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turns out areas
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you know he was going nuts then because
they were shooting his tires he came
here the night the day they shot his
tires out or the one tire out and uh
you know he came here he said john i'm
gonna turn myself in i said bob there's
nobody to turn yourself into now stop it
you know
so these are the original dulce papers
they were written in
pencil
by mr x who lives in henderson
and
the reason he
uh
wrote them down was so that i could
distribute them
and there's a page of information
and then there's the drawings here that
you can see here of the lab
and the vats with the human meat in it
and the test tubes growing the humans
and uh different
this is this is the womb
with the different humans
and the different vats
and then
where did these papers the drawings come
from
mr
x copied them from the photographs that
thomas
castillo gave to him to hide okay mr x
got one of the boxes
one of the boxes was hidden in the
mountains near dolan springs
which is southeast of here on your way
to kingman
so the deal was
they were after oh and then i took these
and what i did was typed it up
and made these black and white drawings
from the pencil drawing because you
couldn't see the pencil drawings
very clearly so you see you have
the vat here
and the little thing that comes down it
says seems to keep water vibrated
it was an amber liquid
and it gives the approximate dimensions
so it looks like large pieces of pale
meat and cloudy water submerged not
floating
each one
the description of one of the photos
that uh
castillo gave mr x
uh here's a picture of the cameras on
the doorway to
scores of tanks or more
and this is
now i forget what happened to thomas
costello i'm going to tell you
so
here's a picture of uh these wombs are
hooked into machines womb submerged in
sort of yellow liquid looks thicker than
water and these humans are growing there
creatures float in amber colored water
room is grayish globs of yellow white in
grooves
dozens of creatures in each womb can't
count the tanks maybe scores or a
hundred these wounds were two feet
vertically and three to four feet uh
horizontally
these creatures
uh
okay go keep going because no no no no
no no no we're okay i've got two cameras
on him huh
uh the creatures if you take them out of
this womb here's a uh
what it would look like if they placed
you placed them in your hands they have
three fingers two toes they're not human
the color is wrong looks blue gray they
have a very thin skin
and they're about six inches high
these are what the
the test tubes look like
the room light was pink purple bright in
some areas
hundreds of these various stages of
growth in other words these tubes these
things that growing here are in various
stages of growth
wispy hair
not quite a nose the mouth looks sealed
the womb looks gray
veins look dark gray creature
white pale eyes dark lids
can't find a gender two toes three
fingers
uh liquid amber color not completely
clear
looks like the glass tube is about five
foot high
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then these this is various information
we don't know what that is
but that was in the papers
so
castillo took uh costello took uh
made six of these five or six of these
waterproof
uh
wrapped in plastic
uh
containers and they had
uh 25 black white black and white photos
a videotape with no dialogue and a set
of papers that included technical
information
of the uh alleged jointly occupied
us alien facility one kilometer beneath
the archuleta mesa near dalsey new
mexico several persons were given the
above package to hold for safe keeping
most of those given the package were
shown what the package contained but
were not technically oriented uh or knew
very little about what they were looking
at
uh so mr x was given one hid it
and the deal was
thomas was on the run
and
gulci or any of those other operations
send out bounty hunters and these are
like bikers or stuff that go find
somebody for money
and they're very serious about their
occupation and usually it doesn't take
very long to go get somebody
but anyway
thomas told mr x if i
i'm going to be here every four months
just to show you that i'm alive or i'll
be in contact
if i miss two
four-month contacts or eight months
two in a row then you can release these
papers
so this all happened in 1987
and i think 1993 or 94
was when
uh
castillo mist
missed his uh
connections in other words reversed the
com the contact at the first six four
months
and the second at eight months
so it was decided to go and get and get
the box
i didn't go myself
but i believe
bill hamilton did i think he was one of
them
and i think tau was another one
but i'm not sure i don't remember it's
been
you know almost 20 years ago and i
remember but i do remember
that it was a serious effort that they
made at least six expeditions in defying
this
uh box and it was never found
and the top of the mountain is that
correct it wasn't at the top it was
it was i don't think it was at the top
it was hidden about halfway up like
there was like a spell or a black magic
you know some kind of spell
cast on that
whole area around the box
it could have been i do know that uh
there is nothing secret that any of us
do we're always on film or video or some
kind of camera have been for 40 years
there's absolutely nothing we can hide
nothing we think or say or do as sacred
uh meaning you guys are surveilled
because you were involved no everybody
every person on the face of the earth
right there's nothing that anybody does
a secret
um
and the navy
you know some of the stuff that linda
howe came out with as a matter of fact i
had a chance to talk with her the other
day
um
she had found some papers in her garage
that looked pretty technical
and she said they had got she got them
in the late 80s but she had never read
them
and so now that she had taken the time
to read them she thought they had a lot
of value and
and were they mine and i said no they
don't sound like mine
and she said okay well i'm going to post
them so
she posted them on her website and
somebody on ats says hey man or you got
to look at this or maybe not on ats i
think it was gone by then it was
somebody like on open minds and i said
okay i'll take a look so i went over
there
and it was you know you have to pay um
dues or you know you have to pay a fee
to get on her stuff so i couldn't get in
so i wrote her and i said linda i'm a
little short at this time can you uh let
me look at him i never heard from her so
i got somebody to uh download it and i
read it all
and it all it was was stuff that me and
tal and everybody else in the industry
somebody had taken all that and put it
together like it was one big
you know document oh okay all of our
stuff and there's some hidden
uh phrases the one the one i remember
specifically was talking about a former
attorney general in nevada named um uh
brian
uh and i forget what his first name was
his last name was brian and it was
spelled
b-r-i-a-n and his real name is b-r-y-a-n
for some odd reason
i had the capacity to recall stuff that
happened
you know
50 years ago exactly and i don't know
what what it is
you know but i can recall stuff i read
stuff you know people i talk to
you know
anything to do with this is instant and
i don't know how it works because
there's a lot of other stuff i don't
remember
but stuff like reading i can take that
document read write through it they know
i know who wrote each one of these you
know and and recall that so
the document that she had
uh was was not not secret so the box was
never found what about the other i don't
know six boxes
each one was given to a friend and each
one none of them was found
okay
so that's pretty much the end of the
dolce story it comes up every once in a
while what about mark richards have you
ever heard of him
he's the guy who well he's a guy who
said he was a security guard who is in
prison right now for another you know
it's like a setup he says is set up for
murder his wife joanne i guess is out
total
unadulterated really and that's
from
three of us who have researched that
story
backwards forwards upside down that's
the
the dark of the moon or something like
that i mean it was crazy when i started
to read that i actually paid for it i
sent you know actually paid real money
for that story
and you know because he says he was a
test pilot for my father and
back in the 40s back in the late 40s and
and that would have fit because you know
he did use test pilots back and then and
and some of it sounded pretty
interesting but then when i read the uh
the attack on dulce and you know the
attack the dulce story
the the fight what we call the dulce war
not a war at all
what happened is they were in this this
is like
in the late
70s i think it was 79.
