foreign
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a small plane go down somewhere in
Africa and we were not able to find it
by surveillance so the director of the
CIA heard about a woman in California
that was a medium or something not
another title for and she gave him the
latitude and longitude of the plane's
whereabouts and we located the plane
where she said it was
and that's the only climate I ever
experienced something that was
inexplicable while I was present
he was the most psychic man in the world
but nobody seems to know what killed him
it began with Russell [ __ ] the physicist
in the Beret there appeared at my door
with a box of documents
okay so this is barker701 this is where
the
caretaker told me I should start
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and I'm going to see what this is
marker 700
so indeed indeed pass grave is entirely
unmarked
I I think he deserves better than that
this is probably my last opportunity
to say goodbye to my good friend Pat
price often said The more attention you
place on hiding something the more it
shines like a beacon in psychic space
Pat Price died in 1975.
and some people believe it was because
of his work with remote viewing
psychic spies Cold War Whimsy or secret
weapon
some people may have certain psychic
powers this may reassure you it may
alarm you but in fact for some years now
the U.S intelligence Community has
wagered a modest amount of money on the
possibility that such powers do exist
do exist
but the most enduring experiments have
been in the field of remote viewing
we got into it when we discovered that
they were in it
we found that many individuals
will describe what's going on in distant
locations blocked from any kind of
ordinary perception
are you saying the work you've been
doing is classified
I really can't talk about uh matters of
classification as you can imagine my
name is Russell targ and I'm a physicist
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foreign
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this is our last chance to tell our
story
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I haven't been on a road trip like this
for many years
they always assume that people are
immortal
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I hope the people who have seen a used
operational material will say yes that
really happened
a huge Trove of material was
Declassified by the CIA so this is
really the first time that the people
who were cognizant of secret material
can talk about it
at one time humanity worshiped fire
the shamans called it magic and the
people feared it
and now science recognizes fire as
simply another part of the natural world
ideas change based on new evidence
fear of the unknown
Remains
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What if psychic abilities were real
what if you could look anywhere using
only the power of your mind
and if these abilities really exist
what would that do to the world
when it found out
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the CIA financed a project in 1975 to
develop a new kind of agent who could
truly be called a spoon
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Dad when you when you told me that you
were interested in using classified
materials that you're eager to get them
out and you were I was principally
concerned for you and our family no
doubt no no doubt uh we received the
letter from the CA and said sorry not
now but later they bought Nicholas I'm
just going to publish the the book and I
just thought that what could be more
important than to help my father at one
get the documents that he was seeking
but also to help make sure that he
stayed out of jail so that all seemed
like a very worthwhile uh Enterprise
yeah very good thinking and I then
contacted the congresswoman in Palo Alto
and she submitted a letter on your
behalf as well oh that's very nice I
didn't know that several months later
the CIA released the documents that we
had requested we were able to tell me
the story in full detail
if I taught you to expect a miracle has
been worthwhile
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floodgates now open an additional 70 000
documents on remote viewing were
Declassified
I can now show everybody these pictures
without having to kill them afterwards
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you can actually take out a thin air
information about something you have
absolutely no access to just using your
mind
if we want to know why the CIA was lying
about our program
perhaps we should go to Detroit and talk
to Kit green our former contract monitor
he was branch chief of the life sciences
division at CIA
I was given the result the drawings
showed the ability of a visual
representation that appeared to be
better than overhead imagery in Pat
Price's drawings it was as if it was
from inside his brain that the
information was coming not from his
eyeballs overhead looking down
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it was obvious to any intelligence
organization that if you had an ability
to be able to remotely perceive stuff
really remotely like any place in the
world that could be an extraordinary
intelligence source
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the remote viewing program basically ran
from the early 70s to the mid 90s
for more than 20 years the CIA used
psychic abilities operationally and in a
top secret program for the U.S
government
you paid for them you deserve to see
them
said cease and desist people said this
stuff is so intriguing that we got back
into the game
we once found a guy that could see
anywhere in the world through his
psychic powers
he could show him a picture of any place
and he could describe any activity going
on there but he died and we haven't
heard from him since
CIA director Stansfield Turner Chicago
Tribune August 1977.
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so I believe when he died he was out in
Las Vegas or something and and kit green
rushed out there
even though he died
unattended in a hotel room you don't
need to make it a medical examiner case
although that's not correct and he was
taken to the emergency room which I
visited speaking now is a criminologist
I would have investigated the hell out
of it
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but the water is a little bit murky
so I'm going to change to a bigger fly
that they can see better
oh there we go we got one
so what do you do with it
Catch and Release only the Cutthroats
are now pretty endangered so you can't
keep them where
yeah the red is it's like his throat's
been cut yeah
Ken press with a long-term contract
monitor at CIA he was a physicist
Ken Crest became a Mythic figure when he
wrote a lawn paper and animals of
intelligence describing our program but
has never come forward Cress had never
been interviewed before this film and
every question we asked had to be
submitted for vetting by the CIA I was
Undercover the fact that CIA was
doing anything with SRI was
confidential information
so Sid Gottlieb looked around came up
with my name because I was a physicist
and he called me in and he said well I'd
like you to take over this project
and he said the reason is is there's two
physicists at SRI and I think you three
can probably communicate
the first series of experiments here at
Stanford Research Institute well what
the scientists called remote viewing
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for example here is a reenactment of one
of the first experiments last year the
subject was a New York artist named Ingo
Swann he was in the room the
experimenters Dr Harold putoff and
Russell [ __ ] were driving away in a car
their destination was in a sealed
envelope this day it was Palo Alto City
Hall the subject did not know
but back in the room the subject began
sketching and describing where he
imagined they might be
here was the tape recording that he made
then there must be buildings around and
this would be sort of an area they
closed at some sort a quadrangle or a
quad
and
then I sort of felt that there might be
a fountain around but I didn't hear any
water in it
there is a fountain that day it was
turned off
back in the room the subject sketched a
pattern he thought was crosswalks coming
together in a circle in fact the
courtyard is paved in this pattern
the courtyard where they were is two
miles from the room where the subject
was there had been no communication
between them
somehow or another kick green and Ingo
got together when I but kick had a came
up with a report and he sent this back
circulating through CIA
and eventually got to Sid gottlie
Gottlieb that was already predisposed to
look at the psychic phenomena from 10
years ago
as the cia's sorcerer Gottlieb attempted
to raise assassination to an art form
out of his Labs had come many
debilitating potions
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we knew who Sid Gottlieb was who the
director of the famous MK Ultra program
this is by 1974 MK Ultra was the cia's
notorious mind control program in the
1950s and 60s where they were giving LSD
to people to see if you could create a
Manchurian Candidate and strip away
their Memories We considered him sort of
the Joseph Mengele of the American side
Mengele of course with the notorious
Nazi physician who did biological
experiments on Jewish prisoners Godley
was not doing that goth Libra of course
is Jewish he was just torturing other
people independent of racial religion
these are an equal opportunity
misanthrope
from my point of view he reminded me of
my old Uncle Sid
when he died he was out in Las Vegas or
something in Las Vegas
in early 1972 I briefed NASA and the CIA
on proposed experiments to help people
develop their psychic abilities well
Helen I thought it would be very
interesting to meet with sigatlib he was
enthusiastic about the idea of giving
remote viewers LSD as a way of enhancing
their psychic abilities I was opposed to
that remote viewing requires the
person's conscious cooperation and we
explained that to Gottlieb and he seemed
to completely understand so he led us
down into the basement of the Pentagon
and it seemed us that he was sort of
stored in the basement with all of his
books the only really comfortable place
we'd ever been in the CIA the idea after
talking to Gottlieb that the decision to
give us money to go forward
probably had already been made
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reports that the Soviets were using
psychics to spy on us prompted us to do
the same to them there was Intelligence
hard intelligence I mean intelligence
that was like really really good
internal program Intelligence about what
the Soviets were doing in in medicine
and psychology
that stated that they believed that
United States military United States
Intelligence Officers and United States
