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money
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we found a what we assume is a fission
reactor 29 miles in diameter you can see
the dome
there you can see the support sections
there have we missed anything john is
there something uh that you wanted to
cover that we haven't had a chance to
look at just let me talk a little bit
about the civilization on the moon
because that's been the thrust of mine
and tell us something about the glass
structures that that hoagland's talking
about because he he calls it glass he
said it's a special kind of glass but
do you agree with him
okay and why not
because he's talking about i think the
apollo 14 pictures
and
his thrust is those glass structures are
domes right
and those domes are what contain the air
no the the air
it's a it's a thin atmosphere but as you
know according to boyle's law
the
uh
in an atmosphere the the lower it is the
thicker it is
so if you
have and i've had some wonderful
drawings i posted but i don't see them
in here as a matter of fact i'm going to
try and find them so that you can
take a picture of them because they draw
exactly what i'm talking about
the air settles into the craters and if
you're in the crater you can breathe
fine if you get out of the crater it
takes a little
longer but basically the civilization of
the moon
starts
back at newton somebody has influenced
our thought
about the moon
since the beginning
of our or thinking about anything
uh newton for instance he started this
venture say that you know there might be
more mass on the moon
and that's brought out in his three
books
now called principia
shortly after
newton died
somebody modified his thoughts to make
what is called
the um
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newton law of universal gravitation
which is
fg equals g times m1 m2 over r2
and
he didn't come up with that that was
somebody else he didn't think that you
had to specify what the mass was
but anyway
in 1856 there was a
danish mathematician
and astronomer named peter andreas
hansen
and
he proposed he had been
researching the uh times and
and the periods of saturn and several
implants he was very knowledgeable but
anyway he was also looking at the moon
and he had found something strange about
the moon that when you
uh
did the predictions on where the moon
should be for a particular time for its
particular mass it was not there
and so in 1956 he went
before the royal society astronomical
society and proposed that the um there
was a bump
on the back far side of the moon that
was actually uh
the center of gravity was actually
placed 57 kilometers farther out in
space
than have been generally realized and
for that reason he thought that there
might be atmosphere on the far side and
with this atmosphere he thought there
might be plants vegetables and maybe
even human life
so
he was regarded as uh as a hero and a
very interesting guy up until 1870
when a guy named simon newpkum
came to paris and told everybody that
peter andreas hansen was full of beans
there was not a shred of truth to it and
that even if he was right about these
different times that uh it wouldn't make
any difference
so guess who simon newcombe was
he was a rear admiral in the u.s navy
and head of the u.s naval observatory in
washington dc
the reason people have trouble with an
atmosphere on the moon
is to have an atmosphere you have to
have gravity
and people think that it's one-sixth
gravity and they've been sold that over
the years
somebody has had an agenda here so that
we don't think
that there's any gravity on the moon but
there is and the way it can be proven
is by using the bullyaldus newton law of
inverse square
which takes the size of the planets the
diameter of the planets and the neutral
point
uh the neutral point is that point
between the earth and the moon
where the gravity of the earth
exactly meets the gravity of the moon
now nasa has traditionally told us that
that's 24 000 miles and
if you work out the
inverse square law with 24 000 miles
the moon
does have 1 gravity but the fact is the
neutral point is at 43
495 miles how do we know that we know
that because warner von braun told us
that in 1968 we know that because in two
of the books of apollo including apollo
17 and there was another apollo mission
they specifically told you know this
physically said here we are at 39 000
miles and the uh
and at the neutral point so
we know that it's that it's
between 39 and 43 000 miles and either
one of those would work out to be about
60 to 64 gravity earth so
having 64 of gravity earth it can hold
an atmosphere and
how the people say well if it has the
atmosphere
you know how does it keep the atmosphere
well the same way the earth does
they have
forests
meadows lakes rivers peoples
civilizations
and
it's on a band
of the moon that's just beyond where we
can see
and i have a picture here but but i
can't find it but it's on a band and
that's the same band that both uh menger
and adamski visited i'm pretty sure
menscher uh actually went to the moon in
