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area 51
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he's driving home about the time i get
to los angeles and get my cell phone i
said bobby says
where the hell are you and i said well i
accidentally got on the wrong airplane
i'm in los angeles so
that was the big laugh for about five
years john lear gets on the wrong
airplane
okay with your ideas in there and
they're they're pretty cutting edge
basically
do your friends agree with you
i don't have any friends
come on john
i don't believe you uh frank you're one
of the most charming guys we've come
across
my good friend bob lazar thinks i'm nuts
so does he really yeah
he told us at the birthday party and he
works on ufos so as a matter of fact if
he'll reach behind you i would like to
read his birthday present to me it's
that cup
that says jl
right just hand it over here
okay now bob lazar had this made for me
and this is my birthday present
basically what this is what does it say
periodic table of elements and
the the
the periodic table of 116 is jl
and it says it's a human solid
and the atomic mass is 256.80
and it has all the the stuff there and
then it says
element john lear occurrence found
primarily in nevada
physical properties
jl is a rare and unstable element
it is best known for its remarkable
ability to resist common sense and facts
applied liberally jl has been known to
improve the quality of lawns it is also
known to absorb great quantities of
expensive substances
it is one of the most powerful money
reducing agents known to man
prolonged exposure to this element can
cause severe physical mental and
financial damage
that's
great okay and you've told us uh off
camera that bob lazar has gone back in
working for the government yeah he works
back at uh almost national laboratories
what's he working on
i have no idea uh one of the things that
he told us is when he went back to work
they had a short chat with him and
before they gave him his clearance they
said
now bob
you're not going to cause us any more
problems are you
and he said no
well they basically threatened him to
get him to come back in isn't that right
i mean he was having all kinds of
problems right before that
i
didn't hear that part okay but he's been
inside for about four years i think so
okay
and you're saying that it's possible he
might give interviews
uh yeah yeah he did the travel channel a
couple years ago and just the other day
did somebody else you know but
it would be best that you did not
mention my name
just call him up out of the blue okay
but he's your friend right
yeah yeah he's he's a good friend he
came to my birthday party and it was
really great well as i've told you um
i used to have two wicker chairs here
in 1987 i started talking about
ufos i gave a lecture at the spring
valley laboratory library
well it created such a ruckus here in
las vegas people were calling
there were people wanting to interview
me i mean it just exploded
and of course it disrupted my family
here because people were calling merely
eventually had my phone shut off she
took all my ufo files i mean it was bad
and so uh in 1988
a guy called
he said my name is genov i'm a real
estate appraiser and i'd like to get
some of your tapes and stuff i said gene
i'm out of it you know it's almost cost
me my family um
i uh
i'm just not doing he says okay well you
know if you ever want to trade some
tapes i'll trade you a uh a real estate
appraisal for it and i said oh wait a
minute because you know i needed some
money i said i'll tell you what i'll get
you those tapes and
you appraise my house so he came over uh
the day after that
to do the measurements of course he had
no idea it was 7 700 square feet uh he's
complained ever since because he had to
do such a huge house for just a couple
of tapes
and some information well anyway when he
came over he brought this guy named bob
lazar and he introduced him to me uh he
was bob was the guy to hold in the end
of the measuring tape and he said bob
used to work at los alamos national
laboratories and
he lives in town now and develops photos
and
so i said great you know so gene and i
are talking about ufos and bob was
rolling his eyes he said you guys are
nuts this could not be true i worked at
los alamos i had acute clearance if it
had been true i would have known about
it i did enough snooping around there so
he didn't want to hear about any of this
stuff so anyway
that was like uh in june of 88 so
over the next four or five months
uh
gene and i uh and bob exchanged
information and bob
you know he there was four
three or four things that that pushed
him over of
this is totally ridiculous that it might
be true and one of them was in those
days we knew about a secret facility at
los alamos called y dash 2. and we my
information was that it was where they
held aliens there
and then there was
something else but anyway bob found out
yeah there was y white h2 and yeah it
was way more classified than he could in
he and there was like three or four
things and anyway in november that was
when bob decided that well you know
i think i'll see if i can get a job up
at area 51. so
he called dr teller who we knew from los
alamos and uh i think i was there when
bob talked to him and tell her said do
you want to work out here at uh lawrence
livermore with me or there in nevada and
bob said i want to work at groom lake
and so tyler said okay well let me get
back with you so then
bob had three interviews
down at eg g and he would come up here
after each interview
and i remember after a six second
interview the first question was do you
know john lear and
what's your what do you think of john
lear and bob said yeah i know him and uh
i think he sticks his nose into places
where it doesn't belong and bob told me
what i didn't tell them was i also like
to stick my nose into places where it
doesn't belong
so he got his third interview and he
told us you know he aced him because
they talked about
really technical stuff
and he he just laid it out and he said i
did a good job anyway the next thing i
know is december 6th
of 1988 bob comes sits down and and
he says i saw a disc today and i'm
writing out checks there you know i'm
not paying attention i said what
i saw a disc today and
a disc there's her arms