scientists would be ripe
for recruitment
as spies
if they were interested
in crazy things like psychic research
remote viewing and parapsychology and
they would tell their government people
that were responsible for doing
recruiting and so forth hey if you want
to find somebody in a Washington DC area
that might be pretty interesting find
somebody that spends their time doing
psychic research they must have been
following Russ around constantly then
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it's natural for a visually handicapped
person like me to be interested in
Optics magic and extra sensory
perception
I'm a legally blind motorcycle riding
physicist
in 1934 I was born in Chicago
I was a child magician I used to perform
magic tricks at birthday parties and art
openings as a magician I understand how
people can be tricked that's always made
me a better researcher especially in a
field like ESP
I left graduate school at Columbia in
1956 and in 1958 I began working on the
earliest development of the laser
I was looking for a way to get into some
kind of psychical research and still
support my family
Russell was enthusiastic and Hal was uh
more like what you would expect a
theoretician to be but they both came
across as you know physicists I heard
that there was going to be a lecture at
Stanford University and there was a
young physicist Hal put off giving a
lecture on Psychic discoveries behind
the Iron Curtain American and Russian
ESP
and I then went back and talked to my
new friend Hal putoff and said I think I
got some dough let's talk to your
management about creating a program and
he said that would be very nice you just
have to promise that you'll keep a low
profile
so that was in June of 1972 And this led
to the beginning of our program at SRI
to investigate psychic abilities
I look forward to coming to work every
day had a new miracle I feel like the
child magician finally got a job doing
magic
as we were doing these experiments we
began to run into Flack from the
psychologists at SRI
they said you know you've got that crazy
ESP
experiments going on that's going to
ruin our reputation we're going to lose
our fun and get rid of those guys
Hal had worked for several years Naval
intelligence in Washington and that may
have made him a little more secretive
indeed yep
I had access to one of the most shielded
experiments on the planet it was a
shielded magnetometer that measures weak
magnetic fields against this better
judgment Hal snuck his very first
subject into a forbidden Lab at Stanford
the man claimed to be the greatest
psychic in the world
and his name was Ingo Swann
Swann claimed that he could move the
needle of an unswayable magnetometer
buried under 30 feet of concrete with a
classified design used to sniff out
nuclear explosions
it even had superconducting shelving its
claim to fame was
that nothing from the outside could
affect it
not only could Ingo perfectly sketch the
design but the needle moved
and nearly got them kicked out of
Stanford for breaking the experiment
and that got the attention of the CIA
I asked the CIA agents you know why are
you looking me up says well we couldn't
care less about the fact that he
pertured that magnetometer but the fact
that he could look through
superconducting shielding
and see what was inside that is really a
concern
in a way I can understand other people's
response to our work if someone had come
up and told me four years ago the kinds
of things I'm now telling people I think
I would have been skeptical also
when I first met Ingo of course he was
coming out with his claim of quote being
a psychic and at that time before I
started seeing results I was very
skeptical
and he was very confident
the psychic is a kind of remote sensing
device and that I think has a
contribution to make to both science and
Humanity to understand Ingo I think you
have to see a creative
highly intelligent deeply wounded man
who
found in remote viewing
Pathway to the Acclaim that he sought
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we might do an experiment that looked
like a really good outcome and he would
say no no this this is not so good and
he would come up with some loophole
and so he would say look if we take
credit for an experiment and then
someone can come along later and find
some loophole or some false positive
then they'll reject it and then even
when we do good experiments or rejected
he told me his story he was a homosexual
which doesn't matter I mean who cares
but it mattered to him because he told
me a story which I've never forgotten
being beaten up by a bunch of boys who
he liked and admired when he was a youth
and I think he he wanted to be
acknowledged I've often recovered many
of the thoughts about existence I had as
a child
a major one of these was the separation
of Consciousness from the body which was
very real when I was a child this kind
of thing happens in art I believe and
always have believed and I returned to
it many times in my life that I am not
this body
in terms of Consciousness and
Consciousness can go places where the
body cannot
very important to him to be validated by
SRI
SRI was the first lab
of a different order of magnitude from
all prior parapsychological research
what SRI was always upset about is that
during our day here we brought in one
percent of the money and 99 of the
publicity
back in 1972 SRI was primarily a
contractor for the government and some
industry
with the riots in the late 60s or the
70s
fact that classified work was going on
Stanford University
they did like that
up until that time most
parapsychological research was done by
small foundations on minuscule budgets
operating in a corner of some basement
at SRI the level of classification was
top secret it took a long time to get
the security clearance you can't walk
around you have to be escorted because
of the secret projects full of
high-class scientific equipment beeping
and showing on the cathode ray tubes and
all that and when Russell and Hal got
positioned there
it had a big impact
and on Ingo it had a particularly big
impact because the work that he did at
SRI drew a lot of attention to be in
that kind of laboratory they must be
very important and really have a grasp
of the truth so you guys had a
psychological procedure that in the
neighborhood thing as it were that was
fantastic and I think that's partially
why you got such damn good results and
all of them succeeded in remote viewing
do not know how
and so maybe one of the most important
things about the work done here
is that it has been published in one of
the most conservative and prestigious
scientific journals in the world
with this note
few readers will finish without
wondering for at least a moment if
indeed ESP might be possible after all
what a difference that would make to us
all
Jack Perkins NBC News Stanford Research
Institute California
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Ingo is really the father of remote
viewing in the modern era before Ingo
people were describing the picture in
the envelope
Square
good guess but wrong
he said if I want to see what's in the
envelope I'll open the envelope I can
focus my attention anywhere on the
planet give me something interesting to
look at and he threatened to quit and so
he asked him well you know what do you
mean what would you like to do and he
says just send somebody out in the San
Francisco Bay area and I'll describe
where they are well it takes a lot of
guts to accept a challenge like this
the psychics involved
could sort of get into it at a creative
level and discover things very distant
from themselves and then go find out if
they were really there
well we had by now
30
analysts not scientists
in CIA and maybe six or seven scientists
in CIA
talking about these initial dozen or so
results of these anecdotal situations we
began by speaking of some kind of a
almost a psychic arms race here is there
any real application to this
at that time there were rumors certainly
that the government was doing something
but nobody actually knew what was going
on why
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by the intelligence communities chasing
after this thing called remote viewing
what if there are no secrets what's
really going on here
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they had to put resources on something
that sounded crazy that's what it was
and we would all talk about them and say
well I know I didn't lie I know you
didn't lie and we'd get polygraphed once
in a while and it became clear we
weren't lying that wasn't the issue
what's going on
these people from CIA were very
concerned they had one goal in mind
proved that it was nonsense well we've
looked into your background you've had
these high security clearances you've
been polygraphed we know we can trust
you
the Russians have been spending millions
of dollars over a decade at some of
their best institutes investigating
so-called ESP no scientists in America
even believe they're such a thing as ESP
in fact it was because the Soviets had a
completely materialistic Viewpoint even
in linen's writings he said since
Consciousness is an observable
it must be physical
and therefore physical things must have
Consciousness and so he thought even
Adams had some level of consciousness
and then the question becomes how close
does it have to be for you to see it can
you see it in this room in the next how
about can you see in the other side of
town the question began to start
formulate about distance Maybe
like everything else that we know
physically it's quantum mechanical that
means it's spread out everywhere it's
not in space-time anymore so it's
exactly the same way that I can focus on
my name being spoke there's something
about attention
that that I can use in order to narrow
in and pay attention to something so if
I want to pay attention to what's
happening on Pluto a million years ago I
should be able to do that
that's kind of what the remote viewers
do I mean Ingo Swan was looking at
Jupiter nine months before Voyager got
there and correctly described rings that
no astronomer had ever seen or even
suspected
so how did he do that well it suggests
that the rings of Jupiter was in his
head already this becomes a very
materialistic way of thinking about
what's going on but who cares I mean I'm
interested in what what the truth is
and we don't know how to evaluate this
we don't know if it's a threat or what
well I would say the difference between
the American Scientific community and
the Soviet is that at the highest levels
in the Soviet scientific Community
psychic research is taken seriously and
there's no doubt about it and you claim
in in this country it is not I would say
in this country it's not because people
are worried about these so-called giggle
potential our normal socialization being
a psychologist now is that stuff like
