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yes my nature are reckless
people are going to find that out very
soon
well
you know there's a there's a there's
another thing too
i've had over the last 20 years so many
cameras on me
i'm at the point where it's okay that's
good yeah so you're you're actually cool
with it well that's nice well you've had
i've had cameras in extremely invasive
that can be done to me anymore
this is exactly what i was thinking
about
nightshade presents dr burrish blamed
for la quinta fire oh
lovely
george knapp here oh
right
beautiful
okay um what we mean i'm very pleased to
be with dan burrish
and uh
well actually i would like you to eat it
to sort of give a brief inter
introduction uh who you are
and what you're known for
maybe what you'd like to be known for
from cantankerous activities
uh and uh disobeying uh certain uh
authority structures oh well
i'm a microbiologist
a
a retired one now
but continuing somewhat the practice
involved in a very unusual project
called lotus
i am a 20-year retiree from majestic
first having been brought in in 1986
under the auspices of the committee of
the majority
and
specifically working for the majestic 12
assigned to project aquarius
i suppose i'm more known for meeting a
j-rod
i am working at s4
aside from that i don't really know what
i'm known for aside from irritating a
bunch of people on the web that don't
want to hear about me okay so you you
worked for majestic
and and you were basically
i mean in brief and i know there's a
really long history right
an accessory project it wasn't
you know i it was it was funded because
everything that i was doing at the time
was being funded ultimately by them
but uh it was an accessory project it
wasn't
something of a critical nature for uh
for the majestic or as i believed for a
long time however the principle of the
lotus ultimately
ended up being a rather uh earth shaking
item for the participants at the
t9 conference a couple of years ago
what is the t9 conference
during the course of of um
speaking with extraterrestrials and our
interactions with them
from the 1950s
onward there have been a series of
treaties established between we and bay
uh they meaning the future human
intelligence time travelers
uh
and there have been a a as a consequence
of our relationship with them there have
been
more than one treaty system in place
uh
during the last of one of those treaty
negotiation and signing times i had the
privilege of being uh in the presence of
the negotiators
at the conference which was held in the
state of new mexico
and there were how many aliens present
at that time
there were
two four six
and a few in the strollers behind the uh
curtains
so we had uh
i'm sorry what was that reference
they're unable to cope for long periods
of time in our atmosphere in our present
atmosphere they've adapted if you will
to the atmospheres of
their their particular future timeline
and and as a consequence
coming here would be oppressive to them
existing in our in our standard
temperature and our pressure
so they have
been provided
unique sealed off pressurized systems
that they would be moved around in uh by
their attendance basically on a segway
type uh it type uh transport system
where you can push it and it will
actually move forward very easily
maneuverable i see so that's what you
meant by sterling writing system right
and so they were encapsulated in their
strollers and their positions as
negotiators for their their uh
their time
and um
are you saying that these aliens that
were presence present at this conference
that happened what this year last couple
years a couple years ago um in which
they discussed i'm assuming you're it
was true
three or four
i'm sorry between 2003 and 2004. okay
and they discussed the uh the lotus
project
it was brought up and in fact um
as part of the negotiations the people's
45 000
group of j-rods
wanted the codes for the lotus principle
added into the treaty negotiations so
that they could use it in their own
attempts to ameliorate their particular
neuropathies
wow so they saw the value they saw the
value right away they saw a potential
value for it and they wanted to use it
for that purpose
it was my argument that it should not be
used
for a particular purpose that this is
moreover part of a natural system
which has been put in place by whatever
god that one would want to
gain as being with the creator of the
universe
um
as part of the natural system and not to
be controllable by humankind
um by alien kind by well they're they're
humans they're they're they're gonna
consider them humans they're humans okay
the human beings albeit different from
what we
uh would expect to see as a human being
but then again if we look in the history
the presently accepted history of the
evolution of humankind if one were to
walk
into a
conference held by neanderthals one
would be
taken aback
well in the same way one may be taken
aback by walking into a conference with
these gentlemen okay um so you've got
two kinds of aliens and people that are
watching this some people may have no
idea about the the t2 the two times
probably probably not we actually had
three kinds of extraterrestrials human
lineage extraterrestrials present
uh two kinds of p plus forty five
thousand years
from now if we were to translate over to
timeline two difficult subjects aren't
they
uh
two representatives from that time two
representatives from p plus fifty two
thousand years ahead j rods both of
which generally
um have the the anatomical
configuration of what would be in
ufology called grays grey aliens
uh and two representatives from people
is 52 000 orions who would generally i
guess in
ufological circles i guess one could say
would be called nordics
or or talls okay
i'm actually more human-like but have
larger eyes very blue eyes blonde share
et cetera i see and um okay well of
course i've got many questions on this
score
but and for people listening we would
also like to know were there any
reptilians present
no not per se okay what i've i've come
to understand and and it's generally
held
i think i could say it's generally held
within our society
that the notion of a reptilian
is a misnomer
and i'm not saying that
to apply
a negative uh connotation to the to the
stories that individuals have brought
forward probably mostly forthrightly
um
but that
when you view or observe
um
what would be called a gray what i would
call a j-rod
um
the particular ready configuration of
their skin the changes of the the the
pseudoreference glandular structure
of their of their skin
can make them appear during
exacerbations of the illness
very reptilian in appearance
and also possibly praying mantis type
uh in appearance
they had they're also suffering from a
cocaine-like syndrome which makes them
lurch forward so they appear very pretty
mantis-like
so i think
that possibly
many of the accounts which have
forthrightly come from individuals who
have actually been abducted by the p45s
have made
maybe been interpreted as being
reptilian in appearance
because of their their skin structure
but they're not really reptiles
now i'm not saying
i'm trying to be inclusive here
that there are things in the the
mind of man and in the glorious universe
of god that i don't know
that that there's a possibility that
individuals have been um
have encountered
alien species
not to my reference
given the fact
i mean you know gosh i've had to accept
the fact
that there are human beings
that many years ahead of us on another
timeline
coexisting
in reality
how hard would it be for me to accept
that there are other
extraterrestrials of non-human lineage
of which i've only been briefed about
one which is an extra dimensional
species
whom have referenced other
extraterrestrial species that i know
nothing about
how hard is it for me to accept that
after i've
been in the presence of
a human lineage extraterrestrial i i
don't have a problem with that but at
the same time
i don't have evidence
to support it either reptilian in that
if one were under stress
and one had no previous reference to
their biology
uh their pathophysiology their their
particular problems
one could
reasonably expect
out of a group of people experiencing
them
that
more than
50 percent of the group could probably
say that they were reptilian in
appearance
okay that's interesting that's the best
time so their appearance morphs to some
degree into more of a reptilian
under stress is is what you're saying i
mean people could interpret them that
way okay reasonably be expected
to interpret them that way if they do
not have a scientific grounding in what
they're looking at sure
you know i'm trying not to
i'm trying to be inclusive of of reports
of individuals that have no reason to
have come forward
and say things
that they've said
for other than the fact that they've
experienced
something i'm trying to understand or
maybe uh
help people to understand why they may
have interpreted as well
sure
these things in this way however they
may have actually come into contact with
something which was fully reptilian in
appearance i don't know i haven't
exactly
yeah i'm trying to be honest and at the
same time tell people
because apparently it's happened to me
that it's okay
that apparently was conducted and then
uh that it's happened
apparently what has happened to you
well
uh in in 1973
i was playing in a park in southern
california in maybelline park and
this is going to probably come out in
one or more of the versions of the
debriefing
of me
i was playing
baseball with my grandpa
in the park
and i was having him throw me a
ball so i could catch it over my
shoulder i was trying to run away at the
same time that he would throw the ball
so i could try to catch the ball like
willie may's as famous
catches
during one of these
throws of the ball
i remember
looking up toward the sun because high
in the in the sky at the time it was
summertime
and
glancing away because the sun was
blinding me looking down toward the
grass which was very bright green at the
time
and then seeing a flash
where the
grass
appeared to turn black
i appeared uh
from my perspective i was i was covered
in a shadow
the shadow reminded me of a triangular
bat kite
that i had played with with
my grandfather over the riverbed nearby
and that's the way i basically was able
to describe it at the time i was what
nine was nine at the time
um
then i remember a flash
immediately there's a
disjoint memory of this
it's not contiguous
where i saw my grandfather sitting over
by a tree
several yards away from me
and the sun had clearly
moved in its aspect to me so time had
clearly passed
the earth had
moved and the time had passed
at least
several hours
had passed
he was very shook up
i ran over to him asked him what
happened
and he didn't want to talk about it he
said you're okay now you're okay now and
he wanted to go home
so he walked me home immediately over
the overpass over delamo boulevard
and we went home
this precipitated a major
domestic upset
between my grandparents and my mom and
dad
ultimately this domestic upset
resulted in my grandparents moving out
and around that same time
i was having unusual dreams
and in the dream i would wake up
do i think that there were probably
dreams now no
but i would wake up and i would walk
from my bedroom
through the restroom which connected
between my bedroom and a small laundry
area that went to a doorway
off the north side of
our house
and to the right of that laundry area