1954
uh and they let him step out of the
train uh and breathe the air uh he's not
he's 86 years old uh living in vero
beach florida i emailed him the other
day to get the exact color of the moon
and if you could reach that picture i
could hold it up it's behind the cigar
box
of the moon the color picture of the
um i'm sorry
oh
yeah
sorry which one are your references it's
the long picture with the yellow sky
up at the top you mean you don't mean on
the wall do you no
no no behind the cigar box
oh
yeah thank you
oh i see those cigar boxes
no just hand me that photo right there
okay this is the crater copernicus
and this is the same photo that's up
there but all i did was put the exact
color of the lunar sky and how do i know
that because i emailed uh howard mender
in florida who took a trip there in uh
1954
and uh when he's when he looked up into
the skies that's the exact color he saw
he describes it as a saffron color and i
sent a number of swatches with different
color saffrons to him in florida and he
marked the x on that particular color
and so i put that color behind the
crater copernicus and that's the color
of the sky
why would it be that color why wouldn't
it be
i mean we think it's that color because
uh although the atmosphere is not as
dense as
the earth it's higher
and the the rays reflecting through
the atmosphere will go more towards
yellow
but what you get on a um
on high mountains on earth for example
is you just get a darker blue um
i mean i know that because i've been
there
um
is it it would be a different
composition
of the atmosphere in order to create
that color effect surely it would it
would contain different
different gases do you know anything
about that no okay all i know is it's
breathable he
stepped out he said it was very hot but
not as hot as we're led to believe
and he said you certainly couldn't stand
it for very long but then he looked up
and saw that color sky now what's can
you tell us something about him what is
his background
howard was just uh
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a person living a normal life and
they came and or they
the moon people came and invited him to
go up there he wrote this book called
secrets of the flying saucers from outer
space one man's fantastic revelations
uh of visitors from other worlds he has
a website
i've read this book several times as you
can see
here i've highlighted exactly he uh
says what what he did on the moon where
he uh where he was taken uh there was a
lot of other people he said the place he
went uh one of the places was like the
valley of fire in nevada uh he says
there we stopped long enough for our guy
to open the door and permit us to stick
our heads out for a brief moment which
was all one could take for it was
terribly hot outside like a blast
furnace i was certain that no one could
have lived outside very long and was
glad to have shut the door
so is that um maybe a basis for the
domes as well because you know you can
radiate regulate temperature you can
yeah i'm sure there's there's small
domes i don't think there's any like
hoagland is saying though huge domes all
over the place though
uh here he says uh
i looked up in the sky it was a
yellowish color when looking
i had a clear
impression that if i walked some
distance i would fall off since the
horizon was so foreshortened
there was other groups with him
along with ordinary folks scientists
geologists electronic engineers rocket
experts
astronomers and so this guy is you say
in his 80s at this point 86 he was 86
the other day have you met him in person
not in person only on email but um but
basically
as far as you're concerned he has no
reason to lie right no no because his
story is the same as the georgia
damski's uh truman bethearum the other
what the government
labeled as
which was their way of saying yeah well
you know they're just contactees
and i think both of them both of damski
and
mendrew became
very important sources for the
government when i first got into this
you know 20 years ago and people say you
know what do you well you know think
flying saucer really yeah i'd say yeah
but you know that george obscure sea
scuff was all it wasn't it was
all real so it was howard manager so was
truman and betharam and daniel fry all
those people were telling you know the
exact truth
but the fact is
if you've been to living moon you've
seen the original government papers on
who was involved in the anti-gravity
project in 1952 and lear incorporated my
father's company is listed right there
and there's a video floating around
on the
on the web that shows him
at the blackboard
teaching scientists at the bonson
institute
how a flying saucer flies and this was
probably 1954 or 1955
but the fact is we had anti-gravity
solved in 1957 or 1958 and we started
building our own craft and went to the
moon in in 1962 and
mercury gemini apollo was just a cover
for all that was really going on
now
what do you say about
the
all the nasa pictures all the apollo
photos of the moon which do not show a
saffron sky