um the gray
one gray was giving a class to about 40
u.s scientists it was at los alamos or
dulce
and
he it was just a class
and guards
our guards the delta force
were advised that they were not allowed
to go into a classroom with a gray or
approach a gray or be anywhere near a
gray with a firearm of any sort
and so whatever reason
uh this security guard walked into this
instructional class
with a weapon and
the um
gray killed him instantly
i mean there was no warning no nothing
just killing myself
and so
the delta force
um
who were watching it on the monitor
went in force to get you know to to take
revenge
on something they had um
witnessed and when it was all said and
done
there was
66 people killed
and included all the scientists and all
the delta force
now
by the one gray
the other one
so i had heard this story
and
when bob was at s4
he read the identical story
he heard the word dulce
the only difference between the document
the briefing he read on the
on the massacre
was that it occurred at area 51 and the
only possible explanation that i have
for that is his clearance hadn't
advanced high enough for him to know
about dulce
because it didn't happen at area 51 it
happened at dulce but he did read the
whole description and he talks about
that
maybe we'll have time
there's a videotape over there called
the bob chronicles and very few people
have seen it and what it was was when
bob decided not to go back to work at
the test site
and
and he was you know he was going nuts
then because they were shooting his
tires he came here the night the day
they shot his tires out or the one tire
out and uh
you know he came here he said john i'm
gonna turn myself in i said bob there's
nobody to turn yourself into now stop it
you know
and so he slept on the couch that night
and um
i lost my train of thought there he
slipped on the couch um what was they
talking about right or that we were
talking about well um
his having seen these documents he
wasn't clear to know about dulce but you
know oh yeah it's about the firefight
but you're saying no but you were saying
this tape this the tape that he recorded
bob chronicles so anyway um
right after that uh george knapp went in
and did an hour interview over at his
house
and uh to get everything on tape that he
could possibly tell us so that if they
did kill him that at least we'd have
that and that was before we made the uh
you know the lazar tape the lars are
taking you know it took three or four
months to do you know and then that was
a professional one but what george
wanted to do was was get the the mean of
the information right now so you're
saying you have that yeah it was right
there i gave it to
ron um
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garner garnet the other day to put it on
dvd did you
is he gonna try to sell it i don't think
so i told him no it's it's uh we tried
to get it i talked to george about it
and he said no technically it belongs to
channel eight so you can't do anything
with it i said okay i don't i just show
it to friends
you know to say yeah we'd love to see it
sure
that'd be great
so in a few minutes here we'll take a
little break and i'll show that
i'd like to ask you how that
dovetails into phil schneider's story
about the firefighter well you know
phil's a great guy met him on several
occasions it's a great story
i think there's aspects of phil
schneider's
story that are true but i don't think
the dulce is and i don't think he was in
a dulce firefight
because everybody got killed there and
well isn't it possible there's more than
one
firefights yeah possible but bob only
read one and the guys that i've talked
to
a few minutes ago we were talking about
the insiders
uh that i had met and then the one
insider
i told you about
um
that told me about building the mine
piece of mining equipment that was so
huge and he doesn't know how it went to
the moon
he talked about dulce and he said that
he knew it as section d
and there's other people that know it as
section d and not dalsy
that guy specifically he was the the
insider when i talk about an insider
this one guy was on the inside and he
said you know he told me stuff i hadn't
heard before for instance i'd always
heard that we've been to the moon
earlier than 1969 says yeah we were
there in 62
they were on mars in 66.
