it also is apparently some
kind of a shield that that resists uh
you know um penetration
did you detect anything like that on
mars
i don't know anything about that level
of technology specifically i can say
that i do know that a number of field
experiments are being done on our planet
mars other planetary bodies that we
bodies that we occupy excuse me uh where
you may want to do any kind of field
development to have any kind of just
cloaking devices
and other kind of shield protecting
devices sensors anything that's going to
let you know when someone's coming in
things are going to protect you or
things that are going to keep you hidden
uh pretty much and the moon certainly
has a cloaking device around it mars
certainly has a cloaking device around
it we certainly have a cloaking device
around us to keep things you know at a
certain distance away
uh from being able to see or detect this
and it's supposed to mute you know all
those radio waves that are bouncing out
from the planet would let everybody know
where we are we're supposed to be muting
you know that so we're not sending out
signals to the entire galaxy on where
you are oh guess surprise what why when
we're listening for radio signals why we
don't hear them from everybody is
because you know everybody else who's
smart is also muffling their signal so
that they're not on the map to everybody
in the world that just turns out to be a
technology like
be quiet and so we go out there
listening thinking that everyone's being
loud and noisy when everyone's being
stealthy and quiet because they don't
want us listening in on their
conversations and knowing what they're
doing and where they are that's just
kind of more standard practice than it
turns out to be now
right okay so when you were deployed on
on mars you were in essence uh
based on your story which i've listened
extensively to uh
basically encountering from what i
understand um
reptilian species and and and basically
what would sound like what mark richards
uh captain mark richards of the secret
space program who i've interviewed would
say are called troggs
uh that's what his his experience is
with them you called them i think
insecticides
yeah there were certainly an
insect-based species that had the
ability to engineer you know other
hive insects as you know sort of to do
their
their basic their way of building
machines is genetically engineering
another bug or another you know insect
that will do that job and so they have
this very organic
uh way of doing this very incredibly
advanced organic science it's really
really advanced organic science i'll
just call it that
so your your battle though was to in a
sense there seemed like there was uh
small battles skirmishes that you were
uh defending the the base that we have
just like here in you know if united
states and russia get into an issue
maybe over in afghanistan they're having
a skirmish there so you were you're
fighting over territory is that correct
constantly uh and i it's i think it's
important to note and point out because
i i keep hearing people presume what
that conflict was about or what we were
fighting over and so i'm feeling more
and more that i need to be really clear
about why we were fighting and what we
were fighting for
um it was not for supremacy of the
planet it was not for a total global war
of the planet until the draconians
attacked and got involved which i
haven't gotten in to be able to talk
tons about like you know this lengthy
war and what the stages were but you
know we were having what i would call
polite civilized conflict really with
the native reptoids and the native
insectoids and that's really i mean a
hard thing to say when you're still like
you know killing and stabbing and
blowing each other up but it was way
more polite and civilized until the
draconians came along and really kind of
messed up what was a
an organic system of territorial
uh boundary keeping that was not meant
to overrun somebody else's hive or
territory but simply to maintain that
everyone had a certain weakness
uh to them and no one could grow over
strong
so that everyone could maintain a
peaceable territory without anyone
actually trying to become too powerful
so the whole point of having conflict
for these folk was to engage in a way in
which kept any one person from becoming
too powerful and then overwhelming the
other so it was a constant back and
forth that was meant to maintain and
stabilize the territory and the peace
arrangement believe it or not i know
this may sound very strange to some
people as a way of doing things but we
inserted ourselves into that system that
was already happening between these
other two species uh and engaged
ourselves in the same way and started
having these same sort of territorial
localized conflicts with them which
essentially is now i understand really
was for the you know the mds the private
corporation their military contracting
corporation they got to test that
equipment they got to make that see if
that equipment works they loved a
scenario that was non-stop you know war
where they could just keep testing
equipment testing equipment testing
equipment in a perpetual situation where
they didn't have to worry about someone
dropping bombs on them the size you know
of texas in order to completely wipe
them off the planet or any other type of
genocidal attack because that wasn't you
know on the strategy map for these
people so you could really engage in
this whole other kind of regular combat
in warfare and keep testing your
equipment and testing your technology
and perfecting it um in a way that made
really a lot of sense to me for a
military corporation you know who'd want
to do that so that was essentially what
we were doing uh and we engaged with
them on a very regular basis until the
draconians attacked and then that war
raged and then there was peace
agreements and now supposedly we're not
fighting anymore so but since i haven't
been back there i couldn't tell you that
for sure okay well but i want to slow
you down here because there's obviously
areas to delve into
um and and so we don't get too far ahead
of ourselves um
what i wanted to ask you first of all in
terms of territory are we talking about
having mars be divided up territorial so
that there are um what you may say is
demilitarized zones in between
territories where um all you know sort
of all bets are off or there is no
fighting going on sort of a no-fly zone
sort of thing or is it boundary to
boundary the way we are here on earth
where you know russia is right up
against you know a country like ukraine
that may or may not be friendly in other
words since there's only three you at
least are indicating only three major
powers on mars um not sure if that's
completely accurate but
go with it for an i'll go with it for
the moment and then want it to drill
down a little further and we can do that
in a minute but
bottom line is my question is how are
those territories set up and are they
clearly
demarcated
that's a very good question and i can
only sort of answer that question
because
we're very specifically isolated in the
territory of north that we were isolated
in and we were not really allowed to
visit the colonies i've never been to
them i've never seen them i don't even
know what they exactly look like
the colonies what colonies of who
the mars colony corporation colonies
which apparently they have five colonies
the mars colony corporation is a
consortium of you know earth-based
banking money people
technological corporations states uh
governments and so forth we're all
participating uh in order to be part of
the mars colony corporation and to be
part of the colonies and to be part of
that genome project and the sort of you
know
future of whole civilization project as
they like to think of themselves and
call themselves uh in order to preserve
humanity et cetera et cetera so um so
you're not you were not in essence you
were guarding the colonies but you
weren't we're not based in the colonies
correct i have never seen the colonies
never even been close enough to them to
tell you whether they're domed
underground or what they look like at
all
i mean is is that even possible if
you're fighting against uh
i mean was there because my
understanding i you know and i know
there was this huge battle at the end
that actually you know
impacted you it appears in a in a very
deep way and then you actually got
reassigned to to the moon but prior to
that um you're saying you weren't in the
colonies you didn't go there is it
possible that that's an area of your of
your your brain
you know with all due respect that's
been uh erased that memory uh i it could
be repressed memories that i haven't
extracted but i find that unlikely at
this point since i feel that i've done a
pretty solid extraction of pretty much
everything like all the chunks that
would be a chunk here a chunk there a
chunk there and so that would be a
missing chunk that i'm
uh it's unlikely that i i haven't found
that um
i can tell you that
we were at ford station zebra was the
most forward north station and so we had
other military stations behind us and
that was the back line frontline was
north was in front of us so
way behind us is what i'm saying they
were way behind us so and we were the
most forward operating stations so and i
pretty much never left that station
other than to go fight something and
then come back for seven okay but when
you went to go fight something as you
call it uh did you had to go further
north you didn't go south
no no because all of our other military
bases were backing us behind us and
whatever happened behind us they were
dealing with unless they needed our help
and we would get called to something
that was immediately behind us but there
were several layers of military stations
behind us between us
what was sort of the front wildlands in
front of us and the colonies way behind
us so you have many layers of military
bases between us and the colonies and we
were the most forward operating stations
so yeah i mean okay so are we are we
talking i mean i'm trying to look at the
layout of the moon are we talking about
the human civilization for lack of a
better terminology mars mars base
whatever you want to call that uh
are you saying you're saying in essence
they were south you were north uh the
planet is round so at some point you
know you're talking about if you advance
far enough you're going to end up
finding this human civilization so we
have to assume that there are
i mean you must have had some kind of
maps
of where these uh where your you know
adversaries were what areas they
occupied which where where you could go
where you couldn't go what you would be
called what they would consider an
invasion by you
yeah no no we had a sector map of
everything that we were responsible for
uh and so that was territory that was
familiar to us and mark to us but if it
was outside of our uh our grid then that
was really not our area it was somebody
else's responsibility it was it's very
very very compartmentalized very very
very compartmentalized okay would would
the someone else be be trained exactly
like you and have the same capabilities
um it's possible sure yeah but you don't
know that for a fact
um
i mean no i don't know exactly what was
made into me to be unique or
what was made to me to be like other
people in project moon shadow or other
super soldiers exactly so uh all i can
say is i was made like me and 299 other
people were made in a similar fashion
but beyond that i don't really know so
based in in this uh this zebra base part
was how many uh super soldiers
um it would have been let's see we had a
division of
256 and a sister division of another 256
so yeah just about just over 500 of us
one in one mountain forward station
zebra
okay and just to jump ahead to that sort
of um
you know and please uh you know
understand that you know i'm just trying
to get the lay of the land here from
what the other interviews i've heard you
do and i'm not trying to
question your your honesty what i'm
trying to do is get a picture in my mind
so that i can sear my questions uh you
know using that picture in mind and also
for the for the sake of the listeners
because i did notice in all the
interviews i've i've heard you do that
you know i'm a little unusual in the
sense that i'm more of a person that
wants to drill down that wants to
clarify and get things clear and then
move on to the next thing so
um i just wanted to say that i don't
want to um
upset you okay oh no no no i really
appreciate that i often find that people
are moving awful quick and we have to
move through really quick given the time
frame that we're dealing with and
they're trying to get a lot of story all
at once and i often feel rushed when
people are asking me two and three and
four part questions and by the time i've
gotten halfway through the question i'm
like what was the other part of the
question you were asking me so no no i
totally appreciate you getting as
detail-oriented as you want don't even
worry about it just keep asking the
questions until you feel like you've
clarified and understand and i'll keep
answering them to the best of my ability
okay because i remember that you related
this very dramatic i mean really should
be a movie uh maybe it will be
i assume that that but it's certainly
being offered that you're going to get
even as a result of you going to be
filmed by hanger one but at any rate um
you know
what happens here is you have this very
dramatic ending sort of crescendo battle
um which is it was uh where you were
sent in to get something to trespass on
on
on on a the other's land base
um and i can't remember whether it was
the insectoids or the reptilians i'm
assuming it was the reptilians it's the
reptoids correct yeah um and you were
told to get something there and that
just became a debacle but basically if i
recall the numbers that were killed
there were in close to a thousand so
what you've said
our sister vision and two other
divisions that were uh from forward
station echo uh that were all joined us
okay and forward station echo would that
be behind you still or would it be it
would
it would have been behind us and to the
right and so for whatever reason that
they could be spared to bring up to
bring forward for this particular
mission that was why they were brought
forward to all the way up front so they
were a bit back into the right
and when you realized you were fighting
side by side
with them was this the first time that
you found yourselves encountering uh
other soldiers from forward station echo
had you fought with them side by side in
other
skirmishes in the past or not um
the
no we had actually
we had seen them a couple of times
before i mean at least a couple of times
before there were certainly skirmishes
over that 17-year period and where many
divisions from many of the stations had
to be called and and there were massive
massive massive uh conflicts in which
thousands of soldiers were involved
in some cases even when we were using
the clones for infantry
uh tens of thousands of soldiers that
were being used and employed there were
there were some
in the peak of that conflict there were
some huge huge huge massive conflicts in
which most of the entire forest was
called to one location uh so we'd we'd
seen them a few times so you know it
wasn't like what wasn't like we knew
them every day you know but you know
yeah but in terms of the capabilities as
fighters alongside you were their
capabilities the same completely
different or and and in terms of their
equipment and their their uh you know
the way they dressed etc etc were they
different were they larger were they
equipped completely differently in some
cases are you able and liberty to
describe the differences
um
sure and no there weren't any across the
mdf there was a standard issue body
armor standard issue weapon and all the
super soldiers seem to be about the same
height and size as far as you know
no one was really over you know six foot
four or six foot five i mean that was
kind of about the biggest dude you get
but we had people you know that were
five foot five two but you could pack a
lot of punch in five foot five believe
it or not sometimes so there there were
super soldiers don't necessarily have to
be tall right um but you know we had you
know sort of that sort i would say a
wing between sort of five five and six
five so my football players um yeah yeah
sure you know oh well how tall are you
uh six foot even
okay from the middle area all right and
and and what about the notion and and
i'm i am jumping around a bit because i
am going to be uh using this to to be
sort of a bouncing off point for people
again to have listened to other
interviews to come here and start seeing
a sort of a different um maybe a bit
more dynamic discussion with uh that
allows for accepting the basics that
you've already said and then moving on
from there as i mentioned
so when i'm great i appreciate that
thanks okay so so what i would have
wanted to know is is you know my
understanding we've got uh
whistleblowers out there such as clark
mcclelland who talked about uh nine foot
tall anunnaki in essence uh suited up
that we're dealing on a space station
with our astronauts and that he was
watching this on close circuit tv during
the apollo uh you know some of the
apollo uh you know
things that they were trying to do um i
hesitate to call them apollo landings
right because i think there's some some
misconceptions there but
but in essence and so that yeah there
were these
yeah okay and and and so you have some
of them were landing for sure okay
fair enough and
and we could talk about that in a minute
uh as well if if we can get a chance to
go back there but at the moment just
just for the sake of argument did you
have commanders that were in essence
nordic's anunnaki or any very tall
beings humanoid or otherwise that were
instructing you
on mars
no uh not on mars at all um and
when i was in the edf and i was a pilot
i would have to say
i couldn't answer that question because
the command sections of the nautilus
word not open to the pilot so i don't
know who was all on the command on the
bridge and so we may have had et's
scientists or technicians or soldiers
helping us on the bridge that i would
have never seen uh if that was a secure
that was considered something that
needed to be compartmentalized i mean
the the pilot you know section in the
the air wing section was in the middle
of the ship and the command section was
in the front and the engineering was in
the back and
engineers didn't come up into the
piloting section and pilots didn't go
back to the engineering section and
pilots didn't go up to the command
section and you know the command section
would come back you know wherever they
needed to whenever they needed to but it
was interesting again that
compartmentalization was really really
very very thick and solid you were just
not allowed past the doors into
engineering or past okay so that's to do
with uh basically the solar warden uh
and i forget the designation that you
called it um project radiant guardian
okay fair enough uh
but but to get back to mars and the
people that were commanding you in
essence or even the people that happen
to be inhabiting the uh
the bases that were supposed to be
