hello this is mike howzager the producer
of the phil schneider cd and i have with
me today
mr al bilik
i asked mr albile to come on and say a
few words about
his experience and his relationship with
phil schneider he knew him very well and
in fact he knew him
several years prior to his death in 1996
i believe it was
so i asked him to come on and just share
with us share with you
perhaps some of the private
conversations that he had with phil
because there were many times they spent
i guess at a conference a hotel room
together
they had a lot of conversations together
they were close personal friends all the
way up toward the end
and with that
al
thanks for being here today oh thank you
hopefully i can contribute something to
the
what is sometimes called the mystery of
phil schneider
i don't think his life
as such was any mystery
but
prior to the point when he went public
perhaps it was because he worked for the
government in one capacity or another
for many years
uh
it was both of the skunk works and
what was called the skunk works in
burbank california he was at edwards air
force base he worked all over the
country and eventually all over the
world on underground bases
told me many stories regarding those
because his involvement of the dulce
wars as they were sometimes called
against the aliens he was one of the
very few survivors and the one which was
so disastrous
all of these things of course i did not
know about him
in fact never heard of him until
sometime in early 93 as i remember when
i was at a conference
doing a lecture course in the
philadelphia experiment in seattle
he showed up
introduced himself and says i would like
to talk with you says my father oscar
schneider was part of the philadelphia
experiment well of course my ears perked
up
and over the course of time
he told me
some things about his father at that
point i believe his father was still
alive was shortly after i met him that
his father died of cancer
but he had his father had been basically
a captain in the united states navy
medical corps and was the chief medical
officer for the philadelphia experiment
and other things afterwards
now didn't his father that's oscar
schneider
tell him phil this information just
before he died
yes
he knew that he was involved in the
philadelphia experiment that was an open
discussion
uh well before he died well before but
what was not open discussion until two
weeks prior to his death
when he uh oscar knew he was dying of
cancer and was i guess irreversible at
that point
he called phil into his bedside
and uh
says phil i want you to know the my real
history and says i've always told you
i was born in the us of jewish parentage
and such i said that's not true
since i was born in germany
many years ago
uh the exact date i don't recall
but during the period when hitler was in
power there's one he grew oscar grew up
he was a master machinist and i'm
quoting what phil told me his father was
a master machinist at the age of 14
which was quite an accomplishment in
germany then and eventually enlisted in
the navy
and became a captain and captain of a
u-boat
according to
what i was told oscar schneider
had something like 68 successful kills
that is sinking
in english or french shipping during the
early part of world war ii was in the
united states was not involved until
after december 7 41
and he was captured at some point along
the line
by the french
he was taken in custody he was held
there in france and leaked i think he
said late 39 early 40.
sometime in that period i'm not quite
sure of the days but it was in that
period around the early 1940
and some negotiations took place
and at some point
the third army of the united states was
involved
but now of course we had some troops
over there
he was turned over to the american
troops and returned brought back to the
united states
and suddenly given the same rank in the
united states navies it had in the
german navy that of a captain
and of course he
was a medical officer now phil asked the
same question i did if he was a u-boat
captain and he comes the united states
navy how could he suddenly become a
medical officer well another statement
you said al i see is odd
did he tell his son
that he was jewish
prior to the true story he was not
jewish so phil thought he was jewish yes
but he was really german he was really
german okay so that was the cover right
he was actually born about 1905 i
remember correctly
and uh
the official navy record which i have
seen
says that he was born in 1905 in
some little town called cisco california
went through university at berkeley
university california berkeley for his
pre-med this bill this is for oscar
schneider this is the official version
i'm talking about for the navy which i
have a copy of somewheres
and when he finished his uh pre-med he
went to harvard for his medical as
internship and then joined the navy and
worked his way up through the ranks as a
medical officer that's the official
version
the unofficial version and the facts
are
quite different
now how phil schneider
uh phil schneider of course had no
choice but to accept the word of his
father but how phil schneider thought
about this i don't really know except he
questioned it just as much as i did
how could a man who had been in the
german navy for a number of years
as a captain going around as a u-boat
captain sinking allied shipping
suddenly become a medical doctor
it had to be a cover
which the navy made up the whole story
of his original being born in the us and
going through all the medical schools
here what do you think gal that his br
being brought over here to the united
states was part of operation paperclip
oh it was long before paperclip
paperclip was 1946. he was brought over
the united states and sometime and i
believe late 41.