and he said theirs i said you went to
groom lake and he said yeah and i said
what are you doing here i said obviously
i'm going to follow you why don't you
just you know work there for a while and
then come and tell us what happened he
says
because i have seen you take so much
crap
over the past six months
about this i'm telling you it's real i
saw it i touched it you know and
then we spent about two hours talking
about stuff
and uh
it was just totally shocking and uh okay
and then but tell us that story i mean
we got it on the other tape but it's
just so much fun where he he sits down
and says
john it's never you'll never know what
it is that was that was uh january
and uh you've been up there two or three
times or four or five now i don't know
how many and i remember january it was a
bitter cold i had a short sleeve a shirt
on like this and bob comes in and sits
there and
and
you know
he's just on he's lit
and he wants to talk about something and
we already knew we shouldn't talk in
here so we went out by the pool and
merrily's coming this way and you know
what are you two doing
you know
we're going out you know to talk you
know and she's suspicious of anything
anyway so she doesn't believe that for a
second but she doesn't she lets us go so
we went out in that little back place by
the stable
and
i'm looking at him said what what what
he said john
you will never know what it's like to
see your first alien i said you saw one
you saw one he said yeah i said it
couldn't have been a doll it could have
it no it was one
and you know these days you ask him that
question he says well i don't know could
have been a doll they were doing all
these weird stuff but that night
that's exactly what he said
and i said how did abby says well i was
walking down the corridor he said i got
a guard on each side and he said i
walked by this door and there's like a
12 inch window pane it has wires through
it and i looked through it and there's
two
guys
lab in lab coats facing me and an alien
standing up
talking to him now did i show you that
picture
no i don't think so because he drew it
for me oh really draw me
yeah absolutely yeah
these are a lot of stuff i
get from bob for instance
here's how security clearance works
the lowest clearance you can get is top
secret
and uh then above that there's 28 levels
of top secret crypto
and then above that there's 10 levels
now these aren't the real names except
the top one is majestic now each one of
these are compartmentalized so that you
may have top secret crypto
25 but you don't get to know all that
information all you get to know is what
you're cleared for in other words when
you get top secret groups of 25 somebody
doesn't come and tell you this is all
the stuff that the guys the top secret
25 get to know it's compartmentalized so
we had this to show that the president
united states is like top secret crypto
17 he doesn't need to know very much
he's a figurehead he's told what to do
yeah
so he doesn't really need to know all
this the last pres my understanding the
last president that that was given any
kind of a briefing um
was
president uh nixon
ford knew a little bit um
reagan knew a little bit of course bush
knew something because he was you know
director of cia that doesn't mean they
tell the director of the cia anything
he's an appointed office and they hate
appointees so he knew that for other
reasons but anyway this is how that
chart worked and
these are the uh
when
bob decided not to go back to work um
for the
the government we took him into three
got three
regressive hypnosis action sessions and
they were elaine keck and lane was
supposed to be at my birthday party and
i don't remember why he didn't come or
maybe he did come
i think he did come we'll see on that
dvd but he did the
uh regressions for bob and what we tried
it was extremely interesting the first
one we didn't get because the tape
recorder broke and and uh gene huff has
those on notes but the second one i had
the second one and that's where we tried
to pull the um
information out of and i'll tell you
what here uh later if you want i have a
transcript of the second one
and i'll let you read it because it's
extremely interesting
that is right
this is
when bob was telling me how you went
forward and backward in time
and um
okay that's i was going to ask you that
so bob worked on time travel didn't he
he didn't work on it he was briefed on
it see when he went up new teller he
must
and he worked at los alamos he only knew
teller because he met him
that day in front of los alamos when
teller was giving the speech and bob and
bob was on the cover of the los alamos
times with his jet car and he walked up
to dr keller and said that's who uh you
re i'm the guy you're reading down and
the doctor says oh really neat and they
had a little chat that's the only place
he knew him from he didn't work with him
but he did work at los alamos and he did
listen to tell her time
so
bob when he went up to
s4
they he said uh they asked you have to
choose what you want to do you can't
have a little bit of it all you have to
choose you know you want to be you know
work on this or that and
bob
wanted to work on reverse engineering
the propulsion that was his job but he
got briefed on all this and what he's
showing me here is how you go forward in
time which is just um
exerting a strong gravitational pull
and how you go aft and he started
drawing it like that and then he put his
squirrels on
so anyway these were the
bob lazar 1987 he was drawing me the
different
shapes
of uh vehicles that were at s4 and this
one what he's doing here is he's showing
me one had been hit by a projectile
and
when i first
see here
when i first started showing bob the
pictures of the moon
uh and showing him stuff
that was on there
um
you know i i was saying look at this
look at this you know vapor and this and
that and
he kind of looked at me real skeptical
i mean he said you know john i walked
out the door and then walking out of the
door of his home he says you know john
if any of this stuff is true i'm going
to have to kill myself
and so i said you know why don't i get
that on paper bob so i had him sign this
thing that says i bob lazar promised to
kill myself if any of john's mood stuff
is true sign la babozar august 23rd
1996.