ESP is nonsense it can't happen so if
somebody tells you to do it they're
asking something stupid
and they banged a telephone book size
thing down in the table paraphysics r d
Warsaw Pact from the defense
intelligence agency when I thumbed
through that and saw all the work that
was going on so the CIO is tracking all
of these people yeah in this case it was
uh Dia here is the report that I finally
wrote that summarized uh everything we
could find at that time and it was
called a key intelligence question
number nine I labeled it power physics
because I had to find a word that
allowed us at the foreign technology
division just to sense that there is a
legitimate physics connection here so
let's let's just randomly like a
government support for parapsychics
research paraphysics paraphysics
paraphysics
um returning with stories of official
government support for such research in
fact such support seems unquestioned by
anyone all of the Soviet centers of
course are government funded 1971
that's right so especially over there
since everything was government funded
you had to take it more seriously in
principle this document forms more
policy than anything else that goes on
in the intelligence Community is why
should the intelligence community be
interested in it access information in
an engineering sense you can use it for
communications like to remote places
submarines and I came up later I thought
you know they'd laugh me out of the room
so so what was their what was their
reaction positive it was positive you
got a positive reaction yes they said
hey this is good stuff follow it
when he wrote his first report Dale Graf
had no idea what he was getting defense
intelligence into
despite a series of remote viewing
experiments that beat the odds at over 1
million to one
the CIA was still skeptical the Army CIA
Dia they are had remote viewing programs
eventually but it all began with the NSA
break-in
the real operational work began not with
the bang of bullets and bombs
but with a whisper I'm sorry actually I
misdirected you you were on the right no
no we should be up there about two
psychics and two laser physicists that
broke into the most secret NSA site that
ever existed
it was a whisper that would eventually
be heard around the world
CIA had a new secret weapon
there was a hiatus
and then Sugar Grove came along and
somebody says this Kaka made me think
well now what we're doing is we're doing
remote viewing by coordinates and I say
what it was codename scanning
skin aid program was started by Ingo
Swann and in that program where we were
using coordinate remote viewing if you
were to described what was located at
any geographical coordinate of longitude
and longitude and would then describe
what's there
and they tell me what this is and I say
something like well you're going to have
to prove that to me
and the door opened at the end of the
hallway and a guy walks out
could you give me some coordinates just
map coordinates of a place that you know
he says this will do it he says I'm
positive you don't know anything about
what's there I said perfect perfect I
took them
and then kit gave Harold's coordinates
that nobody knew about
flamingo's standpoint he said this is
really a sexy Target it's got all kind
of antennas
uh seems like a very hush-hush Place
very military and he drew how things
were laid out the results came back
so specific
on paper
that
I was just like I was kind of
non-plussed it included a diagram guard
house
accordion doors that roll up big enough
to put a jeep through four stories below
hallway
Cipher lock and I took it to my
colleague Dave who would give me the
coordinates and they said here
he said man green this is
nonsense
I said are you are you really really
sure
and he said man
I gave you the coordinates
of the Log Cabin I just built
in West Virginia uh so I called up my
colleagues and I gave them the results
and I I
I'm sick of it and just before I hung up
fell I was talking to who I can't I
can't name
but whose initials were Russ Tark
said that's really too bad it's really
too bad really too bad
the other guy found the same thing
earning the SRI program there had been
some publicity and Pat price had read
about it that happened to me right when
we were had been asked to Target on the
West Virginia side so it was over the
telephone
saying you know I used to be uh maybe
police commissioner or something like
that in Burbank and sometimes that would
get intuitive flashes about some crime
scene that we were working on and it
would turn out I would be right
maybe I should be a subject
SRI comes up with Pat price he had a map
on the uh over his desk and he had a
bunch of pins on the map of the world
and their pins were all stuck in the
ocean and I asked him I said Pat what
are all those uh you know pins they're
just scattered all right he said oh I'm
following all the nuclear submarines in
the world and I moved pins around and I
relocate them
for an intelligence officer I mean this
would be one of the most fundamental
breakthroughs in Naval intelligence if
you could follow all the submarines in
the world
half price was brought in independently
to describe the same Target location and
went on to read documents hidden in the
vault three floors below the surface
I said that's really interesting
okay yeah okay I'll talk what did you
say
and I drove to the coordinate
I found a cabin
100 meters down the road I found a dirt
road
from the cabin
I drove down it
found a guard house
found a dish found the accordion door
this Naval installation's purpose is to
perform Communications research and
development for the U.S Navy the
Department of Defense and various
elements of the U.S government
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I reported that it got to the office of
research and development that got to the
office of OTs
and there was you know a huge
controversy and it started as very small
ball
but what the person who picked the
Target didn't realize was just right
over the ridge a milestone away whatever
it was was this super
Secret
facility
for picking up Russian satellite
information as it went overhead and so
both of them said ah maybe that's what
they want us to describe
in the 1960s Sugar Grove became one of
the nsa's most important Cold War
listing facilities
and the whole thing blew up
but remember it was about what was
inside
that building
file folders with the following names I
remember that they were all associated
with a pool game like playing pool or
Billiards
filing cabinet on the north wall labeled
operation pool cue
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four ball eight ball Rock up
I'm saying yeah you know this is
reminiscent of his uh visit to the place
that kit took him
within 24 48 hours I had security
officers in my office at headquarters
and and they were grim-faced and they
were upset
and I've been told I was told this
officially has been made public
the filing cabinets were there they were
green there were file folders and they
had the exact three names on the file
folders now that was the first thing
that was important
is that they were correct
however
those guys out in California
got the code names
they got code names that were part of a
special access program not just code
names
they got special Access program code
names which
were classified top secret which their
names were classified top secret
we were then descended upon by
all the law enforcement of the United
States we had government agencies from
NSA and CIA
coming to visit us and find out
why the CIA had targeted a group of
Psychics to go spying on the NSA
so I I didn't know whether to be sick to
my stomach or
what to do so it wasn't just kit green
it was the owners of this site
and you know some of it like some of the
names that I told you turned out to be
accurate and so you know the first
concern a security leak somebody is let
this information out if I was director
of intelligence or even the president
and I was briefed on what you just told
me about those code words I would think
that this was either a propaganda thing
or I would think that there's a guy who
could probably look inside a nuclear
missile silo and give me the launch
codes and that guy is really important
and potentially dangerous
it's either a hoax
or it's real I know now if you're asking
me where I sit it's in the ladder
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you know what really is going on here do
we have a counterintelligence issue
where people can do this sort of stuff
against us and of course the other side
of it is hey can we do it against
somebody else
how would it be if we spent half of our
time on operational targets for the CIA
and half of our time doing research and
he said I understand what you want to do
that would be fair everybody knew that
there had to be some foundational
science or this stuff would never be
accepted Stanford Research Institute has
been conducting an experimental program
in the field of psychoenergetic effect
I had Hal and rust bring Corey Geller to
me who was supposedly be you know one of
the psychokinetic people who could take
and bend the spoons and do other magic
kind of things with materials
and we had an experiment set up
drawings were placed in double sealed
envelopes in a safe for which none of
the experimenters had the combination
this is Geller's representation of what
he believed was sealed in the envelope
this is the most off Target of the
drawings that he did
as you can see he is quite elated about
getting the right answer
hey this is real don't you try to debunk
this because it is scientifically proven
and I can tell you the agency
did a little background check on uh on
Ori and five that he might be working
for uh
some other government shall we say
and so he was just dropped there were
security concerns
the worry was
that there was National Security
information that could be gathered
what he said was that he mushed his head
into a safe and these words popped into
his mind
huh when a CIA analyst reads this and
says what does that mean if I have a
document on my desk
that I consider highly sensitive and
classified that there could be some
Russian psyche a thousand miles away
reproducing what I'm looking at
suddenly the lights came on and we had
CIA money and fresh support for research
24 hours a day
oh our CIA handlers warned us to be wary
of bugs phone taps and even honeypots we
need personal problems to me we could
see anywhere and they had unlimited
resources to back up our claims we even
had a degree of Fame among those in the
know
it was like a dream come true
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with new funding and assignments from
the CIA
seemed as if Hal and Russell could do no
wrong
what kind of place do you experience at
attorney general from somewhere in
Northern California came to us and said
would you help us with this case she's
