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for one thing you can at least find it
on some map absolutely would be probably
what they're gonna do uh
they're gonna put a hologram and say oh
we're being attacked you know by aliens
uh we've made a deal with the ambassador
and he says that they feel that earth is
a threat and but if you all take all any
weapons you have and turn them in
that they'll give us a second chance i
would take them and freeze them in a
position 20 miles out at 7 000 feet 560
miles an hour put them in the seat
say you know and then give them two
minutes of looking at the horizons show
them where the world trade center is and
say i'm about to release you when i do
uh you'll have a minute and 50 seconds
to hit dead center it's
it's impossible at the height of my
career uh as proficient i was in every
kind of airplane there's no way i could
have done that i mean it's just too
complex for the same thing with 2012.
it's just going to be a year like every
other year we're going to have to
continue to have these wars uh we will
probably have a nuclear war you know uh
but things are just you know going to
going to go along by and i even have a
have a hunch that you might have been
part of mj 12 at one point
december 6th
of 1988 bob comes sits down and
and uh
he says uh i saw a disc today and i'm
writing out checks there you know i'm
not paying attention i said what so i
saw a disc today in it
a disc there's her arms
and he said theirs i said you went to
groom lake and he said yeah and i said
what are you doing here i said obviously
i'm going to follow you why don't you
just you know work there for a while and
then come and tell us what happened he
says
because i have seen you take so much
crap
over the past six months
about this i'm telling you it's real i
saw it i touched it you know
i'm looking at him said what what what
he said john
you will never know what it's like to
see your first alien i said you saw one
you saw one he said yeah i said it
couldn't have been a doll it could have
been no it was one
and you know these days you ask him that
question he says well i don't know could
have been a doll they were doing all
these weird stuff but that night
that's exactly what he said you know the
the deal the way security like that
works
is when they give you a clearance and
when you're deep inside like that they
tell you look
uh john um
we've given you this clearance
and uh of course we expected to keep you
secret but we know that you know every
once in a while you may accidentally
mention something at a party you may
have had too much to drink and you think
it'd be interesting to talk about this
and we just want you to know that you
know we don't really care we won't hurt
you but we will kill your wife your
children your mom your dad your parakeet
your dog hi i'm carrie cassidy and this
is project camelot and we are very happy
to be returning to see
john lear and do a retake
and a new interview um to get
he's going to tell all basically is that
right john you're going to you're going
to absolutely
charm us and and dazzle us with new
information
i'm going to tell what i know up to this
point and uh i'm not saying it's uh
absolute ironclad what's really going on
but it's what i think is going on great
but i'd first like to say i can't
believe it's been two years since we did
this
it seems like only about six months
but first of all uh let's talk about
what happened at ats what do you know
about it okay i know you've been you've
been banned uh that's the extent of it
and we don't actually know why um
what we know about it is that or what we
we think we know is that it's a cia
front and managed by the cia so if
you've been banned uh it might be that
you're getting too hot
that's what i think and when i first
joined ats maybe three years ago i
thought you know what
this is just
a collection point for what people think
is going on so that they know
what the general public thinks is going
on and they have a bunch of debunkers
there that are you know paid to go in
there and somebody talks about something
they say oh no here's what's really
going on you know so they generally just
to generally
influence public thought
but then i started to throw some you
know interesting stuff in there and they
didn't say anything so i thought well
maybe it's okay
so
starting about
four months ago i started throwing some
really secret stuff in there which i'll
tell you later and it has to do with
navy submarines
has to do with
what the space shuttles do
and then pretty soon you know i'm gone
and the mechanics of exactly why i'm
gone
is
jeff
ritzman and
david biedney were two of the uh my
main myers debunkers
now
the meyer story was true there's no
doubt oh yeah he took pictures he went
on rides i don't care whether you say
that you know there was pictures of
dinosaurs or or the the lady came out of
sears magazine that's all contamination
the fact is it was true and so i really
don't have time to support the myers
thing other than in the thread i would
come up every once in a while and say
hey look you know i'm busy with other
things if i had time you know i tell you
exactly how the myers thing happened and
why i believe it but all i want to tell
you is the myers case is true and john
lear believes it's true and that's the
bottom line there and i'm telling you i
would get hit so hard on ats
uh pages and pages of people knocking me
particularly jefferson and david bienick
so one day
i got a list
of everything based all the insults they
made of me and there were 16 of them and
i put them you know at the end i said
you know it's funny that any other
thread people would be taken to task for
insulting another person but apparently
on the billy meyer thread
it's okay to insult john lear and i put
these 16 things
well that was on a sunday evening monday
morning i wake up go to log on and
here's uh skeptic overlord uh what's his
name bill um
bill evan
biller
says uh you know we've uh we've uh post
banned you here until you can prove that
uh
what you said that uh ritzman and bienny
posted were true we've had our best
moderators and they can't find a single
quote
that was true so all we
need is your help and i'm thinking holy
smokes i just you know
got all that copied all that yesterday
so
i started to worry because it never even
occurred to me to go back and check to
see if it was still there
i just assumed if bill irvine said it
wasn't there and his moderators said it
wasn't there then it wasn't there and so
what i thought was one of the moderators
was in on it and it's gone and the only
hope i have of recovering it is going
into the archives
so that was like about
eight or eight in the morning and the
whole day long here's bill irvine coming
back every two hours john you know we
can't find any of this we need your help
you know with a few little minor digs in
it so i'm waiting for um um ron uh
schmidt to get off work at uh six so he
can show me how to go into the archives
so um finally just before i went over to
ron schmitz that monday about five
o'clock i said you know
i'm just going to take a look and be
sure that it's not there and i found
every single quote still there so i
laboriously took the time to copy
everyone and paste it on this one piece
of paper exactly where it was
send it to bill irvine and he sends me
back an email says uh
jeff admitted it uh it's a done deal
so in other words the moderators were
kind of like in collusion with no no it
turns out that none of them were
colluding it turns out that everything
was still there
but irvine said all these guys couldn't
find those quotes but but that's what
i'm saying if they couldn't find the
quotes then they suddenly found them
then in a certain sense it sounds like
they're working with jeff that could be
anyway uh bill said that if we all agree
to uh keep this between us i said no i
don't agree to keep that between us i
want everybody to know exactly what
happened here you know you say this bub
top secret and we're trying to get all
this information why should this little
feud in which you've caused me an entire
day of grief and really
i told bill i said i've been posting
here for two years i spent eight to
sixteen hours answering questions on ats
and you accuse me of
falsifying information i mean that's
insane
so
uh
i wouldn't agree not not to shut up and
they they didn't let me on so so it
sounds like they're playing games yeah
so they had a lot of
people ask about john lear and finally
on sunday the following sunday they let
me on just long enough i could get in my
two cents worth and then i was banned
forever it was obvious that ats has been
a clearinghouse
they wanted the information that the
public got to see if they could
influence that they weren't interested
in having good stuff come out there that
the public could see and i'm telling you
i was telling some good stuff and i was
getting away with it well that was good
stuff on here today it was really
surprising they were letting me get away
with this stuff and uh because you know
i know what's going on and so then it
rapidly came to a halt so
and now we've talked to several people
at ats they said nobody gets to put any
more good stuff on you know it's got to
be backed up 100 or they're banned and
their post is deleted
i think the crowning blow
was when they rolled in jim oberg and
jim oberg has been nasa's front man for
you know 30 years
he knows everything about everything and
when we got into the bait on the neutral
point which i'll discuss later which
absolutely proves that there's 64
gravity on the moon