well
what happened is when i finally got
somebody you know when i ordered that
photograph from nasa
you know they sent me the negative
it was a it was a 16 by 20 negative
right and it took me
you know five or six years before the
technology got even to las vegas
to make a positive that size negative so
when i got it i took it over to bob's
house
and uh
um
there's a little one right here ah
this was the first i got and i took it
over to bob and he scanned it and those
are the scans went on ats and so up here
uh i'll let you do a close-up of later
there's obviously what looks like a
parking garage so
bob looks at it and looks at it looks
like he says yeah
i gotta admit that that is not natural
that that is something and so
i said you know bob um
we've been friends for a long time and
and you know i know you're a man of your
honor and
you you have agreed that if any of my
moon stuff was true that you would kill
yourself
and he says well is there any way i can
get out of it and i said yeah yeah as a
matter of fact why don't you just sign
this statement here
and this is august 20 august 5th 1998
this is two years later says i bob lazar
in return for not having to honor my
commitment to kill myself if any of
john's moon's truffles true to freely
admit that the object in the crate of
copernicus on the moon saved his apple
crate is a box which i don't know what
is doing there sign bob lazar now that's
the best i could get him to do but that
that is really
the what i the infamous parking garage
on ats that i show everybody and people
say no i don't see a parking garage but
i'll do i'll show you the enlargements
later but
anyway
these are some more this is the original
drawing he did
on how the anime anime
any
matter reactor worked and this is how he
showed me the arches were in the uh
in the uh
and that was what year
this is all
between um
no uh december
and march of uh december of 1988 march 9
1899
and uh
these are the notes i kept
um
meeting with bob lazar november 2nd 1988
because because i typed up this stuff i
see yeah now did he draw an alien for
you or not yeah
you got it there
i realized that's what we read to get
this now
the original is is blue and i'm sure
it's here somewhere but this is the
original
drawing he made me uh
drawn by bob lazar december 1988 january
1988 this game is at s4
position of gray in relation to two
scientists in lab coat size orientation
and construction of window through which
he saw
scientists and the gray so
this is we were see he was scribbling
all over this is the test site and
whereas four was
this was the length of the hangars 365
feet and each bay was 40 feet long
this was how the
saucers sat in the hangar and this
drawing right here
is the two
and these this is what bob drew
these are the two lab
uh technicians and that's the little
alien facing the other way and he drew
the door
and he drew that
wire going through the window he said he
looked through that and saw those guys
right there
that's great did they ever uh have any
exposure like communication with them
yeah three times at least three times
really
and i'll just show this because this was
on the back side a piece of paper this
is aurora and this was the airplane we
have that cruises at 250 000 feet and
goes mach 12 and that was in 1988 and
this is what it looked like when he
stepped down from the boeing 737 when he
walked down the ramp
this way that thing was parked towards
him so he was looking up the tail and he
said it was absolutely enormous he said
there was two giant squares where the
exhaust was and he said a man would like
you know look like a
a a little doll
you know standing in those wow from
behind
he's looking at it from behind yeah
so he doesn't know exactly he just
assume that that's what it looked like
in plan view
so anyway uh the three times that he saw
the alien was
the first time
um
was when they gave him the pine smelling
fluid
and
um
what they did it's really interesting
when bob uh
came in here the very first day
and he started he said i saw this guy
said and he used to wear a ring and i
forget which on finger which finger it
was on
he i said okay now listen to me bob
they're going to
uh
they're gonna give you some drugs and to
make you forget what you're doing so
what i want you to do is when they take
you in to give you the drugs i want to
take i want you to take your ring off
subtly and put it on your other hand you
won't remember but when you come up to
see me i'll see it and you'll know
you already take the drugs he said they
already did that today i thought they
did he said and he described this
elaborate drug test of you know how they
took a needle and they put put a
rectangle on his
scratched a rectangle on his arm and
then made lines like this and lines like
that and then they'd take stuff and
they'd put into each little square like
that and then they took him into a room
and he said the room was
just like a regular doctor's office
under the couch and he lied he laying on
the couch and he said there was a screen
and blocking something and he said he
knew the alien the gray was behind it
then there was a military guy with an
m16 and a doctor and a nurse
and they had him drink the pine smelling
fluid
and he drank the cup and immediately he
felt you know dizzy and he said he
described exactly what he felt like he
said he felt like he was in a well that
was a hundred feet deep that his arms
were 100 feet long and he was just
holding on
to the sides of the well just barely
with his fingertips that's what he felt
like he said then they started to read
the clearance
with which he was at the briefing of the
clearance with with he was being given
so they'd say you know they'd read a
sentence and say and i understand that
you know i am being briefed and at the
end the soldier would take the m16 and
poke it into his stomach like that
and he said it really hurt and each
different phase of the clearance the
soldier would take the m16 and poke it
into his solar plexus
so
and so in the tapes that lane keck did
when we were trying to get the
information out you know they told him a
lot of really interesting stuff and when
