how long do you think it's going to be
before they make the uh
announcement that we've had contact with
the outer space in the culford what
never you don't think so no
i used to think so i used to think they
were getting as prepared but uh
i have no doubt now that they never
intended to
and i fully agree with them now five six
seven years ago you know i was going on
a lecture hey you gotta listen to this
you gotta see what's going on
now i know they were right i mean
mankind is not and will never be ready
for this kind of information sure it's
interesting for you and me and and uh
you know very small segment of society
and uh it's it's tremendously
interesting but no way should the public
ever be told about this
what do you think would happen if they
were
it would probably cause
uh
problems that the governments of the
world are not equipped to handle the
basic issue is religion
john how many uh world records do you
hold 17 17 17. they've all been broken
mostly broken because the
of the uh
of the new airplanes that have come out
yeah
i'm hearing rumors at area 51 that there
are
well there's at least one live alien
living there there definitely is one
blind alien uh regardless
of what bob says today
we're talking about bob lazar um
during december in january uh december
of 1988 january of 1989 when he was
working out there he sat right in that
chair
whenever he'd come back from the test
site and he'd tell me what he saw and
i'll never forget the january 1989
i was sitting at that desk writing out
checks and he comes in
and he said john
you will never know what it's like to
see your first alien
could you relate the uh the
the
you know the times you went up there
with the lazar looking for uh
for craft yourself
we went up
uh
twice the first time
was not
the first time he knew it was going to
fly he knew he was going to fly just
after sunset and that was march 22nd
1989
and we drove up there with gene huff and
we had my motor home
and uh we pulled in just as it was
getting dark and i was setting up the
celestron scope
and
they were outside looking they said here
it comes and you can see this real
bright light
coming up from behind the um
the range
so i got the celestron scope hooked up
and got it focused in
and i had you know like maybe about
15-20 seconds
i don't have the scope here but it's
eight inches and it's a huge scope and
it the disc you know pretty much filled
um the field of view and it was tilted
like about 30 degrees
it was kind of yellow orange and it was
kind of diffusing
and i just saw it just as it started to
go back down you know
and we waited a couple um
a couple hours that night and didn't see
it again
the next wednesday night was march 29th
and i was on a flight with american
trans air stuck in minneapolis
and that's the night i phoned bob
and said what's going on he said we're
going fishing and
i thought oh neat and that was his code
word for going up to groom lake well
several weeks later when they took him
up to indian springs and with a gun
pointed in his head they said oh that
comment about going fishing boy it sure
took us a long time to figure that out
they were pretty sarcastic over it you
know they were taking uh taping both our
phones here
uh anyway uh that was the night that
they got the film of the saucers
stitching its way across the uh the sky
the night sky that
that uh george knapp and a few others
used uh incidentally the first night we
were so excited that
the video camera stayed right on the
bumper of the motorhome it didn't get
pointed at it i don't know why that
happens but it does anyway the third
night was april 6 1989
and that's when gene and me and bob
bob's wife and his wife's sister
went up there we wanted a car because
i've blown the transmission on the
motorhome and bob just had a two-place
uh z
280z
and i had just my truck so we ran rented
a car to go up there there was no
mystery about that which people make a
big deal about but we just had no other
way to get up there
we drove in we had in the back geiger
counters film cameras videos
everything
and as we drove down green lake road at
that time we thought that the legal
cutoff
was that road that comes down from
mailbox road
and so when we got there i said look
let's just stay here and you know even
if we get a mile closer it's not going
to make that much difference in the film
and they said no no let's go on so we
went another couple hundred feet and we
had the lights out
and i was leaning out the window uh
telling them to go left and right
uh we stopped
and a
couple sets of headlights in here
we as we stopped a couple sets of
headlights
came on in front of the vehicle and we
decided to run because i thought we were
in illegal territory as it turns out we
weren't and we could have all avoided a
lot of trouble bob never would have lost
his job and i never would have lost mine
if we'd just you know sat there and let
him walk up to us but the fact is uh
we thought we were in illegal territory
we turned around we started going 90
miles an hour down the road with them in
hot pursuit uh we almost made it to the
highway but they had sent another bronco
around and cut us off and when we saw
him coming down the road we stopped bob
