bob welcome
thank you for spending some time with us
i know you're busy i know you are very
sort of it's my pleasure sweetheart
thank you i would just like to ask you
about your
initial experiences and how you got to
your understanding of bt and the effect
it's having on our planet and our
governments and the old governments of
the world's involvement so perhaps you
could kick us off with uh some of your
you're asking me to go back from the be
to the beginning honey and we have to go
back 50 years at least
i spent most of my adult life as a
professional soldier yes
i spent 27 years on active duty in the
in the army and i
i had the pleasure of being assigned to
supreme headquarters allied powers in
europe in 1963
which was that time was located just
outside of paris and france
so i went off to my new assignment in
1963 and what was your role in that
assignment well i was assigned at the
time i had a top secret clearance
and i applied for an assignment at shape
because it was rather a choice
assignment sure i was able to take my
wife children with me and we went to
paris
my kids went to high school in france in
paris
and in the summer of 1963 i went off to
shape headquarters in paris with a top
secret clearance
at the moment i arrived
i was assigned to the operations
division
of shape headquarters
and the further assignment to what we
call shock the supreme headquarters
operations center okay which was that
time the war room
so my top secret clearance was upgraded
to cosmic top secret
which was then and still is the highest
level of security classification in nato
right
and i worked in the war room
and then i was assigned to
run the duty rosters in the war room and
we were on a shift in a 10 and 12 hour
shifts
24 hours a day seven days a week
and it was during that assignment that i
was exposed to a very top secret
sensitive shaped study
called an assessment
and the assessment at the time was a
study that they initiated in 1961
they published it in 63
and i got a copy and i was able to read
it and it changed my life and what were
the circumstances of you having access
to this document well i had a cosmic top
secret clearance and i worked in the war
room all right
and when they published the document
they only published 15 copies
and one of the copies was assigned to
the shape war room shock
and because i worked there i had a desk
in there
i was exposed to the document
i had a chance to look at it and it
literally blew my lid it changed my life
it was a three-year study that nato had
done about the extraterrestrial presence
the fact that they were here they'd been
here for several thousands of years
and
the initial study was determined to
decided to determine whether they were
not
whether they were or not
a threat
to allied forces in europe
and was there something that
precipitated this report being made in
the first place well of course one of
the things that caused the big stir back
then is that we in the soviet union we
were having we had a divided europe
the iron curtain had come down yes we
had the nato forces on the what left
side west western europe
the warsaw pact and the nato or the
the soviet forces were on the eastern
side and there had been a number of
flyovers
of large circular metallic craft
flying all over europe in those days
in formation very obviously under
intelligent control
now for a time the soviets thought those
objects belonged to us
and for a short time we thought they
might belong to the soviets which could
have caused a real issue well it could
have posed
not available
moments away
so these objects flying all over europe
in formation at a high altitude
tremendous speeds
and obviously under intelligent control
so this nato study was determined
decided to determine what were they
were they a threat to us
what were they who were they yeah
we found out that they didn't belong to
the soviets and the soviets found that
we they didn't belong to us
so the big question was who the hell are
these guys
and this three-year study indicated that
they were extraterrestrials
from several other planets
and they were here
monitoring everything we did
and did they did they name the kind of
planets did that were involved did they
have any idea in those days they had no
idea where they were from
all we knew during the study was that
there were four different groups
involved right they were all humanoid
but one group was entirely human
they looked so much like us that they
could have sat beside us in a restaurant
or in a theater or an airplane and we
would have never known and how did they
how did they find out about these four
different races
was it a consequence of downed craft
well they
i refer quote unquote they
made it very clear to
everybody
us and the soviets
that they were from somewhere else
and that they were here monitoring us to
make damn sure we didn't start world war
three
that was their primary purpose
now they used to come and they would
land in our airfields they would land in
private homes
well they they landed everywhere place
right so so not just in america or in
europe as well no it was all over the
world huh
but we were all
ratched up there you know we were wound
up around around the clock sorcery
as i said it was a very difficult time
because
we and the soviets were
facing each other and
we could have been just moments away
from another war
well we learned from the study that
these guys
were determined to make damn certain
that we and the soviets didn't start
another war
and over the years they made their their
presence more and more
known
as i said they flew over they landed
they'd get out of their ships and
invite people aboard
and d and do you know people who were
invited aboard at all i'm sorry do you
know of any of the people who were
invited aboard crafting
there was one case that was in the study
there was a danish farmer
who was sitting down the lunch one
afternoon
in a little farm outside of
some little town in denmark
he and his wife heard a commotion in the
barnyard the chickens and the
bark farmer animals began making a big
ruckus
the old man got up from his lunch table
and opened the door and looked out and
this ship had come down and landed
in his pasture right behind his house
and it landed on three legs a tripod
a hatch open
two human looking people came down the
ramp yes came over to the old man and
invited him aboard
he pulled his napkin around his neck
so he was delighted he went aboard with
them they took him for a flight they
went off god knows where he'd gone about