we would get to you know well what's
going to happen in the future you know
he'd say i'm not supposed to talk about
that and then lane would try to work
around it with some subtly and bob would
grab it said no i can't it hurts oh and
so that was
like a programming thing right so did he
ever do the ring
the the ring trick no because he had
already done it you know he said they
already did he had to keep going to work
so
see the reason he quit
was because when we got caught you know
he he invited us up to see the flying
saucer flights mate on may 21 or march
21st
1989 and i have that tape right here and
i'll show you it's only
nine minutes long we took that celestron
eight and we saw
um
you know he told us when it was gonna
fly and me and
gene are right there and i focused in on
it and
um
i saw a flying saucer you know and it
was you know tilted about 40 degrees and
it was gold and it had the stuff
radiating off and i said quick gene
quick take a look and uh as i stepped
back i hooked my my
foot around the thing so
uh that came up at the birthday party
because everybody at the birthday party
was supposed to tell a john lear story
and that was bob's story and okay well
also the story about getting stopped on
the road and the the
guns and the car then that was when the
night county sheriff stopped us
and
that was the third time we got caught
but the point of that story was that
when they took him in the next morning
to indian springs which is the center of
all the security and took him out of the
car with a gun in his ear they said now
bob
when we gave you this clearance it meant
you were not supposed to tell all your
friends about the flying saucers now do
you want to work here or not
and that's when bob was non-committal
because the last two flights he had
taken up to
groom lake he could remember walking up
the steps and walking down
but he couldn't remember anything in
between and he said he didn't want to
work on a program like that well what
about the tall whites because from what
i understand you know charles hall talks
about the tall whites being out at
indian wells
that area you know anything about that
bob ever talk about the tall whites
no no only the graves and they only had
the three times the once is when the
pine smelling fluid
and
the once was
seeing them in the
in the room
and then once when george knapp hired
tavernady to come up and do the lie
detector test
uh george
rented a room in cedars palace and bob
and jean huff got there early and they
knew the room
and so they pulled the door open
and
gene pulled the door open bob looked
inside and he turned white nearly
fainted and he walked over and sat down
in chair and
jane says what in the heck is the matter
with you
and bob said i just had a flashback he
said
i remember
talking with the gray and what had
happened is when they opened the door
the way that tavern eddie had said set
up there was just it wasn't very much
light it was one single table with a
chair on one side and a chair on the
other side and some equipment there it
triggered this reaction of bob when he
was reading the briefings and the grave
was across from him and it was such an
overwhelming experience of when you
first you know are in the presence of a
gray
when
you know you're used to asking a
question and then having somebody
respond but when you're talking to an
alien they pick it up from your mind and
they're answering before you can get out
of your mouth and it gets confusing and
it was just a normal overwhelming
experience so that was the other time
that bob had the uh now now you do you
think that he'll go on camera with this
stuff i doubt it but you know you never
know what he's going to do you never
know what he's going to do so let me
look through here um
this is the page well then we were
trying to think of the guy he worked
with castrolone but i i think we finally
determined what the guy's name was and
uh george knapp has it but i don't know
what uh
so is george knapp working for the
agency
no for example externally oh you mean
undercover
you know i don't know george knows a lot
of stuff
um
and he had me on um a couple months ago
and what he was doing was a story on
sandia sandy is the most
secret not the most it's the
the secret base here that replaced groom
lake uh area 51 and it's out on the
paiute mesa and i got a map of it here
um
they started building it in 1980
and uh finished in 1987 so it's now 20
years old uh about you know four or five
thousand people work out there i mean
it's a huge underground base absolutely
enormous i mean there's
great big uh uh
cylinders of
offices and stuff that go you know a
mile deep
and then out on the
out on the test site there's a couple of
runways with all new hangars there and
everything it's just a massive operation
so when george went up there to film it
and he couldn't find it and
and but anyway i'll show you as a matter
of fact i have to have it here on dvd
i'll show you the exact thing that we
did uh i told him that uh one of the
interesting things was was that
how do we get the people out there they
can't drive out there because it's too
far can't have that many people on
highway 93 or 95 because we'll be
exposing that stuff we can't put them on
the 737s because they're already full
now you know and we can't put on more
airplanes going out there so what they
did is they built a high-speed train
that goes from sandia down to vegas and
what they did is they put the stops
under two of the major hotels so that
the guys you know just look like
gamblers or you know hotel guests
walking in there and they go in there
they open a door do the card key and go
down you know to the thing it was great
how they do that which hotels you know
uh yeah but i'm not gonna say
uh
that's great so i gotta show you taken
the train
you know where it is you're gonna you
know
i've been meaning to go down there you
know what i try to stay out of trouble
here's the
the
the los alamos monitor that bob that dr
teller was reading when bob was okay
yeah
that's great stuff
yeah i have a friend jim goodall and he
said i'm coming down there and we're