and
did he say why he was brought over or
why he came over
to become part of the philadelphia
experiment was the information i have
and the information which i believe phil
had he was put into that immediately
now one has to ask a question why
having read some of the private papers
of oscar schneider
all i can say is for an md
to
run off the mathematical equations i
have seen
and references to time travel and
equations for time travel
i knew the reason why the united states
government wanted him he apparently was
involved somewheres and i have to say
this as an assumption
he was apparently involved some ways in
the background of the german research on
time travel and time research because
they had a program going also as we did
and our program of course was heavily
concealed and a very high security
starting in 1936
but the germans allegedly had a
successful time travel system
functioning before world war ii was over
and it would appear that oscar schneider
had knowledge of this
and because of his knowledge of this was
assigned to our project namely the
philadelphia experiment
now the philadelphia experiment was not
truly a case for time travel it was a
case for using
manipulations of time in the time field
to create invisibility but there was a
relationship that's my
data my assumption and what i have been
able to put together on why they wanted
oscar schneider in the us
because otherwise why would you take a
naval commander from germany who had
sunk all kinds of ships including maybe
your own
at this point i don't believe you had
sunk in a u.s ship but allied shipping
and suddenly put him in the united
states navy at the same rank he had held
in the german navy well did oscar ever
share that with phil as far as the
reasoning that he was brought over
i don't know whether he really did or
not i discussed this with phil quite a
lot
and phil
did not give me all of the background
that he knew about his father
except this aspect
there might have been a connection
between oscar schneider coming to the
united states and my father my real
father read as edward cameron my father
was a alexander duncan cameron senior
who was involved in uh government
intelligence from the time he left the
navy in 1929
through the period of 46 when he was
heavily involved in operation paperclip
he brought a lot of german scientists
into the us
i certainly don't know who they all were
could he possibly have had a connection
with oscar schneider so i think it's
possible okay so in your conversations
with phil did he
say anything else
about this you know his dad in the
philadelphia experiment specifically to
you do you say the only other things
that were came out specifically was that
phil's father and my father were very
close friends okay and they used to go
on fishing trips together out of
sarasota florida this is of course after
the war was over
but
i just i can make an assumption here
without really knowing the facts that
they might have known each other before
oscar schneider came to the u.s
that is a possibility okay so so that
was the link i guess that was the reason
why phil schneider came to you in the
first place he came to me in the first
place because he knew that i was
involved in the philadelphia experiment
he knew his father was involved and he
wanted to close and he wanted to tell me
about it and discuss various things so
from that point did you two become close
friends yes we did immediately
we became uh casual friends at first
and as time went on
i kept talking with him i says phil with
what you know about various things in
the background plus uh
the philadelphia experiment and what you
say you had been involved with in
building underground bases
and uh
traveling in the underground and
building the underground tube
transportation system
why aren't you out talking about this
publicly he says you're not involved in
this and the navy anymore you're not in
the service you're not working for the
government so he was was he retired he
was retired
he actually was retired in the sense
that he retired himself he was not
formally retired he walked out on the
government he walked out on the needle
position
and the reasons for that he gave me is
very specifically
and
uh
in terms of the background of phil this
might prove very interesting
phil in his own way worked his way up
through the ranks as a geologist and
became involved with building
underground bases
and the tower tube system for the
underground transportation system
and eventually graduated into a nato
position
it was all over the world and he knew
how many underground bases were built in
the us as well as worldwide he used to
tell me 131 in the us and about 1400
worldwide
of the type we described which was one
to three miles underground
uh anywheres from uh one half to three
cubic miles of earth were removed by
nuclear detonation
and to create this
huge cavern because earth is on the rock
is porous and if you choose the right
earth
uh materials the right rock material
which he was an expert at you had to use
certain types of rock material to build
the underground base you just forgot it
it had to be certain layered rocks
certain structures which i'm not
familiar with but he was
and you'd build these underground
there was all over the world
they've been built by other nations also
and
part of this led into his nato
operations
but the thing where he left it was most
interesting
he was online
for
and he said two and a half three years
retirement for nato formal retirement
with uh his salary at that time and nato
had gone up to something like half a
million bucks a year
this is a salary
and his retirement
was slated to be one million per year
retirement he was an extremely important
person a very high level
had high level clearances
but he said what changed his mind and he
decided to walk out on everything
was the fact that he was invited to
attend some u.n meetings the very
classified ones which were not held in
new york at the u.n terminal in the un
buildings
but in a deep underground military base
they said there was a facility which had
all of the layout exactly like they have
in the u.n headquarters in new york
underground in the space you never told
me where it was
but there was an extra row of chairs or
a ring table and a row of chairs above
the rest which was not extent in the
usual settings for the u.n for the
meetings
everybody would go in there including
was that spectators were there himself
and some other uh people
everybody would sit down and be waiting
and then
the final group came in
would sit at this tougher upper tier of
chairs
they were all tall greys
extraterrestrials seven footers like the
ones he shot in dulce i don't know if he
ever shot a seven footer uh he didn't
tell me particularly whether it's a
seven footer or not but he said the ones
that came in on the un meeting were the
seven footers
and they dictated policy to the united
nations
he attended not one but two meetings of
this type and he says after the second
meeting he says i am working for the
wrong people had a conference that day
with some of his nato friends in the
nato uh department of geology i believe
is what he called it there's a whole
group of about 40 of them
they all decided they wanted no more of
any part of it i walked out on
retirement salaries everything all 40
walked out the same day
and wiped out the nato's department of
geology
and he retired he went back to portland
oregon he was living alone in his own
apartment i had an ex-wife and a
daughter about eight years old i met at
that time she's a little older than that
now
and
sort of uh ruminated within himself
talked occasionally before one group in
oregon which was the western bigfoot
society
nice voters of him talking before that
and there is one article published on
the net about it
they used to talk about some of the
things he knew at this bigfoot society
group but he never went totally public
this was a private group it was not a
really public group
i kept insisting
with what you know phil you should go
public with this and said it's in the
interest of the public they should know
some of these things i said i'm not
telling you should say everything you
know but
certainly about the underground basis in
operations and so forth
so i finally got him out on the lecture
circuit after
we talked about this quite a bit
the first attempt
at a lecture which was
successful so far as the lecture was
concerned but uh
in terms of videotaping it was a failure
and that was in 7th
of may
1995
in uh las vegas nevada was that his
first lecture that was the first one
public
of this nature it's not the first
lecture we ever did yeah because he
mentions that he did like 30 or 40
lectures he did a total that year of
about 30 or 40.
he made some prior to that again with
the bigfoot society and the small groups
in the portland area
this was in las vegas on 7th of may the
next day we were slated the 8th of may
to talk
so up in the uh qwerty lane area of
idaho so what was it 94 that he decided
to go public
it was uh early 95. i kept twitching 95.