he was the one that told me
about the fourth
astronaut being killed and apollo 1
because he was there two hours later
they sent him specifically and he didn't
say why they called for him or what he
did but he said that
instantaneously as the fire was going
out
nsa who controls everything there it's
not nasa it's a national security agency
they locked down the whole area and
nobody moved while they went in there
nsa guys and removed that body they had
to you know
take grissom and chaffee and white and
get that guy because where he was
sitting was down by the uh
the environmental control unit
and i'll show you what the apollo
module looks like because when you first
start talking about a fourth guy that oh
there's no room i've seen it in a museum
well there's plenty of room down there
because that's where they stored the
moon rocks and
we're going to store the moon rocks and
the guy would stick his feet there and
lay his head up on the instrument panel
and the astronauts would be laying this
way and he'd be laying that way
and what it was there was always a
fourth guy there to help sort out their
problems now that particular day
joe shea was supposed to be there
and for some reason joe couldn't be
there and so this astronaut whoever he
was was in there helping him sort these
problems out and in any book over there
on apollo that you read
this the official story is
that um
um
walt walt shiraz met with uh joe shea
at lunch and said you know why don't you
hook up an extra fourth headset in there
and uh
and send somebody else in to go help
them sort out their problems and jose
shea allegedly said yeah i think we'll
try that out and then the book goes on
each book goes on to say it was too
difficult to do that they would hang had
to hang wires out the hatch and they had
to seal the hatch so they couldn't do it
and all that of course is they
had everything wired for a fourth
astronaut in there just to just for that
specific purpose to help them sort
through the problems now
um
you know chuck
um
um what not mcclellan
right
clark mcgowan and i have talked at this
at length and
you know to this day it hurts him to
talk about it
because it was so awful
but
you know we've talked about what
happened after that and
you know and his feeling is he's the one
that told me he said
it was not a specific kill
but
they they let it happen they let him die
and uh this one really hurts clark
okay about uh a week ago
cnn said that a 220
mile by
40 or 50 mile chunk of ice had broken
off from antarctica
and that it just demonstrated how
serious global warming was coming
becoming and it had a
video taken by a british
crew in a twin otter flying along this
huge chunk of ice that was cut as
straight as an arrow for 40 miles
and
this was trying to be sold to us the
public as something that had just broken
off when it was obviously a direct
energy weapon that had made all the
square cuts
on this and they're using
the weapons that they have the direct
energy weapons to do all kinds
of stuff like that
that one was to cut that piece of ice
off so we would
worry about global warming which
yes there is global warming but we had
nothing to do with it it's just a
natural cycle of earth that's going to
go warm up for a while and then it'll
cool off for a while there's nothing we
can do about it
other things they have done with that
certainly
the mura building in oklahoma city was
absolutely
a direct energy weapon no doubt about it
i'm sure that timothy mcveigh is alive
and well now he was part of the
operation there's no way that they'd let
him die uh that was a test
for the direct energy weapon which was
predecessed for the uh the 911. talking
about the atlas v mystery launch atlas v
is a missile that we is one of our
current missiles
that we use to launch all kinds of
things into space
um
this one was uh launched uh 24 hours
after
uh atlantis
the
sts-122
was scrubbed at
kennedy space center patrick air force
base is right next to that it's the
military cape canaveral
and somehow they got this thing launched
in 24 hours and i'm just saying the
importance of the story was something
that was going to go up in atlanta's had
to get up there and there was no delay
in it so they had to get the range ready
and put these astronauts i'm sure they
were astronauts it could have been cargo
but i'm sure the astronauts in this
atlas 5 and launch it now the atlas 5
of course has a huge
um payload as on top and there could be
anything in it i've never seen what's in
it i assume there's a little spaceship
in it and there are two or three
astronauts get in it when atlas v goes
up it opens like that and that little
spaceship goes out and can maneuver
between all the other state platforms we
have and then it can uh come back in and
glide in and land
what's so suspicious about this is they
got that thing into the air within 24
hours after atlantis was scrubbed and
the story they put out with it and uh
later i'll show you the headlines of
that story
which made it so suspicious
uh one of the things i want to tell you
about
is that um i've been driving between las
vegas and reno for
maybe 30 years my my folks moved up
there in 1968 i moved here in 1974 and
about two-thirds of the way to the reno
there's a nice little town called
hawthorne nevada uh there's a nice
little lake there it's called walker
lake it's about 14 miles long about 80
miles deep it's a very picturesque
little place a right huddle uh huddled
up against the mountains
uh there's two military operations there
one
is an army
uh ammunition
um
fabrication where they make
different types of explosives missiles
that type of stuff that's on one side of
the road on the other side of the road
is a place called newack nuwc and that
stands for the naval undersea
warfare center now
every time i go by there i see that
beautiful little sign that says navy
undersea warfare center and i realize
we're about as far out in the middle of
nevada as you can possibly get
all there is is sand and mountains
as far as you can see and this little
teeny lake it couldn't possibly be used
for undersea warfare
training because it's not that big so
i've always wondered you can look down
in there and it kind of slopes down
towards lake and you see a couple of
non-descript buildings but but nothing
very interesting
so i've always wondered what that place
is now over the years
of flying for the different airlines
that i've had i've talked to three
different people who have said
there's a submarine base there
now
i've always you know wondered first of
all
the submarines couldn't come up in
walker lake it just can't happen it's
too shallow there's no way they could do
that and besides there's a bottom to
that and they couldn't come up so
these people have been very
knowledgeable who have told me this and
i've always wondered
what what the real deal was so
last
august i gave a talk at the
san jose ufo expo west and
my topic was the civilization on the
moon when i talked about the
civilization on the moon
and
after it a navy guy came up in full