going to go up to the test site and i
said you know i used to do that stuff
but i'm still alive so you know it's all
the same to you
i don't want to do it
here's three things that um
i wrote down that were important
uh
i i came up with the speed of time and
bob said you know i told him what it was
he said that's correct but he said who
cares
and what i said was the speed of time is
directly proportional to the amplitude
of the gravitational flux in other words
the speed of time is dependent on
gravity
and then bob told me to theorize that
there is one black hole for every galaxy
it's theorized that every black hole has
its own galaxy
hiv the protein code is on the virus
itself
and the recycle time of the gravity
amplifiers is 10 milliseconds now the
hiv have we talked about hiv oh no but
we can definitely go there um
aids was invented by our a navy surgeon
named r.m donner and when bob read the
read the briefing up at s4
uh one of the things that impressed him
is that in the paper
all the briefings he read were you know
50 100 pages with a blue cover and they
were scattered on this table and he
could take each one and what it was was
that
as he progressed his clearance
these briefings would say this is one
briefing it would be stapled here and as
his clearance uh progressed you know
they would unstaple a few more pages but
anyway on the briefing of aids and i
have the uh
it's probably in here because i wrote a
whole thing on what he told us it was
developed you know to
get rid of a certain segment of or
number of human but
it was
developed by rm donner and
it has the exact cure for aids and it
has to do with the uh cucumber uh
trichosanthes chirali which was only uh
grown in china we tried to get it out of
china
three attempts but
however they know somebody knows and
each one had been cooked either by a
microwave or something as a pass-through
custom so it's impossible to get it out
but i'll read you um the exact cure and
how it works and if you could we have a
contact right now who says he worked on
that um on engineering
the aids virus in africa
uh
possible but it wasn't in africa it was
here and it was released in africa but
it was developed up at escort
so bob and i looked for rm donner we
found him he lived in um
santa fe
and we he was retired and we went to see
him
several times because bob then had the
contract for
the repairing the alpha probes
and uh
what we used to do is we used to drive
to los alamos from here
it was a 16-hour drive
and um
bob had a friend there
and it used to take us like 24 hours to
rebuild all these alpha pros there was
like 300 of them
and we'd clean them all up and then
rewire them and then put the
aluminum
tape on them and then we drive back
the last
they scan for radiation of the people
that go in and work in in los alamos oh
and bob had the contract so
we did that about every six weeks
so
what we do is we try to um
we knew where uh donner worked and we go
there and we missed him every time and
then we finally got his home address
and we went to his home and we could
never catch him home now whether he's
not answering the door or whether he's
not really there
or whether we didn't really have an
address i think we did
we nev we never
um
we never
met up with him now
when bob started to make some money on
the
photo business and the alpha probes
he actually
we actually
went on the airline to go to albuquerque
and we'd rent a car
to go up to los alamos so this one day
and the same things happened on this one
day and i told this in the john lear
stories i'm going to tell this on myself
so
i have trouble recognizing earth people
for some reason
i just can't if you know if i if i don't
i haven't known him for 25 and even if i
do know him for 25 years it's hard for
me to pick him out of a crowd so
what we would do is to go to albuquerque
bob would buy a ticket on southwest
and i jump seat with my airline id so
one morning we get ready to go we're
going to leave at seven o'clock and
i go to the airport and i don't want to
get on the airplane unless he's on it
and i walked up and down at all the
passengers and looked very carefully i
couldn't find bob so i didn't want to
get on if he wasn't there and i couldn't
reach him at home
so
when everybody got on
i asked the flight attendant i said hey
i'm a jumpsuit on but i want to be sure
a friend of mine could you announce
ask bob lazar to ring his call button
well of course what i had forgotten is
on this particular flight going to
albuquerque that's all the sandia and
other guys that go on this flight so
when the flight attendant would would
bob lazar please ring his call button of
course the whole
airplane everybody starts laughing
because they think it's a joke
that's great so anyway he rang his call
but i realized he was there so i got in
the jump seat and
went to albuquerque we got rented a car
drove up to los alamos and for some
reason this day
everything went perfect i mean we just
slid through that thing in about eight
hours
and so we realized
that we could drive back get on the
airplane
and have dinner at our favorite italian
restaurant called parma's
so we pack all this stuff up and write
the bill we go tearing down the mountain
from los alamos to albuquerque and down
down the freeway we
screech into the rent-a-car place
jump right on the van that's just
pulling out get to the airport bob runs
up you know and gives his ticket i run
up you know and sign my you know jump
seat you know
run in they close the door i run sit
down
and i heard the captain say
uh welcome to south west airlines 304 on
our flight today to los angeles
and i realized that
i had run down the the wrong
gangway and
got on the wrong airplane so meanwhile
bob is on the airplane waiting for me
and he sees him shut the door and he
can't figure out where i went so all the
way to las vegas you know he says well
maybe he got into the cockpit and
and i didn't see him
so they get to las vegas
and uh you know it takes much longer to
get to los angeles so i couldn't call
him and he gets to las vegas and he goes
up in the cockpit and i'm not there and
he cannot understand
how we could have been so close and and
