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welcome to noctuff and pilot with penny
bradley and today's guest is my
long-term friend
tony rodrigues i finally figured out how
to say your name right
we finally got to meet real world last
november and uh
i'm glad just glad to have you back
great great to be here hi benny
for the folks who
don't know who you are uh you have a
book out series colony cavalier
and i'll be honest i haven't read it
because i'm trying to write my own right
now
and um
i've heard a lot of your videos so i'm
pretty sure i know
the basic story
uh tony was
kidnapped when he was about nine years
old because he pissed off the kid of an
illuminati
and he was sold into
slavery
uh
first as a
psychic
for drug
traders
secondly as a sex slave for a satanist
in
seattle washington
and when he could couldn't take their
drug cocktail anymore
he got sold into a military which in his
case was
what i call noctuffen
so
but he was
in the slave category not in the
pretend to be an officer category
i mean reality is we're all slaves out
there wouldn't you agree
yeah um it the
the people that come forward and paint
it as a rosy picture of something
enjoyable even if they had military
service or military rank uh it doesn't
fit in with what i remember
to me anybody that was really enjoying
the system or benefiting from the system
up there stayed up there they were
locals
and they made they may have done 20 and
backs as well but they were permanent
residents of the series colony for
instance but people that were taken from
earth and put back were not really um
you know treated well over across the
board
no um
my understanding was that we were meant
to become
colonists
once our time was up but the
agencies that that
trained us to go
made sure they modified our dna enough
to make us unsuitable for that
i was flat out told while i was there
that
the modifications while they appreciated
that i could replace a draco on their
ship
that they did not want my dna in their
gene pool
so that's right that's exactly kind of
how it was like it was very strict
they were they were very well
in my case i mean i'm lumping a lot of
things into one spot so i had many stops
on mine during my time
i wasn't specifically just you know
taken and gone to one spot so i bounced
around quite a bit
but the series colony um corporation
was very strict about their and they had
pre-arranged marriages that most of them
opted into they had the ability to opt
out but they were had they were a
pre-arranged marriage that was based on
genetics
that they were doing and um they were
very strict about
who was with who
even though they did encourage uh the
slave population to have a sexual
existence sex um
sexuality to be hypersexual because they
thought that people that were sexually
active were more productive
or you know in the workforce
uh that was that was the rationale for
what
basically became
all of the female
military
were used as as
past around sex slaves in on the ships
that was the standard
and
i know you were kept in a different area
from
the folks working on the ships
but uh
that was there was there was a lot of
sexuality um
it wasn't
you know from the girls that i heard
they weren't like forced into it or
something but it was just encouraged
and they they were everybody was aware
that they were going back somewhere so
that there was there was a real you know
what have you got to lose kind of
incentive
and uh so they really that that was like
we we heard uh
there was there was always a big rumor
mill about who was sleeping with who oh
yeah and that people were very active
and we were down the guys down in the
engineering and uh cargo
and they were missing out on it
um being slaves that command was was a
more of a social uh gathering but
they did they encouraged across the
board they did encourage sexuality so
yeah it's different than down here
very different from down here and and
they didn't care if you were straight or
gay or bi or
any of that it was that's right there
was no state there was actually so
between us between the guys
that were in you know my barracks was
kind of like a prison with slave slave
where the slaves were where we lived
um between the guys we still did kind of
you know you still would get kind of
picked on
but there was no stigma of not like here
it was more like a european um
you know not that i know my way around
europe that great but it was more of
an open culture towards bisexuality yeah
yeah so it was it was a lot more so um i
know a lot of europeans and i know the
attitudes that they've had but i may be
just attracting that type because i'm
less judgmental than a lot of the folks
are
um
i had a grandfather who was gay and
my youngest child was born intersex so
because of that situation i've been
on the edge of that community for a long
time without being part of it
i um
you know i think back to it on how it
was and it was very like i said it was
very open still between men there's
always a pecking order it's more of a
dominance thing so um i think that
that's what it was but you know what we
were told basically
if i'm saying this right you know and we
jumped into this interview we went
straight into the deep water
uh right i always do that i always
but i always say you haven't watched any
of my videos or you would know this
yeah that's why i know