dress uniform
and young man and thanked him for my
talk
and i said
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should you be here and he said oh yeah
no no problem and i said great
when were you last down in the tubes and
he said oh i've said have you been down
in the tubes lately and he said every
day now that's the key question you ask
a navy guy because you know the navy has
an underground tube system that goes all
around the world and it's very very fast
i think you can go anywhere in the world
in an hour and it's very secret it's
been operational you know since the 60s
and everybody knows about it but it's a
big big secret and it's a big navy
secret
i've known some really you know
interesting and top-level navy guys and
i've never found anybody that actually
admitted being down there except this
one guy so
when he did that i said you know this
guy's
this guy's in he knows it
so i met with him later
and he told me a lot of interesting
things well what what's the description
of the tubes when you say the tubes are
you you're talking about like
what a high-speed train yeah it's a
high-speed train it's about the diameter
of this uh room and they have little
cars that you get into and you get lay
kind of prone like this and you pull the
hood down there and go
and you're you know anywhere in the
world in an hour
i talked to this guy and uh one of the
things i said you know do you know
anything about hawthorne
and uh
he said no
he said why and i said well you know
there's a the naval under
sea warfare center there oh yeah i know
what you're talking about
yeah i said um
the entrance is in uh north of fort ord
on monterey bay
and he said there's a the pacific ocean
underlies
california nevada and idaho
and he said that's
that's the channel that goes from
monterey bay to hawthorne and then
there's an elevator at hawthorne that
goes down 4 300 feet because the
altitude of hawthorne is 4 300 feet and
the out and the elevator takes them down
to sea level
under hawthorne and that's where that's
why
the army base is there
is because they make the ex the
ordinance that goes into submarines and
that's why you never see or nobody's
ever seen any ordinary trucks come out
of hawthorne either south or north they
don't they go right down to the pacific
ocean where the where the submarines go
in and they load up there and they come
out here
and
there's also now i know what a friend of
mine was uh scottie lyon
seal team six one of the original seal
team founders uh great guy passed away
now so now i can tell he told me there
was a secret navy base in lake tahoe he
didn't tell me more than that but now i
see what everybody's talking about
there's
underground
bases
naval bases that connected by the
pacific ocean that go all over there's
some up in idaho
uh and who knows you know um a few
months ago on ats a guy said that his
father worked on nuclear submarines in
st louis missouri
so you know and he went down there and
he saw the lake and everything so my
question was did they come up the
mississippi or did they come eastbound
uh under or in the in the pacific ocean
to there so then the question is does it
connect with the atlantic and it's very
possible it does
uh two of the original
nuclear submarines that were lost by the
navy uh as you remember uh were the
thresher and the and the scorpion
and both of them
had uh fantastic stories of you know a
valve coming apart or attacking a soviet
submarine and
that kind of stuff but if you go into
the branton files and read about that
story
those subs were lost exploring
this area here
both of them the thresher
and the scorpion and what was
interesting is on ats when i first
started to talk about this they called
in the big team from
the pentagon and this blowhard navy guy
comes in you know
all
huffy and heavy and i hear somebody
wants to talk about the thresher or the
scorpion you know and i let him have it
and of course he's gone the next day you
know he didn't realize you know he
thought he was going to
you know intimidate us there
that was really interesting
now
one of the other things i heard about
was computerized
um battleship it's called fleet 21. it
exists they just finished their sea
trial south western coronado it's
going into full operation now it's 600
feet long just exactly like any other
battleship except there's not one person
on it
it's all computerized
there's a helicopter landing pad on the
back that if anything goes wrong they
bring in a team with nine members and
they go down and they get to the
computer room and they fix it and then
take off but what that allows us to do
is make
total
attacks with a battleship uh with nobody
uh being hurt
the other thing i um
heard was we have what's called a fast
attack submarine now the stuff that i'm
telling you is technically not
classified for this reason
um
several years ago it was determined that
the minute you classified something
you had to do so much paperwork that it
became unclassified too many people had
to know about it
so the best thing was to do is not tell
anybody about it except those people
that knew about it
and and and not classify it and that way
you could keep it more secret if that
makes any sense
uh this is a nuclear-powered fast attack
submarine um
the interesting thing about this is
i believe it uses uh
um
fusion
instead of fission
it's only 70 feet long imagine a nuclear
source that could power that thing
within that smaller space
this is a 12-man uh
seal team lockout and this is the
submarine i think there's about 70 of
them now
that's the one i believe that cut the
cables because they can dive down deep
enough get down there and have their
12-man team go out there and do whatever
they want with the cables
this thing is very highly advanced it's
70 feet long goes 120 knots
and has a 9-man crew the rov here stands
for remote operator vehicles they're
tucked in there and there's three of
them one of them can fly one of them you
actually go up and fly around and take
pictures or do whatever you want now you
look at the 20 knot speed say john lear
now come on we know that um planing and
submerged halls cannot possibly go that
fast well the fact is now they've sound
found uh or
they've
perfected
uh
solved boundary layer control and
boundary layer control
is that portion of the sea that comes in
contact with the ship
and creates the friction
similar to the technology they got on
the wing of the b2 bomber
yeah that applied to
water
i understand and they make that uh and
they make the stuff
um
up in space
uh
manufacturing plants
when the shuttle comes back and one
other airplane i'll show you another
copy of it or picture of an airplane
here that was seen over ireland a couple
years ago
come back they're bringing parts and
they bring it back in sheets rolled and
bars
and it's the stuff that's fantastic and
you do all kinds of stuff but what the
most important thing you can do like on
submarines it keeps the boundary layer
that layer between the
hull and the sea
about three to five centimeters away so