been kidnapped the heiress had been
kidnapped from her Berkeley apartment as
we walked in the police were very
excited and they said we have a lot of
questions we want to ask you
and price said let me show you how we do
this let me see a mug book and he put
his finger on Donald DeVries and said
that's the ringleader the Berkeley
Police said we know who he is he walked
away from a minimum security prison a
year ago and he said you know this is
not
um your regular kidnapping for money
this is some kind of political thing and
then she's photographed and robbing
banks alongside the you know with an
AK-47 or something like that with the
other Brooks I get this image of
crosshairs looking across Harrison
oh we're getting closer it's uh more
likely intersection he told us where the
car that they had kidnapped her in had
been left across the freeway are two
large white gas storage tanks and one of
the detectives said well I know where
that is that's where the policeman ran
out and they actually found the car
where he said and we went to a shack
they thought might be a hideout I had
the experience of the detective handing
me his sidearm
and said you know how to fire a pistol
and I said I happen to own an automatic
yes I do so he didn't realize the
handing Mr Magoo an automatic so that I
could cover his back
this is the assignment outside my job
description
we were basically detectives in the case
on the street boots on the ground so to
speak
the problem was that the Berkeley Police
did not cooperate with the Alameda
Sheriff's Department the county sheriff
and neither of them were cooperating
with the FBI
it was only after the entire thing was
resolved we found out that that indeed
was the area where she was being kept
and the layout in the apartment was as
he described and if actually was being
kept in the closet and we got a formal
Commendation from the Berkeley Police
Department unfortunately a lot of people
got killed in the meantime
they attracted not only fans in law
enforcement
CIA had gotten they had gotten hold of
Soviet documents in which our names are
in there as targets to be trained and to
be turned if possible
that I just said well then we have to
take this whole thing very seriously and
I began to feel frightened it felt like
a penetrating into a dangerous area
when he died
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medical circumstances would admit to a
coronary and would admit to what he said
he was suffering from which was uh
poisoning particularly he said of food
poisoning
later on somebody said well you know the
KGB did it man I said oh yeah I've heard
these rumors you know I have no reason
to believe that
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state-sponsored assassination attempt
statement the Prime Minister
but now eight days on Theresa May came
to the Commons in her hands one of the
most remarkable statements she's
delivered as prime minister it is now
clear that Mr scripal and his daughter
were Poisoned With a military-grade
nerve agent of a type developed by
Russia
this is part of a group of nerve agents
known as novichok it causes Suffocation
and heart failure I said what do you
mean
he said well there was a TV program
recently I mean this was a decade later
where they were interviewing an ex-kgb
agent who had been involved with an
assassination Squad
and
they the interviewer would ask him you
know
what do you do you know how do you carry
out assassination if we had somebody
with a Target we'd find out what the
medical profile was and then we would do
something that would cause that medical
condition to go south quickly and then
it'd just be assumed it was a medical
event and that way we would we would be
you know wouldn't be found out and and
so the interviewer I'm told I haven't
seen this program yet I haven't been
able to find it the interviewer uh
for the interviewer said well did you
ever actually use that approach they
said yeah once on a psychic who worked
for the CIA
our husbands and wives
they really do for instance have a
Soviet experiment in remote
strangulation
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Larissa valenskaya was put in charge of
monitoring sri's ESP work from Moscow
and Nikolai wasn't Leningrad
uh Kaminski imagined
that here tried to strangle Nikolai
Nikolai was on the way to all but he uh
felt that he couldn't breathe
he was on the edge of unconscious State
and suddenly everything disappeared just
because
kamianskin Moscow stopped transmit this
image
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to the best of my ability preserve
protect and defend the Constitution of
the United States so help me God I got
frustrated as I realized they may be
trapped in our own success everything
was now a secret I couldn't even tell my
family our phones might be taxed one
thing secret about this program what is
it with the secret program
but we weren't publishing anything we
went to the CIA handlers and said look
you've got to let us publish some of
these experiments everyone's beginning
to say well gee maybe it's a secret
program so anyway we got their
permission to put together a series of
our Bay Area remote viewing experiments
and and publish them they wouldn't let
us publish the hot stuff and they didn't
care about the bigger implications of
our work
maybe I had made a deal with the Devil
I said have them go back and get some
more
well the obvious thing was to do
something on the operational side
so I started searching around for
a project that would have some impact
it was a research facility that was all
that we were going to tell them
so this was our very first number one
Soviet site
Pat price was the remote viewer in this
case
the CIA people came and just gave us
coordinates and said look here
and so he leans back in his chair
puts his glasses on
and I'm looking at him and I'm saying to
myself why does he put his glasses he
said oh he said I put my glasses on
because I can see better remotely when I
have my glasses on
and I'm sitting there thinking yeah okay
we sat down with our coffee and I said
here's a Target Pat what do you what do
you see next morning
they came back with a sketch
and we showed him the picture
so I go over and I say well I've got
this science fiction fantasy crane
well we looked at that and you know
we're quite frankly astounded that the
at the similarities and he unrolled a
big picture of an r d facility and right
in the middle of this facility was a
photograph of a giant Gantry crane so
the sketch on the on the left
is what price produced and this one is
the one that is derived from the
photographic or from the sketch from the
photographic image
he said oh this was a huge crane he said
I saw somebody walk by in it and the guy
only came up to the uh to the axle or
something on on the wheels or up to the
top of the wheels
Pat what do you see about underground he
said one of the big things they're doing
here is making these 60-foot spheres out
of steel
they're actually 58 feet
what I was told was the analysts of
semi-palatinsk did not know about the
gores
they finally rolled out a 60-foot
diameter steel sphere
that's part of a containment vessel for
a particle beam weapon to shoot down
American surveillance satellites
exactly what price described
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the end game is this big review of cars
of all operations oriented testing
from a contractor like SRI should stop
so in other words cia's decision was
because of security concerns they were
going to cut out SRI and work with path
directly
so we they did so
the CIA moved Pat price to a farm in the
outskirts of Washington he was doing
day-to-day spying for the CIA
we've broken into some foreign embassies
in foreign countries
and we bugged them
and we have the operational files
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so what we did is we got Pat praise
and we brought one of the people who had
made
to entry into the room with Pat so we
gave him a photograph of the outside of
the building
but the goal of those operational people
was to find the code room
of the embassy and basically bug it
so they needed to
get in the embassy find it place a bug
and get out
before the guards opened up the next
morning
he supposedly located the physical
place in the embassy that was the code
groom area
so according to the operations guy
yeah he found the place and they should
use them again
he was inside the coat room
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hello just dropping off Russell
thank you where we got our knows a lot
about code rooms where he says he spend
a long time working facade so perhaps he
knows what happened to Pat price as well
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what was the meeting about what were you
doing in the
secret room and again
okay actually
Yes actually they were tender they're
they're probably two or three shielded
rooms different levels but it's actually
in the capital Dome the shielded room it
is a room where no eavesdropping can
take place because the walls are leaded
Etc all kinds of materials even the
plugs are are different and
you know it can also be a wine seller so
while doing Secret work
that's fine you can drink wine and get
drunk
oh she owned a group of the perfect
conversation yes and I want to talk to
you about the death of Pat price
and Pat comes in with his description of
an underwater sabotage training facility
several kilometers away from the
Seacoast
and that's information was passed on to
the Libyan disc
they saw a facility basically where he
said that that they hadn't seen before
and a few days later Pat Price died
this was the end of Pat price CIA hired
price away from us and four months after
joining the CIA price was dead
and the big question is was he killed or
was it a natural death like in the
movies you want to know did he jump or
was he push what do you think
the emergency people emergency
department people said that there was an
individual that came in with him
with a briefcase that showed the
attending physician in the emergency
room his uh recent EKGs from Greenbrier
which was the facility that I knew that
we'd taken him to to get his
cardiological work up
some months ago and basically said look
here's the guy at rampant serious
coronary artery disease he had a heart
attack so even though he died
unattended in a hotel room they decided
they meaning the hospital and the police
to not make it a medical examiner case
so they didn't do an autopsy although
that's not correct
and the man disappeared with the
briefcase with the notes they never took
any records of it body was removed
and cremated
and then they called his wife
yeah wow
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price was known to have a heart
condition they may have
that's it next the Russians may have
killed him and the third my opinion yes
in the CIA discovered quickly they had a