what's going on yeah it always shows
pure black
and the reason is they couldn't show the
real color that's why all those photos
are so fake that's why there's no stars
there they didn't have much of a choice
you know they're trying to say
uh that it's dark that it's a
a vacuum well first of all it can't be a
vacuum because neil armstrong says he
could pick up the uh
the dust with his toe and we all know
that a vacuum uh that the um
the dust will settle into a crust and
you can't pick it up with your toe
and
they couldn't show the sky because it
was a saffron color and that would lead
everybody to believe there was
atmosphere
so
i'm not sure whether apollo 11 went and
here's why now
it may have gone to the moon
the command service module and may have
orbited the moon
but the problem i have is
they only had 22 000 pounds of fuel
and
they went into an orbit that was about
50 miles by about 10 miles
uh this would be impossible with 64
gravity but even if it was
from 10 miles they'd have to go down to
the lunar service surface
surface land and then take off with 22
000 pounds of fuel
i don't think that happened i don't
think they could do it that's not enough
fuel to do that
second of all i have a group of friends
that remote viewed apollo 11 did it land
and they and they weren't able to see
any kind of landing uh all they were
able to see was it was a cia cover-up of
somehow
uh the other one is aldrin's comment
and i'd just like to um
read from buzz aldrin's book
um
they would yeah
here's what aldrin says when
he's asked how did it really feel to be
on the moon
and he bristles quote for christ's sake
i don't know i just don't know i have
been frustrated since the day i left the
moon by that question
yeah that's amazing
um
the fourth reason is the video of the
light standard uh crashing now
the one small step for a man now that's
been alleged to have been a joke but if
it was
uh it was extremely well done and very
expensive my opinion my opinion is that
it was real that that was during the
filming
and i based that on
little details like the latter like the
shadows
everything about that tape is real i
think that was a real outtake of one
small step for a man
uh number five
the g's to require to orbit and de-orbit
uh as you know the lunar lander had no
couches he had no seats had no chairs
they stood up they stood up and they had
an arm rest under here and one under
here and all they had is a little belt
that came out from the side and wrapped
around them now that's not even good for
a seat belt they're called
pilot restraints that's all they had and
you're telling me they came out of orbit
at 50 000 feet and landed and then
blasted off with with an arm rest no no
i i don't think that happened and the
other is the different ladder in the any
picture of one small step for a man and
photos of the apollo 11 taken after that
show
a much thinner
ladder one made of tubular
looks like aluminum compared to the one
uh in one small step that is at least
that thick and it's a it's an l-shaped
so
that's my take uh apollo 11 i don't
think landed the others maybe but i'm
not sure if they did
if any of them landed it was with
technology that used annie graff
that's what we were told we were told
that they they had help
otherwise they would not have been able
to that was the only way they could have
done and they wouldn't have been able to
get through the van allen belts do you
have any
view about that i
believe that to be true the only reason
i hesitate is because bob lazar told me
that
there was nothing dangerous about the
van allen bells but what you say about
the van allen belt uh sleeper is is
adamant about he said nobody can get
through that he said that's a protective
layer around the earth so that we can't
get out the only way that we could get
out was with help we were told that too
from the inside and that's what sleeper
is very adamant about that
very interesting okay now um
i have to ask you about the standard
rebuttal to the atmosphere
issue which is that when you're looking
at the moon through a telescope and you
see a star it doesn't twinkle it's just
crystal clear just like it's always
there and then it suddenly disappears
people who say that haven't done that
first of all if you read
d.a first off
book called
a strange world of the moon you'll see
that there's many instances of
occultation but the fact is occultation
can only occur uh is if there is uh some
sort of uh
dust or
or kind of sediment in the atmosphere
here on earth there's all kinds of
problems up there on the moon it's clear
perfectly beautiful
you know depending on the thickness
you may not see occultation but if you
want to read
strange world of the moon by v.a first
off he lists at least 14 or 15
astronomers that have seen occultation
okay
i want to check my understanding
of the issue of the the
um the center of gravity of the moon
being offset from the center of the moon
have i understood that right correct uh
it's 57 kilometers further away from
earth than it's normally thought and of
course that's confirmed by apollo 10.