there was a
a closet
that's the closet where my grandpa used
to put his work jacket and his work
boots he worked at gaffers and saddlers
as an enamel dipper
dipping pieces
in enamel for uh
manually
uh for
things like appliances stoves etc
and he would come home every day just
covered in enamel dots all over his
jacket and his boots
and i would open the door to that closet
and that's all i can remember from the
dream
but i knew that i was meeting somebody
called harry
he was a little friend
and i know that is knowledge that i met
a little friend there but i have no
visual memory
of what harry looked like
it was finally um
because i finally told my mom and dad
about it and it was finally rationalized
the way that i was because i was still
watching um sesame street at the time
that was oscar the grouch and that's the
way um
my mom put it she said you're thinking
about oscar the grouch because he looks
furry and hairy
and
from that time on as the dreams
continued i then remember seeing oscar
the grouch
in my dream
but not in the closet
in the restroom or you know past the
restroom
but i remember just seeing a picture of
oscar at the grouch so i felt very calm
about it after that i
you know i accepted it as a boy
um
so how okay so you were in
you were abducted in some in in
in something that you don't remember the
details of is that the actual experience
once
i told you what the actual yeah the
actual memory of it
uh from my boyhood that is it
uh now i remember
possibly
and i'm not sure over the years with
whether this was confabulation or not
because i was a boy at the time
i think i remember seeing a tall person
like
if you take a movie frame like one frame
like a flash of a still picture
like an iconic memory almost
of a tall person standing next to him at
the
tree next to your thought your grandma
my grandpa yeah okay
he refused until the day he passed
to discuss what happened
he would become extremely agitated and
john and dodie
for certain who had many conversations
uh with him
and maybe even john would uh um this is
your father and mother yeah uh yeah
they're my mom and dad that i grew up
with i've learned certain things about
my family since then
that are really neither here or there
having to do with who is actually
biological father and
biological mother and things like that
but there were my mom and dad they're my
mom and dad i mean they're the mom and
dad that i remember growing up with and
and uh i uh but they are not mj1
no
okay but and mj1 is somehow this this
abduction occur of your um experience
seemed to have
resulted in you becoming or being viewed
as the son of mj1 right right what
happened what happened is this
i i also learned
of what happened to me
from kaiela the j-rod that i met at s4
he showed me
from his perspective
what had happened to me in 1973
i saw myself being pulled by my chest
upward off the surface of the park
i saw my grandfather going like this and
and
uh basically panicking
uh um
crying
because he wasn't able my grandpa was
very protective of me
and he wasn't able to protect me
and now i understand god bless him why
he was so upset
the one person in his whole life that he
knew that he would protect that he loved
that much to protect he couldn't at that
moment
and i understand
i was so upset but the j-rod showed me
what happened to me that i was picked up
and that i was laid down on a table in
some sort of a craft
uh and that this craft was a generally
chevron
shaped
almost triangular
shaped craft
and i was laid down
next to a series of young people
one of which was in fact the son of the
former mj-1
something went wrong during uh the
course of my time on board the craft
when samples were being taken of me
for their studies
and the son
of the former mj-1
died
during that time they put some sort of
equipment on me it almost looked like
eeg type
neural net if you will
of receivers probes
electrodes if you will on me and they
were trying to save desperately trying
to save and i could see the the movement
of the j-rods around this other boy
and i i i know what he looked like and
all of that because i was seeing it
through the eyes of of kyla
they were trying to save him and
ultimately passed
during that time apparently they were
trying with whatever technology that
they employ
to
to save uh the boy by storing him
uh that kylo was uh with the p45s at the
time these were p-45
thousand j-rods
and they looked at us and they look at
us as no more than uh
containers or
cylinders almost almost like beakers
full of material of electromagnetic
material
and so they were trying to save
store his his energy if you will
um
right
marcia suggested the word vessels
right
um
they were trying to store him for a
while i guess
in me
now
my memory
of of myself at the time was a rather
dull
boy that liked to play uh baseball
uh and uh with gi joes and things like
that
the the record of me at the time was
that i had an okay acuity in science
that's what the the uh the elementary
school teachers were saying i don't
remember having acuity like that in
science there's a disjoint in
my own
story of myself
because of this
because
after i was
put down uh back in the park
over the course of the next couple years
there were changes in me but then again
there should have been because i was
growing up
but there was a a substantive
intellectual change
in me where i was no longer interested
in those same things of my youth
was that maturation
probably some of it
was it a change as a result of what was
done with me on board the craft
the majestic thinks so
thinks that it had something to do
with
that other boy
because that other boy was uh known as
um
very bright
in the sciences
and all of a sudden true enough
i got a hankering for berlin meyer
flasks and boiling flasks and
microscopes that i had never had before
okay and i've
possessed ever since
on some level
the mj
ones son that was on the craft
next to you that that uh possibly
received uh a slow transfer from
um
is
the mj the m2 group had to be
cognizant of what was going on in other
words they knew that that had happened
and they knew
during the time admitted to me that they
knew that that had happened at the time
but in other words was this um uh so you
were chosen in a sense
i believe that i was
the only evident i don't know
sure i don't know
the the the
evidence that i have
was that i was
from hearing about the sampling program
was that i was picked up
as a as a random population sample
the son of a blue collar worker
and just the son of
my family was it was total blue collar
uh
but
there are a lot of coincidences
that suggest
that people were moved into
a place to later teach me
that happened before 1973.
can i put my finger on that and say oh
yeah they knew what was going to happen
to me and then i was going to be picked
out i can't
say that because i wouldn't be honest
but i get the feeling as though oh
marcia has held up two letters to me lg
for looking glass
i'm sitting here in the presence of an
individual that actually knows more of
the truth and cannot tell me for
whatever reason
more of the truth about what's happened
to me
than i know
okay she's just held up the word the
letters lg for looking glass
she's indicating to me that they knew
in other words and looking glass is the
ability to look into the future so what
you're suggesting
for that use yeah mj12 was using looking
glass perhaps saw that the son that the
first son of mj-1 was going to die
and planned to
groom you
to to carry on
it's possible in this place it's
possible
but i've never been told by them that
did jay rise excuse me but the hints
have been you know
forthcoming
that that is the reality involved
because i mean even
and i don't know for certain that he was
ever read into the program
god bless him jim my mentor dr jim
reynolds
he was
moved into places that almost set him up
perfectly
for dodie's call my mom's call
that day
to talk with him at long beach memorial
hospital and she has since admitted
she admitted to marcy
that
uh she received a sum of money
there are some not good things here
and uh and
i still love them both
for everything that they've done for me
but yet
there's an
incompatibility now
because i'm still the eight or nine year
old boy in their eyes
that they are willing to try to take
sovereignty away from it it produces an
incompatibility in the relationship
what we're trying to find out though is
how did you hook up with mj1 after that
i mean the first time that i saw him
was at the back
of the uh meeting room at the george c
page museum
when i was a member of the los angeles
microscopical society how old were you
thirteen
14.
so it was a few years after it was a few
years after after i started becoming
really interested
in all of the beakers and the
microscopes things like that where i was
introduced
to jim reynolds at long beach memorial
medical center jim reynolds then
introduced my mom and myself to john de
haas who is then an associate professor
of protozoology as i understand at the
university of southern california
he was also the head of dihaas optical
uh a microscope salesman
who then put me in contact with the los
angeles microscopical society
at the george c page museum
with whom he was associated as a member
as a senior member in fact at the time
uh during the course of my association
with
the la micro society
i saw the former mj-1 walking the back
doorway
i sat at the back right of the room
which was where my spot kind of was
and i noticed him just standing back
there and he kind of just blended in
with the crowd that was kind of coming
and going
and he looked at me
and i looked at him because i i noticed
he was laying a little too long of a
gaze on me
and i was paranoid as it was scared to
death
just being around these bright
people
these were accomplished scientists
zane price was one of them who was the
head of the electron micro lab at ucla
and these were accomplished
people
and i noticed he laid this gaze on me
from the back of the room and he took
his lighter
and he lit he opened it was a zippo
lighter and it had a united states navy
seal on it
and he just popped it and lit it
and closed it up and walked out the back
door i had no idea who this dude was
scared to ask anybody because i didn't
want to look stupid
you know i was a geeky teen
on i find out that he just wanted to
introduce himself to me
early on you want to see where i was in
my life at the time of course the
association was already established
because of the son michael and all of
that business from 73 this was like
1975 76
right in that general time frame
so okay so that's my first meeting with
him but i i didn't really meet with him
at the time he showed himself to me
i understand and you have since
developed a relationship with him such
that his there is affection there and he
does consider you his son
um he treats me very sunlight yes okay
but but would you also say that that
it's his
um
you know he regards you as his son
literally or does
i mean he must be conscious of the
the shift
or the transfer that took place he's
he's he's he knows what happened on
board we've had long discussions about
this okay
um in fact during a short well we we had
an entire night discussion
about it one night you know i'm
i'm trying to do the right things
by everybody that's the only reason why
um
to be honest i mean you
my debriefing
must come out to the public to the
extent that the authentic message the
truthful message of what i've saw what
i've seen comes out
uh and that concerns the