i kept twisting his arm when he finally
decided all right we'll try it
the first one that was recorded
successfully was the one outside of
court elena i think was post falls idaho
i was in the eighth of may then there
was the august one in denver at the uh
uh dean stonies
conference global sciences and he did a
workshop for about two hours
september for the preparedness show in
seattle november another preparedness
show
and not seattle was elsewhere i think
denver
and uh
that was the last of the public series
which were recorded in between this of
course he had many other lectures
he knew a great deal about the kobe
japan uh
earthquake which is what it was formerly
called oh and many others too
yeah but he knew a great deal about
those he knew a great deal about the
earth faults
excuse me he used to tell me about them
the earth falls earth falls all over the
u.s you know all of us false yeah the
fault lines the denver was
relatively safe but he said if you go
west into some of these so-called
secluded areas for survival this is
they've got fault lines running right
through them he says the first ridge of
the great rocky mountains as an example
is loaded with fault lines
it says you don't want to be there so
you go further west and the second
bridge says you're okay he knew all the
geological layouts and where the
problems were and such
but he was invited to go to japan
to speak over there
the state department refused to let him
go they says you're not going he says we
know you have a passport but you're not
going to japan
we will not we will not allow it
oh because he wanted to talk about the
kobe he wanted to talk about the kobe
earthquake and a few other things and
they wanted to find out and they wanted
to find out the facts of what he might
know
so they arranged that since he's now
long gone it doesn't make any difference
he arranged it very neatly the japanese
says we'll pick you up out of vancouver
bc says we fly our own jet over says you
drive up so you can drive across the
border with no problem of course you can
unless there was a strict order at the
border that is not to go which there
wasn't
you could just as a tourist drive across
the border into canada on a driver's
license you didn't have to show a
passport so we did that
and you met them at the particular
airport in vancouver area and they flew
them over to japan in their private jet
they was there three days lecturing on
the kobe earthquake and who knows what
else when you say they who were that
they
they were the top executives of major
japanese corporations mitsubishi is one
example i remember he mentioned
mitsubishi
and some of the others i don't remember
all the names so they must have given
him quite a bit of credibility well they
did give him a great deal of credibility
was there any retribution that the
japanese enacted as a result no there's
no uh retribution on the japanese by the
japanese by the japanese yeah i know
because obviously what what phil's
saying is that
we blew off an atomic bomb that caused
the earthquake right that's exactly
correct no there was a tactical nuke in
the harbor which was planted by as he
said navy seals
and it
followed a long argument between the
united states government and japan over
the fact that japan was the world's
leader in synthetic intelligence
computer technology and all of it's
centered and all of it centered in kobe
right so
what happened with the executives uh
that's an unknown
to me anyway yeah uh kobe was leveled
and particularly the building which
contained most of the research for this
was leveled and
uh
he told me that 70 percent of the
japanese scientists working on synthetic
intelligence computer systems were
living in cool bay and were working on
that project there and it was leveled
and that put them out of business and
the us government uh
probably uh whatever elements in the
government it cannot accuse the whole
government it's certain sections within
it
i
probably felt satisfied there was no
repercussions that i know of
but at the same time
those executives learned what their what
phil had to say regarding the facts of
what happened and what may have happened
after that i have no idea okay and about
what day again was this what was the
date when he was actually flown to japan
was it 94 95 it was in 95
after he had grown public and i would
say it was
in the four months but i'm not sure of
the dates okay because phil died
uh murder by suicide if you will
uh on about the 10th of february of 1996
right it was just before he was going to
go to the global sciences congress in
florida for that point of congress
well let's go back before we get into
his death right hey
you you again had a lot of
contact with phil
and didn't you spend
we spent a lot of time with him going
around and lecturing particularly that
period when we were in uh
cody lane in the hotel there is
sponsored by a woman who is now dead she
brought a lot of people in
lecturing all over but didn't you share
a hotel room with him
did he did he
share any other information yes he did
with you besides what we are going to
see on the cd on the videotapes he
mentioned area 51
and uh
a very interesting incident that
occurred out there he had business
during the time he's working for the
government to go out to area 51
periodically and see some particular
officer and they i think he said the air
force i'm not positive now
uh rather high rank on business related
to what he was doing
and in this one particular day he said
when he went out there he went in
and uh
he went into the outer office and uh
marine uh guard there says uh
mr so-and-so is not ready to see you
right now please have a seat in this
office
oh and by the way um
just keep your eyes straight ahead don't
look from side to side and when he's
ready he'll call him because it's all
out to phil and he's going to have other
ideas what is it they don't want me to
see
so he
let his eyes wander and he saw a window
probably one of those slanting windows
where he could see through
partially it was a dark colored glass
you could see through partially and see
that there was
somebody behind that glass
eventually he got to uh
talk with the person he was to meet and
talk with
uh what his business was and so on and
took care of that and then he asked the
guy
says uh there's a uh smoke glass window
out there in the other side of your
office uh
what's this all about
i said so that's one of our guests this
is one of your guests what do you mean
it says one of the guests of the
government
and what do you mean guess the
government he says oh that's one of the
aliens we keep around
aliens
yes uh
what do you mean
he says well we have a few guests you
know from the ufos that have come down
so forth and said we got a reptilian in
there since we've had him here for
months we've been trying to get him to
talk
we can't he said he won't talk with
anyone
so phil looks at the officer he says why
don't you let me try
the guy looks at phil and says you
this is what makes you think he'll talk
with you he says i don't know why don't
you give it a try says well everybody
else has failed why not
so he was prepared for this he said you
this is a special room it's got special
atmospheric mixture for him and a
temperature of 123 degrees f you have to
go in and suit an air-conditioned suit
and so forth and you have microphones
and speaking all of the appropriate
prayer and
you're saying the reptilians can't live
in this atmosphere oh they can but this
guy was being kept in the atmosphere
what was more normal to what he was
experiencing would normally experience
it kept him in the atmosphere which was
essentially the same as his home
atmosphere and where was his home yeah
it was not mentioned to me okay
so phil went in there and i said uh he
was in there 20 minutes 30 minutes this
guy
was a guy i assume it was a male
uh i started coming out with a bunch of