that doesn't sound like it's enough to
make any difference to anything that's a
very small amount
relative to the size of of the moon
which is well uh of course we don't know
what the moon's made of we don't know
how much uh
you know how much actual weight that
would be but the fact is that the moon
does this um
uh what do they call it uh
where it spins at the at the top
yeah
but what's it called vibration
another spaceship moon mystery is its
libration
libration is a spaceship moon's wobble
and this wobble is theorized by
mainstream science uh to be caused by
tidal lock title lock
is a nonsensical theory to account for
unknown forces like gravitons to account
for gravity
maybe the spaceship moon's libration or
wobble is caused by the rotation of the
moon
about the location of the gravity b wave
generator which is located further away
from the earth from the center of the
spaceship's moon geocentric center
it's curious to note that one cycle of
libration is equal to one period of
rotation of the spaceship mode
are you saying
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therefore that
this is
one of the causes for the gravity
on the far side of the moon if you're on
the surface to be greater than it is on
this side and that's and so the
atmosphere is on the other side of the
moon peter andreas hanson felt that it
was on the other side
but the fact is if there was a more
gravity
further
it would depend on the altitude whether
the er whether the air was denser on the
far side or the near side what we don't
know for sure
is the altitude the altitude the mean
altitude
uh if we knew that we would be able to
tell where the denser atmosphere is but
in any case the denver atmosphere is
going to go to the lower portion
this is
a picture of the moon and this was taken
by um
lick observatory
and in any picture of the moon you see
any picture from
way back when up until now there's a
very bright spot up here which is called
aristarchus you ask nasa or anything
about it they just say it's incredibly
white we don't know what's there or why
it's like that but in fact
last summer
we had
an astronomer over in england take a
picture
if this shows it
we found a what we assume is a fission
reactor 29 miles in diameter you can see
the dome
there you can see the support sections
there and you see can see the uh
the
blow glue the the blue glow of radiation
while the reactor is going absolutely so
this is a nuclear reactor on the moon
it's visible on this side of the moon
right correct
and we've always been told it's just
it's whited out on any photo you see
they just take a
white out
and they put it there so that
i can't remember whether i did but i
know he wouldn't admit it this is the
clementine photo you see how it's it's
air been airbrushed all it is is
you know just lines there
um we wondered whether you had any
insights intuitions or anything else
about what happened to steve fossett
i flew for baron hilton for three years
both his uh hawker 125 and his learjet
and many many times went to the flying m
ranch
and uh so i'm very familiar with that
very familiar with byrne
and um the fact is that the
navy undersea warfare center is only 16
miles to the east
it
just coincidence
that
it was only
two days after i posted all this stuff
on the internet about the sub
the naval undersea warfare center
uh and the battleship
uh and hawthorne's tie-in with the
underground
uh submarine base that steve fawcett
disappeared so what i theorize is that
he took off and was just flying down
there saw an interesting place flew
around
and the navy commander looked up and
said i'll bet you that's john lear shoot
that son of a down
so they shot him down and they went over
there and
they looked and found out it was steve
fawcett and the admiral said we made a
mistake i don't want anybody ever to
know about this get rid of the airplane
in the body
crazy that's very crazy but uh
you know i say that semi italian cheek
there's no reason that you know for
steve fawcett to have disappeared like
that it's just
unbelievable considering the amount of
money amount of airplanes amount of time
that went into that search how could he
possibly disappear you know the problems
i have with you know when he first
disappeared we heard that he was looking
for
you know a straightaway for his car
well
you know it's pretty obvious you can
look on a map you need seven miles and
there's not many dry lakes that are
seven miles long and even all dry lakes
are on a map so he would need to fly
around to find some
accidentally undiscovered lake bed i
mean it's ridiculous well plus he's not
going to fly in the mountains for that
right no and then you know we heard that
he took his watch would have which had
the uh
automatic uh emergency signal and then
it turned out no he didn't have his
watch
but i will say this the stories that he
was shot down over restricted areas like
groom lake or tone upon test drainage
just ridiculous that's not the way it
happened he was recruited and sent to
mars or something
i said i think he was recruited
maybe forcibly to work on you know on
mars or moon very well could have been
there's some people that have
disappeared i have some questions about
and the number one guy is bob nathan now
bob nathan was head of jpl's viking
imaging
very well known
always accessible to the public
bob lazar and i went down to see him
personally to ask him a question about
mars we got badges we were admitted
personally you know he told us
everything he knew
uh you know it was easily accessible now
you google him on the
you google him and there's no record of
the guy wow it's like you go to
wikipedia and look for john lear he does
not exist and if you look into the
records on wikipedia