i got jim oberg and i'll read you the
exact thing he came back with you know
he was stuck there was nothing for more
for him to say he was done for and
that's when things started to go
downhill and i'll read you the exact
thing that jim overheard said
so john what's going to be your your
approach at this point that you're that
you're banned because in a way that was
kind of a place where you could connect
with the public
are you going to join another
i post on four little forums and anybody
that calls and asks i give them these
forums and it's no big deal there's like
300 on one and 80 on another and my bag
is
is not
reaching a lot of people it's reaching
the very few that are interested in
what's going on and that's not a threat
to the government really i don't think
okay well there are plenty people that
visit forums that don't log on
so so there's good it's good news to
know that you're actually still out
there and still posting yeah the stuff
that we're going to talk about today is
the stuff that's current on these forums
one is open minds and the others
american conspiracy the other is
fantastic forum
and uh i think there's there's one other
and then i have a website with ron
schmidt that's called the livingmoon.com
and i try and keep all the stuff that we
find out on there okay livingmoon.com is
an excellent
website i want to state this for the
record
there are not that many websites that we
at project camelot would be willing to
recommend but that's a good one okay let
me tell you about the origin of the
livingmoon.com was when i
posted the original
huge megabyte pictures of the moon
on ats in other words i sent them by dvd
to
what's his name there um
bill mark no
mark
uh and he posted them for the first week
people were saying well i don't see you
know john i don't see what you see there
you know and everything and then this
guy called zorgon started to see the
stuff
and
so i would lead him to it you know and i
didn't lead him anywhere you know i
didn't say well here it is because you
can't do that you got to let them find
it and zorgon started coming up with
this this stuff
and then he started finding more than i
did and i said you know we got a meeting
and thinking holy this guy lives in
new jersey you know and i'm gonna have
to get back there it turns out he lives
you know a couple of miles down the
street
so he comes up here you know we start
trading information and and he already
had a website you know having to do with
middle evil stuff so we just made the
living moon a part of that and the
information just started to come in uh
from all kinds of sources sources i have
no idea how how they got this stuff
but a lot of stuff on that russian black
ships and and it just keeps pouring it
has a good size
10 of this stuff is posted on there just
because we don't have the time you know
we'd like to have a secretary but both
of us are broke you know so we don't
have you know can't put it all on there
so we put the most interesting stuff on
there and ron works down at the
convention center he's the guy that sets
things up and takes things down but he
comes
he comes home and
every once in a while we get together
you know like once a week and talk about
what we're going to focus on but that's
that's it you know
let me share this email with you john
this is from
somebody called gary
dix dix
who used to work very closely with simon
mark and bill in the early days of ats
and after a major disagreement he quit
he's based in new zealand
and uh he sent me a long email
a couple of years ago
um
and i'll just read
one of the pertinent
paragraphs
as they become more negative over a
topic
they begin to drive the threads using
sock puppets fake member names as they
don't want to be seen to be guiding
directions in the threads as mods and
admin
this is the style of mods and admin in
the future using fake accounts to allow
them to freely post their ideas you got
this on a record from a guy on the
inside
okay now of course they'll deny it but
if you've got somebody whose username is
skeptic overlord what does that tell us
yeah you know i mean the
the truth is in plain sight ats is a
skeptical site ats is a debunker site
and so what the debunkers do it's this
phrase which you know you keep your
enemy your your friends close and your
enemies closer yeah so you're an enemy
if anyone who wants the truth really out
so they bring you in really close with
the intention of controlling public
opinion about you right it nearly worked
but not quite
because they made the mistake of calling
john lear a liar and john lear may be
all kinds of things but john lewis is
not a liar and everybody knows that he
knows anything about john lear
but what are the chances of you know me
posting those pictures on ats you know
and the one guy who starts seeing the
good stuff lives you know three or four
miles down the road i mean it's really
it was really great
but that's how synchronicity works and
it and every day
i see an example of synchronicity
well that means you're really plugged in
to what's going on here and that you're
getting some unseen help
basically that's i mean a synchronicity
is is just being in sync with the
universe in a major way and everything
is going in that direction basically the
direction of disclosure and truth
so
on that note let's kind of dive in here
we know you've got a lot of stuff to
cover today so where would you like to
go first first we're gonna uh cover
the nibiru scam project or planet x okay
it is not there it is not going to cause
a problem in 2012 it's a scam i see it
working from every different direction
it's uh
just a plot to keep us
you know in a state of anxiety
everything's going to go along just as
normal the world isn't going to
disintegrate there's going to be no
planet that comes and shakes everything
up everything is going to go along just
for are you saying this in general about
2012 are you saying this also
specifically about planet x
or nibiru or whatever you want to call
it and 2012. 2012 is like it's just a
year
is it just a year in your opinion yeah
it's just like what did we call this y2k
you know we all kind of got generators
and food and everything and everything
was going to collapse the same thing
with 2012. it's just going to be a year
like every other year we're going to
have to continue to have these wars
we will probably have a nuclear war
you know uh but things are just you know
gonna gonna go along fine there is gonna
be no absolutely is where do you get
your information are you is are you just
coming to this conclusion in your own
head by putting two and two together or
do you have an inside source no inside
scoop i have never had an inside scoop
on
most all of my information you know i've
come out with it myself and it's more
fun like that because people say you
know where do you who told you that
gravity on the moon is uh with 64
there's an atmosphere well there's a lot
of books out there but basically i'm the
guy that came out and said yep there's
gravity on the moon and there's the
atmosphere on the moon as far as why why
should we believe that you would know
this i mean is it because you were a
pilot because you're trained in a
certain way
where is your trail coming from well as
far as the gravity on the moon we're
going to talk about the bully aldous
newton
law of inverse square and we're going to
talk about how usually nasa convinces
you
using newton's gravitational
law which assumes uh
the mass of the earth and the moon
that's not what you want to use you want
to use newton bullion or bully alice
newton law of inverse square because you
don't have to care what the mass is all
you need to know is what the distance is
and where the neutral point is if we
know where the neutral point is the size
of the planets we can figure out what
the gravity is now we know what the
neutral point is because number one
werner von braun told us number two
um
uh the crew of apollo 17 told us and
three and one of the other apollo
missions told us and it's about thirty
eight thousand or thirty nine thousand
miles and if you work out the law of
inverse square it comes out to be um uh
the moon is sixty four percent gravity
of the earth that's all there is to it
you don't have to assume mass
and as far as planet x in nibiru that's
based on 65 years of listening to
you know about you know what's
coming on and you know what disaster is
coming next um
it's just you know i i know that there's
nothing going to be happening it's it's
okay let me ask you just because we have
several witnesses that are giving us
evidence and also
i know you do and that's why
we're certainly in question about this
we we have not reached a conclusion
ourselves however
uh first of all there's the south pole
telescope there's also uh
the interest
of the vatican and the jesuit footage
that came out you know with barbato
um i'm maybe you've seen the footage
maybe haven't maybe you can give us some
background on why you think that footage
is not accurate or not real
and then there's also
the heating of the planets how do you
account for the heating of the planets
and the activity on the sun which is
going to reach a peak in 2012
as being meaningless are you talking
about global warming
but glo it's not global and and david
wilcock and richard hoagland have gone
through planet by planet and shown you
how there's increased activity
all the way down and that there's
there's actually heating up
it's information in the public domain
that every planet in the solar system is
heating up it seems to be connected with
solar cycle 24.