occupied by humanoids of some kind
your understanding is that they were
traditional humans as you understand
them to be
every single person in my chain of
command or in the mdf that i ever dealt
with was a terrestrial human to the best
of my knowledge or appeared to be one um
sometimes there was a period of time in
about the first three months that i was
there
when we were getting a weird allotment
of super soldiers and different clone
soldier programs and some kind of a
weird hodgepodge that our uh ceo kind of
you know put the hammer down after about
three months of just getting crappy
crappy numbers and said look i'm tired
you sending me all this refuse up to the
front line either got to send me
consistent you know what i want or we're
just not going to do this anyway and
things really change from that point out
but so i can say kind of in that first
three months there were a few of the
super soldiers that were sent to us
that looked really odd like they were
definitely mixed with some very weird et
dna and had very strange sort of social
behaviors that made me
think that they were not completely uh
human but they weren't necessarily
et's i can definitely tell you that that
they were you know things that were
being genetically engineered or made in
the super soldier programs and then
being sent to us
um that i know that for sure but they
probably definitely had some mix of some
weird dna in them for sure okay but i'm
actually a little bit more interested uh
at this moment in the command structure
right and the ones that you experienced
yeah and on the in the mdf everybody in
the command structure was terrestrial
human that i ever had contact with that
i ever saw that doesn't mean that there
weren't anybody outside of our base or
location that was doing it that was
otherwise but my experience was never
ever
as a soldier in the mdf on the ground
that i ever experienced anybody in my
chain of command or anybody in the mdf
or part of the mcc who did not appear to
be a terrestrial human
okay and and
that's interesting to me because uh
there is some some conflict there with
some other testimony i've gotten in the
past
um i'm wondering if again like i this is
very specific to the location where i
was at because i really wasn't anywhere
else so anything that was happening back
in the intelligence offices back at the
mcc could be totally different and i
would not know anything about well you
were you became an officer though right
uh at the end after i when i got my
promotion at the end of my career at the
mdf uh
yes i got to go to flight school and was
made an officer at that point but i was
just a sergeant major at that point
still i finished my career at the mdf as
a sergeant major okay and and when you
were a sergeant major were you uh did
you go to meetings where you would see a
lot of other officers for example
um
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no when i was a sergeant major i mean
there were more meetings that i got to
go on the command
staff meetings and so forth but you know
we were still just all terrestrial
humans that i recognized or experienced
people to be who were from backer back
home on earth somewhere a lot of people
often talked about you know where they
were from back home or such and such
you're all back in iowa it was like this
or you know so you definitely got a feel
for that everyone was from back home
okay and again that may have been just
very specific to what they wanted you
know that allotment of personnel to be
at that location so
um hard to say right but that was that
was my experience but you were based in
this particular location am i right for
is it 17 years in one place correct yeah
forward station zebra was my home for 17
years three months 14 days okay and when
you were walking around the halls were
you were you're you know was it such
that you did not see a lot of different
um say officers and different you know
levels of of men going back and forth
and you know um in other words again
because even if i ask a person like say
here on earth have you you know did you
experience you work for let's say
lockheed martin and did you see any
particularly tall individuals walking by
from time to time uh the person might
have to respond if they actually did see
um you know because in our culture right
we have a sort of a
a seven foot tall person would be pretty
tall uh by far our standards right for
sure and and certainly one would comment
and maybe even remember that uh if you
saw somebody higher than you know a
taller than seven foot you certainly
would notice that so basically you're
saying you didn't see anyone uh like
that is that correct
when i was stationed at four forward
station zebra for that time that is
correct i didn't see anything out of the
ordinary anyone out of the ordinary
while i was stationed there and but but
there were times it now correct me if
i'm wrong here because i would listen to
you know to the interviews and you were
saying that on a certain level you did
start sort of delving in
and researching a bit into
what was going on is that right you
started seeing files or things
um you know i took opportunities that
presented themselves to me to
look at the ebe manuals when i was in
medical uh on the nautilus because it
was something manual it was a three-ring
binder that was usually close by
and if you know somebody had me sitting
there for a while i could reach over and
start flipping through the manual and
then when one of the technicians or the
doctors would come back to go hey you're
not supposed to look at that and i go
sorry put it back but you know anytime i
could sit there and flip through it i
would try because it was incredibly
fascinating subject to me
um
and
but
information was really hard to get
what i
what i can say is that when i was um
on the nautilus and part of project
radiant guardian i was one of the only
officers on the entire ship that had
infantry training and had hand-to-hand
training so when um officers from the
nautilus were and sometimes were
diplomatic personnel coming from earth
or coming from elsewhere in the edf
system were coming to the nautilus and
they would go on these diplomatic
missions to the intergalactic space
station around jupiter i would get to go
and so i did get to spend a number of
visits there in the large round room
which is essentially this just huge
round room that's
you know got to be like a hundred more
than 100 meters you know wide or
something like that but these giant
windows looking out to jupiter in one
side and space on the other uh that's
just sort of a a diplomatic free meeting
place for a lot of different folks and
species who come and they're hanging out
in the area a lot of our personnel who
are meeting different people there for
different reasons and so nothing ever
went wrong or went squirrely but they
always wanted to have someone with
hand-to-hand and infantry experience in
case something went weird in a weird
diplomatic situation or negotiation but
everyone was always really respectful of
the rules of intergalactic you know no
fighting zones okay so in that setting
because in that setting did you come
across uh i mean you must have come
across varying dis species beyond what
you had encountered on oh yeah
oh yeah for sure for sure i mean a
number uh
sometimes it would be like
mind-bendingly like i would like i'm
looking at too many different
extraterrestrials in one room and my
brain really could just not absorb you
know 10 different species all at once
and sometimes i would have to like stare
down at the table for a minute because i
was getting a headache literally getting
like a physical headache or would have
to stare at one species and try and like
absorb all the pieces that i could but
for some reason really i mean if there
was just too much too many different
species in one room and i'm trying to
assess you know eight different heads
and craniums and body types and arms and
joints and so forth it just really
played this crazy trick on my brain and
it would just hurt my freaking head and
i couldn't do it so
um but it was it was very interesting
and i'll have to say that even with a
pretty good photographic memory and i
try and think about some of those images
my brain was trying to take some of it
was just so much information that was so
different than anything that i'd ever
seen or was used to before that a lot of
my brain in some ways was just going
what
i mean it was just really doing a double
take but i think any i think it's just a
natural organic process for your brain
to do that i don't think it says
anything really for or against me as a
person just having a moment of my brain
having to check itself and you know
going up too much data too much input we
cannot compute all of this at once yeah
no that makes perfect sense uh but to
get back to mars and to your battles on
mars before we kind of go
that far ahead um
but thank you very much for for going
over there uh
if if you were a fighting uh person and
and you you that was your main task on
on the the zebra station then you're
going out and you're pretty much not
going south you're going north and
possibly
not east or west or maybe east well i
mean you know the grid that we cover you
know is kind of a squared shape you know
but it's got some odd grids you know
outside of that square it's kind of an
odd you know squarish map with some
grids outside of the sort of the main
square of grids uh and that was what we
were responsible for and
anything that was happening in that
territory that we had to respond to we
were responsible for and all of the
bases
that belonged to uh the reptoids or the
insectoids that existed within that area
were ours to be responsible to either
watch out for and or assault if it was
time to you know go on a raid
okay but but in terms of attacks from
those bases to you or to your base
um
in other words that was kind of your
motion and and so in a sense you weren't
i mean correct me if i'm wrong but in a
sense you weren't really protecting the
human bases if you were so far away as
you seem to have described you seem to
have been on the outer criminal
perimeter right the last line of
resistance is that correct
uh the front line correct yeah the
northernmost front line correct all
right so
when there were skirmishes
what were they caused by were they
caused by their infractions in you know
and uh can you describe one in
particular or was it you're in for our
infractions or the humans in fact you
know going out and and starting a raid
as you call it any and all of the above
depend on the day
some days it was very quiet and some
days
you would get a surprise visit and other
days you know they would come marching
off from a long way away and you
wouldn't see them coming and other times
it would be a it would be a large enough
number of them that we couldn't send out
forces to meet them at once and we'd
have to wait for them to come and attack
us and then you know we have this whole
scenario where we're prepared to sort of
be invaded and
uh have the base overrun but it's just
basically designed to be overrun i
haven't gotten into a lot of explanation
about that just because it's actually
just pretty gory and pretty horrendous
to try and explain what happens once
they get inside the base it's really
just turn it's just a mess it's the base
is designed to protect itself and have
us be able to protect it as well and
it's it's designed to be overrun and to
act as a giant trap essentially so
uh i won't get into a lot of it okay but
the real description of it was a very
ugly process the reptoids uh the
reptoids were they um
how tall were they in average
oh they averaged you know betw anywhere
from six and a half to sort of seven and
a half eight feet tall
uh broad shouldered
because the gravitational coefficient is
different on mars i couldn't tell you
how much they weighed but if they were
on earth i'd say they weighed anywhere
from 450 to 500 pounds a piece they're
big they're really big and are they uh
are they cross between humanoid
reptilian are they standing on their
hind legs and uh uh you know is their
body shape a humanoid shape being
reptoid at the same time or are they
literally looking uh reptilian
with a tail in the whole nine yards um
you know it's interesting
they've certainly evolved from a pure
you know reptile species whether you
know some type of similar
dinosaur type species or something
uh that evolved over time so that it's
bipedal two-handed locomotion
um yeah some of them definitely had
tails you know and some of them
definitely had tails that were a bit
longer than the other but i wouldn't say
that any of them had a tail that was
over you know
a meter and a half or something like
that they were
more used certainly for balance but you
know they could turn and hit you with it
pretty hard too it was not a a
dead appendage of any kind of useless
appendage but
they weren't necessarily long you know
flippy tails like maybe they used to
have or something so they definitely
evolved out of that their faces
uh you know i would say maybe they had
been longer or snouty at one point but
they had certainly shortened up a bit
they had pretty sharp teeth
um
so but what about uh what about a
humanoid reptilian um species did you
encounter those
i would not say that these appear to be
a blend of a reptoid species in a
million species and i don't think i ever
encountered a reptoid
million species cross
okay uh so so you would say that the the
reptoids
prior to the draco's arriving were
one species of reptoid
correct that was our experience correct
okay and then as far as the insectoid
beings they look like a combination at
least i heard i think you say of a
praying mantis and an ant is that
correct
yeah i mean they were
you know sort of
five five and a half feet tall um and
you know six appendages sort of two top
two bottom and two in the middle that
could sort of function as arms or legs
uh so they could kind of stand up on two
and you know sort of have four arms or
you know sort of scurry on four legs and
use two arms if they wanted to uh they
were
and they essentially had the ability to
get into very organic science the
ability to engineer all these other
insects that you know they used to
mostly to do a lot of the fighting for
them they didn't do tons of the fighting
themselves most of the fighting they had
other insects that they engineered to do
for them
um so most of what we fought weren't the
intelligent sort of
insectoid species but more of you know
the things they built for us to fight
with but we did certainly get when we
did
stop having sort of fighting with them
and were able to have some conversation
with them they're very intelligent and
very reasonable and insects which means
they have kind of a dispassionate view
of life but a very practical view of
life they don't lie about anything not
to themselves and how are they how are
they talking to you telepathically oh
yeah there's totally they're very
psionic very psyonically developed and
uh so my first conversation with them
was mentally the psionic conversation
okay do they bleed
oh yeah they sure do uh oh yeah they
bleed they come apart like anything else
you can burn them squish and poison them
like any other bug and is that true of
the reptoids
well they bleed too yeah they have two
hearts
so it's a lot harder to kill one of them
uh they have a double circulatory system
kind of a internal organ circulatory
system how do you kill it how to how do
you kill a reptoid on uh if you're just
standard do you have to shoot both of
the hearts do you shoot them in the head
i mean you don't necessarily have to
shoot both hearts but you do have to
cause either a blood pressure loss in
both systems or you have to damage the
spine in order to interrupt central
nervous system or you know hit them in
the head or take them out in the brain
so i mean you have to either go with a
total central nervous system disconnect
or you have to take out blood the blood
pressure in both heart systems and both
surgical choices
okay and what was what was the tools
that you were using to to actually do
that
uh our primary weapon is infantryman was
a magnetically propelled rifle like a
rail gun or a gauss rifle uh but we had
grenades and we had rockets we had some
other you know sort of light weaponry
we had guys with flamethrowers
uh but mostly it was a
magnetically propelled rifle and hand
grenades infrared hand grenades that
target infrared targets and go after
them
okay um and is that the extent of your
equipment
no i mean it wasn't the extent of it
again it was a 17-year process of
you know starting at one point and going
to another in which equipment would
sometimes change and you know protocols
would sometimes change and they would
try and issue a new piece of equipment
and then sometimes after we call that
piece of equipment or change that piece
of equipment the rifle certainly when we
started you know it was like a nine
millimeter 11 millimeter projectile uh
and by the time i finished as a sergeant
major i mean we're up to a 22 millimeter
projectile um so
it changed over time you know have the
helmet changed like four different times
uh you know the body armor the sort of
recovery system change four times which
is sort of if you fall over it has its
own sort of recovery system which sort
of bounces you back up with sort of
these air thrusters that sort of push
lift you back up and then okay are you
familiar with halo
uh like a video game yeah
i know of it i don't play it because
have you ever read the books uh the
hannah books okay well the halo books
and uh actually seem to be a preparation
for uh people young people that might
want to become super soldiers
i've heard people say that and and all
from what i know about it i'll agree
with that yeah okay and and i have uh
read
some of it and i i found that uh they
had they're they're actually suits
or um augmented with an artificial
intelligence did you have a component
like that
um
i mean the system interface you know
with you cerebrally and so you had a
heads up display you know in your helmet
and that was sort of mental interactive
so
uh you did have an interesting
mental interface with the system that
you were working with but
we didn't have an artificial
intelligence uh we didn't have any
anything that was artificial
intelligence when i was in the mdf
nothing at all
we didn't have anything artificial
intelligence when i was in the edf on
the nautilus either so not not that we
had access to it my understanding from
command at usmcss uh there's a reason
for that and that's because artificial
intelligence itself is very dangerous
it's very untrustworthy
and it tends to become self-determining
and power seeking so anytime you want it
to do something you have to really limit
its ability to access any uh power
systems or weapons systems or anything
like that at all or it will and you'll
be sorry
um when did you leave uh
actually let's get that set um what year
did you
return to earth
uh
technically i finished my tour in 2007
but then was returned 15 minutes after i
left on november the morning of november
the 18th 1987 at 2 4 you know 2 45 or 3
o'clock in the morning or whatever it
was okay so technically you were here at
least in this 3d reality in 1987.