terrible problem after Price's death it
emerged that his church may have been
attempting to Blackmail the IRS using
classified documents
there's a file cabinet that's got a
folder full of this stuff in it this
church had a problem with the government
he would go back to his church officials
and immediately give them a debriefing
of everything that he said and
everything that I said hear the guy who
was walking on water
was a traitor
I do not think he was a spy for his
church you know I was I was shocked and
devastated because I had no idea about
this if he walks into the president's
office and reads a nuclear code if it
turns out that Superman is a double
agent what do you do
understand
and misinterpreted
what it was that he could tell his
Confessor in his church
I forgiven that
that's not Pat's fault knowing
intelligence knowing what's happening
around the world
and having worked for certain
you know agencies I know a little more
about this story that's exactly why I
want to talk to you people who are so
valuable
are never never taken out they tempt
them with amazing
circumstantially or Monies
you know dwellings houses to work for
them they will never this is like
killing the the goose that lays golden
eggs devices which would have enabled
the CIA to use this poison for killing
people does this fiscal uh fire the dark
yes it does Mr chairman and a special
one was developed which potentially
would be able to uh enter the target
without perception
well the CIA
had a heart attack gun that was revealed
okay now the CIA
is not in the business of killing people
well they were in the business of making
a very complicated killing machine
and he got a lot of trouble for that I I
saw a pat shortly before he was killed
he was coming to see us yes but before
he left he called several of his friends
to say goodbye and odd way so in short
he predicted his own death and he
purchased a one million dollar term life
insurance to give to his wife Ann at the
airport you see I didn't know that
interesting and he's changed his trip to
visit his son in Salt Lake
maybe he had a psychic feeling that he
was about to die he must have been one
of the greatest psychics in the world
yes
some Army remote viewers tasked
themselves on Price's death years later
and decided he was still alive and at
work
of course this was just speculation
it was entirely unmarked he deserves
better than that
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shortly after that Hal and I were called
back to Washington
for a investigation
what the CIA had hoped to squash by
eliminating sri's contract would only
grow after an aviation week article
released after Pat's death perfectly
matched his description of the Gores of
semi-palatinsk something no one else in
U.S intelligence knew this shook the
halls of power and set into motion new
fears about Russian psychic spots this
is why
what was happening in July August of
last year the house committee on
intelligence oversight decided there
must be a security leak that gave the
California Psychics information that no
one and the rest of the intelligence
Community had well actually I was
excited about the opportunity to brief
them because by this point in our career
the more people at high levels who knew
about what we were doing the more
support there was to make sure that the
program moved forward unfortunately you
will learn today that these efforts by
Russia to discredit the U.S and weaken
the west or not new all I can say is
that if the results were faked our
security system doesn't work what these
persons saw was confirmed by aerial
photography there's no way they could
have been faked
there are four Senators out there
fighting uh to keep it going
what's next
are we looking at
sending across Eastern Europe
and we were supported for another decade
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one physicist said there was no point in
teaching physics anymore because we'd
learned all there was to know
and now we look back and realize that
what we thought we knew was the tiniest
fragment
although the CIA publicly denigrated the
idea of remote viewing and claimed to
end interest in the subject after the
death of Pat price sri's Rising profile
led to Partnerships with every single
branch of the intelligence community
defense intelligence agency took on a
contract with the U.S Army in 1978. it
begins but this being the Army it really
starts with drill naturally over three
thousand troops in Fort Meade Maryland
were screened by Army intelligence to
find the top six that would spearhead
the program that first day in the
company
these were grunts regular guys
Vietnam Vets picked because they had a
knack for avoiding landmines
and the CIA didn't like it it caused
leaks
the most decorated was remote viewer
zero zero one
chief warrant officer Joe mcmonagle
the Stanford Art Museum was Joe
mcmonagle's first ever remote viewing we
then did five more trials with him
all together we did 36 trials with the
six Army volunteers
out of the 36 trials these officers were
able to get 19 first place matches where
one would expect only six by Chance the
odds of such an excellent result is
better than one in a million
Joe got the Legion of Merit that is a
very big deal it is the second highest
non-combatant award that the military
gives he has done more live to tape
remote viewings
than anybody else alive he lives at the
top of the mountain where every
great prophet lives
he was the first to speak out when parts
of the program were publicly outed in
1995 and subsequently denigrated by the
CIA it may have helped locate American
hostages in Iran October two or three
others that were held away from the
embassy no one seemed to know exactly
where that was but we were instrumental
in helping identify that location I was
paid to do remote viewing by the U.S
army for six straight years and indeed
he turned out to be one of the most
psychic people we ever worked with can
actually take out a thin air information
about something you have absolutely no
access to just using your mind remote
viewing was first brought to my
attention by Skip Atwater it occurred to
me I had been nine or ten years doing
this counterintelligence work when I
said Colonel Webb I I brought this book
called Mind reach and if what they say
in this book is true
there's a huge gap in our
counterintelligence effort here on left
the book mind reach with him and the
next day I came in and he says you're
right if this is true what's being said
in this book this is something that we
aren't
attending to this might in fact be a
threat to the intelligence community
one of our greatest operational
successes was when Joe mcmonagle
pinpointed and described an enormous
Russian submarine in a location where it
was totally unexpected it was a very
very large building we didn't have
enough intelligence by ordinary means to
know what is being built inside that
building
the building was uh hundreds of yards
from the water what I decided through
remote viewing was that they were
probably constructing a new submarine
and the submarine was unique in that it
had twin holes no the Halls were
actually stuck together this way
so it was a twin hold very wide
submarine it was half again larger than
any submarine in existence at the time
it had
dozens of new capabilities and I said
they're going to launch in 120 days and
this was all disagreed with by the
senior officer from the CIA he made
arrangements to to look at the area 114
days later and they in fact had launched
the largest submarine ever built in
history it's called the tk-089 the
typhoon-class submarine the only
response we got from that individual was
it was a lucky guess
and that individual is Robert Gates did
you at any time feel that this was worth
the taxpayers money well all I can say
is that in the in the 20 years or 25
years that I was perhaps in a position
to be aware uh I don't know of a single
instance where it is documented that
this kind of activity contributed in any
significant way to a policy decision or
even to informing policy makers about
important information
in October 1983 a secretary of army John
Marsh was briefed by Lieutenant Colonel
Busby of inscom
his report stated that 350 of 700 remote
viewing missions or 50 percent were
deemed to possess intelligence value
and 85 percent showed positive evidence
for remote viewing
we probably collected more intelligence
on that one submarine in four days in
the entire Soviet subpac what you have
to understand is the program operated
year to year
based on its successes not its failures
and the fact that it was funded on a
year-to-year basis speaks loudly as to
why it existed for 20 years and the
chief proponent in terms of tasking or
the one agency that probably used more
remote viewing than any other agency was
the CIA
I'm familiar with that quote of gates
there's nothing we we close the program
because it didn't amount to anything let
me just read this one thing I've got
here Joe got the Legion of Merit and Joe
upon his retirement got this while with
his command he used his talents and
expertise in the execution of more than
200 missions
addressing over 150 essential elements
of information
these eei essential elements of
information contain critical
intelligence reported at the highest
echelons of our military and government
including such National level agencies
as The Joint Chiefs of Staff Dia NSA c i
a d e a and the Secret Service producing
crucial and vital intelligence
unavailable from any other source
that would tend to suggest that Gates
was not telling the truth
we had the total support of five
administrations in a row
Carter stood up and said
we did this wonderful thing when they
found the tupelov bomber And the
reporter said how did you find it he
said we used our psychics
we're on our way to see President Carter
and talk with him about our mission to
find a down Russian bomber in Zaire we
helped him pull the Soviet bomber out of
the Jungle before the Soviets could find
it
let's see if he'll acknowledge that as
he did in his recent autobiography
he had a small plane go down somewhere
in Africa and uh we needed very much to
find out where that plane had crashed
and we were not able to find it by
surveillance so the director of us of
the CIA heard about a woman in
California that was a medium or
something I don't know the title for and
she gave him the latitude and longitude
of the plane's whereabouts we located
the plane where she said it was that's
the only time that I have ever
experienced something that was
inexplicable while I was present
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one evening I'm called into the office I
was working late I said we understand
that you have some people that can find
things I said yeah I have the SRI
contractor people on on staff there so
they said well this is really a top
secret you know burn before reading kind