and then some people say that there's
something else that's driving
i wouldn't even pay any attention to it
everybody gets to believe what they want
in 2012 you can look back and say john
lear on april 2nd 2008 said it was all
and
if it wasn't you know i was wrong but
you know i think it's a total scam i'm
sure you've rubbed shoulders with the
intel community you know that your
office is bugged you've demonstrated
that that to us there's a reason why
they bug you i mean first of all you
know you're a pilot for way back you're
incredibly respected you have a
background
military slightly um you know and i even
have a have a hunch that you might have
been part of mj12 at one point
okay
so you've known all the insiders you
know you knew um
tell me why it is i mean that you're
saying you have no inside sources
suddenly i mean you know bob lazar let
me record let me quickly i had three
inside sources one was jimmy doolittle
and he's the one that told my mom that
mj 12 existed that story is important
because when i was first getting into
all this in 1987 and
uh chanderie and moore came out with the
uh i supposed eisenhower briefing and it
talked about majestic 12
i needed to know
is this true
and the only person that i knew that
would have known beyond a shadow of a
doubt was jimmy doolittle okay now who's
jimmy doolittle
general jimmy doodle behind you that's
him taking off
to bomb tokyo taking off from the hornet
incidentally the same aircraft carrier
that picked up apollo and that letter
that you see is when i had my uh
accidental airplane crash in geneva
switzerland in 1961
and nearly killed myself he was the only
one to take the time to write me a
letter and say john we all make mistakes
i've made many plenty of them but it's
important that we profit uh it's only
important that we profit by our mistakes
and he took the time to write that whole
letter so i have it framed with him
taking off on the hornet to bomb tokyo
general jimmy doolittle was
an incredible general very respected and
he was involved with mj 12 up to his
ears he was not a part of mj 12 but he
was around our house in santa monica 222
14th street he lived down on third
street with his wife josephine and they
were in our house just like um
vandenberg
just like twining all those mj-12 guys
were around our house but you know i
didn't know that at that time and my
father never said much about ufos other
than that he believed them and i never
found out any of this stuff until like i
got into this stuff 1985 86 and
doolittle's name kept coming up time
after time at a time now i knew him and
i had there's autographed pictures all
around this den of jimmy uh
that i've asked for and i saw him at
various
like uh sctp which is society
experimental test pilots uh and to say
hello and everything but i didn't really
know him that well but i knew that my
mom knew him and she
was as close to jimmy doolittle as
anybody in her life jimmy and joe now
his wife passed away in the 80s sometime
and he was retired lived in carmel
california
and i knew that and i also knew that my
mom talked to him every once in a while
so i knew that the only way i would have
of determining whether majestic 12 was
true was to get her to ask him and it
took about six months to get together to
to get it together because she's always
hesitant you know to do stuff like that
but i finally got her to do it and she
called up and uh she said jimmy
by the way john's interested in this
stuff and just i just want to know was
majestic 12 real and he said yes moy it
was but i can't say anything about it
that for me
was you know
the beginning of everything because if
majestic 12 is real then it's a
possibility the briefing papers are real
and if they were real then everything
else is real right because why would you
put together something like mj 12 under
truman to investigate or manage the ufo
story unless there was a you know if
there was no ufo story right there's got
to be ufo if you're going to put
together a group so i'd have to say that
was my first insight so now tell me
something you must know the history to
some degree i mean you've been around a
long time you've seen them in operation
you know you know you must have met some
of the insiders
and i have to say that i think they
would have recruited you am i wrong
no i you never got an offer no i just
you know i was a pilot i didn't know
anything you know until 1984 when i said
a lot now yeah look at this office it's
incredible yeah
you know up till 1984 my sole interest
was sr-71 f-19 stealth fighter
stuff like that as a matter of fact you
can go on the internet john andrews who
was vice president of testers and
eventually made the sport model right
you know he and i had letters going back
and forth he'd say hey you ought to look
into this flying saucer deal and i'd say
no it's you know i don't need
to waste my time that letter's on the
internet you know my interest didn't
start until
um you know in 1985 i think we had a i
used to run the reunion for all the
southeast asia pilots that you know that
worked for cia and uh uh and i'd run the
reunion here in in las vegas called
china post one
and we'd have it every two years and one
of these years and i think it was 1985
a friend of mine whose name was greg
wilson he was a raven now the raven were
the air force guys they'd take out of
the air force uh sheep tip them they'd
give them civilian id they'd come into
the house and made fly you know the old
ones and and they were the ravens and
they'd go out on the pdj and all around
and do all kinds of amazing things
anyway
he attended the reunion his name was
greg wilson and uh he uh got talking to
him they were all you've been he said
well you know here and there still
flying a-10s i spent a tour at
bentwater's i said ben waters
that was the place you know supposedly
in uh you know 1980 that the flying
saucer land he says no john not
supposedly it did i said i didn't get to
see it because i was confined to
quarters but i know the guys who did and
i said what
i said you're telling me this stuff is
real he said oh yeah so here's a guy
that i flew with in southeast asia
hadn't seen for years i give him this
outrageous you know question about you
know bent water he said yeah yeah i was
confined i didn't see it
but i know the guys who did so
that's what piqued my interest that's
1985 you know
so you know so you've got more you've