extraterrestrial
issue
but the rest of it
my losing my knees out at maboyer park
and falling at the base of the tree
where my grandpa was that's
not required
but
for people to know
that it's not [ __ ]
that there's a real human being behind
it as messed up as they are
probably more
yeah they don't know that
i'm going to tell you honestly when i
saw bill hamilton's segment
interview with you and you're you're
talking about your relationship with
j-rod and how
you um
communicated with him telepathically
um
that struck me as incredibly real and
from that point on
i was very interested in what you had to
say
because i said this man this man really
experienced this this is this is not uh
this is not [ __ ] this is this is the
real thing
so um if you could reiterate kind of how
you started working with j-rod well uh
he was working with me before i ever
knew it of course he was on board as i
understand i have no memory of him
directly but i mean
as i understand in 73
uh he had traveled to 73
and then uh this is even what i said to
jeff ransom on the phone you know i said
my god if this doesn't
boggle i mean it boggles my mind when
you think about paradoxes to start with
um then he traveled to 73 i was picked
up
and then he subsequently traveled back
to the 53 time frame and
there was a crash
which means that he was held at s4
in 1973 at the time that i was playing
baseball with my grandpa
and that he was also on board the craft
impinging into our time
lifting me up
prosaically man it sounds crazy
but you know it's a paradox i guess i
mean but
um
i i actually came into direct
contact with him
at the uh
end of uh 1990
three
started 94. the other there's something
wrong
with him
um during the entirety of my experience
around him
he appeared
the best that i can describe his off
shifted
almost like
i mean he was physical i felt him
through the glove
there was matter there with me but
almost like he was a ghost
with a body
he didn't belong
he did not belong where he was
um
yet when he would communicate when he
would do the entrainment
um
they thump you
almost it's almost acoustically they
thump you
and until they finally come into contact
with the brain level waves where they
can begin communicating
and it comes in waves it's almost like
pollutes a dolphin
comes in waves
and then you feel yourself pulled in
as the entrainment is occurring that the
perception is being pulled into his eyes
um
very
unwieldy
feeling
but then they entrain bringing bringing
you down to relaxate you know relaxed
almost to a theta state like an eight
hertz type theta state
where you're very almost like drowsy and
they tell you you know they're not going
to hurt you he did that he actually said
that he would not harm me when he
stepped forward on me when we were doing
the old bride's dance as we nicknamed it
where i would i was supposed to step
forward to him almost like taking a
bride step up the aisle
and then he did the thing back to me
almost jokingly
but it was so unwieldy because he broke
the protocol
it's like everything that had been
established of trust at that moment it
went to hell
and uh i got so afraid there was a
an animal response in me at that moment
a very very human animalistic response
of get me the hell out of here and i
stepped backward and fell backward onto
my back
and that is really what i perceive
myself as doing and i said to jeff i
said
i felt like i was a cockroach you know
lying on my back in there
and he walked up onto me and i heard
them yelling fire the repress
they were going to intumes him they were
going to hurt him so that he wouldn't
hurt me and i was trying to yell no and
i'm not even sure
to this day if i really yelled no or if
it was just in my mind
the stress was that bad at the moment
um
and he walked literally walked
up onto me and sat on my chest he didn't
knock me over i mean there was i think
ron or a couple other people said oh you
know he knocked you over in the uh in
the clean he couldn't knock me over
he was too weak
uh to knock me over he he even if he
wasn't given his size he couldn't have
knocked me over and how tall was he
just a little over
three feet hunched down
almost four feet if he was to be
extended out lengthwise if he would be
lying on his back and extend it out
lengthwise but the malady
the the the pathologies
uh under which he was suffering
caused him to
have um
weakness
change of gait change of stance
where most of the time he was extremely
hunched over forward and he really
couldn't stand up straight when he would
walk he would wobble and kind of
shuffle
so he got on your chest he walked onto
your chest or sat on your chest he was
actually sitting on my my
um abdomen area but he was leaning
forward with his hands onto my chest was
he down so he was communicating at that
moment that he wasn't going to hurt you
yes he said i i i won't hurt you be any
he called me biennie
and that goes to it
he
broke english up very strangely
um
and you heard this in your head i'm
assuming i heard it i wasn't out loud no
i heard it in my head
in my own introspective voice but
clearly not coming from me
um you know the sound of yourself when
you talk to yourself self-talk
it's the same sound
except
it's the wrong linguistics it's the
wrong wording you can tell it's not you
and initially when that happens too
there is a uh uh from my perspective
initially when it was happening there
was a very panicky feeling but of course
that initially happened when i was part
of the b unit team when stephen was
still going in
to the clean sphere he looked at me
through the clean sphere and spoke to me
and said i remember and hello meaning he
the person who it was uh you call what
what is his name again
the j-rod looked at you
kyla looked at you when you when steve
was in the clean sphere with him he
turned around and looked at you yeah he
turned around and looked at me i was
part of the b unit team to start with in
fact that was going to be my actual
occupation in there was assisting the
chief scientist and going into the clean
sphere until he identified me as
somebody i guess special to him kyla
and he wanted me to be the person to go
in there that's why i was promoted
ultimately to the working group leader
in there because i didn't have the
background did not have the seniority uh
and it was not my place
um
but that's why the the promotion
happened okay so
what a lot of promotions
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um he's so he went on to your chest he
told you he wasn't going to hurt you did
they did they actually zap him then or
did that i don't believe so because i
would have felt he he began to entrain
me
immediately
and strongly and he relaxed me the the
encephalins the endorphins were
going big time
they they train on several levels and
they're able to relax you by actually
flooding you with natural opiates
high
right so what happened after that you
i'm assuming
you receive
as you're going through natural death
process
yeah when you naturally
feel you know
um but okay so but what happened after
that
uh after that i began to sink away from
what was going on
in the clean sphere
and with a panic that was going on over
the radios because i heard them there we
had two separate units in a unit and a b
unit on the radio there were like
separate uh radio frequencies and i
could push the button and talk
independently but they were stepping
over each other screaming saying get the
secondary unit ready to get me out of
there they were going to enter in
to pull me out and you can't just
step in there that quickly i mean
they've got to suit somebody up bring
them in and you knew before you were
going in there that the j-rod
uh we were trained that they were a
threat
so that we were not supposed to
communicate privately with them or
anything like that that we had a certain
job to do and we were to get it done
and that was the scientific job of
removing the the samples and then the
study of the samples for for the back
engineering these are the the
reversing like chemicals the idea was to
reverse uh his an illness that that he
and his people have yeah we were 52 the
52s and and what we were trying to do
initially jumping off onto the biology a
little bit what we were trying to do is
we were trying to actually strip the
exterior cytoplasm off from the cells
and and
produce cells which would be
independently functioning
then to understand those cells
biochemically genetically so that those
cells
could then be re-added as a graft
into the j-rod to attempt to ameliorate
the the neuropathy
that's what one of the the the stated
goals was
easier said than done
but um
so okay we were told though that if
something would go wrong
in there
there would be no immediate
fix
you weren't a million miles away
but you were several thousand
when you were inside there
so you were very alone even though you
had radio communication it was
essentially being isolated on space
shuttle if you will
and not that easily you know easy to get
you home
uh because they had to do all of the
repressurizations of the gantry
bring somebody new in then get you out
then get you uh detox the the the
cleansing
um the decontamination and then get you
out of there then get you out of the
suit then give you medical treatment so
we're talking
a couple hours
so if something goes wrong in there
and they're potentially able to harm you
because of the the entrainment
you're dead
and that's
you accepted before you ever accepted
going in there and but to a large part
it wasn't
you know it wasn't bravado on our part
saying it's no big thing but you had to
accept that just to work inside the
facility
um
you knew that if there was a um
a contamination
if the alarms started going off the old
joke was get a straight back chair and
lean way over and kiss your goodbye
it was over because if the alarm started
going off
you were sealed
into the facility
and they were going to pump the gas in
and fire the fuel air device
boom
that's what the that's what the
explosive valves were for the so-called
escape tunnels
uh for you to get out in case there was
an emergency those were blow off vents
so they could
blow off and explode the facility
blow off out of the the papoose range
and keep the remainder of the facility
intact
so but your experience with the j-rod
and
the other ones you've met have has
basically was it were you afraid for
your life at any time
in other words i was afraid for my life
when he stepped toward me absolutely i
was
at that moment but it was a very
transient um you know there's a very it
was an ephemeral
moment
um
how did you it passed off very quickly
because biochemistry helped me calm down
when he betrayed me how did you feel
though in your
sort of interactions with him um in
other words do you feel that you said
you didn't remember knowing him
in the original meeting
in the spaceship right right but he
remembered clearly he remembered so did
you feel that the your french you
actually developed a friendship with
what
we did
and that it grew over time or did you
feel that it was instantly there
that's a good question
i'll say that i felt a kinship to him
all along from the time that he first
looked over at me
um and that may have been a consequence
of me being picked up in the park
that may have been
my trust in what he was saying to me
grew over time because i remember asking
you that
yes specifically asking my my trust
grew over time
but there was
and i think that may have started
because of the of the the pickup in 73.