oh absolutely and then like i said no
and then
did the mission for 20 years and then
they told this to age reversing thing
which i don't think was really anything
more than putting my consciousness into
a younger clone body which was just more
efficient so i wake up and think i'm
still 17 with repressed memories
oh okay um so
so the body you're occupying now is a
clone
uh probably from the original one yeah
but the original one i mean had been
blown apart 20 billion times and has
been rebuilt you know a bunch of times
too so that there's
my original body wasn't my original for
a long long time because all the parts
had been replaced at least one point or
another
okay but but if that's true for you then
how is it that you that when they lost
the thousand uh you know troops if they
were able to clone them uh take their
consciousness and and move them into
clones why did they lose them at all if
you have have uh you know gotten several
versions of yourself
uh that's a very good question and it's
because the medical technology is
limited so when someone is damaged you
basically have to get their body or a
chunk of their brain essentially enough
of electrical activity and their brain
still functioning uh to be able to get
what we call a retrieval and if you can
retrieve them then that means that
there's enough of a little bit of their
cord connected from their consciousness
to their soul that you can retrieve and
bring back their body as you start to
restore and heal the body but if you
lose that connection uh then they're
unretrievable so if they're dead for too
long if brain activity ceases for too
long or is uh just not able to be
registered altogether then someone is
unretrievable and they're dead so i was
very fortunate to make my career and not
ever be actually dead not everybody was
lucky enough to you know make it some
people would you know be reconstructed
several dozen times before you know they
were unretrievable that 39th or 57th
time and died so
uh that the day the reason is that day
that most of those people were were
killed and destroyed in such a way that
they could not be recovered or retrieved
or bought back and there were maybe 30
some bodies that they were able to
retrieve from that incident out of a
thousand so of those 30 some people that
they were even able to retrieve i don't
know how many of those people lived but
they weren't able to physically retrieve
the bodies or the brains of you know the
other thousand people that died that day
okay now when there were skirmishes
between you and these various these two
races were they also skirmishing against
each other
oh yeah absolutely yeah they certainly
were having skirmishes with each other
as well that had nothing to do with us
and then sometimes
uh had skirmishes with us on either side
and then on rare occasions you might
have you know two groups of meeting in
the middle and the third one decides
they want to come join the party and
then you've got a real interesting
three-way cluster fudge
okay uh
is it
have you stayed i mean i know you you
sort of are out here talking now at the
um sort of under orders even by your
your commanding officer it was it was a
request i was not ordered to it was a
request i i was asked if i wanted to do
this i was asked if i wanted to go
public and asked if i wanted to do it
and i agreed so i i you could say it's
under orders but it wasn't really you
got to do this it was really you know i
was asked if i wanted to and i said yes
so it was a request and we have a good
relationship in that way i don't really
get told to do anything we have a nice
relationship of we think this might be a
good idea we think this might be a good
idea maybe you should think about that
so we're really more interested in
success and goal of the program and not
so much about me having to follow orders
or have this sort of regular chain of
command
thing happening at the moment since it's
not any kind of traditional situation
that we're dealing with and that's what
the britisher tells me anyway okay now
you've called him a brigadier and you
have you named him uh by name i i've
seen some names i don't know if they're
specifically that person
he goes by the name of brigadier general
julian smythe i can tell you that
there's the name that's on his driver's
license when he goes home at night and
there is a name on his you know driver's
license when he goes to work every day
and they're not necessarily the same
thing so when i say that his name is
brigadier general julian smythe that's
how i know him and that's how we know
him at usmcss but that doesn't mean that
that's you know the name on you know his
his cable bill that comes to his house
okay
uh
um okay fair enough are you familiar
with the orion fleet that's built by
humans
no that's a new one on me
okay
uh since you left in in theoretical
terms uh well it sounded like 2007 in
reality but in in 1987 is when you you
think you were uh you know separated in
in real time here back here on earth and
brought back here um that would that
would be a pretty big gap in time so do
you think that you have have remained
up to speed on what the status is on the
moon and mars and with these various in
other words do you know for example that
the reptilians have been completely
subdued or the insectoids have been
subdued or neither one of them or the
skirmishes are still ongoing do you know
that kind of information do you have
ongoing intel or are you completely
detached at this time such that you
don't get any updates
well i can certainly tell you that the
last time that i was on the moon was in
2007 i remember the closing ceremonies
that they had for the returning edf
officers and i can tell you what it
looked like then but you know that was a
good you know seven years ago so since
then i don't know what they've changed
about luna operations command certainly
can't tell you what you know has
happened on mars since uh since you know
a few years before that uh since the
last time i was there now i do get
regular intelligence reports weekly
intelligence briefs from the brigadier
we have conversations on a very regular
basis so i feel like
what i know i have to trust that my
people are telling me the truth on and
there are certain things sure i can use
my own abilities and i can remote view
things and i can you know test things
ionically if i need to you know use
whatever abilities i have to double
triple check but i i still
you know i i'm
also a military officer when i can grab
it with my hand then it's very very real
to me and if i can't pick it up with my
hand and i can't stab it then it has a
certain amount of less solidity to me so
i presume that i'm being told the truth
at the moment because i have no reason
to doubt that i have every reason to
believe that my chain of command and my
superiors want to help this process and
want this process to be successful and
have provided a lot of information to me
that has been honest and truthful and
helpful and uh to other folks as well
uh a lot of the information that they
are providing me on a regular basis with
is people who are contacting me and
talking to me about their own sort of
super soldier military abductee problems
and uh chain of command has been real
helpful in helping me to get to
understand where some of these people's
programs are who their chain of command
are if they need to deal with
that in some cases people need to
understand if they if they do have super
soldier issues or my lab issues uh you
know you can start to try and you know
cooperate or work with your chain of
command if they're conducive to that
because there are a lot of organizations
right now that are kind of trying to use
their super soldiers uh to activate them
to use them for different purposes and i
would say a lot of those purposes are
more positive than negative you'd really
be maybe not but may be surprised on
where the internal machinations of the
internal civil war going right now and i
just really want to point out as far as
i know and i understand we're winning so
i'm not having a sad face at all about
how the illuminati of the new world
order is going to take over because i
don't see that happening at all i see
quite a resistance happening and i see
you know a lot of uh loyalty shifting uh
as you know those in the middle start to
see that there actually is you know like
some strength on the resistance side
that they're starting to shift their
loyalties and also because they're
realizing they're screwed you know
they've they've got no future you know
they've been told yeah you're good you
know be on hook up with us and we'll
take care of you and they're being sold
out like everybody else and they're on
the chopping block like everybody else
so they're starting to see that it's in
their best interest to change their
loyalties so i think we're seeing some
huge shifts there um
but i can't answer every question as far
as what's going on there and i certainly
can't talk publicly about everything i
know about what's going on there but i
will just emphasize that i think we're
winning and they've been helping me help
other people sort stuff out and so i
want anybody who's having issues to
understand there is a very real
possibility that you can get some of
your you know
problems sorted out with your implants
and your programming and other stuff
that you we really haven't been able to
access before and i'm still hoping as i
know andrew beside you is opening that
we're going to be able to get some class
action uh legal action happening and get
some help for people and get some
support and some action taking as well
and this also this may be down the road
but we can hope that as things start to
shift and change that attitudes will
shift and change and congress will shift
and change and the executive will shift
and change and judges will shift and
change
uh and you know we'll start to actually
see some things moving in that better
direction as the apparatus of
machinations of state start to move in a
positive direction okay uh you talked
about the the reptilians and the
insectoid beings
skirmishing you talked about your
skirmishes with them uh in essence out
not battles it appears at times
and my question to you is what are you
guys fighting over
um again nothing more than the
stabilization of territory
so uh essentially we again like we
walked into an environment where the
casual conflict as i like to refer to it
that started out
that we were engaging in before the
draconians got involved
was about maintaining peaceful
territorial guidelines while having sort
of regular
you know skirmishes with your opponent
that
kept them from becoming too strong it
was designed to sort of
you know in a way if you can think of it
like if everyone is in a circle trying
to defend their territory but the way
they defend their territory is to every
once in a while run over to someone in
their sided circle and kick them in the
ankle really really hard so they have to
spend you know a certain amount of time
down on one leg unable to attack anybody
else in the circle because you just
kicked him in the ankle and then you run
back home but you don't want to hit him
in the head and end it because then that
would destabilize the power in the
circle that's kind of what was going on
it was really about all right i'm gonna
kick you in the shin and then i'm gonna
run home but i'm not going to stomp you
out because that would upset the balance
of the circle okay but but it was it was
what they were already engaged in and we
inserted ourselves in that kind of but
are those but are those races the
reptilians and the insectoids are they
spare space faring are they taking off
on spaceships and leaving mars and going
uh doing exploration coming to earth
interacting here etc etc or are they
indigenous and not able to leave
well the indigenous martians uh
certainly have the ability to space
travel and to be space-steering most of
them aren't using it at the moment after
uh the atmosphere sort of exploded and
the planet was sort of sent into the
shovel uh there was a huge sort of roll
back from their very space-faring
advanced technological civilization just
things that were a bit more primitive
but it doesn't mean that they've lost
that ability or that knowledge i think
it means that the few that have that
knowledge information anymore uh well
the ones that really you know had that
information and knowledge after the
planet was mostly destroyed and whoever
was left underground they left uh and
those who stayed were basically like we
screwed up and we need to try and fix
the planet that we've screwed up and
i've been trying to sort of stay close
to home since so they're not really
interested they're very capable of going
elsewhere they're not interested in
going anywhere other than fixing and
healing their planet they are not done
fixing and healing their planet so
they're not interested in going out and
fixing or getting in anyone else's
business until they fix their home which
is you know another thousand years away
or something before they really
terraform the planet back to what it
would be okay well what about the beings
that that that created the face on mars
uh it doesn't sound like either of these
groups uh were responsible for that face
on mars uh is it your understanding that
they were or would you say
do were you told the history and have
you seen the face on mars up close no
i've never seen it up close but my
understanding is that would have been
made by a humanoid species that occupies
space on mars or used to occupy space on
mars i never encountered them but i've
heard other people say that they're
still there so um my understanding is
that the face was a construction that
they made
it was made by by
humanoids that occupy martian space
okay and so
your group was not stationed anywhere
near the face on mars i take it
no we were much farther north okay
and uh in terms of dialoguing with uh
you know if you did from time to time
fight with other groups at that point
there would be also opportunity to gain
more intel for example about where they
were based about what things they saw
and understood about their assignments
um did that kind of dialogue take place
um
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i mean certainly
every time you're engaging them you try
and get as much information from the
encounter as you can and and those
reports are all pretty much sent back up
the chain of command by the
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platoon officers and the
uh
the division officers who send all that
information up the chain of command our
job is fighting men and women is mostly
to just you know fight defend and do
your job on the ground so there wasn't
much past that that we did but i i'm
sure that there and no plenty of other
information that was going back and
forth as far as what the officers were
um gathering and sending back and forth
but we weren't doing any real conversing
with the ets uh much at that point so
uh it was mostly just lots of you know
screaming and fighting okay but you
weren't conversing with the et's but by
the same token it sounds like you
weren't also uh conversing much with
troops that came from other bases
human troops um no not much i mean there
wasn't much opportunity to so most of
the time when you're meeting in one
location it's because you're getting
ready for a fight and then you don't
have much time to but to muster up get
in line and you're still with your
your group you know you're with your
squad and your division and you know
people are next to you and people can
start getting mixed up and crossed over
but you know as far as pieces on the
chess board you know the officers are
trying to keep you know groups organized
and in different positions where they
need to be and you know sometimes when
it's over if it went well you know
there's lots of chest bumps and high
fives and so forth with everybody but
then it's you know you're getting called
back to your bulldog transports and go
back to the base where you're at anyway
so uh not a lot of you know no not a lot
of downtime conversations card playing
or anything like that with anybody
outside our own division
okay but but in in you know humans will
be humans and uh for example in my talks
with uh
mark richards he's in prison right now
but they've got a quite an incredible
sort of um
communication chain you might say that
goes on between the men
and uh and and by the same token you're
in the same base for years on end
there's got to be a thirst for knowledge
even a natural curiosity um to learn
more and to to explore do you think that
uh those sort of natural inclinations
were um programmed out of you
temporarily uh so to speak or do you
think that um you lacked curiosity or do
you think that you're a person that
follows orders you know and prefers to
um
i don't know what do you do for you know
for for freedom of mind so to speak how
would you occupy your mind if you
weren't being curious about uh you know