got insiders coming to you got insiders
that are friends
i wouldn't say he was an insider an
insider like his bob lazar right and the
only other insider the real insider i
mean the guy
and it's been like you know if you guys
were here two years ago that's probably
been
like five or six years ago i can't
remember when i met well i know when it
was yeah it's been a long time ago it's
been almost 20 years
i used to live up in idaho
he was retired
he told friends of mine a lot more than
he told me but
just before he died
he came down to vegas
and
more or less said what do you want to
know and i didn't even know what to ask
and his name is
uh
are you at liberty to tell us no because
you know the the deal the way security
like that works
is when they give you a clearance and
when you're deep inside like that they
tell you look
uh john
we've given you this clearance
and uh of course we expect you to keep
your secret but we know that you know
every once in a while you may
accidentally mention something at a
party you may have had too much to drink
and you think it'd be interesting to
talk about this and we just want you to
know that you know we don't really care
we won't hurt you but we will kill your
wife your children your mom your dad
your parakeet your dog uh you know
everybody else but but you'll be okay so
that's why people don't drink and and
people say well he's on his deathbed why
wouldn't he talk that's why is because
they make it clear it's not him that's
gonna get hurt it's every
every person in his family and then
starting with his best friend
towards the end of his life i saw him
three times i drove to idaho to see him
twice and then once back here and when i
was in idaho he didn't tell me all that
much but he did tell me one interesting
thing that never made sense until this
year when i find out
you know
the the information i'm getting is just
going exponentially every time i get
someplace you know then i'm led to
someplace else and it's just
so much information coming in anyway
what he told me was
that he worked on a project
uh a mining machine for the moon and uh
this thing was being built in the south
somewhere he didn't tell me where but
you know i'm imagining arkansas or
alabama someplace like that he said john
this thing was so big
he said that when i finished it he said
i have a private license i rented an
airplane
just to go up and fly around to see how
mammoth this thing was and i said well
can you give me an idea he says acres
i said
wow i said how'd they get it to the moon
he said i don't
know and that's how
projects like that work he doesn't have
a need to know how they got it to the
moon his job was to build it you know
and they're not going to tell him any of
that that's how compartmentalization
works you know that's one uh we've been
told by somebody
he told us that project uh
uh lunix
and horizon were never canceled that it
went black absolutely and project
horizon is on our website right yes yeah
the only thing we get there's there
we've got four
of the um
phases of project writing except one and
i think it's number two that we need so
i'll show you that and show you what
we're still looking for can you just
tell me one thing have you been
threatened
never
never the slightest bit
okay
all right well so either you've never
crossed the line you've never revealed
anything that you weren't supposed to
um or you don't know enough is that why
are you doing someone a favor or
somebody's protecting me
okay so the last but you are exactly
right either
i'm talking through my hat and i don't
have the real information right
um or or
somebody's protecting me
do you know who
oh i didn't say
which one was true
i mean you know
i think a lot of this stuff was true but
how would i know i've never been to the
moon i'd like to go
if if i go and somebody can arrange a
ride like bob lazar he says he's going
to have his spate suits on while we're
standing you know in the airlock there
and when it comes up like that he says
you know at least i'm going to have some
air you know and i'll watch you
suffocate i said no no i'll be able to
breathe normally now when people go to
the moon it takes them uh two weeks of
decompression before they can actually
go out and spend some time there uh
the fact is you can you can go right
there and breathe but you know you'll
get altitude sickness just like if you
go to climb everest you can go right up
there you probably live but you you know
you'll hurt pretty bad that's why they
go to the different camps as they go up
is to get acclimatized in the same thing
to the moon it takes about two weeks
okay so tell us
how the moon got where it is because you
you know that the moon is a satellite
that's that's actually a fake right it
was it's a it's a spaceship it was towed
into orbit i would say 30 to 40 000
years ago now the reason i say 30 or 40
000 years ago is because it's still
within the history of man uh that um
velikovsky talks about uh the different
um pro salines and the different
civilizations that talked about the time
when there was no moon and then when
there was two moons and now we have one
moon uh this guy here
norm bergman
wrote the ring makers of saturn
uh
it's an excellent book norm bergman
is very qualified was for 40 years uh a
scientific uh part of
both naca
and also lockheed retired from lockheed
i think about 15 years ago uh no more
than that
uh national aeronautics
the predecessor to nasa oh really
national aeronautics uh commission
aeronautics
they were the predecessor to nasa
but when he retired
he somehow got uh some photos some
really good negatives of uh voyager
uh which went by saturn
and
he's
set up a little lab in his house
and he started looking these and he
ended up writing ring makers of saturn
and what he shows you here is what he
found
in the rings of saturn
is
three vehicles
spaceships
the biggest of which
is 31
496 miles long and 24
242 miles in diameter we're talking
about a fairly large spaceship there
now norm bergen
when he wrote this book at the beginning
it's very good he says now look he said
i'm going to be talking about some stuff
that
is very interesting but you can't skip a
page you can't skip a word that you
don't know you have to go from the
beginning to end or you won't understand
what i'm saying and i did go from
beginning to end now when was this
written
this would be 19 uh
86.