ran out in the desert i jumped out and
started setting up the telescope and
that's when the first bronco came to
halt
and i ran up and threw my hands against
the
the uh top of the car and i said you
know holy smokes you guys aren't dopers
are you you scared the hell out of us
out here
and they get out and they all uh were
armed machine guns they stand right
there was like four or five of them they
stood at port arms around us
and the one guy said what are you guys
doing up here and we said we're just
looking at the stars he said well why
did you run and i said like i said
we thought you were dopers and you said
well we're not
we needed to see some identification and
we showed him some uh we had to give him
our social security and and the driver's
license and he ran it and all this
process took about 30 minutes
and
he said we can't kick you off the range
here because this blm land he said uh
but we'll make it awful uncomfortable if
you stay here
so they turn around left
we stood behind the car waiting for
about 15 minutes and then bob comes out
of the desert and we start talking about
all the stuff that we've done the you
know the the uh three weeks before the
two weeks before
all the stuff that we had done that
night all the preparation everything not
realizing that all the time they had
just gone about maybe a hundred meters
down the road
and were filming us in infrared and
uh
listening to us with a parabolic
microphone all of which was readily made
readily apparent to bob the next day
when he was taken up to security
but anyway we had no idea what was going
on even though there were several real
good clues and one was one of the guys
down there dropped a
a scope and we not only heard but we saw
it we saw a cigarette but nobody ever
decided you know
i don't even know why we didn't go down
investigate but the fact is we didn't
so anyway we packed up our stuff and
went out on the road and as we got to
the highway we're stocked by the uh
lincoln county sheriff doug lamarrelle
who has since become a good friend
um and he kept us there for an hour uh
he wanted to see in the trunk but we
wouldn't let him in there
uh
mainly because that was where the gun
was that bob had taken out in the desert
but anyway it seems that lamaro needed
knew exactly what was going on he wanted
to know why there was five people in the
vehicle now and only four on the test
site and he wanted to know where the gun
was so obviously there was communication
between the
security forces on the test site and and
the sheriff
anyway we stood there for an hour nobody
said anything and
finally
to bring this all to
a halt bob decided to confess that it
was his gun
and it was in the trunk and i saw him
walking to go ahead and do it and at
that split second
doug said okay look here's what we're
going to do i've been advised to release
you guys but we don't want to ever see
you here again ever
and he let us go and it was a real quiet
ride home that night
and uh the next day bob's
boss dennis mariana
uh
called him up and said uh bob i'm gonna
pick you up uh don't go to the airplane
i mean you don't go to the egg he picked
him up he drove him up to indian springs
which is this site of the uh
uh entire security for the test site and
they actually pulled him out of the car
with a gun in his head
and a gun in his ear and um
said bob
when we gave you the security clearance
and told you this was a secret it didn't
mean you could tell all your friends
about the flying saucers
now do you want to work with this or not
and uh
he was non-committal
and
for the next few days uh he was making
up his mind i think the reason he
decided not to continue working up there
was the fact that the last two trips
that he made up to groom lake he can
remember
flying up and flying back but he
couldn't remember what they did and the
mind control program that they have for
the people that are involved up there in
very very classified programs
is disconcerting uh
you can
remember everything you have to when
you're up there at work and everything
but when you come back you can't
remember anything all you can remember
is getting in the airplane and coming
back and that was real disconcerting to
bob who has an iq of uh way over two in
the tunnels uh that are going from
the groom lake facility he goes out
across and underneath the ticavoo valley
as i understand it it's they're 70 feet
across
i don't know too much about the tunnels
but we did find a new base out there
it was kind of interesting
uh i heard about it
in 1983-84 a friend of mine was in
construction
and he was up there working on ttr 25
test range
and i was pumping him and i said hey
anything else going on up there he says
yeah as a matter of fact there is he
said
over on another range they're building
something
then i talked to a guy who
drove a fuel truck up there and he said
yeah he said
he said once i was uh delivering fuel up
to ttr and he said well we come in at
gold read he said i had to wait for
something like an hour
for a procession of cement trucks going
by
he said it was just unbelievable how
many cement trucks here
and uh the facility is called sandia and
i'll show you where it is it's in paiute
mesa and they started in 1980 and they
finished in 1987.