of project here's a picture of an
airplane that's missing and how can we
can we get into Africa and get to the
airplane before the Soviets get there
it was a Defector you just took this
airplane South until he saw the ground I
feel like he flushed out and everything
kept going but it still had fuel
now that's why they couldn't find it it
wasn't there I said well it's because
you're looking in the wrong place look
over here because by this time
an entire intelligence Community was
involved
she grew this so I took the sketch this
is a sketch and I handed it to the
search team and so I'm looking at this
huge map and it's 200 miles this week
200 miles down so she looks at them at
that map and goes up to the map and says
I go over here here's where it is the X
but the PIN went into the mouth they
sent a helicopter out to investigate the
area and shortly after they landed a
native comes out of the Jungle carrying
a piece of metal
and it turned out it was from the
airplane that crashed and was within
about a mile of where it was for the
actual site was
all the information was in the field
before the airplane was found
and the CIA did a special check on that
to make sure and so did NSA to make sure
that my story did hold water the
information was there before we knew
where it was
the woman who drew the sketch referenced
by Dale and President Carter was an Air
Force officer
machine an SRI remote viewer also
crucial to the case's success have never
come forward
the research out of Sri showed that
remote viewing had no predictable
scientific limits or even theories to
explain it as the team racked up success
after success higher and higher up the
chain of command the question was asked
how can any of this even be possible
you know I said well we've done this
remote viewing experiment and the the
results are very significant he said one
of those guys is blind and the other
one's crazy
now the perfect team for examining
psychic abilities
that's what I thought oh boy there's of
course no way to deal with people who
don't want to know
the storm starts brewing and we get a
new director of office of research
development
he could not accept the reality of
Paranormal Activity
he said he knew that this was not real
and a guy in the back of the room jumped
up and said I know what this is
somebody's taking notes to see which of
us are gullible or whoever's taking
notes I want you to know I'm not buying
any of this and he marched out
a week later I came back and I said
did you evaluate it can you tell me what
you thought about it and he says he said
no I didn't evaluate it and he said I'm
not going to and I said what we're
fundamentalists there may be something
to it
but it may be demonic we don't want
anything to do with this
you are working with people who are in
League with the devil and you're part of
the Antichrist movement
up the data and walked out
deniers who think there is no
consciousness beyond our skulls or a
powerful force in American society
our anti-science because they they do
not respect or accept facts
they are people whose worldview is based
on faith of a very particular kind
and belief in Dogma
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absolutely from a religious standpoint
all the way down to I mean people that
are afraid of it
which is half the people on the planet
so damaging it's
I had a senior senator
in camera in a meeting and Camera stand
up and say you sir are doing the work of
the devil and you will burn in the fires
of hell and walk out
that's a senior lawmaker and then in the
same meeting when we broke for coffee I
had another senior lawmaker hug me and
whisper in my ear are you doing God's
work son now which one scares you the
worst
I think SCI research is important
because it's um
a an essential part of reality which
some science hasn't yet taken note of
furthermore there's a lot of
misconception about when people just um
assuming without any proof that there's
no such thing it's just a piece of Dogma
and science should not be about Dogma
how many people say they've they've
witnessed things that do not fit within
a materialistic Paradigm and then
they're told you're deluded because your
experience doesn't conform to our Dogma
this is so fundamentally anti-scientific
it's utterly appalling so once again
there's trouble because I love science
and I respect this tremendous evolution
of science for the last 400 years but
when people speaking with the authority
of science
say for example that all experiences can
only be functions of the brain and if
you have any experiences that cannot be
explained with any materialistic
Paradigm you're deluded then this is
dehumanizing arrogant pompous and
close-minded and those turns should
never come in the same paragraph of of
defining and explaining science when the
evidence just gets to be overwhelming
and the and the Groundswell here is
growing
I would say would be far too long if you
still insist that the mind is nothing
more than an emergent property of the
brain it will be widely recognized
you're just ignorant and the key point
about physics is physics is always
evolving our knowledge of physics is
always expanding and phenomena which
people
reject is impossible today may not be
rejected as impossible tomorrow because
tomorrow we'll have a more extensive
Theory of physics
enter this next wonderful reality and
the most controversial of the people and
it shocked me that if they found
anything to object to this is a hardcore
scientist so I'm very happy to be here
my name is Russell targ and I'm a
physicist and it's my great pleasure to
tell you about the remarkable work we
did at Stanford Research Institute
investigating psychic abilities
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I had a small Wikipedia biographical
page this described that I was born in
Chicago went to Columbia
worked with Hal put off on the
pseudoscience called remote viewing so
we had a chance for fish and chips and a
cup of tea we must be in England finally
that's right
there's a time when I was ill and I
didn't want my biography to be that
one-dimensional so I wrote in that I had
been a Pioneer in the development of the
laser and published many many papers in
lasers and the Wikipedia Masters kept
erasing all my laser papers they said
they said to me if people are not
interested in your laser work we just
want to know about your work with the
pseudoscience
and I said well most of my life has been
spent with lasers and they wouldn't
allow me to do that they kept they
Banned Me from Wikipedia and finally I
got the help of Brian Josephson and only
through Joseph's in the intercession
that I got to bring my biography up to
speed
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do you think that Consciousness is built
into quantum theory
because it's extremely critical but
fortunately I
um not only got tenure but I've retired
so I don't need to worry about being a
heretic
sorry I'm not with you exactly
anyway what are these are taking your
pictures
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you were yeah
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would probably not contemplate um uh
getting rid of a Nobel Prize winner so I
had more or less had freedom in what I
could do
funding was a different matter they
actually told certain people uh we'll
fund you if you work with anybody other
than Josephson
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make them listen to me before it's too
late
by and large the critics who've been
interested enough in our work to come to
our Laboratory
we have asked them to take part in
experiments and experience remote
viewing themselves which is often very
accurate indeed
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Skeptics was under Secretary of Defense
Walter Laberge who kept hearing leaks
about the Mad scientists of Menlo Park
so he decided to pay a visit in his Air
Force helicopter landing on the SRI
campus lawn and causing quite the dust
up to Hal and Russ's low profile
although he thought it ridiculous
Laberge allowed himself to become a
subject and despite no prior psychic
experience he correctly and in great
detail imagined where his attache was
hiding he then became one of the team's
biggest supporters along with other
Senators congressmen and Generals who
dropped in on the lab and got similar
results
it was becoming apparent that this was a
common ability but how could they show
that
when it was all secret
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their first clue to how common intuitive
abilities are
came when a remote viewer didn't show up
for work
so I had a chance to go to San Jose
Costa Rica center of a mountainous
country
and then each day a remote viewer back
in Middle Park California described
where I am
well on a particular day I had a chance
to do a trick
I got an airplane I flew out and I
landed at an island that belonged to
Colombia
it also turned out that in that day the
remote viewer didn't show up so Russell
decided Well okay I'll do the remote
building
what can I do so Russell's trying to
suppress this data but it just keeps
coming in he says okay well you know I
guess I'm wrong I mean I no reason to be
in an airport and not only that I see
ocean at the end of the runway and I
know there's you know ocean miles away
in San Jose Costa Rica well in fact
that's exactly where I was because I'd
taken this little side trip did you
actually take that picture or is that a
standard picture somebody else took the
picture who when we had this data they
went out and took it from the same angle
showing that even a scientist can do
good remote viewing
this led to a request from their CIA
handlers to bring in someone with
absolutely no psychic ability to get a
baseline against their best
that didn't work out so well she was
statistically the best results they ever
had even better than the infamous Pat
price we were asked to bring in somebody
who is willing to be a control person
for the program and I chose to work with
hella Hamid who's an old friend of the
family she promised me she had never
done ESP experiments before and she
would be very happy to be part of our
program
this is a remote viewing experiment with
Russ tarrigan hella Hamid
today is Friday October 11 1974. it's 20
minutes to four in the afternoon Russ
tarrigan hella Hamid are in the first
Royal laboratory at SRI
Hal has left SRI he will select a
randomly chosen destination
I was looking up
at this structure that must be three
four-story side the weird zigzag
going horizontally like series of
mountains sort of Peaks on top of each
other can be just shapes excited the
stuff just basically opened in the sky
too crazy
going downwards like into his cross it's
definitely some kind of a conduit
this is just where hell put off with
standing at the time of hella Hammer's
very first remote viewing
perhaps the most dangerous secret of all