the only thing that said
no substantiation for anything he
claimed and that's it on wikipedia now
you can find bob lazar bill lear you
know
uh the man on the moon howard manager
everybody else but you can't find john
lear on wikipedia
so bob nathan has disappeared as far as
you know as google yeah i can't find him
and the reason i looked for him was
because i was telling the story of when
bob and i went down to jpl and the
reason we went down there is bob just
got out of s4
at s4
he was shown a picture of what they call
um cydonia
and there's pyramids there and a face on
mars he was shown very clear pictures
and on the pyramids there there was no
doubt he could see doors windows handles
door handles everything i mean
it was a place where somebody lived so
our question was to bob nathan were
there any other pictures taken other
than the two that oglen and aphro put in
their book and he said no not that we
know of and so then we said well you
know these pictures were taken
uh at a very low altitude was viking
ever
taken lower
than the pictures that oglen and pietro
have uh and nathan said yes but we
didn't take any pictures from that lower
altitude
so what that tells us is how
compartmentalization works again bob
nathan knew one part of his program
right not nathan is not the head of the
program you know he just is the front
man for the certain things that he does
you know and it's the guys down in
australia you know canberra that get the
original signal that tell you know
exactly
uh what's going on we had a girl named
uh kathy thomas that worked at goldstone
and she used to tell us some funny
stories uh bob and me because she would
get the signals from australia and she'd
say we've been sitting there waiting for
you know mars signals and it would be 24
hours and they'd say uh
they'd send a message down and say you
guys done airbrushing those pictures we
need them you know
and uh so anyway she invited me and bob
down to goldstone and we got the royal
tour i mean we got up in the antenna and
all the different places there it was
really great unfortunately she got
canned about two weeks after that
and she went to work for raytheon up at
the test site and haven't heard a word
from her since now bob says he's heard
from her oh yeah but once you go to work
there
i mean you don't talk to anybody for
instance if you go to work for space
command
in colorado springs
when you get hired you're told
to say goodbye to all your friends
because you're going to have a whole new
set of friends and they don't want you
to accidentally
you know meet an old friend and say hey
you know you'll never guess what i'm
doing now you know
they're serious they say
say to holy you're both saved goodbye to
your old buddies because you are not
going to see them again and that's how
they avoid those little mix-ups like
that wow
incredible stuff
are you saying that that
bob lazar was shown
detailed pictures of cydonia at s4 when
he was talking about that yeah he was
shown the pictures of them do you know
why he was shown those pictures
part of his briefing they told him you
know the pages we had the moon the base
we had on mars
what does he remember about what he was
told about the mars base you know his
function and you know how big it is and
who else is there
nothing i've told you everything he told
me and all that was that he was showing
the picture
we went down to ask nathan about it and
that's all he was told
uh when you decide which you're going to
pursue that's all they tell you about in
his pursuit and his job he wanted to do
back engineer the propulsion they don't
brief you into anything else another
interesting thing i want to talk to dan
burch about you know what sold me on dan
burris
was the detail of the formalities
you know when you get out of the
airplane what are they doing and dan
burch i watch that videotape you know
you spent an hour telling exactly what
they do i was so detailed i don't see
anybody couldn't believe that stuff uh
i mean you just couldn't make that stuff
up about being escorted here and the
changing of the guard and all that stuff
well one of the things he said he was
weighed you know their weight in and out
and very carefully you know and what i
want to tell them is the reason that you
know that just came in a couple of years
ago is because that started with bob
lazar because on one of his trips up
there he took a little that little 110
camera that was just about that big and
he and they didn't search him in those
days and he walked right into s4 with it
and he had a chair and he leaned back
like that and he put it up into the leg
and then he was going to take a picture
and bring it out but we had his problem
before he got it out so after he left
somebody found that camera and that's
when all the weighing started
great story um okay john i have one last
question
you flew for years and years and years
right
as a major airline pilot
okay so you were up there quite a bit
did you ever see a ufo when you were
flying you know as i explained to people
when you're flying
you're not looking for ufos you're
looking at the instruments and seeing
where you're going or in my case
sleeping
so um
and then at night
you know when it's easier to see ufos
you're not looking outside first of all
you've got a brightly linear instrument
panel here and it's reflecting on the
window
and there's all kinds of reflections
around you're paying attention what
what's going on or like me sleeping and
so it's very difficult you wouldn't
notice
you wouldn't have the chance to notice a
ufo uh you would have to put your face
up to the window and cup your hands you
know and who's going to do that you know
right but yes there's twice i saw ufos
once was
in 1966 on descent into