um we did a little story down here on
channel 3 about it
and a guy called in after the newscast
and said yes i yeah i'm from
uh originally from el paso and i was
hired to work on sandia and he said yes
we started in 1980 finished 1987 it's
totally underground
there's you can't see anything above
ground and believe me i've tried even
though the closest point you can get to
it on the you're going to show me the
picture or where it runs the location of
it yeah
um
the closest you can get to it is 25
miles and uh it's a long ways the guys
that fly into it
say that uh when you land there and i'm
talking about egmg special projects you
know they take the passengers in and out
they they say you can't see the runway
until the last second
and then they land they're not allowed
to ever get out of the airplane like a
room like they can go in the cafeteria
at this place they have to sit in the
cockpit they're not allowed to get out
and when the passengers get out he said
they just go behind a little knoll and
disappear not sure there's stairways or
whatever but
there's nothing you can't see anything
up there it's it's really
it's very well hidden
and during the gulf war a friend of mine
talked about i think this technology of
hiding runways came about in 1980
because
i heard about it then but i didn't have
any examples during the gulf war
during the gulf war i worked for a cargo
company that took um
that did a lot of uh
flying into the gulf and although this
didn't happen to me it happened to a
friend of mine where
he got down to uh cairo
and uh got just south of cairo about a
hundred miles
and got uh vectored by the american
earwax for delivery of what was in the
airplane and it was at night and
they couldn't see anything and he was
told when to put his flaps down when to
put his gear down and at 500 feet
lights came on and he landed there they
unloaded
uh took off and went on his way
since we navigate by inertial
guidance he knew exactly where he was
and he had occasion like a week later to
come over the same spot and there was it
was just the middle of desert there
wasn't a trace of anything now so they
have really good capability finding
runways now
people think groom lake is you know it's
a one of a kind
uh facility and it is a very big secret
facility but like in 1980 there was 30
other
what they call a axos
aircraft uh access only you can't drive
in it
you know 1980 there was 30. so today
there will be more there may be more
there may be less
las vegas
this highway uh 95 this is 93.
this is mercury
this is baity
these are the places where i was trying
to hike up to they were the closest to
the border that you could legally come
to san diego here's sandia when they
built it they put this extra little
secure
security range around here there's
absolutely no indication that anything
is there except
an enormous power line going right into
the air and it just stops now coming
from where it's coming from
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down here
maybe down as far as here this whole
areas uh
uh nrda where they uh
originally built the uh the nuclear
rocket
all that facility was there this is the
fame yucca mountain where they want to
store
stop this is green lake that's the new
strip there
ttr is up there
the orientation of the runway is there
on december 23rd
i was flying a mail contract uh in a
dc-8
and uh
i came by this way just to the north of
here going into oakland
and um
uh i tuned in dreamland 120.35 as a
matter of fact if you want to listen to
them going in and out i can put it on
the scanner because i got a big antenna
that goes here
so it was about 5 30 in afternoon real
cloudy real dark and everything so i
just turned on 120 35
and said dreamland dreamland john lee
and bob lazar wish you a merry christmas
and you know that nobody answered me
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frankenstein factories where they
create alien looking
there's no question about it i had a
friend that worked up at the test site
who
uh went to work in the 80s
the the early 80s late 70s and earlier
over in saudi arabia for
one of the major contractors over there
solemn bin laden
and he had
a lot of strange things happen he came
back you know and before i got into this
in in uh seven years ago
i was relatively straight i mean i you
know did my stint for the cia i believed
in you know god the amplified
chevrolet and you know flying sausage to
me where i mean just you couldn't even
uh
mention it you know i wasn't interested
then so
we sat down in the early 80s
uh at the
my house over on the other side of town
and we're guys you know what's going on
and i know and there was kind of law in
the conversation he says
um
john what do you know about
um
i can't think of the word
we were talking about genetic
engineering
what is it when they create a a human
clone
yeah he's a phony he says uh
john what do you know about cloning and
i said
nothing
i mean this was so far out to me and he
said
just let me tell you it's all real and
it's all happening and this is from
cecil mcmanes a guy who's so down to
earth who worked on the sr-71 who did a
lot of stuff you know
and he would never ever come out with
something so unusual so they have
frankenstein but that's the missing kids
the milk carton kids
you know i used to talk a lot about that
and
there was a lot of
kids that were missing in like 83 80 45
and it's my understanding that
uh the fbi discontinued
um annual reports of missing people
because there was a million that were
they were missing and then actually
about 80 or 90 000
that just simply disappeared i mean they
didn't wind up as prostitutes on
hollywood boulevard or
in the sex slaves or in some shallow
grave
it's 80 or 90 000 that just simply
disappeared yeah
we have both seen the film
that was taken out of the dulce facility
why would somebody
uh make pictures like this showing the
creation of some sort of alien being and
this is a facility this is a facility
that's
run by the united states of government
i'm with your tax monies yeah i've
heard
hamilton talk about uh
the dulce facility and i've also heard
about you know genetic engineering
programs at area 51. yeah there's no
question that dolce exists um you know i
was the one that they kind of led the
research on that uh i was at a meeting
in creston colorado and tom adams handed
me a letter
uh from a lady who lives in las vegas
and she was the one that tipped us off
that this thing exists
existed so i talked to her and um
she knew the location
of uh some photos and videotape that had
been taken inside dulce
uh by a guard who escaped during what
what they call the dulce wars of 1979.