i see you turning red so i i caught you
i'm fine i'm fine well what i wanted to
say was that i i've said this in other
interviews and i'm pretty sure that it
was kind of the standard up there that
there was no
heterosexuality or homosexuality or any
other sexual you're either sexually
active or you're not and with certain
people you're not sexually active and
some people you are sexual with and
that's that simple and that's that's
kind of the what they what
in a nutshell because they we had they
were snippets there were things like
commercials and snippets that we would
see even as crew
and that would come across we would get
little briefings on our on our own
screen
and there were snippets about that and
they were like you know if you're active
you're more productive they would just
say it just like that
and it was okay you're either sexual or
you're not and there's no they and they
they would they were very short
suggestions that would go in and oh by
the way today we're gonna do this let's
everybody pull together team and these
were little things like right when we
started in the morning at our
workstation this came on and we had we
had us 30 to 60 second daily
announcements of what's going on little
graphic representations and then these
they'd hit you with these things keep a
clean ship is the fast ship kind of
thing
and uh
so that was in it you know and we had we
had that suggestion of it but they again
they weren't they weren't trying to make
us happy they were trying to make us
productive and they had all the data at
their fingertips of what worked and what
didn't work for that so they had real
really good carrot and stick um
techniques and they are lifestyle i was
talking to some people i had breakfast
with um
the michigan chapter of collecting
consciousness the simon parks group
so we had they had a thing they had a
thing this week and i went on i know i
know who he is yes
he probably doesn't know who i am but
that's cool yeah i don't know if he
knows who i am either but um anyhow his
group is there worldwide and they're
they've been really good to me when my
book came out they helped me with a
book signed live book signings and i
think we're going to line up and make we
may line up another one but i went out
we all had breakfast you know like 10 of
us
and we were talking about um
you know the culture up there and that
how how things are
different down here versus and um
it was just an interesting uh
conversation i kind of forget where i
was going with this i just had
short-term memory loss
but um
it was an interesting conversation and i
i talked about that that you know i
think a lot of society is kind of dumped
down down here and they've done what
they can to
stunt
human sexuality in our society down here
because it's kind of a roadblock to
to people um being productive it's a
roadblock so they don't want everybody
to be as productive you know
we've been really
really want us to be productive they
don't want us to to
excel they don't want us to
find ourselves i guess is the idiom
uh they want us to be
angry and frustrated and dominated and
controlled and fit into our little cubby
and that's it
that's right and there's a very real
dumbing down of of the masses
just in my lifetime we've seen and i we
were talking about this in another group
that you know the average iq in america
was used to be 110.
yeah and now it's 98.
so it's it's documented it's
documentable evidence that we are being
dumbed down slowly over time and there's
not any real the only reason for that is
just to be
just to make us not a threat on the
global stage for something that they're
going to do for something that they have
planned that's not great
i have problems because i'm
continuing to be taken
and so
i i am in that german culture
for
they usually take me to 4 40 to 60 years
so i'm gone
and then the next morning i wake up and
i'm back here
and i've been that for all this time and
i've been regenerated so i look pretty
the whole time and i look in the mirror
here and i'm like
what the [ __ ] happened
so you're still getting these you're
getting big big
sensations are being taken still
i'm getting memories and and knowing a
lot of what's going on out there and
then i'm
as a host of a show
i'm having to research well who's going
to be my next guest
and i'm listening to all of the
flat out crap that's being told
and
because
you know three nights ago i was i was
driving a ship
because i'm a navigator
i was driving the ship and we were
rescuing colonists from a planet that
was destroyed by guardians
because
we were too awful and
basically the state police came and told
us to shut down and and of course
high command said fu and so they blew up
the planet
so we're
re-dialing going back getting the
colonists and bringing them to the solar
system and putting them in the art cloud
and as we come through the sun
because that's the portal we're being
attacked by
military industrial complex ships
and then i'm hearing people telling me
oh we're having these great victories
where we're beating the pants off the
germans and the draco and it's
guys you're attacking refugee ships
women and children
you're making this sound like some great
heroic operation these are humans that's
that
four generations ago they were on earth
so there's a lot of people that have
seemingly operational info that come
forward and