pips and squeaks and high-pitched sounds
now
being that this creature was about six
foot tall one would expect a lower voice
but if you have some rare gas mixtures
such as argon helium whatever it's
common knowledge of course if you put a
human in a helium high helium mixture
they sound funny they sound funny their
voice goes up in frequency because of
the propagation rate through the gas
that has a much higher rate than normal
air so is that the problem that was
apparent part of the problem so
eventually phil did get to talk with
this creature
and they exchanged some thoughts and
ideas as he was trying to speak in
english but it didn't come out very well
because of the gas because of the gas
and so forth perhaps he didn't know the
language that well i do not know the
reasons but eventually talk with them
okay so phil actually got them to change
the gas
i don't know whether they did that or
not okay but in any case phil reported
back to the officer later says yeah i
got this guy to talk and such and such
and such
well at the time when phil admitted this
to me
i asked him said what did the guy tell
you what did he talk about he says i
don't feel comfortable talking about
that at this time
he never did tell me
but he got a permanent assignment for
three months there as the official
interpreter for this alien
and nobody else could talk with him and
except he would this guy would talk with
phil
so what information came out of that who
knows
the government was trying to cost to
interrogate all of these captured aliens
that were still alive and find out
where they're from what they were doing
here and whatever they could get out of
them and apparently it was a fairly
successful program because i know one
other person who was on the lecture
circuit for some years dean stoney is up
in denver
who was lecturing about the aliens and
admitted openly he spent seven years in
the pentagon on special projects related
to ufos
i happened to wander in on this lecture
was going
because he had the door open
and i looked on the podium he had notes
on the podium this is the friend of mine
and i'm talking about phil i'm talking
about somebody else later
and
all alien text
i looked at this alien text and it says
to my friend uh
i didn't know you could read this stuff
he looked at me and says what do you
think i did for seven years in the
pentagon
and i said oh
who is this
uh i don't know if i should mention his
name i know who he is and all that but
he's now out of the circuit but
was he a speaker
he was the speaker he was the speaker
and it would be public information
basically yeah
uh
he was the nephew
of a famous admiral who went to the
south pole back in 1947. i have no bird
this is admiral byrd's nephew his name
at the moment escapes me but it can be
traced okay
but any case i found that curious
because here was more evidence of alien
language text and there has been a great
deal of communication with aliens by
certain elements of our government the
secret government
and phil was involved with us for some
three months
did phil know who this quote-unquote
secret government is that he know the
people because he talks about his
security clearance
yes i forget the name of it something
three
that he had this very high level
security clearance
yeah
this got into an interesting point of
contention later not with film between
phil and myself
uh
it was a
peculiar clearance and it was related to
one of the gemstones they had
had a gemstone level of clearance there
were several levels of gemstones and
several numbers and he had one of these
clearances
uh plus some other level which came out
of the pentagon
and many years after this after phil was
dead and gone i was on the one and only
time
on the program
as i talked
he was the host was
the former director
of the fbi in los angeles
who had me on his talk show and we got
talking about phil and his level of
clearance
is that guntherson gunderson ted
gunderson correct
and i mentioned the level of clearance
and one of ted's friends calls in and
talks on the show introduces himself and
says i am a
i don't know if he said former not nsa
employee or still was nsa
but he says quote there's no such level
of clearance
i got into quite an argument with this
guy
and uh
finally i was cut off the air
quite literally just chopped off
i talked with phil much later years
later about this why was i cut off the
air at that time he says
he says i had nothing to do with i says
well who did he says i had artists in
the program
head
that runs this runs the program for the
station that i was to be cut off of the
air the program's going to cut off the
air who ted said that yeah she said that
person to me to me
so here you were you were on the air
you're describing phil's level
security clearance right by name right
and ted gunterson who was the host
told you later he had to cut you off the
air right
he says it was not my doing he said i
had orders to cut you off
i
it's very interesting because well he's
the one actually who's involved in that
lawsuit with art belt right now
ted gunderson yeah i didn't know ted
gunderson was involved in a lawsuit with
him yeah he's he's the one
i know we're sort of veering off a
little bit but that's i know somebody
else was in a lawsuit with art bill for
uh two years and finally that that broke
off and that's the guy he was the
founder of uh reverse speech david um
david oates
no
just let all of you guys know it was uh
there was this
on the radio this insinuation
on guntersen's program that our bell was
a
child molester pedophile pedophile right
i remember those charges but i never
that was on his radio i never knew who
made those charges i did not know that
ted gunderson had made them well in
reality he didn't
you did not he did not make those
but somehow somehow art bill thought he
did or was told that there's a mystery
behind him yes there is some mystery
involved in this whole thing yeah it
became quite a problem with uh
ort bell he went off the air twice
because he's now back on but it was
basically because of family problems
involving a son well it's it's uh i just
watched this tape so it's an interesting
story yeah but let's get back to phil
schneider right um and and the reason
why people are listening to this is they
want to get
the rest of the story yes
so what else did he share with you
he mentioned the fact that he'd been in
europe and in russia
and uh
though he claims he never wrote on these
underground railroad systems he helped
build them
and he says among other things that he
was aware of was the huge pile
of ufos of wrecked ones that we had
and that we were shooting down ufos at
the rate
of approximately seven a month
and uh you see these piles of ufo yes
you did personally and where were they
he didn't specifically state where in
the us other than there was more than
one there were several piles of them but
he said while he was in russia on nato
business
he looked into the matter over there and
they said they had football fields they
said fields full of junk ufos of cover
two football fields i said they were
shooting them down the rate of about one
a day
and i said well what about the
occupancies i don't know what happened
to any of the occupants but he said
the orders have been out for quite some
time
this would mean prior to 95
that anyone who comes in to the earth
closer than as i was told a 250 mile
periphery
above the surface of the earth a 250
mile zone safe zone for us any closer
than 250 miles above the surface of the
earth to be shot down no matter who they
were
friend or foe they had to have clearance
to come in closer no matter who they
were well see i would say i'm gonna the
listener would say if these guys these
ufos these extraterrestrials have the
capability to do space travel
couldn't they counter our defensive
measures not what we have now
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a few years ago there was an astounding