uh i think
but i'm trying to survive it
um there was a a pickup of the the
jovial nature of our friendship over
time certainly
uh because i've got kind of a strange
sense of humor
and he was able to
um
be friends with that kind of same weird
sense of humor
where he would look over at me he would
tell me that what his behavior was
because i couldn't tell when he was
happy or when he was sad because of
physical
characteristics that easily
um you know you can you can tell fairly
quickly with it with a human being from
now if they're happy if they're smiling
at you but i couldn't tell if that was
pain or
what it was on his face until he
specifically informed me that that's his
smile that's his laugh
as that grew and my my my relationship
with him grew i became more attuned to
his physical responses as well
and i think that picked our friendship
up
as well because um
i'm more
associating with another human being
with the physical reactions as well
you know in the communication
and they were less so
so
that was difficult
that was very difficult until i became a
tune where i became more relaxed you
know what his physical responses were
when i knew he was laughing after that
then that got me into trouble
um with the folks in the facility
because i reacted naturally to his
physical responses
and so i would smile or whatever over at
him and they would say
what is transpiring between you two i
hear come over the radio
sometimes i would out now lie to them
and say nothing
because i was afraid i have i did i had
a fear of losing his friendship too
because i wanted to learn more from him
and so i was willing
and these are the same people that you
know will point the gun
at me with very little compunction
against it i was willing to befriend him
too
because
he was a captive there
as i was feeling too
a captive within majestic
because i had been brought into a
program that i had no clue before what i
was being brought into so i felt kind of
uh trespassed against too
so you had a camaraderie in that sense
yeah we were both prisoners in our own
right did you think that he he had the
ability to uh
protect you
no
i in fact it was if anything it was the
other way around
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um
i was covering for him
and a lot of his anger
because he had anger in him too
and pain and anger as a result of pain
from the samples being removed
i was covering for him by not telling
them of the anger because then they
would have followed
an operant conditioning protocol that
had been set in against him
to penalize him
so i was actually protecting him so but
as a human being for christ's sake i
mean it
if you get stuck with a needle enough
times
you get perturbed
and when you're being treated like crap
on top of it
a prisoner is a prisoner
in what way was he treated like crap
if he wouldn't respond as they told him
they would fire a repressed valve and
change the pressurization in the clean
sphere
causing
mild to moderate intumescence a change
of pressure in his skin
because he was of lesser density
physical density as in as in
a weight per volume that density uh
and the reason why i'm clarifying that
is i've heard a lot of new agey
comments about
fourth density and i don't know about
all of that
as in weight for volume type density he
was he was less dense
physically than we were
his bone structure was less dense
than we were so whether it would fire
the the repressed valve or they would
intune him it would cause him great pain
and i was screaming no and i think you
know the time that he stepped up on on
to me i think they thought the better of
it at the moment because he was clearly
and training me at that moment so if
they would have fired
the the pressurization
at that point
i would have felt the pain that he was
feeling
and it might even kill me i don't know
you developed a
from what i i understand you developed
like the movie e.t
um you developed the ability to actually
feel his pain
i well it wasn't even it wasn't even
developed it was immediate oh it was me
um
the
the thing which was developed and i'm
not sure i'm not sure it may have
actually been some sort of a
neurological habituation
i'm not certain
of that
but the thing which was developed
was the inability
to
disentrain to break off
from him
um even when you left the clean sphere
in other words regardless
within within
a certain range within you know like a
15 meter
range from him
um for example right
i could
right now could you feel his pain no
if you wanted you to feel it could you
no i don't believe so i don't believe
that they're uh
capable i mean you know we're talking
now we're talking time difference
his lack of a physical existence in our
reality
and even if we're talking no time
difference we're talking about a linear
distance of how far between here and
reticulum good god
no
he's back at reticulum now yeah
as far as i'm aware
personally
my stomach is growling i must be getting
hungry
um right okay as far as i'm aware that
to where he returned to that's the best
information i have and frankly from the
time that when it happened in 2003 they
they
they don't even want to discuss the
matter with me because uh it's a real
sore point
i didn't know it was not you pushed him
through a time
i pushed him into one of the stargate
units yeah
into the gray patch uh between the posts
yeah
and that was the end at the end of your
relationship with him that was the end
of it's last time i saw him i mean
it was the end of their relationship
with him too which is why they're so
pissed off why were you motivated to
push him in he asked me to
he told me he wanted to go home he
wanted to see his son
so i did
so he was a prisoner but but at some
point you were in a position
i'm i'm thinking this was in egypt
somehow you guys were were taken to
egypt yes
and so was he
uh yeah but over a different transport
he was already present by the time of my
arrival there was a communication
protocol going on he was communicating
something i was never really told
all i was told
was that there was a problem with his
communication and they wanted me to be
there
to cause him
to relax or whatever to facilitate the
discussion
and so they wanted me basically there
as a
as an adula theatre as an idol of the
theater they they wanted me present
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um they want to be there
uh as a ruse of kinship
with him and had you and the kinship was
no ruse and that's something that they
they misinterpreted i guess over these
years
that i have
more of a um
a kinship with a present-day human
versus him and and to me although he was
he was offset
although he
appeared
different that he didn't belong he's
still a human being and a human as a
human as a human to me
uh
so i had a a true friendship with him
there was a true affection there between
the two because he was showing me things
from his childhood and i was showing him
things from mind and we were actually
enjoying each other's
experience of each other
a friendship
um
it was a true friendship and i don't
really think that majestic ever regarded
it that way they feel themselves so damn
superior
or that we're superior to them
and uh maybe it's a reaction
i don't know maybe i'm rationalizing it
that it's a reaction
to the to the p-45s feeling that we're
inferior
the so-called rogues feeling of us maybe
it's some sort of a railing against that
or a reaction against that that they
develop the attitude i don't know but i
know that i wasn't superior to him and
he wasn't superior to me
much brighter but we're still just human
beings and just because somebody is
brighter than somebody else it doesn't
mean they're superior
so in
i'm just trying to figure out why in
egypt you he was there i'm obviously
doing some work with them he was there
as part of of a communication program
that they had ongoing
after our program and well way after
almost a decade
in the first 10 years well i mean you
know it had ended in 96
and we had some more briefings in 97 but
that was about it so you're saying that
you this happened recently that you
pushed him into the stargate it happened
at the end of 2003
and um
you know i i could tell
from um
the relationship
with him that he was being honest
with me
now
again there have been those that have
criticized and said well look
this guy is 52 000 years long and
an evolutionary line
which does not necessarily make him
smarter but
certainly not better if you look at the
the the the pathology but
uh that he had the ability to use a
human being to lie
yep and we talked with each other about
lying and majestic never knew that
but he told me about things which would
be happening in the future
uh inconsequential
generally inconsequential things
and then there were some very
consequential items
but some generally inconsequential
things that happened subsequent
which told me
not only was he from the future that he
had access to future material because
nobody could have predicted
conversations
but that he was being honest with me as
well i could feel his heart
and um that's all we can really do
you know they they they turn it into a
joke on coast to coast
coast the coast am challenge with bill
burns and george nori will you step up
to the plate and take this polygraph
exam no
because polygraph doesn't work
if a polygraph worked we wouldn't need
juries
we judge other people other human beings
by their honesty
by
empirical
data and evidence as well
but by their spirit as well
and
the spirit that i judged him by was what
i was feeling from him from his heart
from his mind
and i i judged him by his relationship
with his with his child by how he
regarded his mother
by all of these things that we
choose to regard
in the human family
to make decisions about each other
the same things i mean these common
things were still present
there were very you know many uncommon
aspects to their society
uh to the to the negating of emotion
and the the negating of personal names
out in society but still being carried
within families there was a common theme
to the to the human family which was
still extant in his time
and
i used that as part of my
prudent discernment of him or god i hope
it was
that he was a good human being
so
you assisted him in in going through the
stargate i pushed the segway type
transport set on the stroller uh they
looked like a bell jars almost
over the top of segway type strollers
where you could you know
almost waist waist height
where the the bar was where you could
push it in whatever direction and it
took very little effort to move it
uh and he asked me to go home
um so you pushed him and what happened
to you when you pushed him
i pushed forward then the next feeling
was a feeling of numbness
i
for a brief moment i thought i really
screwed up maybe killed myself or
whatever because i literally felt numb
everywhere then i remember a flash of
gray
and then i was seated
coughing
on a block about 20 30 meters away maybe
and i had people rushing up to me
still
over dramatically
actually cocking an automatic firearm at
me
screaming at me and i was grabbed picked
up from the uh the block and taken over
and said you know you're under arrest
and
i mean i committed a violation of uh the
protocols and uh
um
you know i was being threatened with
weapons to my head and things like that
so how did what did he say to you and
you know or
are you a spy and yeah
i mean you know they were just acting
paranoid no i wasn't a spy just shoved
him into the stargate and he went
bye-bye
uh that's essentially what happened how
did you
how did majestic react after that to you
very angry
uh very angry including
um the people with whom i'm the closest
uh save the one present
um very angry toward me and how do they
act how does the majestic act when it's
angry all right i mean i
i guess let's get back to work haven't
you been tortured i mean isn't this
right i wouldn't
i don't call it torture
aside from the fact that i've been
falsely imprisoned
that's torture
i was uh um for a couple periods of time
put at s4
in in level three and basically told
that's where you are for now
um level three meaning was it a cell
i know it was one of the the rooms one
of the the
small suites if you will which were
originally put in
uh there there's 12 of them
in this trident
there's there's a
three groups of four and um
i was put in uh bay unit one over to the
left and uh
it was essentially i mean it you know
contained all the amenities i could ask
for food got anything i wanted except i
couldn't leave there was no freedom
um
i consider that torture
the other items are acts of unkindness
and acts of unkindness from a majestic
can range from everything from
psychological unkindness being rude to
you
to being threatening to being physically
harmful
and i have been beaten i have been
slapped
i have been physically restrained
meaning handcuffed
and beaten and slapped
i have been put under uh lights well
hell i had friends doing that to me but
i had uh you know put under intense
lights and
while being handcuffed
as in interrogated
i have been told to shut my mouth to the
point where
two people grabbed me one shoved me down
onto the floor of a garage and the other
one stomped on and broke my hand
so and these were the members of
majestic that carried out these attacks
yes
not the j numbers these are operatives
operatives as in security personnel yeah
i see
so not the not the one through twelve
but oh no