you know i take it with a grain of salt
on one hand i hope that it's real and i
always hope that what people come
forward and say is like genuine but the
other hand you get stories that don't
match each other
and so they should and so
maybe
but you know what i mean like you should
you
you'd think that things would all kind
of be on the same page the
um
it's like
americans at
vietnamese and the vietnam war
they're going to tell different stories
about the same events
but there should be a thread that com
that is a common ground and the same
event should be talked about you know
the event itself should be would be it
should make sense
exactly
and
we're not getting that
the other thing is we're getting
nowadays it's very cool to come forward
and say i don't know where everybody's
got the star family everybody was like
you know i'm incarnate i was a palladian
and it's they've turned it into a kind
of a cool
urban legend thing that
is not based on any kind of provable
thing
so whether it's real or not that's great
but it's not provable
so
you know that's great but again
where we're at right now in the
narrative of
disclosure where they start they are
still keeping it all from us like
they're still saying maintaining that
there's no life out there that they
don't know what's going on
like we're still in the unknown we're
still on that side of the event so
there's a lot of there's a lot of info
coming through that i feel it's
premature you know i'm not talking about
you i'm talking about a lot of others
there was
a
cia archivist
who came forward
specifically to verify me
and she showed up in the
round table that we did memorial day
weekend she showed up in that and she
looked at everybody's camera shot and
and verified that everyone in that round
table that she had a file on them
now that doesn't mean everything you
remember is right but
that you were involved
i got to ask you penny are you for what
do you think um
because me personally i'm kind of afraid
of the cia right now and i don't mean
afraid like shaking in my shoes but i'm
kind of like waiting on them to do
something stupid
because we're starting to see cia people
come forward and they're
all you know
running around with lightsabers and they
all brushing elbows together they're
telling all these crazy stories that are
that everybody in the ssp community
knows isn't true
and i'm just saying like is this it you
know what do you think do you think it's
an attempt to hijack people that have
come forward or do you think that it's
an ongoing op or
are they just
have extra time and money on their hands
so where they keep keep kind of their
hand on the pulse of of the of the truth
or community what do you think i think
they've kept their hand on the pulse the
truth or commit community since the
uh
ufo flap of 52 in dc
that they have been keeping an eye on us
all along
i think that
i personally think that
anyone who has been a star
in disclosure for
longer
than a few minutes
um
is probably
somehow
involved with them
now i've been
i've been approached
oh god since i came public i've had
illuminati
i've had cia i've had nsa i've had
mi6
i've had russians
all kinds of people
approach me
i mean
we were discussing this earlier that
that over half of my following is in
russia rather than the united states
they translate everything i do and it's
funny because they're having to use a
vpn to be able to even hear me anymore
since the thing in ukraine
but so they're they're actually breaking
their own laws
to hear me and it's like
anyone
who is telling
the truth as they know it
is going to be approached by all of
these people
now i've got
lots of them that are giving me
tidbits
and i'll check it out
so when i talk about politics when i
talk about what's happening between
countries i'm not talking about it from
penny who sits here in california in her
apartment i'm talking about it from
penny who researches and who has
who has
fancy people telling me clues
now are they sending me in directions
where i'm going to find this info
i've noticed a couple of them doing that
so
can i trust everything they tell me
oh hell no
so
i think that's discernment
well i think that's an important thing
earlier you said like you didn't read my
book because you're writing your own
book and i think that's very important
early on when i was coming forward and
talking
that was one of the first things to quit
watching the info i quit watching
people that were talking because well i
mean early on what happened was somebody
would say something and i go wow i kind
of remember what he's talking about and
if i talked about it
it looked like plagiarism or like i was
fake like i was learning it so
i got kind of upset
and i just quit watching everybody's
info because it clouds up the water of
your own account your own memories
so it's very it's it's just i'm somebody
that
makes the videos and doesn't watch the
videos
well i had this lump of
memories that were just swirling and
entangled and they were all in german
and i had no idea what i was remembering
and the only way for me to grab back
hold of sanity
was to figure out what it was i was
remembering and i spent three years
sitting with this stuff
before i went public
so
when did you begin to remember
um i
my memories were activated by an nsa
group
that's right that's right i remember i
used my remember code in april of 2013.