there's absolutely no friction nor is
there any noise associated with that so
they use that not only on their new
battleships but on their submarines and
on their airplanes it's a really really
fantastic piece of
material
so that's how they go 120 knots we know
that the displacement hall
of a boat
like say the ronald reagan
uh the theoretical max speed is 1.34
times the water line so we know the
water line of the
uh ronald reagan is about a thousand
feet so you take 1.4 this times the
square root of that and you come out
with about 32 knots and that sounds
weird for most people you know an
aircraft carrier going 32 knots man
that's really hauling the fact is i
think the ronald reagan goes about 90
knots the reason i think that is because
the enterprise definitely went 75 knots
i have friends that operated on that and
they said that whenever they had to go
somewhere go someplace fast they would
tell everybody to get below decks you
know because the weather was coming and
then they get it up to 75 knots the
reason they did that is number one they
didn't want to be anybody figuring out
how fast they went
um and they didn't want it to get them
blown off deck because 75 knots is
really rolling that's almost 90 miles an
hour and you don't want anybody trying
to walk across the deck when they're
used to just maybe walking around 30
knots and then when you say well when
they got there wouldn't they ask any
questions no the fact is nobody asks any
questions
tw 800 was shot down by a navy submarine
it's been kept under wraps like that
i often hear people say um
uh well that's not possible because we
know that navy
guy's the most talkative in the world
and certainly somebody would talk that's
not true navy is one of the closest knit
forces uh in the world uh nobody says
nothing unless they're supposed to
and there's no possible way that anybody
on that submarine would have ever told
anything
yes one person did call his dad and that
uh
person called jim sanders who wrote the
down downing of flight twa but that was
800 but that was the only one that said
anything
um
which missile was it
that i don't know it was one that was
aimed at a drone and when they launched
it the drone was between tw 800 and the
submarine and for some reason when the
drone when the
missile was launched it lost
instantaneous just for an instant a lock
on the drone and when it reacquired a
lock it reacquired tw 800 and when it
went through tw 800 and went through
first class you know knocked the nose
off and caused the center tank you know
to explode um so you're saying it was an
accident
it was an accident it was a navy
accident they were just using it for
live fire exercises and they had done
that forever and that was the fifth
airplane the civilian airliner that the
navy had shot down since 1963. the first
one was flying tiger line who i worked
for uh tw are a lockheed constellation
over guam where a navy pilot went up and
he was just doing some you know aiming
at the at the uh airliner going by
because he had nothing else to aim at
and then accidentally let a missile go
in and shot down killed everybody on
board and um
that accident was always you know
unknown causes but it caused flying
tiger lines to be the largest cargo
carrier during the vietnam war and the
pentagon to authorize a separate flying
tiger airline which was called flying
tiger air services to run the
extra flights down from japan down to
vietnam i mean flying tigers made a
fortune off that accident and i was in
close time
so
just before i lose the point i'd like to
compare the testament here because we
were told by henry deacon now he
actually asked us to take this off our
website
because he was curious about what had
happened to twa 800. so when he was on
the inside he asked if he asked around
he said it was a stinger missile
it aimed exactly at the drone and just
missed it's exactly the way he said it
was a navy genuine accident he said the
whole thing was covered up he said the
thing was right at the top of its
classified altitude
um
limit which is higher than his
publicized about 14 000 feet that's
possible because it's publicized as
eight thousand feet and that's why all
of us cancelled this thing around yeah
is it possible that stinger will be
fired from a submarine i thought this
thing was handheld no i think the
stinger story
and its
classified altitude is maybe we're
trying to make it like uh
um
terrorists fired it instead of the navy
we would rather have terrorist fire
instead of our navy because the navy
just shot down the iranian ship so why
did they shoot down what henry said was
that it was a stinger but it wasn't okay
it could have been whatever it was it
was native i doubt if a stinger would be
fired from a navy vessel there's too
much evidence that the navy did it they
did it and i doubt if they did it with a
stinger okay uh stinger has an explosive
on it and there were no explosives uh in
gw800 there was only the the fuel
which uh which damaged anything and
that's that's for the record okay
uh sanders did an excellent thing on
that but anyway um
so that was uh tw 800 and it affected me
directly because what the faa came up
with an excuse and you know this is all
richard clark's fault uh you know trying
to blame it on a center tank um
exposed wiring in a in a fuel pump
that's so impossible i cannot even tell
you during the time of this
investigation i was flying lockheed
l-1011 which was a huge cargo airplane
it had a mammoth cargo door and i was
taking boeing 777
cowlings
from wichita where they were made in
boeing to seattle and uh when we'd sit
when we'd wait for this thing to be
loading and we'd talk with the boeing
guys they were just furious
that uh that the faa and the ntsp were
trying to lay this on uh arc
arcing
wiring of a fuel pump because there is
no wiring
in a fuel pump that that's uh that's
that's anywhere near fuel it's just
ridiculous and everybody was pissed off
about the whole thing i was pissed off
because the fa then said
that uh you had to keep enough fuel to
cover the fuel pump um
uh
so that it wouldn't arc because you know
if there's fuel there it can't arc it's
only if there's fumes there well at art
well on the l-1011 we had about
115 000 pounds of cargo capacity and if
we kept the center tank fuel pump
covered we lost about
two or three thousand pounds and that
was the make or break
and it eventually bankrupted kitty hawk
who i was working for
but anyway
but i i want to ask you a question did
you know ben rich
no
but i talked to people who did now i'll
tell you what ben rich had to do with
this first of all do you know where he
was born
ben which was one of the most close what
the
the biggest mossad spy
in the united states i mean he got the
most classified information here's what
happened here's how he got messed up
with israel
in 1947 when israel became a state
um
jim
um
uh i keep saying ann slinger it's not
ann slayer james uh eggleton
was chief of uh c.i.a in right in rome
okay
they sent angleton down to tel aviv