okay so it's not that old no
and i go see nor uh and it's talking
about a huge spaceship yeah in the ring
who build them yeah we don't know who
built it
but anyway
no no no no we couldn't build anything
like that we have some amazing stuff but
we we couldn't do that no this is
somebody else but what the interesting
part in the book and the reason why
we're getting here is because
at the end of this book he starts
talking about the moon
and
how the moon was towed into orbit
because the
the people that towed that operate that
stuff and saturn and also yapidos
uh
towed the moon into orbit and he goes
into here and explains exactly why he
believes the moon was toad and orb and
how it was and how they grabbed on to
the mari-oriental who are you saying
toad the moon whoever we don't know
so he doesn't conjecture on who
you know on what alien race for example
i mean obviously it's an alien race
henry deacon our secret source has also
substantiated that the moon was towed
into orbit but
have you got an idea what alien race was
responsible for no absolutely not none
what's interesting here another
interesting thing is i see norm every
year because when i go do the ufo expo
west which is the only one i do
um
he lives in los altos hills and uh he's
writing about yafitas and yapitus is
probably a spaceship too
and uh
so so we we've got we got to get in
touch with this guy you better because
he's on his way out i saw him last
september he was not well he was
finishing up um the book on yapitas uh
but he wasn't working on it every day
okay was he a scientist yes okay but who
did he who did he work for i mean in
other words he's give me a second
i understand that but in a in a certain
level
he's revealing secret information no um
is what well i'm just asking you isn't
this wouldn't this be secret
thermo dynamicist douglas aircraft
uh
1943-94 aero research scientist naca
ames laboratory 1944 1956 lockheed
michelin space company then a supervisor
flight test 1956-68
manager flight test analysis 1958-1962
manager test plans and direction 1962 63
manager re-entry test operations such as
these things
there's all this stuff how qualified
this guy is right why are they letting
him talk why are they letting him do
this
i mean what's he saying there's a
spaceship that's that's 31 miles long in
the rings of saturn
sure who's going to believe that
okay
all right okay so anyway
two years ago
um at the ufo expo west i mean that was
so interesting because number one um
one of my uh
lectures was about paula one and the
four people that were in it
and
there was uh grissom white and chaffey
and there was a fourth guy and he was
part of the secret astronaut corps and
the reason they had to keep it secret is
because
if they if the public were allowed to
know there was a fourth guy in there
then they would not want to know who he
was and there was no possible way that
nasa could ever reveal that there was
another guy in there because they would
have to reveal the secret space program
and the speaker space program started in
1959 and they're the ones that went to
the moon in 1962 they went to mars in
1966 all everything we know is a cover
for the secret space program oh yeah
anyway when when i give a lecture if i
have two hours i always give an hour and
then let the public talk to me for an
hour because i'm gonna learn more from
them than they are again for me and one
of chaffey's
relatives got up and said john you're
right we've always known this there was
a fourth man but we didn't know who it
was now i know who the name is but i
keep it to myself because
if somebody comes to me
you know and says i know who it is
i know who it is
and it's really interesting because
his son is a current shuttle astronaut
oh really yeah so anyway i go to see uh
norm uh two years ago
and in talking with him i said by the
way
the electrical map the electromagnetic
vehicle
that towed the moon into orbit where is
it now and he said i think it's on the
back side of the moon so when i got
hooked up with ron schmidt
we started collecting photos on the back
side of the moon and we found it
it's in the crater tchaikovsky and the
the story of how we did it was so
interesting and how nasa covered it up
there's you know like six different
photos of tchaikovsky as they tried to
airbrush
this electromagnetic vehicle
out of the picture
by making it an island
and but we got them
and
we got two really good photos one was
discovered by a lady who works with us
in florida and she discovered it on a
thumbnail of tchaikovsky and what
happened is when nasa was advertising
this particular photo you know they
airbrushed the big one but when they had
the thumbnail somebody looked at that
and said hey i'm not gonna take the pro
i'm not gonna take the time to enlarge
that take the vehicle out and put it
down nobody will notice it anyway but we
noticed it and it's great that's where
we got the the photo of the emv on the
on the par side and then
and apollo 15 flew over and they got
some movies of it and uh it's just a
quick shot but uh it's really
interesting
the secret astronaut who was killed his
son is a shuttle astronaut okay
and this is interesting because it sort
of shows how they bring someone into the
fold who might have
something to tell the world at a later
date right but if he's a shuttle
astronaut he's not going to talk right
he's in the he's in the fold right same
thing with grissom's son oh really
see this would be an interesting
investigative angle would be what about
all the sons and daughters of the
astronauts do they all work for the
company
yeah it would be now gus grissom uh you
know when the fire
started
you know every single story you read
will say that you know there's like
three words spoken chaffey said fire
somebody said you know it's getting hot
in here but in every single story
grissom doesn't say anything now as you
know
grissom was the most highly critical and
vociferous astronaut in that program he
what came out you know uh before they
were supposed to go up there he said
there's 60 major things with this wrong
alcohol how can we possibly be flying
this he's the one that hung the lemon
over the over the apollo you know and
and nasa hated him now i've been told uh
by guys i
consider insiders and there's another
one calling number four
um
that nasa didn't specifically kill those
guys but they let it happen
they knew it was going to happen and
they just let it happen but why
well there was a number of reasons
number one they needed more time
they needed to get the program back
on schedule and the only way they could
do that was to have a horrendous
accident and they wanted to get rid of
grissom and so as you know the new york
times and i forget the guy
the story the next day was that he
talked to nasa and they said that the
tape was gruesome of the last few
minutes and of course we've all heard
that grissom didn't say anything
we all know what he said he was saying
you know you bastard you've killed us
all you know i knew this was coming to
this you know i hope you all watch us
you know die and just really bad and so
i'm sure that's what happened and i saw
another quote
just yesterday i can't remember what it
was about uh how gruesome the tape was
wow
we'd like to ask you if clark mcclellan
has got something to say about this as
well yeah
we're in touch with clark but we haven't
met him uh clark's great guy i've known
him since
1990 we've never met but we've always
talked on the phone
uh you know i've always tried to get his
notes he has his book ready he has three
books he doesn't want to publish one of
them he wants spiders all three i don't
blame him he knows a lot of stuff he
knows as you know much more than i'm
telling you do you see do you think that
his he's actually going to get his books
published are they going to let him out
not a chance
danielle
the only thing you know i'd like to get
them but you know clark is so pissed and
i don't know what happened but i know he
is the insider the insider uh of nasa
there's nobody uh
in the position you know that could come
out and say more than clark i mean he
was there from the beginning
but they've done just about everything
but kill him he hasn't got it right all
right
absolutely um
anyway one more thing i'm going to tell
you about norm because we're going to
get it in
it into it later
i told norm the last time this last last
year i went to the ufo expo
and
well they got some good information
uh but anyway i want to see norm and uh
you not well
and uh he's had several surgeries
and i
i expect any day to hear that that he's
passed away he's 87
and i said norm
i said
uh i'm thinking that
that the airplanes that crashed into the
world trade center were holographs
and he said john you're probably right
and here's why
he said just before i retired i was
driving down from on the bayshore
freeway
to sunnyvale and he said i had a friend
in the right seat of the car and he says
like it was about eight o'clock in the
morning maybe 8 15. he said we're