so
in fact the
agent
used the remember code and his boss
spent almost a year afterwards teaching
me how to be a dissident and not be
arrested
and when an air force nsa major
is teaching you how to not get arrested
you pay attention
so i've managed i managed to stay out of
trouble for the most part except my
first
facebook profile
got um permabanned
because i made the mistake of sharing a
album of germanic symbols
so that people in our group
could
work with them to stop being triggered
every time they saw them
and it had nothing to do with the
politics of it it was it was
psychology
because if you're being triggered by
something the best way to
stop it is to slowly expose yourself to
it for longer and longer periods of time
and that and these were
visual aids for the process they were
never meant to be
a political statement
but facebook saw it otherwise
right
uh yeah there's no uh there's no rhyme
or reason to facebook these days uh with
their policies
um
how is i want so i'm curious how is the
book going so i'm working on my second
book
and it's going very slow but i still i
still aim to try to have it done by the
end of the year because i expect it to
uh come together
after i get all the cons conceptual
things drawn you know written up that
i've i imagine it'll come together
quickly but how is it for you it was
very hard it took me six years to write
the first one
okay the first the book that wants to be
written
okay you know there's one that the
people want and there's one that wants
to be written the one that wants to be
written i've got 30 pages of
that's the one that people really need
though believe
the one that that everybody wants me to
write
i've got about 20 pages and it it
i'm having trouble organizing it so at
this point i'm just writing
and i'll
sort it out later
i'll tell you right now don't even worry
about what people want to this is your
book it's your if it's going to be in an
autobiography form of what's going on
and what you know then that's that's the
way to do it because that's i kind of
made my mind up
that's what that is
what
is the autobiography you go through
chronological you do it in order and
you do it all in in fourth grade english
so they can all understand it that's the
one they want and i'm having trouble
organizing it because my memory is not
linear
the one that wants to be written
answers three questions
why did the germans go into space
where did they get their technology
and where did they get the occult
knowledge for schwarzenegger
that's the one that wants to be written
and that's the one i've been working on
for three years
and that's what 30 pages
if that's what you're calling on to do
if that's what you're really feeling
then that's really where you need to go
i mean
i would just let the book be as honest
as possible there were things that
there were things that i went through
that i debated with that i did not want
to put in my book that found their way
in and there were things
that got taken out of the book at the
end because there was because people
seen enough because it's my diet it's
like a diary
and uh they've seen enough peered into
my in into my mind enough the second
book will be a little bit different um
and it's going to be all it's non-linear
the second book is non-linear so after
having the first one the major account
going from a to b
i have that freedom now
and uh so but i'm not going to recommend
you to do follow my footsteps in that
you know make a linear book if you don't
want to do that then you absolutely
shouldn't you should write down what you
feel is the most important
and what's going to do to be the best
for you and because that's what people
are going to like that's honestly i
think that's what people enjoy that's
what people want to read they want to
know the truth they don't want to they
don't want something pre-packaged they
want it as true as it can be
i think that's why
people follow me because like
we've talked about before
most of the public wants to listen to a
man
and
i'm having
people
hear me in spite of
the prejudice
and i think it's because i'm
completely honest and i
i try to keep it 3d grounded i mean i
was kidnapped really 3d i was put into
mind fracture really 3d i was put into a
military situation
really 3d and
that's what i'm talking about the
biggest shock to me is i'm talking 3d
military
in space
and all the feedback i get is religion
that that
shocked the hell out of me
you know because i'm not talking about
anything religious
i mean
a lot of people think that everything in
space is some kumbaya and that's
they think that
you know there are there people have
these accounts of et's coming down that
are highly advanced highly moral you
know like very spiritually advanced and
they think that everything if you ever
meet any of those out there
once
uh once i did but it was a very rare
thing but the thing is
yes they're out there but
most of them are not they're people just
like us i tell people i said it's just
the same way that you would go into the
jungle and you might meet a fuzzy animal
or you might meet one with claws and
teeth it's the exact same thing when you
go into space you might meet something
fuzzy and happy and you might meet
something with claws and teeth that want
to bite you and nature extends beyond
the sky it's the same exact rules and it
just keeps going
so uh that's where you get the people
with the religious context i think a lot