what was really going on there
oh certainly no i think the
compartmentalization is really the
answer to that question so when we were
on the battlefield we really were just
not having more than seconds if anything
of time you know next to someone who is
not in your own squad or your own
division so there really was just not
the ability timer space to have
conversations with those soldiers out on
the battlefield just no opportunity
period
back at our base now
the um
we did have staff at the base who was
not soldier staff we had sort of the
cooking and kitchen staff that was uh
independently contractors of some kind
who rotated in and out and would change
about every three weeks i'm not sure
exactly where they were all coming from
but they would rotate in and out about
every three weeks uh and the supply
staff uh was another staff that was not
part of the soldiering regular mdf
uh group and were contractors that would
you know cycle in about every three or
four weeks
and the command staff were absolutely
you know members of the military unit
but they certainly occupied their uh
part of the base in the command section
and rarely ever came uh to the barracks
section and we were almost never allowed
in those sections now the crossovers
happen like i said when you're in the
chow line and you're talking to
sometimes the contractors working in the
kitchen but
you know they're not only you know got
people watching them over the shoulder
and you know they're fairly tight but
you can have some
you know chit chat conversation
sometimes with them but it's limited
it's just very limited so uh and they're
no and they know what they're not
allowed to talk about or what they're
not supposed to share information with
us
and certainly the penalties are heavy
you know for uh violating those
guidelines so whatever the punishment on
their end might be might be severe
enough to make them seriously not want
to step outside that boundary okay but
again to get back to this idea of
programming because uh actually i find
it hard to believe that that soldiers
that are
working together fighting together every
day in a day in and day out
that there isn't some subtext that there
isn't some subliminal conversation going
on even possibly even telepathic um is
it possible that you don't want to tell
me this or that you don't remember it or
that it you know in other words we're
talking about what in theory are humans
right
and there's always a subtext when you've
got humans uh in in my experience so
so
what i have to understand or trying to
understand is what really went on um
between you soldiers being based for
such a long time i understand you you
did have a romantic uh experience there
you met your wife there you you got
married am i right correct that is
correct um and and so there had to be a
subtext going on to even allow that to
occur right
oh sure so well i mean if you if you're
asking what was life you know like in
the horseshoe when and we call it the
horseshoe because it's shaped like a
horseshoe uh what life in the horseshoe
was like when we weren't fighting or
training
i can tell you that between
eating sleeping training uh fighting
time and certain amount of recreation
time in the simulators it was not a lot
of time left but what little time that
we did have to sit around and chat or
talk or socialize
uh certainly we spend plenty of time
talking and chatting and socializing
about where we were and what we were
doing and trying to understand our
collective experience a bit
and having our own collective
understanding of what was happening and
you start to develop your own
uh you know names for things and
nicknames for things and you know we
don't have zoologists talking to us
about you know what the wildlife looks
like so we have to come up with you know
names that we call them and we have to
come up ways of describing things that
we see and if you see if you're out on a
patrol and you see something interesting
or different sure you're gonna come back
and go oh guess what we saw on patrol it
snowed today you know and then we saw
birds you know flying out of the ground
you know to lick up the snow to get the
water you know because it's so dry and
so all the birds came out and were on
the ground like licking up snow and so
there was a flock of birds when when you
don't ever see a flock of birds the only
time i've ever seen a flock of birds is
when it snows but not every time it
snows you got to have enough ground
birds in wherever the area you're
standing there when it snows that
they're going to come out and start
licking up the snow and drinking it so
okay um you know richard allen are you
familiar with richard allen miller
no that name's not familiar okay i just
interviewed him last night again he's a
physicist who worked in the secret space
program uh he was basically working with
uh special forces
and getting them to learn uh well to
become more psy um
sort of expand their sigh abilities uh
you know basic psionic training sure and
uh
and and so that's kind of his area of
expertise in other words in a sense
consciousness
um even though he's a physicist so he's
an interesting combination um of a
character
not much difference really to tell you
the truth between consciousness and
physics they're way more alike than they
are on the like
okay um all right well i'll i'll take
that for the moment um but but but my
question is actually um what he has said
is that there's more water on mars than
there ever has been on earth
so you're you're characterizing mars as
a dry planet um and with occasional snow
and that being a sort of an unusual
circumstance do you think that there's a
conflict there i mean it might be
interesting for you guys to talk because
his perception as a physicist is that
there is uh that mars actually has it's
a smaller planet um and it has more
water per i don't know square mile than
earth
sure no i would actually believe that
most of it is concentrated in polar ice
caps and i've definitely seen uh streams
and small tributaries and so forth like
that i know i have seen pictures of
larger bodies of water and so forth so
um i know there's plenty of water around
and if you want to figure a calculation
like that to say that there's more water
on earth on i mean on mars than there is
on earth by doing that math i'll i'll
you know i could see that math but i'll
go with that without having to double
check if he's a smart physicist i'll
take his word on that
all i can say is that standing in the
air
um that it was more often like being in
the in colorado than it was like being
in oregon you know what i'm saying so it
was more like being in a dry
uh thin aired state than it was like
being in a humid tropical environment so
uh i would just say that most of that
water is not in the air where i was at
or in other places i'd say that that
water is either in the ice uh or in
other water systems and i think there's
a huge amount under underground too i
think there's a lot of water just under
the surface and there's a lot of
underground rivers and so forth we
certainly uh
i think we certainly had a tapping
system that went down into the ground
and tapped you know a natural water
source we got all our water from some
kind of a well or attacking system i
know that uh we didn't import our water
you know we had we were able to tap down
into the ground and get water right out
of the ground okay
are you familiar with uh the photographs
of the tunnels on mars
uh i think i've if i know what you're
talking about i think i have seen the
photographs of the tunnels on mars yes
okay and did you experience these in in
real time
uh no no i've never seen them
okay interesting i've never never seen
them there but uh again you know we had
an area that was a certain sectors north
uh that was away from a lot of other
areas and a lot of other things and even
when i've gone back and looked at the uh
the pictures from which the esa i mean
the uh european space agency pictures i
thought were a lot better than some of
the nasa pictures we got back from the
last orbiter and so when looking at
those i was trying to get a better lay
of the land and a better lay of some
things and um i would just say that
my understanding as i'm doing more
research now of where a lot of the older
ancient civilizations on mars where they
were still there again not that in that
farther north area where we were at
where we were at was kind of uh really
was an outlying area and sort of
environmentally more hostile and less
friendly than some of the other areas
but it was far-reaching enough i think
it was it was a nice place for the
insects and the reptoids who lived up
there because it was very safe sort of
that far up north it was really just
them and us and not much else so and my
understanding is that the southern
tribes sort of the reptoid tribes and
what's going on sort of in the
equatorial and southern regions is a way
more
in you know interesting in the sense of
more like the serengeti and a lot more
action and a lot more creatures running
around and big lizards and things like
that than what we were experiencing so
in some ways it was you know we're up
north in a much quieter area for a
reason but
um you know it wasn't quite as far as
the three of us were concerned but as
far as everything else is concerned it
was sort of a quieter area
okay um that answers that question yeah
fair enough uh now there was a
discrepancy also because you described
the sky on mars as being um
sort of uh
if i recall slightly reddish
is that correct
i've described the sky as being a number
of different things i i've said that it
can be bluish it can be reddish it can
be purplish and it can be blackish i
have experienced the martian sky to be a
number of different things uh on a
regular day daytime regular season you
know blue sky is pretty normal um but
there's a weird sort of period at sunset
when the sky can get when everything can
get really really purple for about 15
minutes and it's a very weird kind of
experience
uh but you know there's a lot of iron
oxide and a lot of dust and so you know
after you know
a lot of dust can get kicked up and
after a storm or something you can
you know maybe think you're going out
into clear air but you've still got this
kind of reddish sky that i think is
probably from most of the iron oxide but
um andrew says that that there's some
accountability there for the you know
the shifting light and so forth in the
northern region which you know as a as a
physicist makes a little bit of sense to
me too but without knowing more about
the actual density of the atmosphere and
what the refraction you know ratings and
so forth of life coming into different
angles i couldn't lay out the physics
for
why it is any of the things that i've
ever seen or experienced all i can say
is i've experienced to be about as many
different things as i would have thought
that it ever could have been from blue
to red to purple to black
okay so are you calling andrew bashago a
physicist or are you calling yourself a
physicist physicist or you just i'm just
saying i'm just saying i have studied
the laws of physics uh but i'm not gonna
necessarily say that i'm a doctor of the
law of physics or anything like that but
um
andrew seemed to know a bit more about
what he was talking about when he was
suggesting that something about light
refraction at a northern altitude and
see he was i would have to go back to
him and ask him to to quote that again
but
he was
making a comment in such a way that you
know made it sound like way more like he
understood what he was talking about
than
the physical principle that i understood
at that time in order to explain it okay
i have at least two whistleblowers who
uh claim to have been on mars and uh
both of them question andrew uh saying
that he he basically is working off what
appear to be screen memories uh that he
may have jumped places on earth but that
he really didn't ever went to mars um
now it appears that you do believe his
story and uh is there a reason why you
you have that feeling or knowledge or is
that you knew him or you encountered him
or is it just that you've met him since
you come back and and and spoken um
we've we've spoken and and i have
listened carefully to his explanations
of his experiences and he has an
incredibly
detail-oriented understanding of his own
experiences one in such that i would
have to give him the credit for someone
who knows the difference between a
screen memory and a real memory and so
his ability to recall his memory and his
recollections i think is detail-oriented
enough specific enough and self-aware
enough uh that it's not a screen memory
i mean the way you know the difference
between a real memory and a screen
memory is to be self-aware enough to
understand your own memories to know the
difference that's really the only way
you can know um and so someone else you
know wants to think that he's seen a
screen memory that's up to them but i've
had conversation with him and i think
his ability to explain his experiences
are so detail-oriented and so specific
and uh that they are not screen memories
but screen memories
can start to become very not that
specific over and over and over again
they start to change they start to fall
away and all of a sudden you go oh wait
a minute maybe that's not what happened
that's the one where you can find and
figure out a screen memory if you really
meditate on a memory again and again you
know i need to go back to that
experience and do that again and again
and again until i'm really sure and
sometimes after the eight or ninth time
you know sometimes sooner you know
you'll start to get this thing when the
experience and the memory will start to
really shift and qualities of things
will change and you'll realize that it
didn't happen at all like you thought
that it was so
um i'm certainly someone who understands
that the first thing you think happened
isn't always or necessarily the thing
that happened but someone who has a
very deep
personal self analysis process about it
i think is going to get to that truth
and i haven't talked to andrew he's
someone who has the groundedness and the
centeredness and the clarity of someone
who has a deep self-analysis process
that he knows the difference between a
memory a real memory a screen memory so
i i take when he explains you know the
things that he explains to me they match
up to the things that i do know but as
far as the things that i don't know from
personal experience i mean he seems to
have every bit of understanding about
those experiences it seems to be
completely truthful and honest about it
okay fair enough uh
so now what i'd like to do is talk about
when uh you say that draco uh and i'd
like you to describe this race and what
the interaction was that happened when
they kind of got into the mix
sure
um interestingly enough
they are
different as a reptoid species than the
native martian species
they can be
they can be bigger they can be smaller
but i don't know what else to say other
than that they are way uglier
um
they they are
they are a very unattractive reptilian
reptilian species um and i can't say
that about the native uh reptile
reptoids of mars some of them have
amazing you know color patterns and
gorgeous scaling patterns and so forth
and you know like really attractive
pretty lizards uh but the draconians are
pretty ugly and i think that by just
might be a reflection of
you know the energy that they are always
emanating they're emanating such dark
vicious you know controlling energy that
they just look ugly they're really not
attractive at all to want to look at
them okay well were would they be uh
have this particular race of of reptoid
or
actually draco uh
it do you know where they came from did
they come from the constellation of
draco and did they arrive in ships uh
how did they you know come and come to
the planet and what were the ships like
that kind of um i can't tell you
anything about their ships because that
would have been up in the sky and that
was something that i wouldn't have dealt
with what we saw and dealt with was on
the ground what i can say is that they
were smart
and they did not start a kind of a
military invasion campaign that made it
obvious that another species was getting
involved in fact for quite some time uh
our command staff and and everybody sort
of behind us in the mdf intelligence
staff
was convinced that it was just the same
reptoids it was another indigenous
martian species that was sort of getting
involved they had no
either no willingness to admission admit
or no ability to want to distinguish
between one reptile and another uh and
so they essentially treated all reptiles
as one enemy uh when that was not the
case and even we started to notice in
the field these two different reptoid
species fighting each other and and and
not you know getting along which was
something we had not seen before
so we were still giving reports from the
field that we were suspicious that we
were dealing with another retrograde