book published
it's called the day after roswell
and it's written by a gentleman called
philip corso who's now dead
he had a military career that lasted
more than 20 years and during that time
he served at the white house
and then he was a senior official at the
pentagon
and in this book which is an astounding
book
he clearly says that there is a war
going on in space
in other words
nasa and the american military
have designed weapons
uh he says in his book that some of the
weapons are based on patents
of the genius inventor nikola tesla
philip corso tells us that there are
plasma beam weapons being used
against
these ufos and that sometimes
these ufos are hit
a special team then
travel out to wherever it is in the
world
and collect the wreckage
now from the wreckage they back engineer
any useful technology
in his book he clearly states that
microchips
semiconductors
fiber optics
lasers
many other
new metal alloys have all been back
engineered from wreckage which they've
collected
from ufos which have been shot down by
the american government
now we have particle beam weapon systems
a lot tesla but of course vastly beyond
what even tesla dreamed of in terms of
power
they now are so powerful
that much of the research was done at
montauk point in conjunction with the
montauk project but quite aside from
that
we have them all over the planet now
there's some 36 major high powered ones
somebody understand
and
the power level is now to the point
with one of the newer ones which is a
twin beam particle beam
which is transmitted as a scalar
transmission system and if you know
anything about scalar theory which maybe
some of you listen as well
if you cross two scalar beams so they
cross each other you manifest a strict
electromagnetic beam with all of its
manifestations at that crossover point
so what they do is they aim two of these
uh
particle beams
in the scale of mode
out into space wherever they want to
and when they wanted to
let's say produce a physical
manifestation such as converging on a
ufo and blowing it out of the sky
they will focus it that way
now it will take a bit of power to do
this
uh the power now
is upped into the terawatts region uh it
has gone from
megawatts to gigawatts since now the
terawatts and the last
piece of information i had on this was
that
we have been using the moons of jupiter
for a shooting gallery for practice
when the particle beam the newest one
from earth
the uh tunnel for these have to be
optically aligned laser aligned and so
forth
300 miles long
dp me no 300 miles long for the system
well under the earth in the middle of
the u.s somewheres
and of course now how they reflect the
energy out and how they focus it i do
not know
but you think that's what they're using
to get that is what they're using to
blow bore a hole or blow a hole through
one of the moons of jupiter 25 miles in
diameter from earth
i think that will take care of any ufo
that's out there including in the
jupiter orbit
well of course you know half the people
listening to this are going to believe
you and the other and the other half
will not
i'm sorry i cannot give my sources of
information on that but i do have some
rather good sources
so
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my
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so
uh
i believe that what we're seeing with
the footage from space shuttle mission
sts 48
that we are seeing several intelligently
controlled extraterrestrial craft
and yes i do believe that the flashes
are the firing of
some
very very top-secret weapon
which is able to produce
an electronic cure electromagnetic
plasma kind of
death ray
that is being used against these ufos i
do believe that that is exactly what
we're seeing
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is
space shuttle mission sts-75 the teva
incident a lot of a lot has been said
about this incident
um personally i feel that most of the
objects that you see
are actual individual parts of the
tether
just floating around in space and that
they're out of focus it's a fascinating
piece of footage
and
i wouldn't be surprised if they weren't
you know quite a few ufos
coming into the scene to check out our
technology just as the same as they've
done
many times before
the crew can see the tether and see the
satellites that it's beautiful
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this view uh showing uh
the satellite
again i'm just moving into sunrise
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81 nautical miles now from
okay what what else did phil tell you
that was interesting in those private
moments
well he showed me of course his scores
uh which were obviously they're on the
video they're on the video right there's
nothing unusual about that
but uh he told me about one of his
encounters
in the underground when
we were doing a bore for
preparation to build an underground base
they said the typical procedure was
they bought a large diameter who were
large enough to run a captain's chair
down through is about six feet or so in
diameter
and uh it could be earth boring it could
be laser it could be whatever but they
bore this hole down it says anyways in
one to three miles the goal typically
was between one and three miles no less
than one mile
but his job was when they had it down to
the depth they wanted
he would go down on the captain's chair
literally physically down in the
borehole and examine the rock structure
at the bottom to see if it was a kind of
rock structure that would
be possible to use to create by blasting
their underground base
he says more than once it happened that
as they were boring they hit an open
area an underground cavern system
and he was dropped down the first one of
these
where it happened that way he was told
get on the chair and go down and find
out what's down there well
i took lighting with him he said he
didn't know what to expect
is this the dulce wars you're going to
talk about no that's just before the
tulsa
nothing another one this has nothing to
do with elsie wars
this is
standard procedures of building the
underground basis wouldn't it get hot
i mean i could imagine if you're being
lowered down
well this is another great misconception
uh i've done a lot of spelunking in my
life and this is one of the strange
things they tell you in all of the
natural caves natural cavern systems
they are the same temperature the world
over averaging around 52 degrees
fahrenheit
night or day summer or winter they vary
maybe plus or minus two degrees from
that
but they hold right around 52 and
regardless of the depth they're still 52
degrees
now you say well what about volcanoes
they have a special structure and
apparently the volcanoes of course
they're hot you got molten rock but
there's no
truly accurate theory to explain why you
have volcanoes with all this molten lava
which is assumed to come from the center
of the earth it does not
why we have volcanoes is still
something of an unexplained mystery and
even phil couldn't come up with an
answer on that one but he went down on
this one case on the chair
so then down before the dulce wars this
is before the dulce horse
he got down to the chair and uh
got down to the left get out of the
chair he's wandering around in a very
dimly dim cavern system very foul air
apparently sort of breathable but very
foul air
and with his lighting he looked around
there and he wandered he thought he saw
a shadow or something moving he wandered
around one of the corners of this cavern
system was face to face with an alien
he said he looked at it it looked at him
as if i remember correctly he described
it as a reptilian
but he says it went for something on his
chest that's some kind of a plaque or
thing on his chest and he describes the
story on yeah
and but he said he pulled out his uh
nine millimeter
ruger that he had in his pocket he