along with some guys mi6 to form assad
and for some reason whoever however it
happened
uh james angleton got allied with
m uh with mossad like this forever he
was the mole if you remember in 1960
he was they had cia
director of foreign intelligence and he
was the guy that always was looking for
the russian mall
he was the russian mall because you know
he was so friends with mossad he'd tell
them assad stuff and assad would pass it
on to russia
so when
david ben-gurion in the summer of
1963 said uh you know
we have to kill kennedy
we have to i'm tired of you
threatening us with uh inspecting demona
it's none of his friggin business
i don't want to hear any more from
kennedy you kill him he gave that he
gave that order to mossad and then
resigned so they even he couldn't be
held responsible for it mossad then
went to angleton
the kennedy assassination was not a cia
job but it was greased by the cia only
because angleton was in there with his
buddies at massage and he's the one that
greased the skids for everything that
happened in delhi plaza and the escape
and everything they were
corsican sharpshooters there hired by
mossad uh they pulled off the whole
thing and everybody said well you know
they think the mob killed kennedy or
maybe johnson did or you know the you
know castro it wasn't it was israel and
the reason they did is because david
ben-gurion didn't want any more
inspections of demona and that's all and
that's their their nuclear that's where
they do their that's where they built
their nuclear bombs with with plutonium
they stole from us
and uh and but what's been rich got to
do with that okay so ben rich was uh
born with a very wealthy jewish family
in the philippines and very highly
educated and he was slipped into
lockheed in 1953 as a uh
as
kelly johnson's uh second in charge
and he was there for the development of
the u2 and he was there for
the development of
stealth
you know that there are a lot of ben
rich famous kind of ufo
quotes that kind of allude to things
that technology
right right yeah there's nothing of that
in that book that book's the inside
story of the development of the youtube
i understand i'm the xr70 but he did say
he he said what's the exact quote you
probably remember it
um
we have stuff that would make uh
lucas jealous
we could take e.t home yeah
yeah so i mean he was he was an insider
from way back
is what you're telling me
right yeah but he was his mom assad's
fine i'm gonna tell you how they did it
okay now so but on some level if he's a
mossad spy because the mossad seems to
be in cahoots with
if you want to call him you know the
nazi nasa nazi group i'm glad you
understand that because when people say
that israel have anything to do with 9
11 i said as much as santa claus had to
do with christmas
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so anyway so yeah they're all working
together if you're telling me angleton
was was involved with massage you're
telling me ben rich is involved with
mossad you know we've got
we've got the whole there's there's a
whole alignment there absolutely
positively beyond a shadow of a doubt so
now we get ready to uh to build the
stealth fighter
and uh what this was the beginning of
the real secret stuff that went on
within our government
uh the navy and uh wanted a uh secret um
stealth fighter of their own it was
called the f-19 and it gets confused
here because people say oh the f-19 that
was really 117 a they just renamed it no
no
f-19 was a separate airplane they made
62 of them i had a friend that not only
worked in avionics but i had a friend
that knew about it he didn't fly it but
he knew the guys he did so it was a
completely separate airplane at the
skunk works in burbank there was a grig
iron
kind of a curtain that went down at the
skunk works and you had the 117a on the
side and the f-19a on this side they
used both f-404s the engines they used
both uh the same landing gear and the
reason was is they were trying to build
this secret navy airplane without any
money
using spare parts from the uh f-117a so
that they keep it absolutely totally
secret and you know what they have to
this day because you can't find a person
and that's one of the big problems i had
on ats people would come down on me i'd
start talking about the f-19 and boy
i'll tell you you talk about a sensitive
subject they didn't want to hear that so
here we have ben rich on page
48 talking about the skunk works and how
it works and he says meanwhile the navy
came to us to test the feasibility for
stealthy weapons system and set up their
own top secret security system that was
twice as stringent as the air force's we
had to install special alarm systems
that cost us a fortune at the section of
our headquarters building devoted to
naval work okay now here's a set up all
they wanted was stealthy systems okay in
the next paragraph he says in the midst
of all this inter-service rivalry
rivalry security and hustle and bustle
major general bobby bonds who was in
charge of tactical or uh warfare came
thundering into the skunk works with
blood in his eye on a boiling september
morning
the santa ana winds were howling and
half of l.a was under a thick ball of
smoke my asthma was uh
acting up and
i was in no mood for a visit but general
bond was a brooder and warrior and drove
me and everybody else absolutely bonkers
at the time as he as he followed the
progress of the f-117a he always thought
he was being shortchanged or victimized
in some way he pounded on my desk and
accused me of having some of my best
workers of his have blue airplane which
was the ones in dna to work on some
rumored navy project
i did my best to look hurt and appeased
bobby
and even raised my right hand in a
solemn oath i told myself so what it's a
little white lie what else can i do the
navy project is top secret and bond has
no need to know we could both go to jail
if i told him what was really up so here
he says unfortunately on the way out to
lunch the general spotted a special lock
and alarm system above an unmarked door
which he knew from prowling the rings of
the pentagon was used only by the navy
on its top secret projects bond squeezed
my arm what's going on inside that door
he demanded to know before i could think
up another lie he commanded me to open
the door he said rich you devious
bastard i'm giving you a direct order
open the god damn door of this incident
or i'll smash it down myself with his
goddamn fire axe the guy meant every
word of it he began pounding on the door
until a crack finally opened he forced
his way and there sat a few startled
navy commanders bobby this isn't what
you think i lied in vain the hell it
isn't you lying sob
i surrendered but not gracefully okay
you got me but before we go to lunch
you're gonna have to sign an inadvertent
disclosure form or we'll both have our
asses the navy of course was outraged at
both of us the air force general seeing
their secret project
was as
as bad as having a blueprint for the
russians
okay so