of them have such a background in
religion that's hard for them to let go
and kind of
put their they don't want to accept that
danger is real beyond the sky you know
yeah i keep being told well when when
are the germans going to come back and
save us and i'm like
yeah that's that's my reaction too
so they are dumbing down the population
that the average iq was 110 and now it's
98 that's how they're saving us
yeah
so that's what that that's what's going
on they shut the germans are not doing
that our own governments are
yeah
but you know what i mean they went into
space and they're saying you guys you
guys are staying put you stay here we're
gonna be out there don't worry about it
don't worry about us
that's basically what's happened well as
as a
lieutenant out there or as they call me
a loitnot
um
i was told that earth had been destroyed
in a cobalt war that there was nothing
here we don't even think about earth why
why would we come rescue people that
chased us off and and don't let us back
there was a little bit of that i think
it was one of those things that uh
you know i don't wanna i don't wanna
touch on them
i don't wanna touch on a very hot point
subject nowadays that they're banning
people about but a lot of people know
things that are going on right now in
the last few years that are not true
that the official story is telling us
and people aren't believing it
and the earth being destroyed was like
that on series colony so there were it
was the official story but nobody
believed it you know everybody kind of
had a hunch that it was bs and then
there were so many people that had
operational
knowledge that the earth was just fine
so we were doing trade missions so there
were a lot of people that were on the
earth yesterday that you would bump into
and so that it got the the facts slipped
slipped through so it was one of those
things that was you couldn't question
the official story but everybody knew it
was bs kind of thing
that's what it was like back then
and that's what it's like on earth right
now
yeah
oh we're getting it back i mean you know
dare i say we're in a uh
we're in a scary time they're starting
to ramp up
uh here come the masks again
so they're starting to ramp up the bs
that part of it doesn't scare me as much
as
i had a blog
uh
2012 2013
and i refer it was a research blog i had
lots of references
and i have to go back every
six months and redo all the links
because they're broken because
somebody's deleting all the reference
material
that bothers me because if you can't
find
factual
reference material
you can't figure out how we got here
and if you don't know how we got here
you sure as hell are not going to be
able to fix it
and that really bothers me
um
yeah i don't know what to say about that
um there's a lot of there's a lot of
fishy things that go on when you're
you know we're talking publicly in this
community that a lot of people that are
watching us
are
nerdy
and i mean that in a uh love you know
i'm saying i'm not picking on that but
i'm saying with with that comes the
ability to do things to hack computers
and hack phones and things there's a lot
of people that are in the audience that
have every ability to spy on on us
and when you are talking publicly you
haven't you have interest so i
personally know that i've i've had my
phone hacked quite a bit and there are
things that happen to my electronics all
the time that don't make any sense
uh things get deleted off my calendar
that should be there there it's on and
on and on
so i've i use a paper calendar old
school
pencil or ink on paper
um
i don't have a cell phone
there's something about my personal
energy field that if i pick up a phone
and i use it more than once
it stops
and you can't get it to turn back on
so um i have an old school landline
i um i miss it to be honest i got talked
into a smartphone originally and now i
need the damn thing but i uh i kind of
don't like the the
the eyeballs it has on my life
i
what i i do this stuff on is my next
door neighbor builds gamer builds
and
he says
penny i've got the perfect system for
you
just pay me for the parts
so i got a 3 000 machine for 800 bucks
and
it it does video really really really
well
i just have to learn how to modulate the
sound on it yet
so
yeah it's time i think after um so i've
got a round of talks coming up and then
i'm gonna redo all the electronics again
uh probably shouldn't announce that
publicly but it's true
well a couple of my followers um
bought me a server
and i am
figuring out
oh
i bought the manual
yeah i was a programmer back in the 70s
so i bought the manual i'm trying to
figure out the manual so that i can run
my own server so i don't have to worry
about an it guy
and
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at that point
my plan
is to let all of the
ssp and super soldiers who wish to
store on my server
so we're
we have some place we can access our
information
without it being subject to
youtube or
other
corporations
censoring it
and
they'll just be a small fee for the the
bandwidth because i have a social
security disability and i can't pay for
it by myself
so
i mean rumble charges quite a bit
whatever i charge it'll be less than
rumble does
um
so
i guess go on anything else what other
questions
what other questions you're going to be
doing more
conferences i've got a couple lined up
uh nothing directly after that i think
there might be a couple coming you know
whenever whenever i run out of