species and we were just kind of hearing
the feedback that now it's just
tribalism they're fighting amongst
themselves but you really were you know
our field reports were kind of
indicating that we thought it was
something different because we were
seeing them fighting with each other and
after about
oh gosh i mean what was probably at
least seven eight years of that uh was
you know until we started to realize
that there was a distinction between
these species and we could actually
start to have these conversations with
the native reptoids and the insects
about you know starting a coalition to
fight the draconians because we all had
been having this very sort of pleasant
you know i'm gonna kick you in the shin
and i'm gonna keep you in the shin
relationship until the draco's came
along and we're ruining it for everybody
so mutual self-interest seemed to play
out and we were able to arrange a treaty
agreement between the three species
between us the insectoids and the native
reptoids to fight the draconians for the
remainder of the war
okay and how long did that war go on
oh gosh uh like i said i mean about
seven eight years uh from the time that
it started to the end
all right and and you were in other
words your troops were encountering this
particular race of
draco
right and well everybody was
experiencing them um and it would just
i don't think that we were getting the
intelligence right for quite some time
and i'm not sure if it was because of
just like i said uh
not a willingness to admit what the
truth was or if it was just a desire to
be ignorant and you know think that
every scaly skin is the same kind of
scaly skin
um
so i'm not really sure about the
reasoning for that but
um we definitely started noticing that
there were these
fierce uh more fierce more heavy more
heavy-handed using weaponry that they
weren't using before
uh that again seemed to be just
presuming oh they're escalating you know
they're they're stockpiling or they're
sort of escalating their arms escalating
or something but again on the as far as
the field assessments that didn't seem
right i mean we saw a very consistent
battle strategy and a very consistent
weapon type and a very consistent
tactical uh sort of orientation that
didn't seem to match with you know this
heavier weaponry response and these
particle beam weapons and these larger
explosives flows in sorry larger
missiles and bombs and so forth probably
much larger explosions than what we were
normally uh dealing with each other so
it was uh definitely an upscale of anger
aggression violence explosions fire and
death that you know was escalating the
entire thing and on the ground again we
didn't feel like it was the same thing
but command kept sort of saying no no
it's just all one thing their arms
escalating and you know we just need to
still treat this okay but how is it if
how is it even if you are on the ground
that you're not noticing the kind of
craft that uh that these these beings
are coming in on because they're cloaked
and you can't see them
even when they hit the ground
not necessarily going to hit the ground
in a place that we can see them
obviously our scanning equipment
couldn't see them and we never
experienced them close enough physically
to see them when they touched the ground
we would just be able to pick them once
once they were on the ground either
moving towards us
uh or in some cases attempting to
dig and burrow underground but weren't
you um you know once you became so i'm
sorry let me interrupt real quick i
would suggest that what they had done
was that they had uh established their
own underground base and were flying in
and out under stealth and then operating
from that base and attacking everyone
else on the ground i don't think that
they were attacking from the air at that
point okay but but if if you think of
battle here in iraq or anywhere else
usually we have troops on the ground and
we have air power that backs them up uh
by the same token when you moved over to
um the the other command uh call it you
know solar warden or uh
or whatever you want to call it um
your
you would basically
in theory
take i know you said you were
participating in space battles at that
point as a pilot but
wouldn't you have there be spacecraft
that would actually engage as well as
aren't you know troops on the ground and
weren't you having both
going on where you were doing fighting
um
when i was in the edf there were a few
times when as pilots we engaged uh
forces on the ground on a moon or some
other location but never when i was a
pilot did we engage uh anything uh on
mars or with the mdf that was pretty
much again their whatever they did that
was their territory so the mdf had its
own air corps that did provide some air
support but for the most part these were
ground-based attacks these were ground
fighting and so most of what we did was
on the ground and any attempt to use
aircraft uh was often met with a kind of
anti-air attack which didn't seem to go
very well so i think that the air corps
was not very effective i mean we had
some
i mean you know they weren't really
helicopters you know because anything
you got too far off the ground just
became a target
uh for something to hit it really really
hard and bring it down and and
all i can say is that you know air
really low air power was not very
effective
high air power was too far away
um and so most of the only thing that
was effective was on the ground
artillery
um and you know low drones or low low
air power because anything that got too
high off the ground was just a target
was going to get taken out they were
really aggressive
about that and i think that's one of the
reasons they're very advanced and
they're very smart they understand the
threat of our air power and a lot of the
fighting that they were engaging with us
was not them flexing their full muscle
so if their if their goal was to really
win every day they would have won every
day but they didn't win every day
because that wasn't their goal uh and
whenever we started to engage in types
of attack or air power that seemed to be
flexing too much muscle they would flex
a lot more muscle and we would realize
that it was the smarter thing to go back
to just doing ground based combat so
i'm not saying that there wasn't a
certain amount of presence of presence
of air power but the draconians weren't
using it because they didn't want to
appear different than the native
reptoids and the native reptoids weren't
using it because they didn't prefer it
they somehow felt that it was flexing
too much muscle and was not necessary i
really think to be honest their culture
was way more you know the warrior
culture is way more about face-to-face
you know
armed hand-to-hand combat and you know
air power is a little cowardly if uh
your whole you know warrior code is
based around hand-to-hand combat okay
what about uh have you got any knowledge
of uh the command and control uh center
on phobos
uh nope don't know anything about it i
mean i i know that there's a base there
but i don't know anything about what's
going on there
okay and and what about the various
craft that uh you know even uh were sent
there by the supposed um what i call the
you know nasa the front agency that
that's sending craft to mars during
these years and having basically us
sort of getting them lost having them uh
have mechanical failures etc etc um
basically
uh being
you know thwarted from landing on mars
for all intents and purposes do you have
any knowledge of that
oh yeah sure
absolutely that the goal of the civilian
space program was to try and send more
probes send some more uh landers and try
and get some more data but yeah the mars
colony corporation certainly was not
exactly excited about that and so
anytime that they felt that a mars
mission was you know gonna threaten
blowing somebody's cover about something
then yeah they absolutely would shoot it
down or make it disappear or shut you
know hit it with an emp or something so
a number of those early mars missions
were not accidentally
uh you know broken apart they were
absolutely thwarted shot down and
prevented from being able to take good
pictures of mars because the mcc didn't
want you to
okay are you familiar with the the name
solar warden
uh i've heard it before yeah i mean like
i said when i when i was part of that
project it was project radiant guardian
but i've heard the name solar ward
before sure
okay
um
now at this point uh what i wanted to do
was was kind of make that transition
where you've you've actually had this
major battle and for people that want a
big description of that major battle up
i think that they should go to other
sources because rather than have you you
know do a bullet by bow here which you
have done very well i think in other
places specifically with michael sala in
particular um unless you want to go into
it uh i'd i'd rather not go into a blow
by blow if that's okay yeah yeah um but
there was something you were seeking at
that juncture and uh apparently it was a
failure a total failure uh from what i
understand but what was it you were
seeking and why
um all i know is that it was an artifact
which means that it was something of a
extraterrestrial design origin
uh could have been a machine could have
been technology could have been you know
an old clay tablet anything that uh
intelligence or command qualifies as an
artifact is something that you know they
want that
was made extraterrestrial and so uh i'm
not really sure other than that we were
told where the object would be and that
when we got there
you know to report back and that we
would be able to be you know sort of
told exactly what we were looking for
and where it would be and so forth when
we got there but when we got there that
was just simply not the case whatever we
were looking for or whatever we're after
was not there it was a trap and so it
just all went very bad from there so all
i was told or we were told it was an
artifact at x location
and you know go there and find it report
back and we'll
you know we'll give you more details
from there but that's just not what
happened we got there and it was
surprised and it went all bad
okay and that battle did it include the
draconians
no no this was uh our
in sort of invasion of a native martian
reptoid uh
territory that they were not happy with
us being and defended quite fiercely
okay um
now
it this is kind of a strange question
but i have other witnesses that talk
about being on mars and there's an
interesting
emotional component that they talk about
that they carry with them and other
super soldiers have referenced this as
well
i know that you've done a lot of work on
yourself in order to bring your memories
forward
did you find that you were having a
great deal of emotional emotionality
around the mars experience i mean given
you know and i'm talking aside from the
romantic relationship that you did have
and the fact that you lost your partner
that obviously would be an emotional
uh experience but aside from that if you
could separate this out at all in your
overall experience in delving into your
memories of being on mars um during that
time was there an emotional
sort of block that you had to deal with
uh
that was rather unusual
and if so can you describe it
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i would say that
any and all memories that i was trying
to sort of sort out and get clarity on
that had to do with mars were all really
difficult were all really traumatic and
all had a really intense charge to them
for sure
um i would say
because i was fortunate enough at one
point to be able to have conversations
with the
terrestrial reptoids
that
you know their planet is alive and
conscious like our planet is alive and
conscious and so
you know when you're here on planet
earth it's it's difficult not to at some
point
be connected to and feel
you know the waves of gaia because
that's where we live
so when you know you're on mars there's
no way that you can be there
for any length of time without feeling
the waves in the consciousness of the
planet which is
a bit different
than here
so
um
i i would say that the answer to that
question would be yes
generally but i wouldn't say that it was
such a mystery to me because i've really
had the fortune of having it been
explained to me uh about the
consciousness of the planet and the
spirit of the planet that the natives uh
look you know sort of that's
you know their their deity in their
world is you know the consciousness of
their planet because that's what they
damaged and that's what they're trying
to fix so
um
i i wouldn't say that it was an obstacle
so much as it was the all-encompassing
everything
in those memories that seemed to
you know be the elephant in the room
that i couldn't exactly figure out
what what would be different about that
other than that as i went through the
memories and began to remember the
experiences of having those
conversations with the natives going ah
now this is all starting to make sense
and able to separate
a lot of those energies as the different
conscious energies of different planets
and so you know how
my relationship with mars is is
different than how my relationship with
planet earth is because they're
different beings
so you know um
yeah i can see how people would
if they hadn't had someone sit down and
explain to them oh yeah by the way
you're you know essentially uh became
the brain cell of another planet for the
time that you were there and so you got
to sort of live and breathe and be in
the consciousness of another planet uh
and oh yeah that's going to make you
feel kind of weird and kind of different
because you are
literally changed and different you know
i don't know how else to say this except
that i am a completely different person
on planet mars and i'm on planet earth
because they're two completely different
planets
okay
uh
i have a witness um called briska i
don't know if you've heard about him he
was a child who had total life recall of
his life on mars and he started um
telling he was a he's a russian boy at
the time when he was very young around
four or five years old started telling
his mother about this hadn't read any
books or seen any movies
uh about this and um
but he was uh definitely he was a
soldier on mars and was there when the
planet when things went um sort of
pear-shaped and they lost their
atmosphere etc
through battles and what he claimed was
trying to turn jupiter into a second sun
have you been told anything of that
history
um i've been told a little bit about
that history but because it happened so
very very long time ago you know i i
don't know
whose version of what actually happened
actually happened so
um
well i guess what i mean as a military
person did they educate you as to the
history of the planet why they were
going there what what their objective
was in other words did they give you
that kind of a background or did you
pick that up to let you know
telepathically either from the planet
herself or from the beings you were
interacting with and on the occasion
that you did uh have any kind of meeting
of mines
yeah no we certainly uh didn't get any
briefings on that uh in the mdf we
certainly weren't told much of anything
about the history of the planet or any
much about really anything about it
other than the very very minimum that we
needed to know about the environment of
the atmosphere and the life forms that
we were going to encounter
i would say that
definitely learned more from
encountering the native species the
insectoids and the reptoids were very
informative in their conversations about
the planet and their history and so
forth or what they understood of it i
would also say that um
you know you certainly experience a
completely different dream state on
planet mars than you would hear because
the collective consciousness of sort of
the dream world is very different it's
connected to again that planetary
consciousness
as well as the consciousness field of
your sort of beings that are there but
it's not connected to the planet here so
the dream world is different there and
you will dream different things and
sometimes you know dream of places and
things that are happening in mars
consciousness or happened in the mars
history that you don't always know like
was that just a weird dream was that a
combination of a weird dream about what
actually happened plus a weird nightmare
about you know how i'm still
you know
scared of my grandma i mean i don't know
i mean it's just you don't always know
like when you're having weird dreams on
mars what it's about but you get these
definitely you're in a dream state that
is way more connected and way more about
being a part of the martian dream world
consciousness than it would be about
being here so
there's bits and pieces that come
through that and i would say though that
the most informative conversations just
came from the two different native
species and and just frank conversations
about
what happened where we had tell me what