and that's the f-19 you've got an artist
impression of when we're all over there
isn't it the way
yeah
those artists run around
okay now see this little
thing at the bottom of the page it says
general bond was later killed in a test
flight because of the tragedy the
pentagon ruled that general officers
could no longer do flood test flights
that was in 1984 you know what he was
killed in
the story was a mig-23 which we all knew
was he was killed in an f-19
because he demanded the navy let him fly
it and what they did is to stay disabled
electronically disabled the control
system and killed him and the reason
they did is they didn't want the air
force to know about the navy project and
the reason they didn't want him to know
about the navy project because part of
those airplanes were going to carriers
in part were going to israel and that's
the story of ben rich
are you saying that israel had or has
the f-19 f-19 yeah i mean it's 25 years
old i mean it's a big deal
israel
does santa claus have christmas
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great stuff okay oh i want to ask you
something something else also um
the guy the general who who bush just
fired
or whatever you want to call it admiral
bill fallon i've got a i've got a whole
i've got esquire's story when i heard
that i went right down to esquire i went
right down to the borders and i bought
the thing on broadway word for word
i mean you talk about a good guy you
know yeah absolutely oh absolutely i
made merrily read i said you read that
because that's the difference between
war not war he said if there isn't any
navy good guys he's the navy good guy
now you know he's been a lot involved in
a lot of bad stuff he knows about he
knows about everything but he was trying
to do a good job yeah so that that was
up so that's a real red herring right so
so we're on we're not we're not fast
trained somewhere right now that's bad
news that he quit i mean or is that just
his way oh he wasn't he didn't quit he
was fired wasn't he no he quit
no but i mean
i know the story he probably he probably
knew it was coming
but the fact that he would actually say
this in esquire magazine you know two or
three months before knowing it was going
to be published now you know tells me he
knows we are fast-tracking you know a
new war
in iran and there will be no war there
without nuclear bombs that that's
that's a given and what would mike
mcconnell's position be on this mike
mcconnell i'm sure you know he was mj1 i
think he's a good guy
we've clued him in on her quid m uh
complaint because i think he can help
what he's doing now doesn't make any
sense to the overall program but you
know
i don't know i'm just i'm just hoping
mike is a good guy
what do you think
we believe he's a good guy and it's
interesting well you know
you know about his complete tie-in with
them right oh yeah it's interesting to
speculate that the reason for the
release of the national intelligence
estimate in early december was despite
bush's guns because that's what it looks
like there was an attempt to stop the
war and because of his tie-in with dan i
think he's a good guy yeah right yeah
that's basically what we think because
of what we've heard from dan about him
um
so what i've told the guys in the quid
em complaint jerry lee part is the
attorney
uh morgan reynolds filed it judy wood
filed her own separate suit she's the
one that's the expert in molecular
disassociation dews um
there's a few people participating
including myself and you know i told
these guys when
um
i've been following along morgan's
efforts and in november i called him to
make him aware of certain things i knew
about airplanes that he didn't know
about and he he said are you the
aviation guy and i said yeah and so we
started an email dialogue and then in
december uh he was going to take over
jim fetzer's program for a couple of
days and said would you like to be
interviewed
i said sure so i went on there and then
he found out just how much else i knew
about
9 11 and then
a couple days after that he and jerry
emailed me and they said you know we're
honored at uh what you said we believe
you know you're
very informed would you uh agree to help
us would you be interested in filing an
affidavit and i said yeah tell me what
you want so i wrote that 15 page
affidavit and that's great stuff
and been with him ever since but when i
was getting into it i said now i want
you guys to understand this there is no
way we're going to pull this off by
ourselves all we're doing is opening the
door for somebody to help us there's no
way we can bring this there's just too
much power
overhead i'm hoping that there's guys
like mcconnell and fallon that will see
what they're doing and figure out a way
to help us because we're not gonna do it
ourselves okay do you believe that
america is gonna dissolve into civil war
sometime in the next few years
i don't think so you don't
okay well what do you think i mean what
do you think of the fact that a lot of
stuff a lot of government stuff is being
being sent to colorado
i mean some say or it could be denver is
basically you know that
that i don't know the pentagon
everything else is moving to colorado
i think it's sandia but i think colorado
is a cover story but i could be wrong i
think it's all be sitting right up there
matter of fact let me undo this 20 years
ago
they were having trouble
with keeping
uh programs secret by using secret names
so what they did
is they would name a program a name that
was common like the sandia mountain
sandia corporation
this you know the sandia desert all that
and call this sandia so if it ever came
up everybody's would would think oh
you're just talking about san diego
corporation i'd go by there the other
day you know but but no that's the way
they keep traffic here's the spaceport
on the far side of the moon and i can
just show you a nasa book with a nasa
photograph and you can just take your
own magnifying glass and see that space
there's no doubt about it and you know
why because the photo was taken in 68
and uh nasa didn't get serious about
airbrushing until 1970. so i bought all
those pre-1970 nasa photos
um books because they hadn't uh
developed really have you ever told
hoagland about that yeah as a matter of
fact we were on the george noise show
and george showed him that
and he said
i said now does that look like a uh
space
uh terminal to you
uh richard and he said no it looks like
an airline terminal
well right you can see the
the tubes the tube supports i mean
there's no doubt about it here's the
other thing here's a crater called
demozo
there is no doubt
you know that areas like that those are
all those are all houses buildings stuff
like that i mean there's just no doubt
so anyway the other day i thought you
know i just like to see i've got this
photo that was taken by lick and
so i got the other day and i'm gonna
enlarge it to see if i could
see that
so
i take this
this photo here
and i say okay it's right here here good
cindy and i look
it's all whited out look at here's the