conference books then it seems like they
seem to pop up like one begets the next
um i'm trying to stay away from the
expensive ones the ones that don't
pay for you to travel and get there i'm
trying to stay away from that just out
of out of uh you know because the last
couple years i spent a lot of money
traveling
yeah but um
we have some really good ones coming up
uh there's one in san jose that i'm
gonna go to it's a uh based on uh
technology so people that have
experienced the secret space program are
gonna pitch technologies that we've
already witnessed up there to people in
academia you know scientists
to see if they can take the idea and run
with it and kind of develop some of
these technologies down here
which is a brilliant idea but it's a
high speed conference and i'm expecting
to go there and speak in front of a lot
of skeptics and
which i'm up for i'm not afraid of but
it's like uh
maybe i've been a little spoiled the
last couple conferences that i've done
people are very very supportive i get
overwhelming you know they want to give
me hugs and their tony we love you brett
your book is all your stuff so this one
i i i'm kind of expecting just people
they're scientists so it's obviously
they're going to be skeptical
so i'm
taylor making my presentation
i can't remember what it's about they
they are a group of
garage
garage mechanic types
but they're physicists
and they're they're
do it at home geeks
love them they're trying to figure out
how to create zero point energy modules
and
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they have this meeting once a month and
they bring in a lot of us
to talk
and they
when you
when you can describe the nuts and bolts
of of what the technology you saw
they go nuts just eat it up because they
are looking for that one detail
that they can use to make their project
work
and
so don't don't write off the nerds
well we'll see so anyhow i'm kind of i'm
excited like i said that
i'm going to talk about some
of the um the educational things that
technologies that i witnessed that were
different than what kids get in school
and uh because i think that would
revolutionize a lot of things in the
world
and uh
zero point energy replicators med beds
or regen tanks either one
those three would would change the world
entirely well those are things that if
you witness them doesn't mean you can
just recommend how to design one you
know like those are like
so we're in the conceptual stage like
you know the concepts of technology that
may have happened that nobody knew about
and so i'm gonna present someone and
there are other i'm not the only guy
there so there are other people doing it
so
that's a pretty good conference and like
i said i'm gonna structure this my
slideshow and my talk
geared towards people that may be
completely skeptical so in order in
order to just not be brushed off or or
you know when you come out and just say
it matter effectively to somebody that's
a skeptic in the first place you kind of
have to you kind of have to introduce
them and kind of talk them into subject
with some evidence that that's the
problem i have is i just kind of blurt
it
well the thing is i've got i've got
evidence so there's evidence supporting
my my
um account and my book what happened to
me in my book there's a lot of evidence
and i'm going to present that i'll open
with that and with many aspects of it
and that way it won't be as easily
discounted the other things when i get
into the space the time and space
and then the other conference after that
will be orlando in october the um
man i can't even think of these long
names at these conferences i i've killed
my eyes so bad i can look it up i will
but it's in orlando
give me the links and for for the
conferences and i'll put them in the
description when i upload it
sure
and uh that's gonna be a good one and uh
there's a lot of good names there so and
i expect that crowd to be
people that are fully aware of my
information and it'll i expect to be
very supportive and that's
i'll tell you that's that's the funnest
part it's not about speaking i mean
obviously i like to share the
information the information
that the space program secret space
program exists
and these colonies corporations are
working off world
they're very well established and that
there's life everywhere
and there's a there's a universe up
there that we can participate in that
information is very important to me to
proliferate to let people know yeah it
is um but the other thing is getting
getting together with people that
already know this
and that are in the audience and you
learn from them too i mean that's the
best part about going to conferences is
the the people in the audience
have a wealth of knowledge and it's
great to get along with them and just
kind of go and have a great time uh so
i'm really looking forward to that and
watching the other speakers there
yeah the the conference we were at
november
um
that was the biggest
group of us
ssp people that i've ever been
in
physically
and uh
i mean i've been on online groups but
that that's different this was this was
really special i'm normally an introvert
and just sit back and i'm quiet and
watch everything
yeah i know i talk too much
no i'm looking for the name of the
conferences right now
but um
i'm really an introvert and these things
by the end of them i'm just drained
completely and i have to spend the day
after basically sleeping before we can