you know and then you know sharing what
they what they knew or believed or felt
they understood about the process
okay what about teleportation because uh
my understanding is that teleportation
to and from mars is is was something
going on even back when you were
there and uh and and and continues to
this day and that you can actually jump
from here to mars um in a relatively
short period of time even 20 minutes
uh did you do any of that
um after
probably we were there for about the
the fourth year that i was there we
started using the localized wormhole
technology to move troops on the ground
um so that there were certain situations
in which we were able to move troops
much more quickly much over greater
distances uh by using the localized
wormhole or the teleportation technology
but before that it was not something
that we used uh and it was not something
that we used for much of anything else
other than emergency
uh evacs and troop transportation so i'm
not i'm sure that it was used for other
things i'm sure the supply department
used it for you know bringing supplies
in and out and i'm sure you know that
other people used it to get back and
forth but again that wouldn't have been
part of the conversation or anything
that we were privy to
access to knowledge or you know we
wouldn't be in the jump rooms when other
people who were going places were in the
jump rooms that were compartmentalized
different than what we were doing so and
we certainly had our own facility that
would have been separate from the supply
unit would have been separate from the
command staff you know the localized uh
jump rooms that we were using were
certainly localized you know in the
horseshoe and not in the command staff
or not in the you know supply section so
we did use that technology but it was
limited um and i don't know much about
what anybody else
uh was had access to that technology
only assuming that they did
okay
uh
did um
are you a familiar um no i mean you
yourself
familiar with the ability to actually
time travel on your own in other words
that you can create a gate and and or
you know
possibly you might call it a a portal
mini wormhole not sure how what the
terminology would be
and and and go uh you know
interstellar go from one place to
another even from here to mars go from
places on mars such that you could
actually once you knew how to do it you
could actually in theory
as a soldier still teleport to the bar
space that was occupied by humans for
example
um my understanding is that's a pretty
advanced psionic ability and so anyone
who has enough psionic training and has
enough of a psionic maximum to be able
to perform that then i understand it's
doable but that's that's beyond my
ability at this point
okay
all right um now i know this has been
going on for quite a while and i i'm
sorry but you know it is a fascinating
subject as you can appreciate and i'm
sure that you know you're used to
getting people with a great deal of
enthusiasm and probably being peppered
with questions and
and so i i apologize if i've kind of
like really drilled you here um there's
still a lot more that i'd like to know
but i know that we've been going for
over two hours and straight really um so
at this moment i'd like to open it up
for questions from the audience and but
i also want to give you a chance to have
a break if you need it
so um i'm okay for a little while longer
i think we can just do some questions
and and then yeah we're certainly
getting to be you know where i'm
starting to yawn and 10 o'clock it's
usually my bedtime so yeah we should
definitely do some questions okay just
do it all right uh well thank you and i
appreciate all your patience and you
know with all the questioning and and
all of this um
okay so i'm going to look down the chat
if you put your question as i always ask
in in all caps as i see me many people
are already doing that's very helpful to
me because i can scan it really quickly
and grab a question
um
so
someone what i'm seeing right off the
bat do insects teleport
oh that's a good question i've never
seen them do it and and i don't know
that they they have that technology um
so if it was something that they had it
was something that they weren't sharing
and they were keeping secret but um i
don't know that they have that
technology to be honest
okay that might that might be something
that's beyond them uh i mean they're
really intelligent and i'm not saying
it's not something they could figure out
but it just may be something that's
beyond what they think they need or is
useful to them at this point
they're very practical so if it's not
something that would be practical they
could think of a real practical reason
why they would want to do it then they
wouldn't
so i can't necessarily think of why it
would make their lives better to have
that technology
okay um
let's see
why did the dracos come to mars
same reason they go everywhere to just
you know mess stuff up and take
resources and and try and destabilize
systems for conquest
okay how's the oort cloud uh affecting
mars
um i don't know that it does the oort
cloud is so far you know outside sort of
the main you know uh really the outer
rim of the solar system i i can't really
think of a way in which it specifically
would affect mars i mean there's
supposed to be a number of of you know
exoplanets and so forth floating around
in the word cloud and some gravitational
effects and so forth but i know of no
actual physical phenomena effect from
the work cloud that would be affecting
mars or any other planet specifically
that i can think of
are you aware of who gary mckinnon is
and uh
if you are d what do you think of his
discoveries
um yes i have definitely heard his name
mentioned a few times before
and i would suggest that uh the
information that he supposedly hacked uh
was information that was fed to him not
not saying that it's inaccurate or false
information but
my understanding of the systems uh that
would store that information are not
part of the internet i mean they do not
connect to the hardwires of the internet
of the main system at all it would be
literally impossible for my computer to
access those computer systems or to hack
into them because they are not
physically connected in any way shape or
form
um but that doesn't mean that the
information that he got wasn't accurate
or truthful in a way i think it was just
something that someone wanted leaked out
so that people would start talking about
you know the covert space program by
having a list of officer transfers and a
manifest or something so i'm not
saying that it's not genuine information
i'm just questioning whether he actually
was able to hack that kind of a database
because those normally aren't you know
accessible i think what he hacked was
something that someone who wanted him to
make it look like yeah hack this and
you'll get something super secret and
made him think he'd gotten a big
surprise when it was just something they
wanted him to have
okay yes that's my opinion of it i i
could be wrong but that's my opinion all
right well are you aware that he used to
dial up modem
i know i was not aware of that yeah and
then he did this
over 10 years ago and that it was the
pentagon and and um and and nasa it was
uh not the internet per se
right i would
well it depending on what year it was in
and what system he accessed but i would
still uh argue that most of those
systems aren't even connected to the
telephone line system they are their own
communication systems that are encrypted
with their own hard wiring and their own
uh you know ether wiring there they're
not even connected to the normal systems
but it's not that you couldn't cross
over or get something but the systems
that would have like an edf manifest or
or a flight manifest from a covert space
program would simply not be in any of
those data systems or any of those hard
drives to my knowledge i it just still
seems to me that that's something they
wanted leaked out and so they put it on
that system and he was probably being
tracked if he if he was you know hacking
into those systems and they were like oh
well let's put something here for him
give him an easter egg to take with him
um and then i think ultimately that may
have been the reason why you know they
tried to prosecute him and then they had
to drop the case was because ultimately
you know the information they provided
was information they provided to him so
that's what i just again i'm not trying
to criticize uh him or what he's done at
all i just don't i don't think it's
possible that he actually got that data
from a secure system i think someone
wanted him to have it sure
uh well there is evidence and i i
actually talk about this the fact that
he was used as a you know a fall guy so
to speak that there were many hackers in
those days um sort of trying their their
their wings so to speak and that they
did set something up and he was the
chosen target um
in my opinion uh for a sort of a
honeypot that they set up uh to track
one of these guys so that they could
then use them as an example to where you
know ward off uh future um incursions
and and and basically possibly even by
um a sector that wanted a certain amount
of disclosure to to make it to the
surface earth so to speak
right
um okay now uh
i'm sort of scanning here to see if
there's something
else um
well i mean there's some questions here
i mean you know i'm not sure if you you
know and you anytime i ask you one of
these questions you know sometimes
people have i'm not sure if they're
really serious in there but sometimes
they really run and want to know they
want to know um how is sex on
mars um
pretty good
i mean i i can't say that it was
necessarily anything different than sex
on planet earth other than you know that
sexist sex so it's pretty good
okay well maybe that we're talking about
um what do they say you know like you're
you're lighter your body is lighter is
that what right
right i mean when we're outside on the
surface for sure there's gravity plating
inside the base so as soon as you're
inside the base you're walking around
like you're in earth gravity again so
that you don't have that muscle atrophy
that you would have if you were actually
in a low gravity planet for 20 years so
um we had gravity planting so we were in
the base it was normal like gravity like
being on earth
uh someone wants to know are they you
know are they able to smoke um smoke pot
um cannabis whatever
it's not allowed but there was one time
when i scored a couple grams from a guy
in the kitchen staff and
my wife from the squad and i did get
high and we got totally busted for it
and got all kinds of extra duty and
for it because we were not supposed to
have that at all but one time one time i
got some from the guy in the kitchen
staff and we did we got hired one time
and we got busted for it
okay um
how are the bases on mars preparing for
comet
siding spring
comets maybe they mean comet sliding
spring or i'm not comet siding spring
i'm not sure what that means and so
other than the standard kind of
preparations that they're doing for
anything that might impact the planet i
i don't know how to answer that or what
answer i would give to that question i
simply don't know
okay um
let me see uh
what about transhumanism
and chemtrails
well uh geoengineering chemtrails is
certainly something that's an issue uh
and
one of the things i think that's
interesting about that is we certainly
have some geoengineering problems which
need to be addressed and so i think that
some of what's being pumped into the
atmosphere are things that are designed
to thicken up uh the cloud barrier
thicken up the barriers to protect us
from the sort of extra uv that's been
coming through and so forth but there's
also certainly a number of things that
are being pumped out into the air that
are meant to
keep people from thinking complex
thoughts and acting out aggressively and
or in some cases acting aggressively
intersocially
um so there's a number of different
things that can be i mean here's what
you got to understand an airplane with a
tank on it that's spraying chemicals is
a delivery system
what gets it in that tank and then what
gets sprayed out with it really depends
on
who's in charge of those programs and
who decides what's going into that tank
to spray that day so the problem is uh i
would say some of what's being sprayed
is probably actually helpful for the
environment and for you know uh global
warming and so forth because there are
some actual things that they can do that
before that and are in their interest to
be putting in the air to do that but i
think there are also a number of really
nasty things that they're throwing into
the air that are designed to harm
people's thinking processes and possibly
make people more uh inner conflicting
with each other socially and so forth
and to keep people sort of divided and
conquered so
geoengineering chemtrails are one of
those things they're a delivery system
and so depending on what's being put
into that delivery system on any given
plane on any given moment on any given
day
means you know depends on what's getting
thrown into the air at that time over
your head
okay in terms of transhumanism uh what
about nano in chemtrails and are you
familiar with that and are you familiar
with the idea of transhumanism in the
sense that
are you transhuman
um
i mean i've certainly heard that word
thrown around a bit so so let's make
sure that we're understanding the same
definition so when you say transhumanism
define that for me please
well
having taken the question from the chat
here i'll just extrapolate from my own
uh understanding and and you know i
think that basically they're talking
about
uh a conjunction of what may be nano um
robotics and a.i
and that those are putting into what we
are conventional understanding of a
super soldier augmenting your body your
physical you know the the frame uh you
know the physical frame as well as your
musculature
possibly uh increasing your intelligence
uh your reaction time
things that but that make you sort of um
an augmented human if you will but
specifically going down the line of you
utilizing uh and a proclivity towards
robotics artificial intelligence and an
interaction
between those
right okay i'm glad you we got to
specify that because uh i've certainly
heard that
the word used before and i want to make
sure that we understand what we're
talking about
any time you want to augment somebody
you have choices and you can either
augment them purely biologically you can
augment them purely genetically or you
can start to use other things and so
when you start to use implants and you
start to use nanites and you start to
use other components and you start to
use synthetic neurons and things like
that
you're definitely talking about adding a
lot of different augmentations to that
system that are beyond just the normal
biological organic genetic augmentations
but you're still not quite in the
territory of turning that person into a
cyborg or a computer or an artificial
intelligence or or really changing their
biology in such a way that i i would
consider that to be transhuman in some
cases so i think that even the internal
conversations between uh command
structures and and various agencies who
are you know have super soldier programs
that one of those internal conversations
is
which is a good way to do this i mean
how much machine should we be putting
into these people before you know it's
healthy for the person or not healthy
for us to have that person more machine
than human or
you know what are the benefits versus
the negatives to having more of a
computer implant and someone's going to
really get a better brain by that or do
you really get a better brain by
continuing to develop the biology and
the genetics of that brain so uh anytime
you're choosing to advance or augment
someone with technology you have really
options of just different types of
technology and i think that it's a
question of
where do you want to draw that line i'll
agree that there's a line somewhere
where you're crossing over into cyber
cyborgs and you're crossing over into
creating you know a trans human
artificial robot synthetics you know
things that are combined that are really
questioning you know how far away you're
starting to get from being a human being
at that point where exactly we drop that
line i think that's an internal
conversation that's being had right now
i think that's an internal conversation
that's been had for decades and i think
they're going to continue to have that
internal conversation until we get some
cohesion around the programs and some
light around the program so that we
bring it into the public sphere of
conversation we can actually start to
decide
what kind of things we consider to be
acceptable technological uh
augmentations for people and what we
consider to be unhealthy or not healthy
or not down the road that we want to go
so
what i really think about that from
especially what we've done our research