he used to contact her every six months
and he said if
i ever miss contacts two in a row for a
year
you can go after this box which they had
hidden
somewhere in nevada that contained
uh six minutes of videotape 25 black and
white photos and some other
documentation about what went on in
dulce
uh about two years ago
he did turn up missing he never we've
never heard from
and i think there was like 12 or 13
attempts after the box but it had been
hidden uh
maybe at least 10 years ago on the
terrain and the in the foliage and
everything changed i don't think they
ever got it out he said in level five
he'd walk on by and people would be in
cages and screaming and begging for for
help and he was told i heard that to
walk straight on through and not look or
pay attention yeah these people are all
mad i heard that and then
from another source
air force engineering source i heard
that that when he went there they
referred to it as section d
um
and then
bob
heard it referred to when he was up at
the test site uh just once and somebody
said uh mentions something about being
shipped adults but that's the only
reference you ever heard to it
and i call these uh the guys are working
in the facility as igors uh
the invisible government's obedient
robotons but it really is a frankenstein
factory
i'm hearing rumors at area 51 that there
are
well there's at least one live alien
living there there definitely is one
live alien uh regardless
of what bob says today
we're talking about bob lazar um
during december and january uh december
of 1988 january of 1989 when he was
working out there he sat right in that
chair
uh whenever he'd come back from the test
site and he'd tell me what he saw and
i'll never forget the january in 1989
i was sitting at that desk writing out
checks and he comes in and
he's a little fidgety and after the
first night that he got back from the
test site we never discussed anything in
this room because they seemed to know
everything that was going on
so
he came in sat down and he looked
fidgety and he kind of went you know
let's go so we went out in the back
there's a stable back there a little
alley back there i remember
that i was you know thought he had
something really neat to tell so i
didn't grab my coat i was in a short
sleeve and we went out there and
remember it was bitter cold the wind was
blowing and we stood in the alley and i
said what what what and he said john
you will never know what it's like to
see your first alien i said god neat
why'd you see it and he described the
circumstances of walking down this
hallway being led by two guards and
having coming up going down the hallway
and looking through this window as a
matter of fact i have the original
drawing that he drew this scene and he
said it was a maybe a 12 by 12 window
and it had wires running through and he
looked through it
and there was two scientists facing him
and white lab coats and the little gray
talking to them i said could it have
been a doll could have been image he
said no john
it was an alien
and uh it was just really he said walked
down once and then when he came back he
looked in and they weren't there
but and today you ask bob about that he
says well that's what john says you know
but i really don't remember myself but i
i remember the night it happened and i
remember going out and
him being preached he had a picture
yeah i was trying a little drawing that
he made of
what it looked like looking through the
window see this thing here this is the
piece of paper that he drew that bob
drew that man
first of all he drawed how the hangers
were 360 feet yeah it's 46 bays
um
this was the corridor this was the
window and those were the two scientists
and the little gray the sinus are facing
us the gray is going that way and that's
what he saw through that window and he's
very meticulous showing you know where
and under what circumstances he saw it
uh this is the drawing of how the
hangers fit up against the mountainside
so this uh this is the gray here
right there yeah yeah these are the two
sinus and that's the window he looked
through there oh i see you know in 1962
kennedy
um ordered the um what became known as
the uh
the report on uh iron mountain and what
he was interested in was
finding out if there's anything other
than war
that could stimulate the economy to the
extent more could we've always had a
water stimulate the economy
always had one in recent years we had
vietnam and then sodom hussein which was
all manufactured i mean i flew an
airline for an airline we used to take
the troops
american troops in there green berets to
train sodom for the two or three years
before that war you know but they create
the crisis they create the crisis so
uh
the report from iron mountain said
really that there was nothing that would
stimulate uh the economy as well as war
and they had considered
medical research space research
uh they said that there was one thing
that would stimulate it and that was
a threat
from an extraterrestrial
species
real or imagined
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