wasn't supposed to having the suit but
he had a hunch take the gun with him
that day and he did and he shot this
thing dead before he got him
he said this happened more than once
well i thought this was the dulce wars
you're talking about because he said
that 60 or so
um soldiers actually got killed in that
exchange and the exchange in the dulce
wars and the dulce tunnel but this was a
totally separate phenomena
see what he was talking about exploring
uh this is when i seen private
conversations okay he was exploring
these caverns when they hit them when he
went back up finally and told him what
happened he said he got the impression
that they knew all about it and he says
eventually he learned the government
knew where these underground caverns
were and they were inhabited so how is
that experience different from what the
dulce wars were the dulce wars was going
into a base they already knew already
had there was originally a government
base was turned over to the aliens
and
they took it over completely and
eventually kicked out the scientists
wanted to run it entirely on their own
the government wanted it back and this
was in new mexico of course and my
understanding of the history of it was
originally built as a storage depot for
nuclear waste but the governor of new
mexico at that time says you're not
dumping that nuclear waste here in an
underground facility in new mexico
you're not going to use it for that even
though it's already been built for that
purpose
eventually it was adopted for the
uh i guess what we would say the
underground labs and experimentation
which took place at dulce
the aliens were invited in they more or
less took it over and then eventually
totally took it over
but the attempt to get it back from the
aliens and some 66 people went in fully
armed or they thought fully armed
and only four or five total came out
phil was one of those who came out alive
all injured had to be carried out by uh
marines they brought in just to carry
them out and even the marines were hit
and he recovered slowly he had severe
burn marks he had a hole in his chest
and uh other burns
so that's a different experience totally
separate from what the one he talks
about with the alien who yes
single one one on one where he shot them
so she was not one on one this was
unknown number of aliens at the other
end of the tunnel right costing 66
people including most military heavily
armed or they assume they were
adequately armed and literally took all
the military out they had weapon systems
we did not have at that time
now did he ever say he was physically on
board
a ufo or et craft
i do not recall that he ever mentioned
that no
okay
um
was there anything else that was
bizarre that he shared with you
yes
he did if you get into the period
after he left the government
he remained as he said quiet for about
two years two and a half years didn't
talk publicly took his oaths of secrecy
seriously and wouldn't discuss any of
what he had done
but then he started talking little
trial bits he might call it trial
balloons at the
club and i was there the western uh
bigfoot club
and i talked with him eventually he
realizes that the public should know
some of this so i kept twisting his arm
to go public and he did
during this whole period
he was visited periodically by various
people from his old group and from the
government from intelligence
hey we don't like what you're doing you
shouldn't be taking this public
we'll forgive you everything if you just
come back and work for us
and he told you that yes and he said
this went on repeatedly
he says finally after his trip to japan
and when he came back
he said some fairly high level
intelligence people came to visit him as
an apartment in oregon and portland area
and just
discussed with him
that
says we want you to know mr schneider
you have done a great deal of damage
to uh let's say the whole infrastructure
a great deal of damage to the new world
order
he says how much he says it's
incalculable
since you have done major damage to them
with your lectures
uh but have they really has he really
this is what he was told this is what he
passed on to me that's a good question
did they really of course he got the
same pitch again we'll forgive you all
of this if you just come back with us we
really need you
he kept telling them no well it's from
that point on apparently they started
the attempts on his life
every conceivable form
i think he mentions that there was
around 13 or 13 before of course the
14th again
okay but yeah they go through the whole
thing he goes through that why don't we
focus in on on what really got him
because you seem to have a pretty good
handle on what really got him no
okay
uh
i was given a phone call by his ex-wife
a few nights before the
february conference was to start in
florida for global sciences because he
was to be a speaker as a scheduled
speaker there and he was going to come
up to atlanta from there and do some
major video taping on what he knew he
kept saying
i have lots to tell you i've only
scratched about one percent of it it
says
i want to put it all on record oh it's
too bad we don't have that it's too bad
that he never got to it
but any case that's what he said he
would do and on that night i believe was
the 10th of february i got a call from
his ex-wife for saying phil is dead
he's been found in his apartment we
think
that he had a uh had a heart attack and
heart failure and where did he live
again he was in uh
portland oregon
and you were in atlanta georgia yes
right okay well after the conference was
over of course i flew up there
and
she has to go through his apartment and
effects
but the story was that
basically
to give the initial part of it basically
a group that came to visit him regularly
uh jehovah's witnesses group he spoke to
them about once every two weeks
he was friendly with them they were
friendly with him because he was not a
highly religious person they didn't
believe in god but he was not
uh highly religious in the sense of what
persons normally think is highly
religious really i i watched video
and you know of his the the three
different videos of him speaking before
actually and he seems to be religious
yes he had basic religious beliefs
perhaps god fearing is yes that would be
perhaps the right term
but he was not hooked on any specific
religion and all of the tenets of that
religion okay
but these jehovah's witnesses people
came to visit him he talked with them
and so forth and this went on on a
regular basis
now he what i was told was that on this
particular
morning
when it was discovered that he was dead
they came to his apartment so his car
parked outside rang the doorbell got no
answer in the past they always got an
answer
and uh
they went to the management and said uh
there's something wrong phil's car is
here but he's not answering the door
so he says oh we gotta we'll get a key
and we'll go in and look so they open
the door and look there is
was his moldering body was already
decaying a couple of days a couple of
days it was estimated at that point it
was four days
uh
motoring on the floor
in his bedroom nothing but a pair of
shorts his body half under the bed and
his head and shoulders propped up on the
wheelchair so he was fairly bloated at
the time he was bloated at the time
they assumed that he might have been in
his wheelchair and fell out but that was
a the initial assumption so of course
they called the police to call the
uh funeral home they took the body in
for the usual treatment for preparation
for a funeral
and uh was then that they found out that
it was something a little abnormal
there was a rubber tube wrapped around
his neck
three times and knotted in the back i
mean right back here
and you had to literally move remove the
bloated folds of flesh to see the tube
it was not a tubing it was not available
in view otherwise