los angeles in a learjet over palm
springs on that long descent through
panning pass
and i was descending and i saw a white
object going left to right across the
front of me and it looked exactly like
an m2f2 and that's the flying bathtub
that you know the seven million dollar
man crashed in you know remember that
series
it didn't have any engines or it had a
little engine but that was for landing
and it just looked like a flying bathtub
right yeah yeah
um
and so when i landed i even took the
time to call the chief pilot of
their jet hank beer and i said hey
you're never going to believe what i saw
the m2f2 passed me today you know going
into palm trains only years later did i
realize how ridiculous that was
that an m2f2 would be flying across the
main approach for at the los angeles
international airport you know they only
flew that thing way out in the desert so
you know obviously
that was something okay so twice so
that's one
and then lockheed out
1011 here just before i retired uh with
kitty hawk international going
westbound
over the midwest no it was my just like
south of chicago i was looking south and
of course the guys i flew with you know
no one was interested in ufos they
didn't want to know about it they didn't
want me to point out any ufos i don't
even bother looking you know besides i'm
usually asleep anyway but it just
happened that i was woken up here this
time and it was very very dark and very
quiet and i saw this thing come like
this
and go
just way
way out and out of space and wow that
was really something
and then i saw another one
bam about that you know i said boy
that's really something you know how to
tell these guys but as soon as i do
there's not going to be another one and
i'm going to look like an idiot so then
here comes the third one
boom like that i said well
i'm going to try it i said hey guys i
want you to look at something over here
and they both came over there and a
fifth one came he went boom like that
and both of them sat down boy
i never saw anything like that so that
was the second time and it was really
great because they both got to see
there was no denying it i mean they were
both in a state of shock and you know it
was definitely ufo whether you know it
was too small to see what so what year
was that do you remember would have been
98
97 98 not that long so i'm sure that
must have been our stuff
okay so people say okay john
there's flying saucers and reptilians
and secret bases and
secret satellites and and
we did our own 911 we uh we bombed
ourselves and uh there's wars and you
say there's nuke wars and coming you
know what are we supposed to do all
with all this i mean what's the point of
all this
the point of all this is
to try and
advance in your
in your life and the way that you can do
that
is to try and live your life without
envy hate or greed
also
to spend as much time with your family
and tell them how much you love them
that's really all we can do we can't be
responsible
for the the bad guys we can't be
responsible for the children that are
having so much trouble in the world we
can't be responsible for the nuclear
wars that are going on all we can do is
be responsible for ourselves and that's
to live our lives without envy hate or
greed and to tell each member of our
family how much we love them and to tell
them that every day
i try without
living without any aid in greed but
there sure are a lot of out
there so
that's great i think we'll make that our
ending but
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lunch we have to control the environment
here but happy that's why that's exactly
right that's why i thought that
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yeah
i mean it's so easy to forget you know
it's like you know this is
something you told us over a coffee
break
what
he says you blew her off a couple years
ago at your front door
she came to talk to you and you told her
to you know take a hike
i said
unbelievable
it's only i called up angela
and
it just happened a couple weeks later
she's running a full week course
the reason i want to take remote viewing
was because i'm not the least big
psychic i don't know when my wife's mad
i don't know when the doorbell's gonna
ring i don't know when the telephone's
gonna ring
then i want to find out if i could
remote view
and the answer was positively absolutely
i was shocked at the stuff i could do
wonderful and
one of the things we did
is uh
each day one guy got to send the other
to task the others
and i tasked in venus and i did no front
loading you know which means i'm giving
advanced information i've taken i
said nothing
and at the end i had to laugh because
everyone you know when they went to cool
down said
wow what a place
i'd love to go there you know because
it's it's beautiful there oh that's
great
and
it was really satisfying to do that
cool yeah well see there you go
what happens in the
late
50s
we had
a couple navy people used a balloon
checking out the atmosphere of venus and
they said there's probably
an atmosphere and you know for all
intents approved probably life there
so whatever reason
we had to put a stop to that
and
i theorized that they got some general
with around a table like this with his
aides and
he was telling them so here's here's the
plan
we got to be sure that nobody
believes there's life on venus so i need
you guys to give me some ideas now let's
think this through so one guy says
how about an atmosphere of sulfuric acid
the guy said good good i like that
atmosphere salt for your calcium come on
guys let's think out the box outside the
box here what else well how about uh
volcanoes exploding volcanoes
better yet we'll make a volcano every
square mile on venus with lots of lava
flowing around