beautiful craters and you look
at that spot are there any craters no it
looks like there's a fog you talking
about something that really pissed me
off
so anyway i'm looking to see uh the show
you saying
yeah thank you
this is my best man
here's las vegas
right here's grim lake
here's the tonified test range right and
here's sandy it's on the paiute mesa
there's a strip up there and then
there's two new strips out on the
on the dry lake there
and then up here they got a really neat
secret base
uh
ely let's see here's
wilson creek
lincoln
coach
oh really right out here dude that's a
dry lake there that's in the middle of
nowhere that's a 10 000 foot strip there
that's a really secret one um you can
drive by at two o'clock in the morning
and every once you'll start you'll see
the the lights going now
uh the way you can tell secret bases
yeah is the runway lights are blue
that's the air force really but but they
really high they've got are they blue
what's that what's the significance of
blue that's just what the air force
secret base run lights are look
so they've got this new deal here that's
been in effect for like 20 years
most of these things are underground and
when a pilot
comes for an approach only when he gets
to be about
500 feet the ground unzips like that
and it just lands and the ground can be
forest it could be a desert it could be
a cotton field it just unzips like that
he lands it zips back up and then take
an elevator and go down
wow
that's
great so that's sandia and that's why
it's called
most people think that
it's just a regular place
so you you haven't had any exposure to
to uh
to time travel to jump rooms to
no i
the jump room is great
and uh
the other day ron blackburn was over
here because he gave my six-year-old
a
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computer
and and i'll have to think about whether
we should edit this out or not but i was
talking about
jump room and ron said oh yeah i know
that jump jump to go technology he said
it just like that all that jump
technology i know that
okay here's the
this is
the space plane
that the guy saw over
ireland
uh
wow ten times bigger than a boeing 747
incredible twin tails slightly visible
engine bay jack black no nozzles so
you've never seen anything like that
have you yeah
uh he saw it at sunset he said sun angle
very low almost setting
viewed at directly seven o'clock
directly above and it took seven seconds
to get to the horizon
he said disappeared over belfast out of
uh
sunlight
a white small nose
and no vapor trail no sonic boom
uh demarcation of body sections visible
all dark gray
i had some correspondence with this guy
we did just yeah just uh just a couple
of months back and
we figured things out together the thing
must have been going 18 000 miles per
hour mile johnson
yeah that's correct
these are his original drawings
but when he first called me he said
would you have any interest in this i
said of course miles
defended defended
i put him in touch with mark mccandlish
so that mark the candidate could make a
real professional
thing and so the two have been working
together so that mark can add it to his
file
and uh so those two have been having a
lot of if i had one plant i could go to
i'd pick santa because they say
that that if you even got a look at it
your mind would be so boggled that you
can couldn't do anything for three days
i found a thread called
um
our extraterrestrial's real as real as
the nose on your face
and uh it was 108 pages long and it had
been it had been closed
and had been closed because the guy
sleeper
had
been getting irritated with the
questions
so i started reading this thing and
about page 18 i said
this is real this guy knows what he's
talking about
this fits in with everything i've ever
read i need to talk to this guy
so
i finished the uh 118 pages and i put
them in that book over there that says
sleeper
and
i i emailed him pm to him
and eventually got to talking with him
and it was so fascinating i said would
you be would you like to come would you
mind coming back i mean people got to
hear this stuff and he said no no i i'll
come back and i said okay now just let
me run interference for you don't talk
back to anybody let me do it so i went
to mark allen and i said i'd like to see
if we could get sleeper back he said
well you better behave himself i said
okay he'll be paying himself and that
started the uh i'm coming clean on
extraterrestrials and ran 250 pages he
had the most views the most
posts of any other thing it was i mean
it was just an enjoyable everybody would
get up every day to see what the the
question you know the answers were the
some of the questions
stuff up there still
is this stuff still up there yeah i
believe so
and uh he and uh
you know people
it eventually got
very few insults of course you know
you're always getting the guy that came
comes on and says this looks like a
little horse pucky to me you know and
i'd handle it i'd always get on there
first thing in the morning and handle
the guys and so sleeper wouldn't have to
do it it was great up until the very end
i mean even at the very end it was it
was it was wonderful and we had a lot of
fun with it
and then along with that he wrote a blog
called um
what it's like to spend a day with an
extraterrestrial and it's the most
fascinating
space story you've ever read and he says
at the beginning he said
i forget what exactly what he says he
says um
this is written as a screenplay but
believe it or not
every word of it is true and it's about
going to uranus and the people who live
on uranus and what the buildings look
like it's absolutely fascinating so
i think sleeper is 110
genuine
and you know if it proves he's not i'll
be shocked beyond all possibly because
you know everything he says
is dead on and
you know when i talk about
you know and he's taught me a lot of
stuff because you know when in the last
few years and people ask me well what's
it all about well i don't know maybe the
graves are selling our souls or you know
doing the harvesting us you know i was
wrong you know they're here to do a job
and sleeper is the one that that told us
and he puts us all throughout he says
just try and live your life without hate
and greed love your family he says
that's the only way you're going to move
on and you have to keep coming back to
earth you know and doing this until you
learn how to do it right when you learn
how to do it right then you get to go
out and play with the adults
so
sleeper's the one that uh you know and
when i started talking it's really
interesting to see the gentle
transformation because you know in the
beginning he says um
people would say is john lear right are
the is there cities out people on the
moon and free says no no there's nobody
up there and at the end
um
he said
uh yeah john lear's right there are
cities and people on them it was really
neat transformation it took a while to
do for him to come out but it was really
cool
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