30 40 minutes
his missus by this time having watched
her husband disappear into this object
she got all hysterical she called the
local police the local police called the
military and everybody showed up at the
house and then the ship came back
landed in the pasture
on three legs the hatch opened the old
man came down and he said boy let me
tell you where i've been let me tell you
what i've seen well the military grabbed
him and whisked him away
for about four or five days of what do
they call it
yes interrogation deprogramming him and
all yeah
debriefing him
and he had a ball he had a delightful
time now the two guys who got out of the
ship spoke perfect danish
and he looked just like you know human
beings
we had another case in an allied air
base in in northern italy just two days
before christmas
the ship landed on the runway at this
allied base this nato base would this be
in the 1960s again this was in the uh
yeah the early 60s yeah and the young
young italian
security guard was on duty
and they landed on the runway a couple
of guys got out and perfect italian
invited him to come aboard and take a
ride
well the poor kid was so upset that he
peed in his pants
and was so scared he didn't he wasn't
about to go aboard
and they said well
bonjour you know off they went
the way they went well this happened
again and again and again
and did it involve any military
personnel or
government well the young the young
soldier in northern italy was a military
man okay yeah okay
so from all these reports then and then
the study
what was the conclusion the conclusion
honey after a three-year study was one
they were not malevolent
they were not a danger
they were not a threat
the study concluded that they had been
coming and going for not only hundreds
but perhaps thousands of years yeah and
that there was some sort of a program
underway
involving them
did they communicate any of the detail
of that to any of our powers that be
that you know the ones that would make
the decisions about how the points they
made and they made them very well was
that they were not a threat
that they they were here
to nurture
watch
survey monitor
watch our growth and development
and the idea was that we were a rather
primitive and backward society
and we had
nuclear weapons and we were a danger to
ourselves
bit like kids playing with matches
i'm sorry a bit like children playing
with matches well it's like older
brothers looking at younger brothers and
we used to joke about it
that they they showed interest in us
because
the joke we used to have is we were like
the kids who found the box of hand
grenades yes even worse yeah than the
matches yeah they were worried that we
were going to pull the pins and blow
ourselves up
did they did they was there any
information or detail about what would
happen as a consequence if we were
allowed to
continue on our way to world war three
well they were made it very clear and
they made it clear over the years and
they've still made it very clear
because we still have an intimate
relationship with at least two of the
groups right
out of the four we knew of in 1963 we we
have a relationship with at least two of
them
and they've made it very clear that
we are being evaluated
as a
what you might call a third world
country
we were being evaluated for possible
membership
in a galactic federation
i've heard that before
so that they are members of a vast
federation of planets
in different planets different star
systems
even from different galaxies yes
and that we are being evaluated
and nurtured and encouraged
to grow up a little bit
dispense with our nuclear weapons and
dispense with our
traditional war making processes
well that hasn't really changed we
haven't stopped with our war making
well that's what's so sad about it it is
it's tragic
so
over the years honey
as i said that was the beginning for me
yes
but over the years and the more i
learned and this this deeper i got
involved in my studies
until the day i retired from the army in
1976
i still had a top secret clearance
and then during those years i began to
have
face-to-face meetings
with some of them oh you did i have
do you know the race that they were
well the ones that i've been dealing
with look just like us
did they say where they were from no
they never did they they never tried to
explain what planet they were from
or what star system they were from or
even what galaxy they were from
they made the point to me many many
times that they were members of a vast
organization out there
of of civilizations and planets and star
systems
that are almost infinite yes i mean that
must have been such a privilege and
a real incredible journey for you to
have been associated with this it was a
bit of a shock honey i'd be honest with
you
when it first began to dawn on me the
impact of what was happening to me was
kind of a shock psychic shock
i think this is what most experiences
find as well and of course
again you're part of that i went through
a period of time where i
i literally lost my old world view
my old paradigm literally crumbled
around my knees you know yeah the old
world that i had been raised in and the
world i grew up in
fell apart
and i had to come face to face with a
new reality
that we humans on this planet
are part of a vast almost infinite
community of intelligent life
and apparently we are worthy of survival
that's good to know and i wonder how
that's going to be achieved
well you're seeing it take place every
day
you'll notice that they have shown
themselves more and more and more that's
true they fly over cities
they hover over airports
they fly along beside our aircraft
we have
alien ships in orbit around our planet
that are over five miles in diameter
and our nasa people have photographed
them
and i have shown photographs
from apollo 13
taken on the way to the moon
showing alien craft
five miles in diameter
we also have photographs taken from the
voyager
enterprise in 1980 right when we went to
the rings of saturn
we found objects in the rings of saturn
self-luminous artificial objects
the size of our moon
moving all around all over the place
under intelligent control now these are
artificial constructed objects the size
of our moon
now our moon is
2160 miles in diameter now can you
imagine an artificial constructed object
under self-control intelligence
that's running around in the rings of
saturn
what are they doing in the rings of
saturn
well
the
conclusions reached by the uh
the voyager one in 1980
was they apparently are mining the rings