none of them have laid uh an unkind hand
on me ever
um
great affection if anything
out of them but they were under there
one can show great affection to a path
these okay so you were viewed as a pet
by some of them but you were also i'm
not saying that on their orders i'm not
saying i was viewed as a pet i'm saying
i don't know what's what they're truly
carrying in their hearts
in their minds
and so there exists a possibility that
affection can be granted either honestly
or disingenuously
it can be granted
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person to person on the same level
or
as an act of
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condescending
well
let's back up a tiny bit
well we just did she brought up the name
tenet
uh george tennant
oh i better watch my mouth mm-hmm
that's the way i hit that he started
talking here too much i know george
tenet was a former uh director of
central intelligence for the united
states of america now we're moving on
okay
um
so
but what you were saying about majestic
has has got me interested
sorry
that's okay um
you're basically saying that majestic is
operating
as independent of the government is that
correct
or are they operating
yes and no
they were they were um
set independent
of direct uh presidential authority as
far back as the late 40s
however
there's more than one individual who
sets
who has set as a member of the 12
who are intimately involved with the
united states government to include its
highest levels
okay and so those people were actually
okay
it's time to put the tap dancing shoes
on
okay those people were actually ordering
you to be um as a result let's say of of
this over you know sort of overstepping
the line pushing j-rod into the stargate
they were ordering you um to be
uh sequestered to be uh beaten or armed
in some way by the time that happened
all the beatings happened prior to that
by the time that happened there was
basically they didn't know what to do
with me
it took everybody
so by surprise
me too
what i did
they didn't know what to do and so they
really didn't
i mean you know i got hauled around
there at the site for a while and i got
hauled back here to the u.s
but i was basically after that you still
go home they didn't know what to do so
is this why you've been released from
majestic is because of this incident no
um
it was coming near the end of my time my
usefulness basically anyway aside from
um
being a
uh almost an elder statesman with them
because i've been around for like 20
years
um
my physical
condition has gotten worse
not well
physically
um so i would not be of any use inside
of a laboratory okay but why why is
there i understand that there's been
some kind of adjournment
um and now there's a new body and it's
not going to be comprised of the same
people as the old body
um so why
why have they changed my mind
what's the motivation there's a uh
a switchover between two secret
societies
going on
one is handing rings over to the other
and it has been long planned however
it's not been long known by me
but it's been long long planned probably
decades
uh i'm certain it has to have been for
decades the majestic is ruled by a
secret society is what you're saying
well majestic has
uh been
the most famous
uh
next to probably the freemasons
secret society of itself and there are
many of the freemasons who inhabit
uh
the majestic
as
a consequence of their relationships
the two things are happening at the same
time and so their philosophies then
uh the philosophies of these associated
secret societies like the the scottish
rite in new york right are then imparted
into the secret society known as the
majestic um so what's the quarrel
between you bring who you are to
wherever you are
sure but what's the quarrel between say
the majestic society or group
and
the illuminati
uh that is a
real good and it's the the best question
to be asked
even more importantly than the
differences between the j-rods because
this impacts us i think uh now
many members of the upper echelon
and i don't mean the hard-working people
who work on construction sites for god's
sakes
but many people who are in the upper
echelon
of the
masonic movement
both york and scottish rite
have
accepted a philosophy
which is
luciferian in context and history
many of the people who are not directly
then involved
with the majestic were also associated
with that luciferian philosophy
have rubbed up against each other
for decades
probably even longer
so
somewhere along the line
in history there was a schism
between those individuals who have
accepted a luciferian
uh history luciferian philosophy
mixed with other secret society people
who have not that ended up
in the majestic
and people who have accepted a
luciferian
almost like a different uh denomination
if you will
accepted a luciferian philosophy
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um who are not associated with the
majestic
in other words we've got dirty coins on
both sides
okay
and when you say a luciferian philosophy
uh meaning meaning a materialistic
uh and for lack of a better term when it
comes to the actual european illuminati
satanic
uh philosophy where they've given their
lives their families their sacred honor
to the this satanic thought of uh
creating a
world order
under the person that they consider the
true god which would be
a luciferian figure now these people
have also
separating them from the dirty coins in
the majestic side
these people have also
been
accepting of the influence of the p45
rogues
who want to justify their own history by
our demise
of moving from timeline one over to
timeline two the catastrophe
and so
the differences between
the majestic group
some of which there have been these
luciferians mixed in
and the true illuminati group they
they're not even really true illuminati
i mean that's a word that comes back
meaning enlightened ones and these
people are not enlightened they're
simply under the influence of a false
light
um
that that
the differences between the two then
have
raised itself to rancor
even though they share much in common
with each other however on the majestic
side
you have a lot of guard god fearing
people too
a lot and and i'm not talking about
specifically here the 12 i'm talking
about the lying
people the people that we've worked with
good people good people to the to the
bone to the soul
who who want nothing but but good for
the world
so
basically what you're talking about is
there seems to be an alliance between
for lack of a better word the so-called
illuminati group that that is satanic
um followers
um
and the four p-45s what you call the
p-45s
and the majestic group which even though
it has some members from the illuminati
basically is siding with the p-52s yeah
i wouldn't really call them some i would
say that they they
they are freemasons
who have accepted the luciferian
influence in other words i personally
disagree with it the luciferian
influence but they're still acting
as good people
for the benefit of humans benefit of
humanity exactly and then there are some
that i have interacted with who are
involved with the
so-called true illuminati in europe
that are god-fearing people too
there's dirty coins and there's polish
coins on both sides
uh however
however the dirty coins
make up the vast majority of the group
on the european illuminati side
okay
so
what is now let's get to the timelines
and explain just briefly since this gets
over into the future and 2012
what the p45s meaning they are from the
future 45 000 years ahead of 45 000
years ahead
on a separate timeline than what we are
presently on
or
a timeline that we could transition over
to
from where we are now
so
if we are to accept that we transition
god forbid
from timeline 1 to timeline 2
they would be considered 45 000 years
and 52 000 years respectively ahead of
us
the individuals who
dumped near roswell new mexico
back in the 40s
were approximately 24 000 years ahead of
us in timeline 2.
and that was a mission return in earth
to earth time time travel
mission that
we're on timeline one i'm assuming
you're saying
and we're headed for 2012 and
theoretically
a catastrophe that may or may not happen
right around now yeah right around now
and this catastrophe has this got
anything to do with planet x
i don't know
there is the most honest answer i can
provide you i know a lot of lore
about a rogue
planet
coming in
however the material that i've actually
seen
on a
repetitive
um
crossing if you will of earth with
catastrophic influences
happens not only because of a matter of
physics
of rogue and i don't mean this tour like
j rod road but rogue crossings near
earth asteroids or comets
what i have heard
is that to precipitate
the catastrophe
there would be as we pass into the plane
of the milky way
some sort of energetic
burst
through the plane of the galaxy
by virtue of wormholes that are
traveling that travel through the plane
of the galaxy from the center of the
galaxy which have been depicted in
ancient lore
called the the serpent rope
even of
the ancients
uh and that the serpent rope would
return at the time of the end of the
mayan calendar
uh revealing
and there are several perspectives as to
what it will reveal
um
but that during this same time the
history of the jayrod's record
that
this burst
will cause a disruption in the sun
and that
concomitantly
with
uh energetic bursts from the sun
and from the wormholes which would be
passing through our planet
that there would be
a disaster
provoked
by virtue of
these
time travel
devices
the stargate devices
and the
time viewing devices the looking glass
devices
spontaneously turning on
and directing an inappropriate amount of
energy into the crest of the earth
precipitating a geophysical disaster
this geophysical disaster in accordance
with the history of the j-rods and
iran's
record that over 4 billion 157 million
die
over a several year period
by virtue of a geophysical shift in the
crust
so this is this is what
i can't it's trying to be someone want
to think of numbers that way is trying
to be prevented is this right yes
very true and how how is it going to be
prevented uh by the
disabling
and the destruction of such technology
that we will naturally then pass through
this
serpent ropes
the bursts will occur
whatever that means then i haven't
physically seen it
but the bursts will occur
and
there would be
an importing of energy to our planet
that will
gradually
naturally
cause changes in the human species and
the life on our black
and that these changes would be positive
um
changes to our people and i i frankly
think
that it's already happening
there's a rise
worldwide
in in
and i don't think it's just a given size
the population increase
but there is a rise in very spiritual
talented
people
um there is a rise in
uh savants the the um the indigo
children it's a definitely from what
i've seen from reading about them
a real phenomena
these children are of a new time
and i think they're of the the time
one timeline time
we're seeing
i think in these children these these
great kids
an expression of what we will be
in our own future our next kind of step
ahead you're not looking millions of
years ahead or anything like that but
our next step ahead
and and it's a wonderful rise in
consciousness that um i think will
precipitate the next renaissance
for our people i see it happening
the the numbers that we received before
the looking glass was shut down
dismantled
uh was that there would be a 19
probability with an eighty-five percent
confidence that the disaster would occur
that there would be a transition from
timeline one to timeline two
but
that then means that there's an
eighty-one percent chance that it won't
and so the individuals who want to carry
the the negative are conducive that it's
going to occur are not presenting the
facts
the facts are this is the material that
we have available that we know so what
you're saying is the illuminati to get
back to that thread yes is basically the
side that believes
that the transition is going to occur
from one timeline to the other not only
do they believe that it will occur they
want to provoke it
but but how does it benefit them to to
provoke it why should they want to be
p45s
they don't
the living ones don't they're looking at
the p-45s as as a means to an end for
them they're not going to live that long
they're just going to live a normal
human life and die
so they want the control for themselves
the fact that the p-45s that's how
immoral these people are the fact that
the p-45s are are wanting us
to at their stage in their own
development
have a disaster which which justifies
their own history
is being used as a means to an end by
the illuminati who would like to see
that the population is called
so that they can gain greater control
they don't care so okay so they want for
themselves
there are really human beings that don't
care
or they care that little
so what you're saying is the the
illuminati
want the catastrophe to occur
so that a certain number three quarters
is the number i've heard of humanity
dies they get their history reads uh
about a little over two-thirds that's
what the history of the j-rods actually
read
all right two-thirds
and then what i mean they've still had
to live through
earth changes and cataclysms right
right but these people are also the ones
who have their guaranteed positions in
the safety zones underground facilities
etc and so they are presumed