the one that Russell targas worked his
whole life to release
is that anybody can be psychic
and we have a Target now that requires a
drawing or description
so I'd like you to quiet your mind
and make a little sketch of the
surprising images that show up in your
awareness
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you want to get on paper the shape and
the form
pertaining to Paul's location
you have Paul and Cynthia and a bright
green dress located in some interesting
place
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do you have any falling water in the
audience
this is the waterfall coming down
my primary purpose in coming to this
conference is to actually to see what I
can do to become a world-class remote
viewer I couldn't believe it
but it's different when it's different
when you actually do it
no formal training is really about
sending the message across to people
people put your mind and heart to
something
you know
everything is possible the world is your
voice
are able to do that it's not just me
it's not just my imagination it's all of
us
you know it's the science part of it
everybody really wants hardcore data
I think it's still a question of what it
means to be really human and what it
means to be a you know a proper human
being whatever that might mean and what
is the essence of who we are and I think
that if the world actually had an access
to that answer
I think it will change everything
well that's pretty good I'm used to Las
Vegas
psychic abilities are real and you have
these abilities and now we've got a free
ESP tester
time we finished we knew more about our
remote viewers and NASA knew about its
astronauts there's nothing different
about them at all these are just normal
people like musical ability you've got
virtuosos at one end of the scale you've
got tone deaf people at the other now
it's just in our culture no one values
quote ESP functioning it's just being
human is basically what it's all about
could it be that psychic ability is much
more common than we think
even internal agents at CIA back in 1975
were secretly doing it
according to original program manager
Ken Kress
it turns out a couple of people around
OTS a lady bunny named Francine and the
Man by the name of Ed they decided they
wanted to be subjects
subjects
and they were CIA employees now these
were not
SRI employees actually got them involved
with a with a Libyan analyst
I got gibberish as I remember from
Francine but you know Ed was an engineer
so he comes up like Pat with very
specific stuff he says what I see is a
Soviet
radar that is involved with an air
defense system you know he goes on and
on with all this stuff
and so I package all this up send it to
the Libyan analysts and he said you know
we have an agent that we have not vetted
who says
similar things
and I said you know that's news to me
see when they were with us
it was not clear whether they had come
to see if there's defects in our model
or where they had come to be trained or
both
yeah well there may have been a a slight
subject future we say and that I might
have sent them out there as evaluators
and they may have been motivated as
participants
by 1981 the program had become more and
more operational the government was less
and less interested in research I wanted
to be free of all this secrecy
from a scientific standpoint was was not
so good but on the other hand of course
from the funding standpoint I can't
complain and I brought that to our
Contracting officer and he said Russ you
know we're not doing research anymore
and I said well we we look at this we
think about what we're doing he said I'm
not paid to think I'm paid to find out
what Dia wants you to do and then see
that you do it
I was heartbroken
Hal and Ingo were more secretive than
ever and now Ingo was in charge of the
army psychics and had made the program
so complicated that only he could teach
it
and I got a note from my partner how
questioning whether I was really making
a contribution of the program
what the most interesting data at SRI
pointed to was exactly why Russell
wanted to leave
it was a secret so big he felt that if
the general public could truly get it it
might bring enemies together and it
might even change the world
Russell was kind of the idea man
was always kind of pushing the bad
scientist type of thing where
we actually looked apart to something
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and I decided to leave this was a 1985
and we had dozens of psychics and lots
of Laboratories and people out there as
consultants and so on and I ended up
spending all my time not doing research
but handling Personnel issues and
funding issues writing grants and
proposals
I had to get up in the morning and say
well you know actually I could be
getting back to research
Mr Gorbachev teared down this wall
I say no more secrets sri's intelligence
work with psychics would go on for
another decade mostly unnoticed until
one of their greatest covert triumphs
became their most infamous leak remember
Jimmy Carter's telling of finding the
down Russian bomber in the Congo
in 1995 President Carter recounted that
during a talk to Emory University
accidentally outing our top secret
program to CNN students submitted
questions on numerous topics both
serious and lighthearted and as always
President Carter answered them all the
release of that information contributed
to the end of the remote viewing program
at SRI
foreign
Russell and Howell left the program he
continued under Ed may but eventually it
confronted the giggle Factory so I would
ask the intelligence Community to watch
what we do for the next few years and
CIA had publicly derided the army-run
program and in the end they were asked
to take it on again a pretty low
priority for the intelligence community
and it's better done on the outside
instead they commissioned a third party
report to quote see if it had been
valuable to operational intelligence and
that's our report for tonight so what do
all these stories add up to well the two
experts commissioned by the CIA report
disagree first there's psychologist Ray
Hyman from the University of Oregon I
considered judgment if someone pushed me
hard right now I have to say the odds
are 99 to 1 that there's nothing too
remote viewing I think remote viewing
has been demonstrated over the 20 years
of work that's been sponsored by the
government Ed May was very upset at the
way the air report was done he was very
upset that they did not look at the
operational remote viewing and that they
did not allow us to talk to the
operational remote viewers I think he
was quite disappointed that they
narrowed the focus so much so that
really it might have been a
predetermined conclusion that they
wanted to kill the program
I think that anybody who says we haven't
proven it yet hasn't really looked at
the data I think frankly people don't
want to look at the data they have their
World Views they don't want those World
Views rocked I think anybody who looks
at it with a real open mind would be
convinced
I I became 100 certain that it was
real acquisition of information
I became 100 certain that it had
potentially real
intelligence significance and I became
100 certain that it never would
why what I thought were the issues that
would make this a useful tool were both
ignored denied and in addition later
dropped which is screening of subjects
to find the superstars you're tested
carefully to find your special talents
using the tools that I thought we had
identified which were politically not
correct then to use and which are
politically impossible
to use today
well you're here really arrived you can
loosen up a bit now
you would have a latent ability
that maybe a lot of humans have that
you'd be able to tease out of some
people with some sort of training
program or something and you'd end up
with what ended up
after we did our report a few months
later maybe a year later I received a
phone call from somebody who worked high
up in the government and he wanted to
know if this was for real and I said I
stand by what I wrote in the report and
he said well I'm going to see if I can
get access to the operational work he
called me back and he said he got access
to it none of the boxes had been opened
Jessica's the president of the American
statistical society and she says by the
Numbers remote viewing has a higher
efficacy than aspirin what was the CIA
trying so hard to hide they wouldn't
even allow their best data to be seen
they wanted the CIA disliked those
Regular Joe army guys so much
we had the total support of five
administrations in a row
five straight administrations supported
this Russell
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so the very Illuminating trip you never
know who your friends are
since I was told by the DCI the project
is over
that was it it was over
Ken was removed as CIA program manager
shortly before Pat Price's death
and he assumes that CIA involvement
ended with price
now I heard that they were discussing
the Stargate program out of channel in
other words if you're talking about a
classified program in an unclassified
area it looks like a security violation
we need to investigate this further now
one the gamble was ignore it it would go
away
the suggestion to me was that okay let
people just wonder about it but if you
start complaining about it it will
affirm that we do have a program they
didn't they didn't really want to go
that route
Russell's first interview with one of
the most spectacular spies from his SRI
days was a no-show
later the agent called to say they were
still doing it
and were afraid to talk about it
beyond the giggle Factor what was the
big deal
what does all of this mean
could we be missing the big picture here
and no that's not right I told you
before
um
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two two people that I trust that are one
of whom's in the position to know says
the program's still going up
really
just how useful is remote viewing how
far would Russell go to tell the world
what had become painfully obvious to him
this was something that Russell was
inspired to consider after witnessing
Ingo predict that Chinese A-bomb test
three days in advance and similar work
by Stephen Schwartz and it involved
precognition
or seeing the future the final straw was
when he received a package in the mail
from the ghost of an old friend
regarding some water towers that had
haunted him for years
I get the impression of a water
treatment plant
it looks like uh water storage tanks
it's a service road down here
in Pat Price's first series of
experiments he got the shape and
dimensions of his swimming pool Target
within 12 inches
but he also called it a water treatment
plant even drawing water towers which
missed the whole point of the target
years after pat Price's death I received
a historical picture book it was a gift