driving south and we saw this shadow we
looked up and here he says it wasn't a
747 but it was a huge four-engine
airplane it wasn't 200 feet above us and
he said we looked out and looked at this
thing and said of course we're you know
20 miles from san jose you know and 30
miles from san francisco there's no
possible way an airplane could you know
legitimately be flying right there and
he says we watch it for about 10 seconds
and it went
just just like you turned the light bulb
out
and he said so he said if that was the
contemporary uh holograph uh
presentation of a holograph he says then
you're right
and you know the holograph
the holographic
technology is so far advanced uh that
people just wouldn't believe it but
the other day i had a lady here that was
helping uh marylee on a casting
program actually she hired merely she
was from new york she had two degrees
from
harvard she was just a wonderful
smart
receptive lady and we were talking about
holographs he says well let me tell you
he said about five years ago i was
invited with about
15 other television executives
into a private showing uh in hollywood
and there was a you know a little
auditorium it wasn't very big it could
seat like maybe 30 people
and it was called the presentation was
called the future of television
and she said i don't remember when
steven spielberg was there but you know
everybody else was and she said it was
you know brightly lit
and there was a
stage and a podium on the stage
and we're sitting there and and this guy
comes out from uh behind and he's a kind
of uh
east
german accent east european accent white
hair has glasses and he comes out and he
starts telling us the history of
television and how they
came up with the first uh first uh
cathode ray tube and how they did this
and how did you do it and you know he's
uh walks down in front of the stage you
know walks up one of the aisles he's
polishing his glasses you know walks in
front of walks back up to the stage you
know and she says
it was pretty boring she says after
about 20 minutes he wraps it up with
something you know and that's the
history of television and he puts his
glasses on it
just like a light he disappeared
he was a hologram yeah and so you know
that was seven years ago so that's what
television
is coming to is you won't have a screen
right you'll just turn it on and it'll
be happening right there it's right
there
that's great so well that makes sense
the reason i tell you that yellow book i
mean they had the yellow book right from
what the crash in 1947
apparently so and that's substantiated
by dan bierisch over and over again
so that's that's a hologram
you know technology right so
the reason i tell you that is that they
back engineered it on ats
when i first went there
one of the things i talked about was you
know
there were no planes
on 9 11. okay this is this is really
there was no airplane in the pentagon
there was no repair plane at the world
trade center and i'm telling you when i
started talking about holographs
then
the descent i mean the crush
of uh guys that were out to kill me i
mean it was amazing there was like 20
guys you're nuts you know this is
absolute you know you're doing a
disservice to the 911 you know
movement you know to find out the truth
you know you talk about that no he's
going to be about the fact was it was a
holograph then it was cgi
and
right so can you take us through that
take us through why you think that's
true and how you got i mean you're a
pilot you certainly have you know a vote
in whether those planes had the capacity
to hit those buildings because our henry
deacon has told us some very interesting
things also about those planes actually
he thinks they're rem they were remote
controlled
um
i don't know if that's true but
basically that planes don't have the
ability to actually steer into
buildings at that level i mean i'm i'm
not a pilot so i don't understand the
logistics but how did you come around to
this okay first of all we're going to
talk about
flight 11 and 77 didn't exist in the
beginning
the bureau of uh transportation
statistics has no record of them taking
off as no you know so let's forget about
them because they did not exist so now
we're just talking about 175
and uh
and flight 93
flight 93 allegedly crashed to
shanksville
uh anybody who has any background and
accident investigation or any background
at all can't possibly believe in
airplane crash there was no wreckage
it just simply could not happen okay as
far as uh 175 machine to the south tower
i just recently put in a call to uh
pan american
flight simulator in miami to see if i
could rent a 767 200 which they have and
what i wanted to do was take six
candidates six candidate pilots
one current qualified in seven six seven
two hundred one may be uh qualified but
not current and then one
uh maybe current and high speed jet but
not the seven 767 and then the last
three uh the same
currency as the alleged hijackers like a
couple hours an apache a private license
maybe a commercial something like that
and what i would do is in the simulator
you know you can take them up uh um that
new york is uh is just like it is i mean
the buildings are there uh
and i would take them and freeze them in
a position 20 miles out at 7 000 feet
560 miles an hour put them in the seat
say you know and then give them two
minutes of looking at the horizons show
them where the world trade center is and
say i'm about to release you when i do
uh you'll have a minute and 50 seconds
to hit dead center now the world trade
center is 220 feet wide you got to hit
to the center not left or right right to
the center
and explain how it goes then i would
have one camera pointing at the pilot
and one camera pointing at what he's
looking at all right and then say go and
say okay now show me how easy this is
you know because all the guys on at oh i
did that in flight simulator no problem
you know it's
it's impossible at the height of my
career uh as proficient i was in every
kind of airplane there's no way i could
have done that i mean it's just too
complex first of all uh the airplane
can't fly above 560 miles an hour it
can't fly more than 360 which is its
velocity max operating maybe could fly
maybe 30 40 miles an hour faster than
that but at vmo the clacker comes on the
clacker is an fa required
safety device which uh clacks loud
click a trick and it clacks at a rate in
a cycle that irritates the pilot so that
he can't ignore it he has to has to slow
down you know now there's no possibility
a hijacker first time in the airplane is
not only going to you know fly it at 390
mile 400 miles but do it with that
clacker you know and descend and hit
that thing center it can't happen you
know
i have a question here that i may um
we have a credible witness who says that
the planes weren't piloted but they were
remotely controlled like um unmanned
vehicles from thousands of miles away
and he said yes but i'm asking john to
comment on that from the point of view
this also answers the question raised by
the fact that no human pilot could have
hit that small target
no airplane crashed in the world trade
center
first of all uh
remote controlling an airplane that size
or any size is very difficult
and so
um i don't believe you could remote
control an airplane the size of a 767
200 anyway particularly to hit dead
center
of the
of the world trade center but the fact
is there was no wreckage
from any airplane in the world trade
center
and by no wreckage
i mean nothing was found
of any size anywhere around now there
was a panel of a fuselage that you see
with five window shades but
uh when each airplane american airlines
the north tower and united airlines and
south tower hit it was two-fifths of a
second
while they disappeared uh into the
airplane so
in two fifths of a second you're not
going to have a panel about seven feet
long
drift down you know and just be lying
there
in almost perfect condition
unless it was accompanied by mohamed
ada's passport
the
the only other thing that was found was
the engine on murray street
and the engine on murray street is has
been identified as either a cfm56
cfm stands for synecma
and
or
the cf6
which was a 7 6 engine 767 engine which
was developed out of the cfm
56
but whichever one it was the cf6 or the
cfm56 it had to be general electric and
unfortunately or fortunately united
airlines used strictly pratt whitney so
that engine that you see flying off and
that engine they say is from 175 isn't
from 175
because the guys who job was to dump it
off there you know and a smoking
smoldering thing dumped off the wrong
engine uh there was a lot of things that
the perps did uh that were that were
suspect here uh you know the collapse of
building number seven is just absolutely
ridiculous right and the reason they had
to do it that way is because
uh i suspect the holographic projector
that projected flight 175 and flight 11
somehow became disabled because flight
93 was the one that was supposed to
crash into building seven and when they