okay what for
the rings are filled with ice
and uh
broken rock and they're rich in
nutrients you know all the anything you
could possibly want is is in those rings
as i said about 80 90 of them are water
but they apparently are mining those
rings
now we're dealing and i will say this
bluntly and this is the reason why the
lid has come down
it's really why
there is not going to be anything like a
disclosure no i agree with you because
you cannot tell the average person out
there
that we're dealing with a type 2
civilization
because the average guy out there the
ones i jokingly refer to as joe six-pack
you can't tell the average guy in the
street out there
that we are
in a relationship
with advanced intelligence from other
planets
other star systems perhaps other
dimensions
that are type 2 civilizations
that can build artificial objects
5 miles long
2 000 miles in diameter
because the average guy is simply
is not able to deal with that
that's why our government who knows most
of this
has kept the lid on this thing for so
many years and after your um time in the
army were you still being
um
were you still being asked by the army
to to disclose what's your connections
after i retired from the army i went to
work for fema
yes federal emergency management agency
i worked for fema for 14 more years
still kept my top secret clearance
all those years i continued to study i
continued to have face-to-face meetings
with them
and what sort of regularity uh how how
oh every month or two oh really oh yeah
i've had them come up to me at the end
of a conference like this and introduce
themselves
oh yeah
that's fantastic they're delightful
people maybe they'll be here well
they're family honey they really are
they're
absolutely i call them cousins yeah we
uh
we have the same essentially the same
genome right
one of the groups we found out
really had a hand in manipulating our
our genetics yes yes there's a lot of
talk a number of oh centuries ago
thousands of years ago and they
apparently upgraded us from a lower form
from
australopithecus or whatever
into what we are homo sapien sapiens
well that that genetic manipulation is
still underway
it's still going on yeah they're still
tweaking
yes and upgrading our genes
so is there is there um is there any
information that you can
share with us that has been
that you've gleaned from them in recent
times that is that we can share with
others
well honey i could go go on for hours
but i'm not able to do it
my voice won't hold up
no i must say it's important that i i
say this to your viewers
the thing that they've made it clear to
me again and again and again that the
human race
is undergoing a very painful transition
we're going through what i call a period
of adolescence
into adulthood
and i call it not only a transitory
period where it's painful as hell
if many of you can remember your own
adolescence you remember that it was not
easy growing up
but these guys are apparently determined
to see us make that transition
and i call it
a transcendent transformation into a new
race
a hundred years from now
the human race will be so unlike what we
are today
which is nothing in time is it well it's
nothing 100 years is just a moment in
time because out there they don't
measure time
in space time there is no time as we
know it and what what what is the
military
your ex-bosses have to say if anything
about your continued contact
when i first began to go public with
public speaking in 1991
after many years of maintaining my
secrecy
maintaining my
my oath that i had taken
not to speak about my experiences
i finally lost my to my cool i lost my
patience and i said to hell with it i'm
going to speak out publicly about what
i've seen what i've learned
what i've been shown
because it's important that the people
need to know this i think it's
imperative
and i i believe in my heart that the the
thing that i've been doing over the
years
and why i attend these conferences and
why i feel so strongly about them
is it it is indeed
i think contributing to an expansion of
consciousness i agree with you among the
human race
and that is crucial for our survival
we've got to grow and understand who we
are
what we are how we came to be here
and where we're going
and i feel very positive about it and
they have encouraged me and they have
shown me
that our future is
infinite
our future is
beautiful
gorgeous beautiful
i'm just wondering as you're saying that
and i can visualize that and i feel that
there is something incredibly
profound unfolding as as we share share
this information and contact ourselves i
just wonder how they see i can't imagine
let me put it this way i can't imagine
how
the
mass swathe of humanity can suddenly
rise up unless there is some other
impact happen like maybe a solar flare
which changes like it said in the solar
revolution
our
dna so it's not something that i expect
to have in a big explosive way yeah it's
one person at a time
each one of us
is beginning to open our minds
each one of us is beginning to wake up
and those of us like myself who have
been speaking out for the last 25 30
years yes indeed are contributing in
some small way
i i kind of use the analogy of
i light one little candle
you light one little candle
my good friend over here lights a candle
and if we all light one little candle
before long we have a conflagration
yeah
and we will as a race
wake up
grow up
and with our expanded consciousness
we'll take our rightful place
in that infinite universe filled with
intelligent life
we are going to be invited
to participate
in that galactic civilization out there
and i i get so excited about it because
i'm not going to be around that much
longer i celebrate 84 years on sunday
wow congratulations so i'm not going to
be here to see this all happen i'll be
looking at you guys from the other side
we'll be waiting but i want to tell your
viewers
this is something that's got to be kept
in your mind
the human race
is going to the stars
we're going back to where we came from
and that is a glorious future
and in spite of all the difficulties in
spite of all the heartbreak and the pain
of this
adolescence we're going through
we have a glorious future and i want
your viewers to know that and not be
afraid
bob dean thank you very much
well thank you honey it's my pleasure
thank you for your interview i'll let
you get back to your friends i know
you've got loads of people queuing to
see you all right it's a real honor and
a pleasure thanks again my pleasure
honey thank you thank you