now theoretically he could have done
that to himself couldn't he not hardly
because he had three fingers missing
from both hands he had fingers cut off
or blown off from various uh explosive
and other things that had happened he
had severe arthritis
he could he had very strong hands and
arms but he could not manipulate his
fingers correctly so he did not have the
ability to tie that rubber hose and not
yeah he could have wrapped something
around his neck
and held it this way but who
is going to commit suicide by holding a
rubber tube this way as soon as you
relax the tube lets loosen you breathe
again
it was knotted
and of course the autopsy performed not
by the county coroner but by a local
medic
brought in by the police department of
portland
i've read the autopsy
went through the whole list and i
noticed two things one they never did a
blood test two they never did a urine
test
uh three when they went through the uh
descriptions of the various body parts
when they came to the penis they said
nothing unusual or abnormal
well that was the red flag right there
as his ex-wife who gave me a copy of the
autopsy reporter said as soon as i read
that it says i knew that either the
doctor was in totally incompetent or
that wasn't phil's body
i said why
because i didn't know at this point what
she was referring to and what my friend
in
seattle washington he spent a lot of
time with because
he was preparing to buy property up in
washington state to carry on with his
research revive his defunct ufo magazine
and so forth but he had
severe obvious stitching in his penis he
had had a severe infection years before
his wife told me the story
and which they had to literally cut it
open from one end to the other in order
to clean out the infection and then sew
it up and none of that was present
according to the autopsy none of that
was present but the first thing was
everybody no had seen the stitches that
ever saw him naked uh either in a shower
or otherwise i'd seen him naked once but
i didn't
take a close look
and uh
it just didn't happen to show that's all
yeah and he was not in a position where
it would so i'd never noticed it
but
uh
did his wife actually think that was not
the body of phil schneider she raised a
severe on a serious question that
possibly was not phil schneider but now
it probably was though well she never
was allowed to see the body uh really
she is a question is this phil schneider
she wanted to see the body they would
not allow her to see the body
no reason was ever given
just no you can't see it you can't see
it period now other friends of his are
in the uh bigfoot club and and his
brother did anybody see the body oh yes
his brother did
and other people who knew him well and
they all said brother saw the body but
his wife couldn't
yes that's interesting isn't it that's
very interesting yeah
and they all said other than his wife
that yes that was the body of phil
schneider
so being it was declared suicide
even though it was obviously not
the coroner said it was suicide that is
the doctor appointed his coroner
and that was the official version
did you fly up there
uh for his funeral
no i was not there for his funeral i
came up a little after it
and uh i met some of the people in the
club
and met his ex-wife the first time and
uh i was asked to come up with liberty
to go through his personal effects in
the apartment so i didn't a friend from
seattle
i'll use the first name mark
and
i noticed something rather strange he
had a four drawer filing cabinet a
standard office variety
it was totally empty except for
perhaps two inches of papers in the
middle of one of the drawers in which i
looked at it it was nothing but the
receipts and filing papers for a
business which he attempted to run as a
consulting engineer of some kind some
years prior so who cleaned his file
cabinets that's a very good question who
cleaned out the filing cabinet what
about his brother or wife did they go
through it
no his wife said absolutely not she
didn't go through anything his brother
said nothing about going through
anything so how did you get access to
his because
uh his wife asked me to because i was
known to her
he had discussed me many times with his
wife his wife had a strange view of phil
and that she considered him as somewhat
overly paranoid
and when he uh was under extreme stress
for many of the various things he was
involved with including some of these
as a way she put it supposedly car
accidents
which uh there were quite a number these
were the attempts on his life took
sona's life
she said he'd go under a strange mode of
withdrawal and uh invent these stories
uh she did not believe half of what he
had to tell her
now that i'm stating it as i know it now
she stated it to me
but it was obvious that he was dead and
she took me to the apartment and wanted
me to go through everything was there
now one other thing i went through was
his photo album because i was interested
in seeing the photos which he said there
were many photos in the album of his
father and my father together on fishing
trips gone gone
pictures of him as a kid god
so everything was gone basically
everything was gone except the pictures
of his father and wife
uh as a normal human being as normal
human beings at an older age and wasn't
there a lot of money missing
yes he had sold just approximately three
months prior to his uh demise
his gym collection he had quite a
collection of gems uh valuable jams as
well as a rock collection the rock
collection was still in the apartment he
told me on the phone he sold his gym
collection for some 90 000 bucks
which was a lot of money
and i know what he wanted the money for
he was going up
first to idaho and i went with him on
one or two trips looking for property to
buy to move up there and start up some
kind of a survival thing and do his own
research
he went up to uh seattle to meet my
friend mark up there and he and mark
went all over washington state and the
rumors were that he had bought property
up in washington state some place but
that never turned up there was no deeds
no title nothing could be found
anywheres in any of the searches of the
state records that he bought any
property
but the money was missing some ninety
thousand
so whether he did buy property not we do
not know to this day and whether the
money was just absconded
we assume
probably it was but we don't know
now there's some other interesting
aspects as to what disappeared
he was known to have a safety deposit
box he was just common knowledge among
his friends he mentioned it to me many
times he mentioned what he had in him
among other things
that was a collection of gold bars and i
said gold bars he said where'd you get
him it says from my father
i says did you ever see
no these gold bars i never saw them but
a number of friends in the uh bigfoot
club
did see them and i told them about them
and says did you ever see these gold
bars i said oh yes he showed them to us
many times he brought him out his wall
brought him down here showed them to us
they all had the death's head
uh stamped in the bar and that's the
death the death's head yes this was the
symbol for the run a german submarine
service
they were all commanders
captains that is of the german
subservice had to carry a certain amount
of gold bullion with them there was a
law required in germany in case they get
stuck someplace and had to buy their way
out they could always buy their way out
with gold if they didn't have any other
local currency
so they all had to go bullying and when
he left the subservice somehow he
managed to capture this goal and bring
some of it with him
which he used to show to fill and phil
was going to melt it down into cornish i
do not know if he ever did or not
but uh i never saw the gold but he had
the safety deposit box who knows what
else might have been in there did his
wife open the box
the box just plain disappeared nobody