i didn't get on the airplane
so he's driving home about the time i
get to los angeles and get my cell phone
i said bob he says
where the hell are you and i said well i
accidentally got on the wrong airplane
i'm in los angeles so
that was the big laugh for about five
years john lear gets on the wrong
airplane
the information that bob got up at s4
was aids is a virus that is protected by
the protein coat on the rna preventing
the antibodies the t4 cells
of the immune system from detecting and
eliminating it
the alleged cure for aids lies in the
excrement of the white fungus that's
grown from the chinese cucumber
trichosanthus chiralawi
this excrement which develops after
about two or three weeks
is separated with hydrazine sulfate and
an acidification process which dissolves
the protein coat on the rna and exposes
the nucleus of the virus that's detected
by the antibodies of the immune system
regardless of how weak the immune system
is the virus will be destroyed
no more than 20 cc dose per 36 hour
period should be administered
no antibiotics should be used during
this period the 20 ccs are metabolized
in 36 hours having dissolved the protein
coat on the virus
and i mentioned here over the last 20
years i've been partied to several
attempts
to get samples of the track of santa's
carolina out of china but all have met
with failure the last
samples having been cooked during
departure procedures
now the october surprise
is
in 1980
when reagan and bush
were running against carter and mondale
as you know the hostages were still
in iran in tehran
and
then vice president or then bush
took an uh an airplane
uh
to paris to meet
not with
the khomeini but a representative the
khomeini and the deal was
um
if the kameni would delay the release of
the hostages
until
reagan's inauguration that the reagan
bush administration would supply him
the ira iranian regime unlimited guns
and ammunition throughout their
administration which would go from 1980
to 1988.
my
part in that was to deliver those guns
and ammunition from tel aviv to tehran
the reason i brought this up is that big
sheath of papers over there is the
details of who was flying
and how they pulled the whole thing off
the way they pulled it off is
bush left saturday night
on a back 111 jet which only took about
six or seven hours to get there he only
spent about four or five hours in the
meeting
and then
he was flown back in an sr-71
from a base in france to maguire air
force base
and it only took an hour and 14 minutes
that way he was able to show up for a
tennis appointment that he had on uh
sunday and that the press would have not
known of the
of the lapsing time or the trip and as
it turned out they were elected and they
supplied these guns and ammunition and
that was you know part of the iran
contra but congress never went back as
far farther than 1985 to find out when
it originally started and when i moved
to
egypt in
1981 that was going to be my job was to
take those
arms and ammunition from
isr from tel aviv
to tehran they were coming into tel aviv
from zaragoza our air force base in
spain and mossad was handling the whole
thing
the reason i never did fly a flight and
the reason was the first airplane in
uh was a uh
argentinian cl-44 and what they wanted
to do was use an old turbo pop airplane
to be sure everything went fine and
there were going to be no problems and
for some reason it got shot down on its
way out and it got shot down over russia
about 40 miles south of yerevan
and which is well inside russia and the
mossad couldn't figure out how
the people the pilots got off course
they were on their way out they had
dropped a load or you know already
let the dump the arms and ammunition off
and um
they've finally figured out that what
must have happened is the pilots were
intercepted by the russian migs who knew
what was going on and didn't like it
and
the pilot thought well you know might as
well follow him because we've got
nothing on board they can't prove
anything and then as soon as they got
him over rush it just shot us their ass
down which was a message to mossad hey
we don't want this to go on
so
uh though that big sheath of papers you
know was the history behind the
um october surprise there were two books
one gary sick and barbara honaker each
wrote books about it
congress
went as far as to actually launch an
official investigation in 1990 but was
all covered up because you know nobody
wanted to go back that far hear any more
stories about that thing but the
hostages did spend see october november
december an extra three uh four months
there so reagan could be elected right
incredible and uh
a lot of people know this story but you
know it's been what 30 years and pretty
much everybody's funny the only reason i
brought it up is because i'm putting
that the history there of who the pilots
were
what about um what do you know anything
about the mono
the recent incident with the manoa air
force base and the weapons that were fl
the nuclear
warheads that were attached that smells
to i haven't i followed that on ats it
was very very thorough it was one of my
favorite threads it went on forever and
we had some guys at ats that really knew
what they were talking about and that
was extremely interesting uh it had to
be cheney it could have been anybody
else that authorized it and it was one
of the most double dealing instances
i've i've ever what would you say it was
a setup for though why'd they do it
you know that's the question why did
they had nuclear weapons in already in
europe why they need to steal them you
know and why they need to fly them from
you know from north dakota or wherever
it was south dakota across the united
states i mean what was the point it's
crazy there is no well there is a point
but i don't know what it is but that
that episode was extremely interesting
i'd sure you know one day we'll find out
you know we'll say oh that's what it was
all about but uh i don't know but that
was really it's minot
yeah minnow mono north dakota that's the
french pronunciation
i mean we americans call it minot here i
see okay
i'm kidding you
um
okay so