it is not known for certain that they
are presumed
to actually then be
the progenitors if you will of the
people who become the j-rods
understand
but in a sense um
there is a thought that in a sense the
p45s that side of humanity is
possibly becomes almost soulless
they become repressed
they still have their same souls because
even after seven thousand more years of
development
i i could see the soul i mean as you see
the heart of another human being i could
see the soul and kyle kaila so
it didn't the kaiela was not a p45 no he
was a p52 but that just means that he
was seven thousand years
along the t2 timeline from when the
p-45s
used to be he used to be or his people
used to be a p-45 yes nfp46 47-48 yes
yes okay yes so the soul didn't go away
and then come back it's been there
but then you know what look
you can
say
that some people are soulless
the nazis
how much soul did they have when they
threw
my grandpa onto a car
how much soul did they have we know what
they had a human soul
as black as what apparently what it was
was covered over in their demented
brains
but i still pray for them that they've
even them
that they've been made whole with god
but they still have their souls even
though it was repressed
so like manner of the p-45s have a soul
okay well then what okay you've talked
about the p-52 orions and the p-52
j-rods am i right
okay what causes the split because the
orions i'm thinking are the blonde
nordics they're the ones that prefer to
stay
out of the safety zones
when it happens
they are the survivors who do not go
underground
are these good is this a good
division of humanity i mean the p-52
orioles
division of humanity good
i consider them the more positive of the
two
because i consider the positive aspects
of humanity to be the spiritual aspects
so you're saying the nordic line is
spiritual yeah
extremely yeah
okay
so how does the nordic line
i mean you say they stay out they
actually move off from earth first
the the j-rods or the precursors to the
j-rods stay on earth
for a great deal of time
uh
well after 24 000 years from the time of
the transition like 24 000 years from
now because there were there were 24 24
or so thousand years ahead of us when
they crashed in roswell in 1947. those
were 24s
they stay
the orions move off first to the place
after the the reestablishment of the
society on the surface of the earth
technology is refurbished etc they move
off to the place where the ark is held
which is where
our nearest body the moon
the moon where on it i'm not going to
say
okay um
well having to defend against
the possibility of timeline one
transitioning over to timeline two in a
manner different than i've been told
and i'm not going to be the person who
hands off the wrong information
so okay but you're saying the nordics
are gonna get off earth if
the catastrophe happens
or regardless they leave after
after the catastrophe yeah presumably
several thousand years after it happens
several thousand
years i was getting the impression you
were talking about them going on
spaceships or something no they move off
to the moon several thousand years via
spacecraft they get to the place where
the ark was held
and they re-established a new community
from there they move to mars
from mars out to orion so they're
[ __ ] a lot of time here the face on
mars is is this this are we looking at
something that was left behind by the
nordics
so we're looking forward i know we're
looking forward to our future when we're
looking at it
we're looking at a paradox
of their ruins which they left
on another planet in the in our future
in our future in our possible future yep
okay well to come back to this she's
actually got the best command of this
information of anyone in the public with
whom i've spoken i know
thank you that's that's that's a very
sweet um thing to say it's honest
thank you um we've got uh i'm getting
another question here from our small
audience um and i must say that that
bill ryan is bill ryan
bill bill ryan is also sitting with me
and and and listening to this amazing
information and asking some good
questions
when we're looking at mars
looking at the future now the question
is this i understand that the question
the question of of the day
is that what is going to happen
what is going to happen when the when
the the transition occurs
and we either continue on one
or god forbid number two happen if
number two happens we're not going to be
worried about mars
we will have much more important things
to worry about at that moment
let's say
god willing and i think we will bring in
on timeline one
what's going to happen with our imagery
of mars
i think we'll probably
remember taking images of these
anomalous structures
and there have been some anomalous
structures imaged on the moon as well
so i think we're probably going to
remember that at least i think so
if we don't it's not going to matter now
is it
so what you're saying is we're going to
go back to the to the idea that we never
that there are no there is no face on
mars or there will be
a face on mars and it will be
presented to us at that moment as
something different
maybe the bricks will turn to rocks
and we will get there and find out
that all of these beautiful ruins
including the
the the scorpion
if you don't think it's a scorpion tell
me what it is okay i'll show you the
images
from from star city on the top of this
pyramid if it's not a scorpion tell me
what it is
but
perhaps
we're going to get there and we're going
to find out that all of this
presumed architecture that we are seeing
by virtue of of the geometry that we're
attempting to apply to these images
is nothing more than rocks
that we've never been there
because at that moment because we had
not trans transited over to timeline two
that
we have never visited there until we
finally put
quote-unquote man on mars
but there's a paradox here because there
is
because
what i hear you saying
is that we're looking through telescopes
where we're receiving light in present
time with a few minutes difference
that's being reflected off objects on
the surface of mars but we're actually
looking at a possible future that's
right identity there are there are in
there are impacts into our timeline now
which have occurred this is the
information that i received not only
from kaela but also from from the
material within majestic there are
impacts into our reality now our
timeline now by virtue of the amount of
time travel which has occurred every
time they have gone back in time
they have caused small paradoxes which
have built up as our reality that we now
perceive in other words there is actual
newtonian superimposing
and that is a frightening thing to me
so it's almost like putting money in the
bank though every time they come from
the p-45s in a sense
their timeline
is creating a larger heap of manure well
okay but
emphasis appreciated however
nonetheless it is like a deposit towards
the actual occurrence happening
it i mean i don't know they are agents
of change in a sense they are agents of
changes all human beings are agents of
change but i don't know
whether there is a cause effect whether
there's a nexus between cause and effect
having to do with their amount of time
travel in the in the the uh the super
imposition which is going on in our
reality
and the disaster itself i think that the
disaster itself from everything that
i've read and heard
is a direct um
consequence
of the the technological aspect of uh
bringing too much energy toward us in a
non-natural manner
okay well
basically you're saying there's two
timelines
i mean i'm sure you're aware of the work
of physicists now that are saying look
if you can have two timelines you can
have two million well don't we really
have three or four i'm discussing 24 000
i'm discussing forty five thousands
fifty two thousands in present day how
many timelines are that because these
people moved ahead linearly in their
timeline just because we want to call it
timeline two
doesn't mean that there are other
effects
or or or super uh imposings which are
occurring on different realities during
even their own timelines exactly i mean
there's a sense at which what you're
talking about is
not so much that the p45s for example
timeline won't exist
as it will actually separate from our
reality and become more like a parallel
reality instead of an intersecting one
from what i understand the people who
were just prior which would be us
according to their history to the people
who were just after
exist as a
a a
straight vector of time
so in other words
god forbid the catastrophe occur
it will just appear as tomorrow the
catastrophe occurs etc etc and we move
forward and changes start occurring in
the earth there is a disaster there is a
loss of huge life etc
we won't probably feel anything change
aside from the fact that we'll all be
running scared for our lives
aside from that i have no explanation
okay you're you're saying if the
catastrophe occurs yeah but if it
doesn't occur there's still the element
in which we have been visited by by a
timeline in which which really does
exist in a sense
and how do you unmake something which
has been made
that's kind of i mean it's more of a
philosophical sense i don't i don't know
and all i can do is defer to the creator
on that
issue because uh all we do is perturb
what has told you that this is true all
of the above okay it's all of the above
plus information directly from majestic
i think why is majestic in a in a place
to know
that this actually happens or doesn't
happen in other words you've got
you've got the looking glass technology
that they use
and you use
and you're instrumental in discovering
were you in no no no no no no these this
this is an original technology which was
derived from ancient cylinder seals
by people from our future who provided
it to us meaning the roads the p45s okay
the people
that's right we wouldn't have this
lovely technology
if it wasn't planted in our past for us
to use now the entirety of the
technology must either be disabled or
destroyed
in other words to unmake the technology
until at least after we
pass through this time period
uh there is no way from the the the the
deceit the conceit the avarice and the
greed
that i have been around over the last 20
years amongst the good side of these two
dirty coins
there is no way that they're not going
to start this equipment back up again if
it's usable after this
of course they're going to come on i
mean they've got this it's like a magic
box
to try to see into the future what
they're going to do with our future with
with regard to that i've got no clue i
have no power over it and i have no clue
okay so this looking glass technology
comes from cylinder seals originally yes
how uh originally it was a
series of instructions for accessing
the the wormholes which naturally pass
in the hyperspace
which we find ourselves
and from there they worked on the
technology they built the equipment from
the instructions
after building the equipment from the
instructions they began to tweak it and
find different things out about it
one of the things that they found is
that they could actually use it as a
peering portal like a purine glass if
you will
to see different aspects of not only the
future but the past are these sumerian
uh
sumerian i would say that they slightly
predate sumerian time frame but that
some of the information
which came down from cylinder seals that
slightly predated the sumerian time
frame were then re-copied
in sumerian seals as well and those
those cylinder seals oh yes and those
cylinder seals to the best of my
knowledge have all been um
obtained
from iraq
some of them from iraq yes
some of them some of them from other
some of them from egypt some of them
from other countries where they were
being stored
and and i really don't want to get my
country into too many problems here
and and you've got go ahead for a second
it's it's i want to reiterate the rogue
p45s
jumped back
seated this technology
because that's what they wanted to do
was to seed the
seed the land to help facilitate the
catastrophe because by placing this
available
they knew that um it would be utilized
and as long as
we as people
oh my god
they wanted to go back
and see the technology because they felt
that as people we would be unable to
break ourselves away from using that
technology how is it that this
technology
is being
utilized now and isn't if you're talking
about a wormhole isn't it
um the same thing as a stargate
essentially yes the technology is not
being utilized now anywhere we find it
we take it
who's we because you have warring
factions you've got the illuminati in
one hand you've got the majestic on
another we as the we we as the united
states is part of the u.n
nato um
i don't really want to comment too much
about nato and who's controlling the uh
the uh the nato alliance at this point
but um isn't it a fact that the in
illuminati we're doing would be stealing
would be stealing back this looking i
mean if they wanted to happen they they
their objective would be to steal these
cylinders and get them on you know so
that they could use the uh
they can't show up they can't show up as
an aggressor to steal anything back so
what they do is they vote against us
how does that
plays out it plays out it plays out in
the u.n
um well we had looking glass technology
um and uh uh portal
actual stargate technology in iraq
uh as late as uh the start of 2003.