couldn't do it they had to do things
quickly make it fake 93 creation and
changeville and i can imagine these guys
all day long what are we going to do
nobody's going to believe this thing
just collapsed you know
from a little fire and about five
o'clock you know they said well let's go
ahead and do it maybe no one will notice
so i go out this 47 story building you
know into its footprint you know and
expect everybody to believe it and of
course they did okay so they collapsed
it into its footprint but what did they
use
i mean don't they have scalar weaponry i
mean you know can't they just hit it yes
we do but that that particular thing was
collapsed because uh it had controlled
demolition just like the world trade
center right the world trade center
what they did with controlled
demolitions the first part was to make
the what we call the wiley coyote cutout
uh in the in the face like like an
airplane crashed in which is absolutely
insanely ridiculous but a lot of people
believed it uh and then the other thing
is they had to use control control
demolitions to cut each girder to 30
feet so it would
fit on rudy giuliani's trucks going out
of town the world trade center was
collapsed by a direct energy weapon
being operated from one other space
weapons platforms and the reason we know
that is because
of the size of the dust that was left to
the concrete it was approximately 80
microns and that's what a direct energy
weapon
collapsed when it's pointed down that's
what it uses it's called
molecular disassociation i mean it just
disassociates the molecular structure of
concrete and that's why all that dust
was there there was just nothing left
and that's why
um the
basement of the world trade center uh
was molten for six weeks is because when
it finally does hit the ground it heats
it up so much it's gonna you can pour as
much water as you want it's not gonna
cool off for a time
so i believe that all of this was
controlled by the e4b the the doomsday
airplane the 747 that was seen flying
over the white house i think there's the
one that did the holodraft projection
and they also transmitted the cgi
computer graphics to the different tv
channels to to show the airplanes
allegedly crashing that's why we had the
accidental nose out on one of the on one
of the buildings they were the ones that
uh
sent the alleged uh
uh cell phone messages which never
occurred uh they did all kinds of stuff
they made probably transponder things
for the different atc's to phone so
you're saying the hologram had to come
out of had to be by a done by a plane in
the air
really yeah it was done by a projector a
holographic projector okay so
the technology exists out there have you
i mean
and i i understand that you you talked
to your friend
um who wrote the book norm uh but where
else have you heard about this
holographic technology
ron blackburn you know who he is
no
do you know who he is no i didn't
ron blackburn uh was with lockheed for
30 years uh he was with the stealth
program stealth
program project up at groom lake for 20
years he was the one that i first heard
there was aliens at the test site now
when i first met him you know 10 15
years ago he denied knowing everything
now he's gotten a little bit
more lacks about what he says i mean he
said you know i have a groom like you
know there's an administration building
you know for just for the the aliens up
there ron was at my birthday party here
um
so he's retired he's gonna get to this
guy as well he's retired he's very
careful about what he says and he still
has retirement uh but he came to my
birthday party and he told us about
um
holographic projections he says they
contain
sound light heat everything i mean
everything is there one of the people
one of the problems that people have
with holographic addresses well i saw it
it could have been you know like you
know they think of hollywood
holographic projections like you see in
las vegas or at a birthday party you
know where it's a little dancing light
like there see through it yeah amazing
well i saw it couldn't be you know it's
ridiculous and then they say well how
would they have done the sound they
would have had as speakers all up and
down
you know the street it's too bad people
you know they don't really realize how
far we are advanced with our technology
they were fooled it was a scam it was a
psyop and
um okay so who ran it basically i call
them the nasty
nasa
nazis and the military industrial
complex and uh
hoaglan tells exactly who they are and
how they took over and that's who ran it
now
uh in march 31st
2007 last year a guy named morgan
reynolds have you heard the name
yes okay filed a suit called a quid am
complaint against these 22 companies and
we're talking about major companies here
science applications international
corporation applied research
uh
you know hughes
all these companies right here are being
sued and what they're being sued for
is
accepting money for prior providing a
government agency with fraudulent
information the government agency they
provided with his fraudulent information
was nist the national institute of
standards of technology nist was asked
by president bush to determine exactly
why
the world center collapsed what actually
caused it to collapse
and
they came up with a reason that you know
the jet fuel and it was just so far
ridiculous but morgan filed this suit
and it's 40 pages and he outlines
everything that they got wrong
and so the suit has been going along in
court now
as to the holographic planes
as part of the suit right uh well what i
did is i filed an affidavit on january
20
uh 28 2008 this year in support of the
complaint and in opposition to the
motion to dismiss and basically what i
testified is number one
why the airplanes couldn't have traveled
as fast they did and how they couldn't
be uh flown
as well as they were and why there you
know there was no wreckage uh in there
and i think this other pilots haven't
come forward because this is other
pilots are employed they can't afford to
come forward there's very few you know
people not there's a lot of this is our
country we're talking about you know
they can't do it a lot of my information
was taken from aerodynamics for navy
enable availabilities and i explain why
an airplane cannot fly 500 miles at a
thousand feet it has to do with drag and
it has to do with power and it has to do
with the fact that they use turbo fans
it just cannot happen so anyway the
government's in uh
uh and this contention that you know
that they flew 500 miles an hour it
didn't happen it couldn't happen so
basically that's what i explained in my
suit now you say why don't many pilots
come forward many have there's an
organization called pilots for truth
uh dot com and i'm a member one of the
earlier members of that and uh and
there's a lot of people that
that realize that this couldn't have
possibly happened there is no
an an airplane like um
a boeing 757 flying flying into the
pentagon no that that didn't happen um
so is so what what happened at the
pentagon
at the pentagon a bomb went off to make
that hole there and they had a 55 gallon
drum of diesel fuel that a guy lit to
make all that black smoke there and
april gallup yeah i think the april
gallup story is fascinating abel gallup
was the uh army okay so let's
let's go back where we were which is
we're talking about ample gown
right april okay
april gallup uh was a
army
specialist
and i forget what her job was but she
was
she had a top secret clearance she was
sitting about 40 feet from the
where the explosion made the hole in the
front of the pentagon
and she had her six-month-old son right
below her desk and she thought that was
odd because you know usually
uh when she went to work before going
through security they had to put the
little kids in daycare but on that day
security said you know take take
the the kid in with you so she had it
she had the kid right below in his uh
little holder there and she says
it was really strange because as she
pressed the on button for her computer
that's when
the building exploded and she said a
little debris came down on her and she
saw the hole over there and she thought
i got to get out of here so she picked
up her kid put it over his back and went
towards that opening and uh she
got through that opening onto the grass
which is where
eventually triage was set up but she
said she saw no missile saw no airplane
smelled no fuel there was no you know no
airplane in there and later in the
hospital
she got inver interviewed by army
intelligence
and they asked her what she saw
and she started to say i didn't see
anything and they said no yes you did
you saw a boeing 757 uh crash into there
and she's no no no i didn't i mean there
was nothing there and
she's gone through hell for the last uh
four or five years
trying to get medical care
it's been a really uh
very very sad story but one of the
things i want to show
this is a page from a military manual
talking about stuff that they would like
to uh
get in the year 2025.