so where are we going next john what do
you have i don't know um
while we're figuring about where we're
going next uh i just ordered this book
somebody it just accidentally came up
there
it's called the gravitational force of
the sun by perry spalter it was written
in 1993
and basically what it says here this
book is a serious challenge to newton's
law of universal gravitation is
presently formulated and i'm just you
know this far in it
and basically why that interests me is
is because newton did have
some ideas about the moon along with
you know throughout history about 36
other people who thought there was
gravity on the moon there was atmosphere
and there was people up there but each
one
you know got gently the information got
gently suppressed uh
well we have bases up there is that
that's really well no question about
that we have bases on mars
you know the secret astronaut core has
been to every visit every planet most of
the planets um and much farther than
that i mean we've been to other solar
systems um
people when when we talk about other
plants well it's too hot in venus no
that's
the sun is an electromagnetic sphere
it's not a nuclear reactor and it
doesn't radiate heat as such
it has electric irradiates
electromagnetic
and each planet has its own filtering
system
and so the filtering system around each
planet
determines what the temperature is so
temperature on venus is you know much
like earth so it is on mars so it is on
pluto so it is so the same on mercury
there's people just like us and every
single one of the planets the planets
that you hear about uh as being um
uh giant um
gas gases like saturn and neptune um
there's there's only one gas giant in
our solar system and that's nasa nasa
that's the only gas giant we have all
the rest of the you know planets people
live on and happen okay so what do you
think they're being shrouded you think
there's uh you know we're being
suppressed the information is being
suppressed we're not allowed to
to know about any of that uh the people
that uh
talk about have taken over and they
consider space their
personally theirs and
they don't want to share it with any
with us
they have
technology that we wouldn't have to pay
for gas or electricity right this single
minute right uh but uh they don't want
to share it with us it's only for the
elite
uh
and we're not included there we can go
to war and you know and be subjects for
weapons and tests and stuff like that
but we are not going to share in that
technology but out there there's there's
a fantastic universe fantastic um
um uh fantastic set of planets it's
really interesting out there
john i would like to
um ask you a few questions basically on
behalf of the people who are watching
this video we're asking these questions
on their behalf
first of all i want to say that
our source henry deacon
told me
personally i don't think this is on our
site because for me it felt outlandish
he said that there's life on every
planet in the solar system he looked me
in the eye and he said you may well not
believe this but i promise you it's true
he said that
he said that um
venus is not as hot as they want you to
believe he said the sun doesn't work the
way that they teach you in school he
said a whole bunch of stuff that
corroborates what you're saying
now he was on the inside um he's worked
in deep black projects all over the
place in a number of establishments and
so his source comes from briefing
documents conversations with other
physicists and so on and so forth
where do you get your information from
here because this is so
extraordinary and way off the end of the
spectrum that people need to know how
you figured this out or who's told you
this or what your sources are
uh
specifically the sun that came from a um
a document in the uh
in the branson files
uh brampton
brandon violin
so have you ever met brenton
no but we used to talk a lot and i'm not
sure whether i ever met him face to face
but his name is what his real name
i didn't know i forget his real name but
anyway dave i think it's dave something
but anyway we used to be real close and
then he got sick for a while and i don't
know what he does but
his information is so interesting and i
have no reason to believe that most it's
not true have you read the brand files
oh yeah they're lengthy i have a
three-inch binder that i had him printed
out i mean he's the one who really
publicized the dulce bass information
big time in those files
and you're familiar with all of that
right
the the whole dolce star story started
in 1987
when me linda howe tom adams
uh and several others met in crestone
colorado
to discuss the the state of ufos and
during that meeting it was about three
or four days and tom adams walked over
to me he said handed me a note and i
it'll turn up eventually but i don't
have it right now and the note was from
him
from
what who i call mr x in henderson nevada
and told him about that
he had a friend that worked at an
underground base in new mexico that the
walls that the halls went on forever
tile walls and a little bit of the stuff
and tom handed me says john i don't have
time to go out there research this would
you look into it and i said sure
so when i got back and before i got back
me and linda howe
went
in my truck all throughout new mexico we
stopped and uh talked to ernie edwards
uh who was the you know the key figure
in the benewitz deal and then she and i
drove down through corona
and
to see
clifford stone and she and i took that
road that goes from corona over to the
main highway down to roswell and we're
gonna find the roswell ranch and we get
to the turn-off and there's 30 dead cows
there
and
it was crazy and
so they weren't they didn't have the
classic mutilations but they were dead
and
we talked to the farmer there and he
said oh yeah there's some kind of a
virus going around and i forget what the
whole story was but none of it made any
sense
and we went down interviewed clifford
stone and
then i eventually drove back to
to uh las vegas and met with mixture x
and mr x started telling me about dulce
uh about the
about uh the guard
that had