knew where it was she didn't know where
it was
nobody knew except phil where phil was a
very secretive guy wasn't very secretive
yeah he also had perhaps contributed to
his demise didn't it he also had
according to his words this is the
private discussions again
a lab which he had jointly with somebody
else who was a very good engineer
scientist and they were doing some of
their own private research
on uh
possible time travel teleportation
whatever
and they said this guy created
what he called
a miniature version of
uh what is a tv program
that shows this
rotating wheel in the
2000 film a film of water not 2001 no
the uh
uh i'll think of it in a moment
he built what was apparently a miniature
version
of this uh
stargate
and i said you had one functioning he
said yes
he says how did it work says i don't
know the other guy knew most of the
technology on that
but i said well
so you had it operating was it big no he
said it was on a tabletop it says maybe
three feet in diameter
and uh
what'd you do with it
well
it says i thought i'd be brave and i'd
try and put my arm through it
see
if my arm was all right and where it
went he says i put my arm through and i
nearly got sucked into it
he says i was able to hold back
this is the well why did you try a
camera says i did
i said would you get pictures said yes
it says i'll show them to you sometime i
never saw them
this lab and any reference to it
disappeared nobody else seemed to know
anything about it
except whoever the second party was and
i never did learn who that was
the lab disappeared
uh supposedly had a complete machine
shop somewheres that just disappeared in
the woodwork everything disappeared
including his own records of medical
care out of the federal office building
and the federal case he was building up
in washington in seattle in the federal
courthouse there against someone well
you know during his lectures he shows
all these rare materials or alien
materials yes was all that gone as well
oh yes everything
so so we at least know from the
videotapes that he did have
exotics material i had them in my hands
i examined them so but you go back to
the apartment after the death
all gone right this bowling ball was
still there because we used to bowl once
in a while
with three fingers
apparently
well if he could bowl he might be able
to yeah you can do it with three fingers
uh i guess you were strong enough
um what about all those pictures you
know the bikini island atomic explosion
were those gone or were those still
there
uh the ones that he showed publicly were
still there because i was already in a
public domain see that's why he should
have gone
public even more yeah i said yeah well
we can do that uh sunday morning
quarterbacking here
yes exactly yeah but let's just sort of
close this out um
i would say a lot of people probably
thought he was a bit loony to some
degrees that's very easy to say it's
easy it's because it's easy it's easy to
say that because of some of the things
he claimed right so and any but even his
wife
according to your testimony at times
thought he was a little bit a little bit
off a little bit off okay
so but based on from your experience and
and you knew him as well as anybody
knows him
how did you find him to be
as far as a credible person very sane
very stable very credible
he could back up all of his statements
with some kind of evidence which
connected with things i knew
and uh
everything hung together now
the claims that he committed suicide
don't hold water for another reason
his wife of course was totally against
that idea and theory says he's got an
eight-year-old daughter he loved his
daughter he came over here all the time
to see her he was saved trying to save
money up for her education they
established an education fund for her
and i said he he spent all of his spare
time that he could over here seeing his
daughter and of course seeing his
ex-wife he says
he told me he says after we were
divorced
my ex-wife and i became very good
friends but was that before that we
never got along
happens a lot yeah it doesn't that
happens quite a bit
so
he had a lot of reason to live he had
many reasons to live but he must have
known by going public that his life was
in jeopardy now he was told that many
times so why do you think he still
insisted on going because he said as
long as he could he was going to keep
trying to put the information out to the
public
that he felt things could be done in a
better way that then they were being
done as of course you can hear him say
himself on his lectures
and that all of this cover-up in hiding
was totally unnecessary and was wrong is
it sooner or later
our hands meaning the government's hand
is going to be forced into admissions on
the conditions and circumstances which
will not be pleasant or desirable so i
guess just in conclusion given the way
he died and given the fact that hardly
anything is preserved
of phil schneider except for these
videotapes really that's it and a few of
the pictures that you have
probably his cause will not be
served as a result of his work
but that's hard to say
hard to say but maybe as a result of
what you have to say in some of his
videos
i might say here is part of this record
that of course
other people have become interested in
this history
and there is a book now published
entitled the philadelphia experiment
murder which deals with his life and his
father's life and the philadelphia
experiment published by sky books it's a
new book just released this year
and he's mentioned it oh yeah
phil has mentioned of course some of the
documentation of his father
they pulled in a number of other people
uh the inimitable jackson pruitt who was
stationed master montauk
actually came down to new york with his
wife from where he lives in new mexico
to see the lady who was doing the
interviewing and talk actually wrote the
book is that the sheikah yes
whatever yeah
oh she's the one who wrote the book yes
okay
and she tried to get him to talk about
the montauk project that she he would
not do it in front of his wife maybe
wouldn't do it at all i'm not sure but i
wasn't she met him oh yes she met him
physically jack pruitt jack fruity jack
pruitt wow
he's still alive and well in fact to his
credit
he was dying of cancer in los angeles
you know some
eight years or so ago
i knew about this through his son glenn
pruitt from new york whom i know and he
was in visiting with glenn and other
family members
but glenn knew the history to some
extent but he didn't believe it
uh he says you're trying to tell me that
my father
was the head of the montauk project and
i said yes and preston said yes he says
well if i showed you a picture of him
would you
identify him if that's the man i said of
course bring us the picture so glenn did
i took one looks this yeah that's jack
pruitt the same guy under the station
master he said a little fuller and face
in that picture than when i remember him
as i remembered
president took one more says yeah that
was him okay
that's interesting all right well
uh al thank you for your time
and uh i hope this sheds a little bit
more life on the hidden
mystery really of
our friend phil schneider mr phil
schneider there are many mysteries
connected with his life and
i was privy to some other things
including special photos of him
standing next to uh
an early u2
and also next to the first stealth
fighter talking about oscar phil phil
phil worked on the in the skunk works
and he was there at the time with the
construction of the uh
famous uh
new fighter aircraft the stealth fighter
and of course the stealth bomber that
aurora
not the aurora that's totally separate
you know the regular stealth fighter and
stealth bomber the b-2 bombers is called
a stealth bomber he was part of that
program he was part of that program and
there's a picture of him standing next
to it he showed that
thank you all