from the city manager of Palo Alto
that when I opened the picture book to
Rinconada Park 75 years ago it had been
a water purification plant and the two
water tanks that price had indicated
indeed were right where he put them and
they would undoubtedly have been the
tallest thing the City of Palo Alto uh
75 years ago
with Pat's a reminder of Timeless
awareness in hand I hatched a plan to
ditch the Spy business and try and wake
up the world
this is the Commodities Exchange in New
York City Circa 1983. it was right here
Russell Target's new company Delphi
decided to tell the world that they were
psychic
we've been predicting silver prices two
to four days in advance our investors
made profits in the middle six figures
something I couldn't do while I was a
psychic spy predicting the volatile
Market nine times in a row even landed
them on the cover of the Wall Street
Journal they wrote nine times out of
nine again being right in anything in
life nine times out of nine
is unheard of but some of the more
spectacular and successful traits were
actually on the short side or the mimic
a prediction and anticipation of the
market coming down so going against the
trend but there's still elements that
are not understood so it does not always
work so I wouldn't put my life savings
behind a remote viewing of the future
investor demands in the weight of their
own success led the second round not
doing as well money dried up and the
Skeptics pounced
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Russell would have to go even farther to
prove his point about ESP
a lot farther
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when they first invited me to come and
their letter to me said please come the
Soviet Union so we can exchange
propaganda I don't have a big concern
about that I trusted Russell he went
through the process of asking permission
I assumed that I'm actually quite
confident of that because had he not
done so he would be in jail
no I did not ask any permission to go to
Russia I just went of course they can't
reveal secret information and I declared
My independence and left
I said is there anything you'd like to
see as long as we're here I said oh yes
I would like to have a peek at
brezhnev's office I would just like to
see where he sits we were once targeted
to describe
Premier brezhnev's office in the Kremlin
with hella Hammond who was the control
person initially
and indeed as just as she described me
this odd
red leather door held in place by
upholstery pack the huge desk on the
right window on the left and a door and
the wall behind the desk and we did not
go downstairs into the computer room
when we were talking to the Soviet
Academy of Sciences for example a
physicist got up and said it seems that
if a experienced viewer can focus his or
her attention anywhere on the planet
then it's not possible to hide anything
anymore isn't that true and the Russians
of the audience were quite shocked with
that I could hear the teacups rattling
foreign
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the very idea of Secrets is not our true
nature
openness is 40 years ago I stood in this
exact place
I don't think anyone really expected
Russian and American
scientists to work together
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in
1987 and I started teaching remote here
in Russia and no one in Russia knew
about this on that moment Yuri is one of
the Russian psychologists that Russell
met during his travels and now he's come
out of the cold
and brought some friends and I decided
to go to United States of America to to
take training
from Russell Tark for the first it was
for uh first for Russell targ
little did I know where I left SRI the
Russians would become capitalists
nowadays Russians are invading
um having watched the end of the Soviet
Union as a Cadet at West Point and then
fast forwarding to today I'm a little
bit lost now Russian people were very
enthusiastic about remote viewing
distance
foreign
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s has brought a group of 20 Russian
doctors and Engineers to Los Angeles to
learn remote viewing for themselves
the event she was asking about had
already occurred
oh I got a phone call from a man that
with a strong Russian accent and he was
asking me if I would be willing to teach
remote viewing to Russians
and so when he called and said why don't
we do something in Los Angeles
then it just sort of Grew From There we
started planning this about a year ago
this class in Los Angeles so
we're going to do a quick review
okay so the students all received
individual targets so they don't no
one's reviewing someone else's Target
they've all got their own and we've
actually been working on these targets
for four days by viewing something
repeatedly it like it creates a memory
path to Target makes it easier to view
so most likely it's a person
he did some research to cause myself
space
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humans have been asking these deep
questions about the nature of their
reality and these are just using the
tools of our society to ask these deep
questions in a different way the agents
did too and they're with what they had
available to them
scientific model has to change
continuously to accommodate our
knowledge and if we're learning more
then we have to fit that into our bigger
picture of understanding reality
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and here's a sketch right here
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this is a very kinesthetic day today
they're going to be using their hands
creating 3D models of the target using
Sculpey clay modeling clay yeah
okay hold on to your seats folks because
this was the Apollo 11 trip to the moon
Apollo 11 trip to the moon with Neil
Armstrong
now that's truly what we refer to as a
holy [ __ ] moment
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well fundamentally we're talking about
interpreting what we see
and I think all of us
for centuries and certainly all the
astronauts have been off the planet to
look back at Earth
we kind of call it the big picture
effect of seeing things in A New
Perspective
seeing Earth in the perspective of being
in the heavens
and that we're we're just a small part
of this huge universe that we're in
I had completed my major task for going
to the Moon
and was on the way home
and was observing the passing of the
heavens
the magnificence of all of this
but this trigger in my visioning
in the ancient Sanskrit is called samaki
it means that you see things with your
senses the way they are
but you experiencing viscerally and
internally as a unity and a Oneness
accompanied by accident
we are Stardust
and we're all one in that sense
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in other words instead of just serving
self
what it tends to help you do is to
realize you're a part of a larger
reality and to serve that larger reality
in a proper way
so I'm not so sure it was all about
collecting intelligence and how well we
did the evolution of Consciousness
itself is
expanding
Consciousness itself can evolve and I
believe that's probably towards what I
call empathy
the main idea from all of our research
is that there is no separation
especially no separation in
consciousness
more than Machinery we need our Humanity
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isolated within our brains
we would have to recognize that we live
in the earth not on the Earth we live
embedded in the biosphere of Earth and
that all Consciousness is interconnected
and interrelated
and that's why we can transmit The Power
of Love The Power of healing
maybe it's very subliminal
but
it's definitely exists
we came across this and said you know
every there's a lot of people who think
you're nuts and but you know hang on and
maybe maybe you're not
we should always be open to our
imagination because once in a while
some of the imaginations will come true
so I think it's time to close up and
move on
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so hella returned to Los Angeles to
resume her life as a professional
photographer
she died of cancer in 1992. here
but not before she uncovered the Lost
Temple of Alexandria Egypt
with Stephen Schwartz and the Egyptian
government they placed the first stake
within 12 inches of where it had been
buried for thousands of years
and put the Skeptics to rest at least
for that day she was given no
information beyond the general Hilltop
location
things are going to change because
science is changing Ingo took the
closure of the army program hard and
went into seclusion we reconnected in
later years and had a chance to talk
about old times
I'm going to talk about the future
because
I think that we're far too much trapped
in the past
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and Sam got very talented chalice who
had not remote viewed they went into an
expanded State and got Impressions they
then took it up to the composers
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atmospheric like
to not opposing but interval related
forces
triple it up into them
what was the feedback well they didn't
know what was in the envelope
very very close it's very descriptive of
bugs so playing it listening to it kind
of makes you itch
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green says he still consults for the CIA
you know Green think think
think
and I have I thought about it for many
years I'll give you the answer
the most precious secrets are hidden in
plain sight as a stupid expression but
you know what it happens sometimes to be
true he told me he collaborates
regularly with Hal but on what neither
one of them will say
oh yeah I've got it going through me
if you can see Hal putoff resigned from
the SRI remote viewing program at the
height of his success but he did go back
to remote viewing at least one more time
how repeated my silver forecasting
experiment for his child's high school
he raised twenty five thousand dollars
in the stock market for a class field
trip to Washington then he went back to
seeking to extract energy from the
vacuum in his Austin laboratory we got
our hands in every pie
it turns out that kitten Hal really were
collaborating
kit brought Hal into a Top Secret
Pentagon UFO Assessment program revealed
in December 2017 by the New York Times
oh and Hal says they've recovered UFO
debris but that's another story pad
price is brave in North Hollywood
remains on Mark and his death remains a
mystery
and as for Russell targ he continues to
tell his story showing people just like
you and me all around the world that
we're all psyching
say no animals were harmed in the making
of This film so I'd like to ask you is
it fair to say that no physics were
harmed in the making of This film
physics isn't but physicists might be
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