uh witnessed the atrocities that were
going on there and didn't agree with
them
and had decided to
escape and he escaped with um
uh allegedly seven minutes of videotape
that showed the hallway
25 black and white photos
and 100 pages of information now we're
told this is buried on top of a mountain
and it's inaccessible i'll get to that
so um
um and that guy's thomas costello is
that correct thomas cassell so
this mr x had met concert was very good
friends with her and when he escaped he
made six of these boxes
and
what he did is he gave a box to each one
of his friends
and mr x was one of them
and
mr x took me down to dolan springs where
he hid his guy
he had his
box on the top of a mountain now i
didn't go to the top of the mountain or
see exactly where it was but he showed
me you know
where it was generally
so
we get back and i talked to mr x over a
period of uh three or four months and
eventually
he shows me
some pencil drawings that he drew from
the original photographs
those became the infamous dulce papers
and i have the originals right here that
i drew
from those pencil drawings
and so i drew them and what are they
drawings of of the interior of dalty i
see
well i i don't know if we've seen them
or not but um can we get those on on
camera
okay um do they contain any pictures of
aliens
no they just they show the lab and all
the hookups of the bags and everything
and so drawings that were published in
matrix ii right right right with other
ones uh matrix one they were smart
and the way the matrix happened is uh
when i was getting into all this the guy
kept coming to the knocking on the door
john grace and hey i'd like to talk to
you and that was the time when i was
having so much trouble with merrily and
i kept saying you know don't don't come
here i don't want to talk about it
finally he came in and we developed a
long
relationship of
of
collaborating on information
and
matrix one every page came off that desk
and
i wish i had that book my mom passed
away and there was one left that she had
in mint condition and i gave it to one
of my nieces uh so i don't have an
original matrix one i have an original
matrix two but
and now it's up to matrix five anyway
john grace
was a really interesting guy did a hell
of a lot of research he worked for
nellis air force base and
one day during this period like late 87
he wrote a kind of a state of the
state of the
research where we were at
as far as what we had found out and he
wrote it
he wanted to get it out but he didn't
want to use his name
so
he wanted to suggest a name and i said
well why don't you call it krill
k-r-i-l-l
because the pentagon dealt with an alien
back in 94 called
krill c-r-l-l-l and he said okay and
then he came up with them
out of the out of the blue the initials
o-h and became the the o-h krill papers
and uh we weren't trying to uh shine
anybody on we were trying what trying to
uh put any false information out it was
just what we thought the state of the
the art was then and and john wanted to
know and we made up that name so
later it became a full-fledged disaster
because
bill cooper started coming up then and
bill cooper and i did several inter
video interviews and one of them was
this pm magazine in salt lake city and
during that interview
um
they asked about the krill papers and
bill cooper said he'd seen them in the
navy 20 years prior when you know
john grace and i had
dreamed him up like two months prior to
that and the other thing was there was a
paragraph out then talking about the
excalibur weapon and the excalibur
weapon was a weapon that the military
were um
uh developing that would penetrate a
thousand feet of soil
and bob lazar had written that like two
months prior and bill cooper had said
he'd seen that in the navy 20 years
prior
and so i took bill cooper out in that
dining room said what in the hell are
you talking about john grace and i wrote
that krill papers and bob lazar wrote
the excalibur he said well that may be
but i saw him in the navy so that's when
bill cooper and i started to split
because i can understand why he was
saying stuff like that and then it
became known as ufo disease and ufo
disease is when you get so popular in
the ufo field and you don't have
anything new to say you make it up okay
well let me ask you something because as
far as i know
the matrix books are written by val
valerian who is john grace right right
okay so
matrix five talks about planet x i'm
told i've got matrix five and i don't
remember seeing
planet x referred to in there but you
know basically i was just uh
told that it reminded i guess that it
talks about planet x i mean it certainly
talks about everything in there but um
and you say planet x is a complete
fallacy so are you still in touch with
john grace you know why he says it's
true
no i don't know uh john grace you know i
ordered
matrix five and i read the first 30
pages and i couldn't get any further so
uh there may be a planet x there may be
a nibiru but it's not going to destroy
earth in 2012. okay
what about what about meteors
you know
aimed at this planet that are heading
heading in we'll we'll be protected you
know afterwards and how and what by what
uh the guys who take care of us
which is a are you talking aliens you're
talking about aliens
do we do we have any idea which aliens
are protecting us
or do do you um
probably the the grays the grays are
responsible for what we call the
physical body which bob read up at the
site are the containers they refer to it
as containers that's their job um
they see that everything goes okay and
the container contains the souls
the uh the graves
um can um
change souls from body to body but their
responsibility is not the soul that's
somebody else and i don't know who that
person is the graves are just here
responsible for
um the containers that's why there would
never
uh and unless it was under unless
extremely unusual circumstances
uh would a meteor ever hit the earth
there'd be no catastrophe like that
let's keep that thought and i'm going to
have something to eat here thank you
darling that was really great
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