okay come on let's get some more ideas
here
how about
how about 90 bars of pressure that's
good good 90 bars of pressure nobody
could live you know with 90 bars of
pressure 90 90 uh times the the pressure
on earth you see it says i think we got
a good good
program here and so one of the captains
said you know
general i don't think anybody's going to
believe this i mean how could
that all happen to a planet you know you
know so close to us i mean why would
there be sulfuric acid exploding
volcanoes you know and and in 90 bars of
pressure and then says don't you worry
about that son if you if we
say it loud enough and long enough
they'll believe it
and so that's how the new play venus
planet was born
incredible well i mean that's that's
actually a believable scenario what you
just laid out um
but both the damski and manager i think
they both either sought or
went there
well
there's also supposed to be some uh
white house
this is valiant thor and this is the
stranger at the pentagon oh valencia
that was told um
by
frank strangers
who wrote this book called stranger at
the pentagon and if i remember right i
hadn't read the book
if i remember right val thor was
supposedly from venus and that was
before they decided to cancel the venus
story right um
what do you know about that
only that is val's ship was supposed to
be parked right out here at lake mead
and i have the coordinates so you can go
right up there and
see where it was
but that's all i know about that about
thor but
one of the people who we met after after
we interviewed you was bob dean you must
know quite well
wonderful man
um he told us that the
the
aliens who the authorities were most
worried by were the ones who are
indistinguishable from ourselves
right and who were walking the corridors
of the pentagon and in government and in
the military and you know
walking down the street and you'd never
know the difference
have you heard nothing about that
there are aliens like that but the
problem is
we allied ourselves with the wrong
aliens we think that the graves are our
enemy and that's why we built
those 12
or at least 12
weapons
based platforms for the direct energy
weapons that circle the globe now and we
started in 1968 before apollo ever went
and we've been building it ever since
and what they
what they intend to do and when i say
they i'm talking about the nasty natsu
nasa nazis
is
if they can't get rid of the graves
they're going to blow up earth because
they don't want the graves to have what
they consider the prize they don't
understand
that there's billions of earths there's
billions of earth just identical to us
all in various stages of development you
know
and
they think they're going to destroy
earth and they're not now in support of
that story one of the first things bob
told me that night
was he saw a message that we sent to the
owners of the graves and it was if you
help us get rid of the grazer nobody's
going to have earth and that's when bob
told me about the super weapon that we
have
that could destroy a continent half the
size of south america
and since then
i've heard you know
really
knowledgeable guys say yeah we we have
some really frightening weapons and i'm
not sure how it's going to turn out
so
the plan is the guys who run all of this
stuff
are going to destroy the plan is to
destroy us if they can't get rid of
graves and of course they're not going
to get rid of the graves the grays are
all over the freaking place
they're
i can't say they're beneficial they have
a job to do and that's to take care of
the containers sometimes it's good
sometimes it's evil but that's their job
and there's nobody going to interfere
with that so
they will
almost certainly protect us from any
kind of disaster that's going to come
along
but meanwhile the nasty okay well what
about the reptilians
they're a separate deal i'm sure um they
have their own
civilization they're probably
underground
um
well i mean you certainly know that
there's more than one kind of gray right
yeah there's plenty of them and there's
plenty of different types of reptilians
and ron schmidt and i are talking with a
guy
um
really a knowledgeable scientist
you know a guy that you know would sit
down and be comfortable without talking
with anything and he told us our his
first encounter with a reptilian and it
was so believable you know he's working
across the lab and he just looks over
this guy and asks him a question he says
the second eyelid went down for a second
you know
uh
contacted by somebody who's
a scientist who actually is a nephew
of uh
one of the ex-cia directors he's a solid
very smart guy and he went in just for a
couple of days
at one point
to do a particular
technical job in darcy this is how this
is how this little conversation started
and as part of his briefing for going to
dulce
he
was
told about what he should do if he
should encounter a reptilian this is
part of the briefing very matter of fact
and
uh what he was told is that if you
encounter one of these guys
you drop your hands with your palms open
to show
that
it's it's a gesture of supplication and
shows that you're not a threat so you
don't do that
you do that
and he said that that's what you do with
these guys man they'll leave you alone
and he did encounter one of these he
encountered one reptilian
in silent communication with one grey
and just on one occasion just for a few
moments and he did what he was told
you know and he said that this
large creature
was uh awesome and arrogant and cold and
look like it could just you know kill
you with a single bird
and you know just back away back away
slow and everything was cool and
everything was cool and he told us this
in a very matter-of-fact way
absolutely
many
stories i've heard