and um
a lot of countries don't want us to and
didn't want us to under iraq we did
though didn't we
right but how is it that in other words
it sounds like just handed his two over
we just told him that we were going to
make him rich beyond avarice and he was
a little smarter than uh saddam that's
all
and so what he did is he handed them
over
and says oh please come into my country
he says look at my look at my uh my
equipment to make sure that i'm not
making any weapons of mass destruction
meanwhile out the back door goes the two
that saddam actually had transferred
over to him
cylinders
well uh equipment stargate target
activating technology yeah for them to
experiment with they were experimenting
but if the looking glass technology is
the same thing
is is access as a wormhole the
technology
it also accesses stargates
well that's essentially the same thing i
i've been using the term stargate
machine that accesses a wormhole by
spreading out the energy the strange
matter or whatever it is i'm not a
physicist that spreads it out in a
compatible way to either communicate
through it or a passage of information
and that includes also but it occurs it
occurs naturally stargates occur
naturally they do
so how do you close those you don't and
we don't want to
we don't want to the history the history
reads that that the natural passage of
us through this energetic space
is a good thing
but it's our use of technology which
provokes
the catastrophe so it's it's our
enhancement of this natural system
inappropriate enhancement which provokes
the catastrophe
and so no we don't want that to happen i
think that the the the energetics that
that we're passing through
is part of what's happening to us
naturally is changing us in a positive
way
it's part of the loving cosmos that
we're part of i think that's probably
one of the factors not all but one of
the factors for the rise of the these
beautiful children the indigo children
uh and and i'm all for it
so we want to leave the stargates the
natural stargates we want
they are leaving those alone right we
want to keep our hands up from nature
pull our hands away
get it away from the fruit of the tree
of life so to speak get it away
and just let nature happen during this
time that will be a good thing however
we also have people who oppose that
because they want what they want with
them
okay so tell us about uh okay well the
men in black family the men in black
yeah part of it is a psychological
operations unit within majestic
and they operate to scare people away
from things that
they've seen that they don't want them
you know further
bringing information out in the
population of the so-called giggle
factor anything above that
they they attempt or have attempted i
don't even know that there's still an
operation to suppress
then you have the real mccoy
the real mccoy is not human
the real mccoy is in fact a p-45 j-rod
they are using
through the use of some sort of sinuous
biomechanical technology
the skin of a dead human
wow it is a dead union
these are the ones that walk up to you
and they look like they're shuffling
like they just filled their drawers
uh
when they speak through
this technology
that they have wrapping around them
they sound very bland
very monotone
and they don't belong you can tell very
quickly that they don't belong
um
have you met one i've met several
of them
they were operating around
my work at sunshades before we were
moved to a different location
yes they're very sallow in appearance
they
thought that it was an appropriate
expression to sing me happy birthday one
year over at uh i think it was uh the
start of 2003.
it was either 0304 003 i believe it was
yeah
and i i did not like being around them
and
they will not think twice but to use
force on you
they will hit you
they will push you one did me
marcia uh not uh
that long ago
got her fill
of both types
both the psychological operations people
who attempted a few years ago to scare
her off over at um winchester park
these were those were human beings they
were just
striking fear in her
uh
and
one actual
real mccoy
um
and um this thing i actually saw at
first it wandered onto
they get confused easily
that's a good thing
uh wandered on to our property
at uh
well we're presently living
and
i was walking home from her apartment at
the time
and i thought a child swinging on the
swing is a swing set out in front of my
apartment
the closer i got
i thought that it was a little older kid
wearing black
that i noticed it had a hat on
and he said swing fun
he was lost in a memory apparently
of the person that he was wearing
and i looked at him and got very afraid
inside because they carry weapons
they can be killed with weapons too
he was not supposed to be on our
property our security
did not do its
real job we're not worried about
two-legged real humans that just walk
around
it's these things
uh so he was the size of a child is that
what you're saying oh he was uh
he it i thought it was a child on the
swing set as i was walking up it was
getting it was past dusk it was dark out
there so he was in normal size he was a
normal size man full-grown person yep
yeah he was wearing all black uh and a
black preacher's type uh hat
round brood
how do you get rid of him
well how do you get rid of him um
well it would be very good if
if a person could actually
often be careful suggesting that
because they are still human beings
um
they took him into security ultimately
took him into custody
just want to be careful liability wise
of making a suggestion on how to get rid
of one of them
but um
um
these people could miss cue right and we
wouldn't want to have a problem and now
say well you know dr burrish said uh do
this or that
um there shouldn't be that many walking
around
to worry about
but uh and it wasn't even sent there to
deal with me it was sent there to
deal with her
and it found itself apparently lost in a
memory
um in the swing set
and i said good swing
to it inside of going
walked in key the door to my apartment
pressed the emergency button for
security
hoping that they were going to respond
went into my uh my mother-in-law
what was going on
she looked out of the window and said
yep
she's been in the majestic family
all her life
she said yeah
then the oldest
got out
looked out the window and said that's
what one looks like it was her first
experience seeing one
i said yeah
and i said doris uh go over here and i
unlocked something and i pulled
something out for her
that's it
while i leave here because i'm going to
do the
hurt bird routine
lead it away because i mean we you know
there's three kids in there
i said i don't know what its intention
is it may have a a
a lethal intention
here and it's just presently lost as
soon as it gets done swinging it may
pull a weapon out
this is so if it comes
near here defend yourself and defend the
kids meanwhile i'm going to grab
something else yes i grabbed a weapon
and i'm going to try to lead it
away
by the time i had the second weapon out
and was armed
it was walking off already
toward her apartment's direction
so i said okay well i still have to get
it in case it turns around because if it
knows where i went into the apartment i
have to lead it away because there are
kids in here there's little girls in
here
and so i walked toward it
past it
walked clear by it and it just continued
shuffling the head
slowly up the sidewalk
gradually toward her apartment
got over to her apartment i said where
in the hell is security so we're pushing
buttons over there nobody's responding
got on the radio nobody responds
i said you have a mib
walking toward your apartment right now
she said amir but i said
an e.t
i said they are dangerous as you're well
aware but
you know sort of first experience with
something like this
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i said come here look it can't possibly
and i want to make sure that it wasn't
walking back toward my apartment where
the girls were i said it can't possibly
have reached here by now
i mean it's walking slowly
and uh so she came out with me
and uh
she went over by the uh the wall
behind a
bush
and she didn't see it initially it was
hidden like in the recesses of the light
as it was walking up in one of the um
the
shadowed areas because now the lights
had kicked on the exterior of the
buildings
all
that and i walked up onto the sidewalk
and saw it
and i turned
my back on it at that point they don't
run
so
i turned my back on it and i said you
may want to be going that way
to mercy
and she said
because she's not the faint of heart
female
she said why and then she saw it over my
shoulder and got her first
laid her first eyes on any tea
and her eyes got about that big which is
the normal reaction
and
she walked
give me some credit she actually walked
from there
back toward the corner of the building
before i saw her break into something
more than a walk
she walked away from that
by then i'm still standing there and
this thing walked by me now i'm
wondering
what
why it's here
and i said hi
and it turned this close to me and said
hello
and then just continued to walk
walked right past me like i wasn't even
there
toward her i thought well okay
it has an assignment we don't know what
the assignment is because it will not
give up
its intention behaviorally before it
carries on its assignment
and i wasn't sure if it was armed or
what so
i walked by it again
this is how slow it is shuffling it
walks like it's got poops and pooping
pants i mean that's
how you could i mean they are they are
clearly not comfortable in the skin
i walked by it again
now i have made certain adjustments to
the firearm i had on me
because i was figuring that whatever was
going to happen it was going to happen
fairly soon
and if it pulled a weapon out i was
going to do what i learned in the police
department and do it well
for prolific
got back to her
got all the way into her apartment
locked the door
and then said i said go get your gun
if it pulls a weapon out
you've been a former cop too
do what you do
and do it well
by that time we were both shaking
figuring you know it was gonna turn into
something very bad
it sat down on the stairway outside of
her apartment
and
it had a bag with it it was a black bag
of some sort and i didn't know what was
in it it could have been anything
and it just sat there
and then it got up
and it walked past her apartment
and now i'm looking at her like that
still no security finally
after it had made its way all the way to
the the
basketball court area
and stood there and looked around still
confused
security came up with its weapons
drawn
and took it into custody
put it in one of the vans and off it
went
it cuffed it
like human being would be cuffed and
they took it
she got a couple photographs off
we actually because it walked down
toward the court
i was looking through the window
and said well there's no way it could
hit us from here even if it does have a
gun on it or whatever
um she stepped out onto her porch and
she took a couple photographs
uh with it it was a disposable
i found a disposable camera it was up on
the bookshelf near the door and i just
grabbed it and it was there that's all i
had she she took a couple photographs of
it
and we have since made those public on
the eagles disobey forum
those are real the real mccoy the best i
could do the enhancements that show one
after another with it you know bringing
it out from the background those are the
best enhancements i could do because the
original photographs that we put up
there too you saw i mean it was just
basically jet black there was no