uh this is called airborne holo
holographic projector
you can see where i got it you can't get
it anymore here but was www.au.af
dot mil
and uh i got about 250 pages of this
stuff uh but it says
it's talking about a hologram machine it
refers to enemy perception management is
that right that's such a wonderful
euphemism have i remembered that right
yeah it says a brief description the
holographic projector plays a
three-dimensional visual image in a
desired location removed from the
display generator the projector can be
used for psychological operations and
strategic perception management it is
also useful for optical deception and
cloaking providing a momentary
distraction when engaging an
unsophisticated adversary and it has
capabilities precision projection of a
three-dimensional visual images into a
selected area supports psyop and
strategic deception management and
provides deception and cloaking against
uh optical centers okay and when was
that written do you know uh i think in
1999.
i'm not sure i'll i'll give you an
address where you can get it now okay
it's not at that address but i think
right it's at maxwell air force but you
have to i mean we have to believe that
if that's out in the public sector that
that this is just the tip of the iceberg
as far as this technology goes
absolutely
strategic perception management isn't
that just wonderful
i think that's so great
all right an unsophisticated enemy like
the people on the streets of new york
i was going to say that
and i thought you know what i don't
think i'll stay there
nothing personal against me but they
have and then when you go into it they
have
what they call the hybrid
high energy laser system
but when you go in here
and get a close-up of this system
it's showing you how they could attack
right between
iran and afghanistan it's hilarious you
know it's that's we're going to be
attacking and that's where they knew
they were going to be attacking back in
you know
1999 you know and that that was
published then so you can see how far
ahead they planned this stuff i mean
they planted 30 years ahead i'm i was
looking for that page okay when you say
they're going to be attacking between
iran and
afghanistan that's where the pipeline is
coming they want that area right why we
so that's why we're going to war with
iran is what you're saying yeah we want
to clear that area so we can run the
pipe pipeline down there and they're
going to use
it sounds like you're saying they're
going to use a special kind of weapon to
attack well they could use that hybrid
high energy laser you know they got
plenty of stuff they could use but it
was just odd that you know that it would
be already on paper
available to the public to show them
where they're going to be attacking
okay this is what you said to us
camera just before we started was you
felt that there was going to be i think
you used the words nuclear war
oh yeah i i have no doubt that we're
going to nuke iran um
i'm sure that's in the plan and
cheney certainly wants to do it you know
um
i don't know uh
have any inside information but it looks
to me like
uh
one of the scenario possible scenarios
would be
bush gets assassinated
in october cheney becomes
president and then declares martial law
and then
some something happens and where we have
to attack iran of course we won't dac
iran we'll get israel to do it and
they'll attack them with their nukes and
then we'll slap them on the wrist by
saying we're going to give you 50
billion dollars for a
rehabilitation program here so that you
won't nuke anybody else
psychological rehabilitation program
will give you know
okay but but nobody's going to get away
with nuking anyone i mean in other words
you're going to have china you're going
to have russia i mean
basically we're going to be in world war
three at that point right yeah but it
won't be that big uh what they're going
to do is um
cut the cables
uh communities
cable things yeah so that there's not a
lot of community
there's a lot not communications so that
no one knows what's really happening no
one really knows what's happening
it'll be all handled on a upper level
all this is handled on an upper level
all this has been planned in in
communication with and in agreement with
china and russia they all know what's
going on
so it'll be you know just to try out new
weapons well actually this is what uh
again our henry deacon says he says
china's in on it there's going to be a
war with china but they already know
it's planned of course
and uh like everybody was ready for the
japanese cayuga and the and the chinese
satellite and on ats they said they'll
tell us what's going on they'll give us
the real pictures and all they did was
recycle old nasa pictures you know and
of course china was very embarrassed
they you know they said these are not
recycled nasa pictures but you could go
right to where you know yes that was an
old recycled dance i think now what
they're doing up there orbiting the moon
if they are orbiting the moon i don't
know but they're certainly not taking
pictures you know that they could use
for themselves
why not
because they're already in on it they
already know what's there i mean uh you
know so what's the most so so what's the
mo behind doing all of this i mean why
are they
why are they gonna plan wars nuclear
you're talking about nuclear wars where
you know millions of people are gonna
die land is going to become
uninhabitable i mean you know this is
crazy even if they want to keep a
pipeline there what's the point in
making the land i mean you know
you know they've cleaned up nuclear
weapons in the past 30 years they don't
have that much radiation
why go nuclear though i mean it's so
messy why would i i mean you know i'm
not a military guy but if they've got
scalar weaponry and they've got harp i
mean you know they've got earthquakes
they can cause i mean
there are a lot of other things they can
do besides going i mean that just seems
like the nth degree
of insanity why would they do it you
know it's like asking when i talk about
endeavor in the space shuttle uh being
um such an outmoded uh method of getting
the is and people say well you know if
we have all this cool stuff that you say
like you know uh
satellites and anti-grav stuff and
everything why they use a space shuttle
the same thing with the nuke thing
there's levels of uh
secrecy levels of intelligence you want
to keep a certain segment of the people
knowing just you know thinking that the
space shuttle is all we got you know and
nuclear weapons is all we got so we use
those uh it's that type of deal
okay so you're going to kill millions of
people eliminate i don't think it'll be
millions but it'll be a few
and what is iran going to do at that
point you know
oh they'll get all pissed off i don't
really know what they'll do uh-huh
okay do you have any inside contacts
about this
uh
let's see about iran about nuking iran
yeah
no
okay
what about
2012 and a hologram of an alien invasion
have you heard this scenario
absolutely would be probably what
they're going to do um
they're going to put a hologram and say
oh we're being attacked you know by
aliens uh we've made a deal with the
ambassador and he says that they feel
that earth is a threat and but if you
all take all any weapons you have and
turn them in that they'll give us a
second chance
so at that point we have one world
government because they can put
everybody under the same
roof and basically all the countries
you're talking about individuals
bringing their rifles yeah individuals
yeah that's one of the things
that's one of the things the aliens want
is for all you guys you know
to turn in your individual weapons so
that they don't feel so much of a threat
but aliens come on well okay so this is
a scenario it's a scenario where the
government wants to disarm us and the
way is to put a hologram up there of an
attack and they say we've been in
communications with them common enemy
and right and it's a fake and you can
really help us if you'll turn in all
your weapons of course by the time we
turn in all our weapons you know there's
not much we can do
when we find out it's just a scam
like 911 was
yeah that's a scenario i'm sure that's
going to happen
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