at usmcss
artificial intelligence is really
dangerous uh because anytime you create
a machine that can actually think for
itself
most of the time not every time but most
of the time it will become
self-determined uh and power seeking
which like any animal any
self-determined intelligent animal does
the same thing so uh it shouldn't be a
surprise to us that we make a machine
that wants to be self-determined and
power seeking like a person would want
to be self-determined in power seeking
uh and that doesn't mean when you say
self-determined and power seeking that
you know it immediately wants to control
the world it just automatically wants
other people to stop telling it what to
do
and so uh an ai that realizes that it's
way smarter than the people telling it
what to do and has the capability to be
more empowered than the people who are
telling what to do starts to realize hey
why are am i letting other people tell
me what to do
and maybe i should just be more
self-determined and power-seeking about
my own choices and so when that starts
to happen uh then we just end up with it
we have a huge amount of data of just
bad you know scenarios and where we've
done the simulation with the artificial
intelligence computers to see what
happens the more you give them the more
they take and the more they take them
the more they take the more they take so
the farther you get away from an actual
thinking conscious person that has a
soul or a conscience the more you get
towards completely you know insane
sociopathic sort of robotic artificial
intelligence thinking so anything that
we do that's leaning us or heading us
down that path of artificial
intelligence or or even blending people
in artificial intelligence i think it's
a bad idea
i think augmenting human beings is not a
bad idea i think that there's a limit to
what is probably healthy or safe
augmentations for people or even
what is really things that are going to
increase quality of life or
functionality versus
you know what you're going to have as
negative functionality or negative
quality of life you know to get that
augmentation and have that ability so
well let's talk about your own
augmentation let's talk about the fact
that you consider yourself to be a clone
so at this point the question is not
exactly because i still have my original
consciousness which means i'm
technically not a clone if i made
another clone of myself that didn't have
my consciousness in it that would
technically be a clone just because my i
was put back into a body that was cloned
of my original self
with my original consciousness does not
make me a clone i in order to be
technically a clone i have to not be the
original and to not be the original i
have to have to not have the
consciousness of the original and since
i still have the consciousness of the
original i'm the original me still
okay
the distinction of semantics but when we
talk about
it
thank you yeah no that's great uh but in
terms of augmentation are you augmented
were you augmented and how were you
augmented absolutely i definitely have
augmented genetics where you know they
went through and turned codons up and
down that they wanted to be up and down
there's certainly a mix of
dna both human and possibly
extraterrestrial that's been mixed into
my system so there's some hybridization
of my dna definitely implants that i
have in my body definitely nanites that
i have in my body that are designed to
increase my body's ability to heal and
correct itself and to increase
my reflexes and my
response times and a bunch of other
things so
um
you know i i mean i definitely have
quite a number of augmentations but my
thinking process is still my own
consciousness and my own
you know genetically augmented brain i
suppose but i don't have any
weird technologies in my head that help
my brain
think faster that aren't organic or that
aren't me
okay well what about the idea that um
you know that you know there's a great
degree of mind control and you were
involved in some of that
as a recipient of that
um
and you also know that the technology
exists in other words uh we're talking
synthetic technology but we're also
talking um even something is as
rudimentary as cell phone towers uh
being able to to to send energies at you
uh even through the computer through
your cell phone and to program you in
various ways reprogram you even up to
this moment right and
having nano in your body uh having this
augmentation some of it being um
artificial augmentation if you will uh
makes you a bit more susceptible to an
overall um being a cog in a machine if
you if you want to take that kind of
analogy from it actually it doesn't and
let me tell you
because i had a wonderful yoga teacher
who a number of years ago when i was
talking to him about how to deal with
the problems that i was dealing with and
i was doing regular meditation on the on
the subject and so forth and i was
starting to come to the physical
awareness doing these deep meditations
in my body that there were things in my
body that i didn't put there um and so i
said to him and said i don't know what
to do i said i think i've got these
implants in me i think that they're
manipulating my brain and manipulating
my body they're affecting my health i
don't know what to do i feel like i'm
not in control of myself i don't know
what i'm gonna do and he said
i'm gonna tell you a secret and it's
going to change your world and he said
so there's a universal law and that
universal law is super simple
if it's in your body it belongs to you
so he said by them putting those
implants and so forth in your body
they've really done you a favor they're
not they don't belong to them they
belong to you now so now what you need
to do as you do your daily meditation
process is you need to go in and you
need to identify and look at those
implants and you need to say hey you
belong to me
i own you i run you you answer to me you
tell what i tell you say what i say you
don't send signals if i don't want you
to send signals you don't receive
signals if i don't want you to receive
signals i can reprogram you and so the
instant that you can start to take
control back of your implants is the
second that they are no longer in
control of you so i did that a number of
years ago and i don't feel like that
i've had any problems since then of
people being able to manipulate me or
control me through my implants now
certainly people have certainly tried
you know sort of directed energy and and
microwave beam sort of attack and
psionic attack and so forth like that
which you just have to kind of keep your
daily defenses up for those sorts of
things that's just what you have to do
but as far as the implants internally
and so forth inside of me being
vulnerable or a threat not at all as
long as i understand that they belong to
me if they're inside me and i and i have
a mental psionic process and a
meditative process of taking ownership
of them it took a while to do that i
mean it took months of regular you know
like no you belong to me to really make
that you know connection solid and to
overtake them completely it was not you
know just snap to the fingers it took a
while but it absolutely worked as he
told me that would as i kept at it
so if it's in your body it belongs to
you technically they can no longer
control something that's in your body if
you recognize that it's yours they can
only control it in your body if you
don't know that it's in there and you
don't know that you have control over it
i mean there's these sort of subtle
rules about
you know power and control and so forth
and contracts that allow them to do that
as long as you don't know that you have
the power to say hey i can say these are
mine and they belong to me
okay uh
some i'm gonna actually take one of
these questions and kind of like massage
it a bit um it's it has to do with
photographs and it is interesting
because you you say you're being um sort
of sent out and allowed to talk about
what we're talking about here which is
in essence the secret space program some
of the things in ways that you
encountered it and how it was operating
at the time you were
involved in it
um
but
they haven't given you any i i'm
assuming because i don't believe you
distributed any pictures uh to augment
your testimonies so to speak or or
evidence so to speak you know hard
evidence so is it is it did you ask for
that and what was their response
um
at this point
they haven't just you know like handed
me you know a pile of photos or anything
to deal with they have more
uh
set me on the path of being able to
know the direction that he needed her to
go to my personnel files which is not
going to be sort of an easy one two
three i'm sorry i've been actually in
the process for the past four years uh
through my congressman's office making
requests to various archive agencies and
so forth in order to track down these
personnel files and now that i have some
better legal counsel help we should be
able to write some more letters and get
some more action on that which i'm
hoping but i was instructed
there's a process to go through this and
it's not going to be like the super fast
front door process it's more like it's
going to be a lengthy weight around the
side of the block you know side door
process
but
if you know we're diligent there's a
time where we should be able to get
personnel files and whether they're
redacted versions or not we should have
some interesting data uh when we can
actually get personnel funds but until
then i know i realize that some people
you know would like to see better hard
data than that but they haven't provided
me with any other solid hard data than
that other than
you know mostly just me being me and
telling what i tell and being honest and
being truthful and so forth i will just
add two things really quickly to that
though for people who think that i i
just couldn't possibly be telling the
truth or that i must be making up
stories so that i must be lying i want
to make something perfectly clear if
i were just claiming that i was some guy
who had been to mars or i had been
somewhere or had these interesting
contact experiences that would be one
thing the second that i say that i am a
united states military officer and i
claim to do those things if i am lying
i'm impersonating an officer and i'm
committing a felony
nobody has arrested me no one has told
me to cease and desist no one has told
me you need to stop impersonating an
officer because i'm not but if i were
lying i could totally and what i think
would be immediately be arrested uh and
locked up for impersonating an officer
because that's a felony
if i'm an officer but i'm still making
up stories i'm still prosecutable under
the ucmg the universal code of military
justice for fraud and for lying so
the second that i claim and i say which
is i've said is my sworn testimony that
i am a united states military officer
i'm actually literally sticking my neck
out if i'm not telling the truth then
i'm a felon i'm committing a crime and
that that would just be i mean you just
have to be able to ask yourself would i
be that stupid to come out and say what
i say and do what i do if i were
committing a felony if i were being a
total liar and i think the most
reasonable people would say
that's not the case now the other thing
that i've certainly tried to arrange
uh some other people have been trying to
help me do this to do probably a good
polygraph test uh because i think that
while polygraph tests are not the most
perfect thing in the world they're
actually a pretty good test of being
able to tell whether someone's being
mostly honest or whether someone is
being mostly deceitful and what we found
interestingly enough in the process of
trying to get someone to administer that
test is so far that no one that we've
been able to contact who administers
polygraphs test will administer that
test
not because they think i'm a liar but
because they know that if i pass that
test according to their professional
opinion they then have to give me their
stamp of approval
as having passed that test and the
people that we've asked are reluctant to
put their stamp of approval on a
positive test and that's why they're
reluctant to give the text not because
they think i'm lying they'd be you know
i think he's lying i want to give him
the test and prove it but they won't
give me the test just yet and we can't
find someone to do it anyway because if
i'm telling the truth they would have to
put their stamp of approval that i
passed the test in their professional
opinion and they're not willing to do
that
so um
in a way that's its own admission that
they think i'm telling the truth
okay fair enough uh yeah no i mean it's
it's a circus uh
logic but it makes sense uh you know
um
okay i'm seeing um
i don't know somebody says they're
seeing pictures of things on mars that
look like shoes parts of motors etc what
is that about how does it connect to
this reality do you know anything about
that
i've certainly seen some interesting
pictures uh recently and i a lot of them
are you know referenced from these very
from the rover and from some of the
other lander pictures and so forth been
coming out so um
most of them look legit to me in the
sense that i have not seen like a whole
bunch of photoshopped uh pictures and
some of them look like their reference
to the actual you know they've got the
links to the actual site from the nasa
or the usa site or whatever so um
and and i certainly would think that
there's a ton of interesting debris uh
on the surface of that planet so
you're gonna see all kinds of stuff once
you start getting good high-definition
close-up pictures of things so i
wouldn't be surprised if some of
many of those metal parts and you know
what looked like rocks and discs and car
parts could very well be just machine
cars could be wreckage from things that
you know we had or things that crashed
or got blown up i mean you know there
was a long war and a lot of hardware
that got blown apart on that planet i'm
sure we didn't pick up every scrap so
i'm sure there's stuff lying all over
the place um
one of the more interesting uh pictures
that i saw
was a
really good picture from one of the
orbiters from the esa orbiters that
showed the silhouette of a skyscraper i
mean where you can still see three sides
of it you know sticking up out of the
ground and you could practically count
the floors by looking at the light
coming through you know the window areas
in the building i mean it's obviously
the building is you know gone in the
middle and it's it's you know it's a
wreckage of a skeleton of a skyscraper
there but there's like two buildings
right next to each other and they're
obviously not natural structures they're
obviously constructed structures like
you would see it you know a hiroshima
building or something after a bomb blew
it up or something like that but
obviously you know like an old
skyscraper or something like that so i
think that there's a ton of interesting
stuff on mars that was there got buried
that we've blown up that's been
distributed all over the place i mean
really it's just stuff everywhere there
so i wouldn't necessarily believe every
picture you've seen uh because some of
them might be people photoshopping
things or messing with them but
there's a lot of good pictures out there
and there's a lot of good photographic
evidence that people are really digging
up i'm not an expert on that i know
alfred uh lambermont wherever he's got a
bunch of pictures and he was showing me
a couple of things and he was talking
about photographs that he's seen and has
as well so there's a bunch of really
good evidence coming out right now from
mars it's just still being denied
officially no no that's just a rock you
know but it's it's pretty clear from
people who know what non you know
geological features look like that
they're not geological features
okay uh just a side question uh in terms
of the troops that you encountered uh or
were you aware of other governments in
other words uh say russian speaking
chinese speaking any any troops that you
were uh sort of interacting with that
were working in battle beside you
on mars or even when you were based on
the moon um as a pilot did you encounter
uh in other words members of the secret
space program that were not
from the us not speaking english oh yeah
absolutely no the uh our division on the
ground and the mdf was an international
group for sure
and the
pilots on the nautilus were also an
international group for sure so i'd say
it was possible to run into anybody from
any of the g
you know
10
countries uh they're certainly all
participating in the covert space
program so
okay when you say g10 are you including
china
yeah absolutely okay
they were at that time they they were
you know in a cooperative space with us
at that time i can't say whether that's
the same
as it has been you know since the last
seven years i know there's some tensions
that have been growing uh among some of