carrying of the flash and it was not set
for uh you know night speed or anything
like that it was a an indoor outdoor
type daytime camera the disposable
camera but it was all that was available
now security took photographs and all of
in all of that but they don't share them
at the same time i was doing my weekly
reports and i detailed it my weekly
report and i allowed that weekly report
to be made available too where i said
you know the mib was taken into custody
and
no one was injured
but uh yeah he just walked onto our
property assignment still to this day
unknown
well following 20 years of service for
the majestic last october the 12th which
was october 12 2005. 2005 was dismissed
at the time of their adjournment to
complete a
final set of orders if you will
to present the information which i had
learned
over the last 20 years concerning the
extraterrestrial intelligences
to the world or to whomever wanted to
hear
for the last year's time we have been
uh committed to a debriefing
of
my service
since 1986 and even actually before that
we've ranged
to
speaking about my early life as well
um
we're hoping that within a short period
of time dvds will be
completed and this will be presented and
this will then conclude my service to
majestic
with a very big relief and thank god
right now we are presently in the middle
of several different projects
inclusive of which is
project lotus
which has basically been
dispatched and dismissed to me after uh
the years of service as well
this project was turned over to you well
it's been turned over i i don't think
that that uh
the folks from the former majestic are
continuing to research it all i i really
i really don't think that they want
anything to do with it after the
problems that we've had and associated
problems at
a couple different facilities um
involving we'll say
extraneous energy emissions around the
project
um
cause some damage to their equipment um
well to back up a tiny bit could you
tell us what is project lotus sure uh in
in
may of 2001
we traveled to frenchman mountain here
in nevada to begin a
real project looking for a biomarker
for a possible
precursor virus it was a rather prosaic
study looking for evidence for
panspermia
during the course of that initial
investigation we
came across some anomalous activity
uh in some of our data sets
that anomalous activity was ultimately
tracked down to
very unusual electromagnetic activity
associated with silicon oxides
and we have since tracked that anomalous
activity to any silicon oxides present
in minerals
to with the the
the activity is the presence of an
emission
of electromagnetic bundles
containing information
we are presently attempting to further
define
the nature of that electromagnetic
anomalous activity but we have in fact
determined that the activity is
associated with
um
cells within the terrestrial environment
uh and that they have effects upon cells
in our terrestrial environment
up to and including modifying the
genetic material
of extant cells in our environment
are you saying living cells yes
we have
together with these electromagnetic
emissions
that we have defined with
relative precision to date to be
specific varieties of what we termed as
particles we had to call them something
they're bundles of electromagnetic
material
confined discrete bundles
that we believe are possibly related to
as far back as
the ancient pavitrakas of the hindus
uh subtle matter particles
which could be imparted into our
environment and affect changes
thus far we have not
observed negative changes
meaning the effects of these
subtle matter particles if you will have
not affected
our environment negatively
but you have had interruptions as a
result of those particles
anomalous activities yeah we've had
anomalous on
thermal
emissions
when too much or too little
energy was imparted to the
silicon oxide bearing material
we have had unusual drains of
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batteries
around the activity
i have not defined why but but there
have been two phenomena associated with
a lotus that have been particularly
striking to me
as a biologist we've had resets of cells
which have occurred and i say research
because i'm trying not to make it sound
frankenstein like
where
there have been heat fixed
uh yeast cells
which have been used as
offered if you will to this phenomenon
as target cells
and upon the receipt of material of
these dead
heat fixed
uh yeast cells we've had a restart of of
the cells uh
and we have the the photographic and the
so they've come back to life is what
you're saying as a result of this there
has been a
yes
i really don't even like using those
terms
it's it's
out of the book off the edge of the
pizza so to speak um
but we have had a restart of uh
the cells in that location however the
cells which have restarted
from the dead cells are not the same
cells are not the same function
functioning cells
as the the precursor cells the precursor
yeast cells
we don't really know what
uh they are you mean are you saying that
the cells changed and they're
functioning differently after being
exposed to this yes we started out uh
with a essentially a
fungal cell a budding yeast cell
which we heat fixed and the result was
more uh
termed
one would normally term an animal like
cell
really so it actually changed it from
one thing it actually transformed it
from one thing to another it transformed
it from one thing to another uh after
imparting to it what we've come to call
a template
um there is actual imparting of dna
to the cell so we're receiving dna
essentially across some sort of a
an electromagnetic barrier
uh through these these what we call
portals these emissions of
electromagnetic
energy
that that then impart further discrete
bundles of electromagnetism to our
environment so is we're attempting to
understand it we don't understand what
we are truly looking at at the moment
we've not fully defined
uh the lotus as a system
okay but is this
are the the particles
are these the ganesh particles that are
coming through
we've d we've defined it three basic
discrete varieties of particles
uh that we've turned uh termed
alpha uh beta and uh and c type
particles
the a-type particles um were nicknamed
ganache particles
and that's what they are they're
nicknames we had to call them something
so we called them ganesh particles
out of a historical
deference if you will for the the
mover of obstacles
um and
we called the the uh the portals shiva
portals
is an opening or a changing
these are the the
admission or
emission centers if you will for these
ganesh particles and then we have still
another variety of
particle
which we call selkies and marcia
actually named them these are c-type
particles and they basically act as
um
almost like crossing guards
which line the the periphery
of a an electromagnetic magnetic stream
that leaves these portals
and
basically act as as
guards or guideways
um
surrounding the ganesh particles giving
them a pathway
to a target
now the real question i think is is
how is the decision being made
for a target
and we we've identified on on these
selkies would appear to be acoustic
antennae
and i say appear to be in acoustic
antennae
because changes of of input
into this system acoustic changes affect
the behavior of the selfie particles
sound in other words sound is affecting
the selkie particles
causing them to redirect the energy
towards the target or away from a target
causing them to redirect their positions
which confine an electromagnetic stream
or a river if you will
being emitted from these portals
and you know we've wondered what the
portals are they might be micro
wormholes
we don't know uh right now and these are
nano sized portals i know these are
these are microscopic
sized um
somewhere within the the 20 to um
uh well i'd be very transient up to 50
but around the the 10 to 20 micron size
micrometer size
and so they're observable quite readily
under a compound microscope
if the conditions are held constant and
if
they are treated delicately they're
extremely transient phenomena
in other words you don't have a control
over them no
no and in fact
we don't do
any direct uh propagations anymore
uh the last the last
direct propagation was done last
november
and we received it for the second time
in anomalous growth of cells in the
medium surrounding the crystal that we
were using we were using a quartz
crystal
uh because of the the silicon oxide
nature of the quartz crystal
um and we received a
an anomalous growth of cells
of unknown origin
around the crystal
so we do not know where these these
cells were from uh
we've had that happen now twice and uh
we've determined that we're we're
getting a little too good if you will
at the science of propagating these
portals and we're possibly receiving a
negative consequence as a result
in other words those could actually be
um an alien life form
indeed
okay indeed they could be interesting
they could be extraterrestrial
um
right right i mean you know we we've
received a mix
of
very unusual cells which we were not i
was not able to to
psychologically type
uh
and also cells which appeared nearly
prosaic to uh our ocean
here
um microscopic one-celled uh organisms
have to fights
but they came out of nowhere
the material that we had provided
to the to the experiment
uh prohibited a cross contamination the
ability for this to have been across
contamination
so they they came from somewhere they
came from somewhere now
also um
what we've done
is um
a repeat of a a very famous experiment
called the spallings on the experiment
with beef broth
but we we put a tweak on it if you will
uh in
in these falanzani experiments were
experiments designed by the prover
disprove the idea of spontaneous
generation
and so the question is then begged are
we
exhibiting spontaneous generation here
and i i think that we have
uh zero
that this is that this is spontaneous
generation
and allow me to explain why
the spanish on experiment that we
repeated we did it exactly the way the
the famous uh experiment was originally
done with beef broth that had been
boiled but we actually had it autoclaved
so that we had pressure and heat both
acting on it
uh getting rid of all the spore formers
everything that could have been present
in there as a living
organism
we left some open
some closed
and then we did a closed and open
experiment where we applied electricity
and silicon oxide
bearing crystal
to it
and in the case where we had the closed
uh study
done
we received the growth of cells in that
closed study
which appeared
to me
to be neural
cells
and organized neural cells uh to the
point where we could actually tell
morphologically that there was an abab
pattern
which was developing
um
i wouldn't say that i was in a panic
but marcia is nodding her head rapidly
off the camera i was in a near
panic
to
cease the study then and there
so that we weren't
accidentally producing something with
sentience
wow
not my right that would have been a um
an abomination of some variety
i don't practice
the tools of science
devoid of moral considerations
some nowadays i think uh have no problem
no compunction against that i do
um
so the the study was ceased immediately
and the cells were
photographed yes we have the photographs
of them but the study was ceased and
it was it was killed
immediately
okay well this is this is really um kind
of earth shaking
information that you've got here and now
i'm getting it
in a way that that i understand it makes
it very clear
wow
um
thank you dan that was uh quite
quite enlightening
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