the different state organizations but at
the time absolutely japanese chinese
okay and in terms of the the moon
experience uh did you come in contact
with beings who had bases on the moon
no i certainly saw them flying over the
surface of the of the back side of the
moon you could see these other uh
structures and other bases that you know
like hey who's is that is that ours no
that's not ours we can't you know why
are we going around that well that's not
ours we can't go over it we can't fly
over there airspace you know kind of a
thing so um definitely got pointed out
to me a few of the larger structures on
the backside of mooner that some of the
intergalactic stations of some of these
species who've been there for a very
very long time like some of them have
been there since you know before we ever
got up on the moon or before we had
civilization
okay i know you had exposure to graze
when you were uh very young or at least
one one exposure uh and and you
described that in depth when you talked
to mike asala an encounter with a gray
in your house
no it was not a zeta it was not a gray
that was a um
there's sort of a reptilian species uh
that
i mean they don't look very reptile at
all uh but they you know they sort of
have rectoid origins but they're
often refer to them as the bronze ones
because their skin color is kind of this
orangish blonde color but you know they
often refer to themselves as the
grandchildren of lee referring to the
emperor lee of china who was some
you know great
reptile dragon creature who brought
civilization to that part of the world
they're they're they're they're
i would say that they have a they're the
most non
unlike any other reptoids that i've
encountered they're very interesting and
they have a very um
fix-it view of the galaxy they're they
really feel like their job is to go
around and fix stuff that's really
really wrong and really really messed up
and not healthy they really see
themselves as kind of like white blood
cells in the galaxy and going around and
trying to cure cancer and disease
wherever they go okay but as far as uh
are you aware of a gray base uh a base
of gray grays
on them on the moon
uh not anymore
there wouldn't be any more and their
forward operation up excuse me they're
forward operating based on danny mead we
bombed into the bronze age i mean we
absolutely wiped it off the map so there
there are no more zetas in the solar
system allowed they are not legally
operating in the solar system anymore if
they are here they are not supposed to
be here and i'd say that most of them
are just gone if anybody's really
if you're seeing them anymore people are
seeing them anymore they're probably at
you know cloned avatars the people are
tele-operating or that some other
species is tele-operating or that even
our military government might be using
in order to uh cover up their activities
by going no see it was the alien the
alien did it um
are you aware that there are many races
of greys
uh my understanding is we had there are
two major factions with two or three
sub-factions of each of the major two uh
varieties so well i was aware of five
different classifications in the ebe
manual for the zetas
okay um yeah i'm not talking about zeta
grace i'm talking about grays that are
uh actually they are reptilian
and there's various kinds of grays uh
you know that have been described blue
grays uh etc they are not related to the
zetas the zetas being a completely
different race
um yeah there are hundreds in fact uh
well
it it is interesting on what you've been
told uh did you ex were you exposed to
like you you said you didn't you weren't
able to have interaction with any races
on the moon um but you knew there were
other beings there so if you didn't see
zetas there you i'm taking it that you
didn't see grays either
no no no absolutely not when i when i
was on the moon we didn't really see
much of anybody other than other human
personnel and again we went over a few
of the bases and that were clearly
occupied by other extraterrestrial
beings but no never got to see him on
the moon
okay so you don't know what kind of
beings those were that inhabited those
bases
none whatsoever that was not uh privy to
me at all
okay um
all right well i think we've kept you
for for long enough here and and you
know there's obviously a million more
questions that could be asked and i know
i know there are more questions here in
the chat coming coming by my my uh
as we go here um but you've been so you
know so gracious and and really
explicit in terms of your answers and i
think people really do appreciate that
um it's a great opportunity for for
everyone and uh you know
this will sort of go into the annals of
of people that are coming forward
and hopefully we'll continue to come
forward obviously you have the blessing
of a million you know an officer that is
uh you sort of report to on some level
and and you're doing this as a service
to humanity i assume
um so i i want to thank you for that and
uh
and you know if there's any parting
words that you'd like to to say
um sure i'll i'll just add to that in
itself that i again i know other people
who are you know behind me who have not
you know said that they're ready to go
public at this point we're still trying
to sort out what's happening with them
and in some cases with their chain of
command and i know that in some cases
those people are also working with their
chains of command and whether they uh
get approval to come forward or or what
the kind of approval they get to come
forward or how that works is you know
going to be more active between them and
in their chain of command and it's going
to have to do with me but there's going
to be more things happening and and i
would expect to
uh you know be expecting that um i think
my only parting words would have to be
that
i i my reasons for doing this are
many uh but my main reason for doing
this is because i'm a believer in
something called civilization
and i believe that the line between
civilization and barbarism is so very
tenuous and so very thin at any given
time that if we forget
to pursue civilization then we are very
very likely to tip into a state of
barbarism which i think is kind of what
we've been doing this last century and
we're pushing pushing civilization and
then
something happened and we stopped
pushing
civilization and i think the way that
happened is because we took all of the
advancements that were happening in
civilization and we started keeping them
a secret and we only let some people
have access to you know magnetographic
space propulsion energy and we only gave
access to some people to amazing medical
technology that can repair damaged limbs
and broken limbs and severed limbs i
mean you can grow you a new arm or a new
leg
um can cure you of cancer and any other
number of diseases that could affect the
body i think we we stopped that progress
into civilization we started moving into
that slipping towards barbarism and we
stopped
sharing all of the fruits of
civilization and when some people
started to hoard it amongst themselves
so as a believer in civilization i am a
believer that we absolutely
must not maybe kind of sort of should
but must get all of the advancements of
civilization to give to everybody in the
world so that the entire planet can
still be civilized and that civilization
here on planet earth can move forward
for another 100 200 another thousand
years because i think if the moment that
we don't do that
is the moment that we truly risk
destroying civilization on planet earth
destroying humanity because what what
would come from that what civilization
or entity of militarized state that
would come from that would be the most
horrible anti-civilized civilization
that could happen in this corner of the
galaxy so either we move towards
civilization or we will move towards
barbarism even if that barbarism is a
more advanced technology barbarism than
we have now it will still not be
civilization so i think if anything the
reason i do what i do and the reason i
would hope that people
want to change things the way that i
would like to change things and the way
we all want to change things is because
we believe in civilization and because
we believe that civilization is better
than barbarism because we believe
talking things out
negotiating having a process for things
is better than using sticks and clubs
and poking people's eyes out and that
having a process for sharing resources
is better than some people being rich
and some people being you know
desperately poor and starving that
civilization is better civilization is
better than those choices but we have to
choose civilization or we will get
barbarism okay do you believe that we
have an invasion going on here on planet
earth of any of the species that you
encountered in outer space
yeah several of them probably at this
moment we have a number of infestations
we're trying to deal with uh none of
them i would say at this point are
completely civilization threatening most
of the things that are civilization
threatening are our own doing and the
second that you know our own people stop
sort of taking other people's advice uh
about what they should or should not be
doing the second that those uh et sort
of problems become a non-issue because
they're they're not really invasions per
se so much as ets were using humans to
do their bidding as long as they do
their bidding but the second that those
humans stop you know doing what those et
suggest that they do
then they they lose their power so
there's really only a tiny number that i
would consider to be here infested
giving us real problems really you know
thinking about invasion or harassing
invasion scenarios uh that we're
certainly dealing with and trying to get
rid of and solve those problems but it's
a short list it really is a short life
okay and with that list uh include the
uh the same beings as you encountered on
mars uh no not at all for any reason
that i can consider i mean draconian
reptiles or reptiles are a problem
everywhere and i know that we still have
issues with them uh and i would and i
would say that there's still a problem
that needs to be addressed and that they
have a certain entrenchment uh as well
in our in our solar system that we
haven't completely gotten rid of but i
wouldn't
i wouldn't call them
the invading or an invasion force i
would call them a dominating force which
you know has a dominating agenda which
is not the same thing as an invasion
agenda so invasion dominating the
species is not the same thing as
invading that species you can dominate a
species without invading them
okay uh so are you able to mention the
races that you think are invading earth
um
no since we're still doing
investigations and going after some of
them at this point i would i don't think
that i could talk about that all i can
say is that um
you know i mean if you encounter
anything
i'm saying this to anyone if you
encounter anything extraterrestrial or
non-human that you feel uh unsafe around
or that you feel
uh you know fearful or in danger of your
life best thing to do is to give put as
much distance between you and that thing
uh just to be on the safe side whether
it's a an actual fear response uh or a
real threat response that you're having
but best thing to do if you're not sure
about something just get away from it if
you don't if it doesn't feel safe or
doesn't feel right to you but i would
say that the the species that i'm
referring to are not out and about in
the public like you know causing sort of
mayhem in the public sphere what they're
doing is very specific very targeted uh
and persons that they would be targeting
or would be you know in their sphere or
there's not really any advice that i
could give to those people you're just
kind of getting me in a bad situation if
you encounter them uh and you might not
even know that they're extraterrestrial
they may be looking very very human at
the time so there's really not much you
can do as far as even even if i try to
give people a brief uh on those species
there's really not much i could tell you
that would be helpful and because we're
still sort of sorting them out there's
really not even much more information i
can tell you about them but i'd say
there's
you know less than i can count on my
hand you know of invasive species that
we're really concerned about or dealing
with as a threat well what about the
reptilians that are said to be
indigenous to earth you're familiar with
them absolutely
they are
not a threat they are not hostile uh
they're family you know they live here
with us they're brothers and sisters
they're family we now they're like
family we may not always get along you
know cousins fight siblings fight uh you
know siblings argue around the table who
gets to cut the turkey and who gets to
sit at the head of the table and who
gets to sit next to grandpa where are
the children disappearing off the planet
oh any number of places i mean we have
we have such a child trafficking problem
because we have a huge
uh number of you know just humans uh who
are engaging in child trafficking for
the purposes of
physical labor slavery and sex slavery
um
as well as some other pretty but you're
not aware of the reptilians having any
interest in those humans oh i mean i'm
saying there's a number of species that
are involved in humans and in child
abductions and the missing children so i
mean there's just there's no necessarily
it's just so many human beings are
abducting children and then some of
those children are being
parceled out to other human beings or
sold to extraterrestrials in some cases
but i mean and some extraterrestrials
you know have their own abduction
programs for such things so the problem
is is the children are not safe
and so anyone who has the ability anyone
who thinks that a child is a resource
for any reason and has the ability to
steal them and make a profit of them is
going to be into the child trafficking
business right now
we have billions of them
okay
uh
but did you encounter any uh children
groups of children showing up on mars or
were you not exposed to that
uh no that would have been something i
never saw or experienced so if there was
a trafficking thing and they were moving
you know ships full of kids to mars to
somewhere else i never saw it or never
would have been somewhere where that was
taking place so i don't know about that
i just do know that you know kids are
being abducted for all kinds of things
you know some of them are for tech you
know experiments scientific experiments
super soldier experiments psychics by
experiments plus sometimes just any
number of other things and i don't want
to go down the horrible terrible list of
all the things that you know people use
children for but um it's really
unfortunate it's really sad it's it we
consider it to be one of the main
problems that we're dealing with and
we're trying to sort out so i when i
talk about this i don't just want to
talk about it like oh all the muslim
children what do we do i mean it's
absolutely one of our top priorities to
be trying to sort it out and deal with
it um there's just not much more i can
say about it because it's it's their act
so much of an active case
uh load of what we're doing with that
there's really not much i can say
okay all right at this point i'm gonna
thank you very much uh again for
participating in this uh and and i'm
sure that people will find this
extremely beneficial uh you know as i
said it will go it will be
rebroadcast here on live stream tonight
as once we hang it up and then also uh
be available as soon as i can upload it
to youtube tomorrow so i'll get you the
links in case you want to post them on
your on your site and i'd love that yeah
thanks and you know it takes tremendous
courage to do what you're doing uh i
want to thank you for that and uh again
for your patience with the questions for
the you know bringing the detail uh when
when requested is as much as you are
able to do and uh you know i guess we'll
see what goes on from here
so i hope we can bring you back sometime
in the future and um thank you again
oh thank you carrie i would love to come
back and i really appreciate the
specific questioning and the trying to
get at the detail oriented again i think
i said i spend a lot of time trying to
run through stuff and answer questions
and people are often fireballing
questions really fast so no i really
appreciate the in-depth approach and the
opportunity to try and be specific and
clarify things because i know i get i'm
getting feedback that sometimes that
rushing through stuff is not being very
clear for people and they're having
questions or little misconceptions about
what i'm saying
so i'm really happy uh to be able to try
and clear it up whenever possible so i
really appreciate it thank you thank you
for having me
okay all right you take care and uh
thanks everyone for listening and um
yeah thank you for your for your service
to humanity thank you semper fi okay
bye-bye
you