even drive home
they're exhausting it's true i'm the
same way they just completely drain me
and
i do it because before i did them
people would show up at my front door
now it's like uh
i'm going to a conference you can come
meet me there and be with other people
like us
so um so far everybody that showed up at
my door has been good people knock on
wood
but the idea that they
are just showing up
scared the [ __ ] out of me yeah i think
that's i think i would have to go ahead
and call that inappropriate like if i
had somebody showing up here so i live
in michigan where a lot of people
don't follow the information i'm kind of
out in i'm out in the sticks and i love
it so but i think that's a little
inappropriate i do get a lot of emails
and you know
there's a lot of traffic
and there was to the point where i was
doing zoom calls and meeting with people
and that's why i introduced a fee
because it was just too much to take
keep up with and some people weren't
serious you lead people out that are not
serious about talking to you by having a
fee involved so it's worked but i i
still uh talk to quite a bit of people a
week about it well i i have a patreon
but my attitude is okay if you want to
support me here's my patreon i don't
give a lot of
exclusive stuff there
but
you know if you want if you want to
subsidize my my rumble or or my
internet bill
or
my show
because i pay
it comes
total it comes to about 50 dollars a
show that i'm paying
which is cheap compared to other
networks
it costs money it costs money to host
the website it costs money to have to
upload it costs money for things my show
is the same way and i had to monetize
things
thankfully um it's working out right now
uh in fact i'm looking to expand like
i'm getting editors i'm i'm looking to
expand things because it's going well
and i think that
i think at the end of the day there's
still hardly anybody that's been exposed
to the information that we that we share
that these programs are
i think real
very nice you're right
percentage-wise the population has no
idea what we're doing
uh i walk i can walk into
a local store and people are clueless
my doctors have figured out that i have
a podcast
but i i don't think any of them have
watched it
yeah
good well you know
i i i still didn't enjoy keeping it
separate from a lot of my personal life
uh yeah
you know but that's not on purpose i'm
not that i'm afraid to talk to anybody
in my life about what i've been through
it's just that um
somebody doesn't believe in any of it or
is unaware then they're kind of big you
know ignorance is bliss and i don't go
around forcing it on people what uh
what's going on in the skies above so
um i keep it like that so far so good
it's been really good
people who ask me like i heard you're
into such and such
i asked them well what exactly did you
hear
and and i've i have learned
especially the last two years with all
the
the hostile guests that i've had
i have learned to tailor the discussion
to what i know they understand
and
that was a skill that was very hard for
me to learn
well i mean penny i mean what
you've had hostile guests
i mean that's something that
i don't know if it makes for good like
shock shock presentations of a show but
i mean you i don't think you should
tolerate people that are hostile you
know it's one thing to be um
inquisitive or you know healthy like a
healthy skepticism
but people that are hostile that overtly
you know insult you or give you i um
pains me to hear that
i i've
decided since i had the surgery in
december that i'm not going to deal with
hostile people anymore
and
i
so i've been a lot more careful about
who
i've let
be on my show
and that's part of why i'm doing um
pre-records now is we had another host
on the network who had the zoom code
who was coming in and would just
completely take over my show
and
so if i do it on my own zoom he can't do
that
yeah that doesn't uh
that sounds like a bunch of drama that i
think most people would rather live
without especially watching it on your
show people in the audience
yeah i've i've just
i'm going to do it my way or
i'm going to quit
because if it gets to where it's
constant stress
then i'm not accomplishing anything but
giving myself an ulcer
that's true
so
and i'm not in this to be
some glory hog i'm in here because i
want kids to stop being kidnapped
going forward there's nothing we do out
there that cannot be done by consenting
adults
that's right and uh
i've often said that that it's our
highest crime it's literally our highest
crime is kidnapping children and so uh
you know if that's what you think is a
benevolent
e.t race you know that species that
comes down and in the middle of the
night in the middle of your room takes
your youngest kid out of their bed
to go and do whatever they want
uh that's not benevolence it's actually
a felony and it's our highest crime uh
so that's the situation we're in
when we're talking about all kinds of et
abductions and without the secret space
program involved but it happens globally
there are tens of thousands of witnesses
and people that come forward with the
same thing and it's art literally
mankind's highest crime across the board
is still taking our kids so until
something like that changes and there's
a level of consent involved we are
being victimized and we're in a very bad
situation we're in a very bad place and
so our leaders capitulated at some point
our leaders definitely capitulated at
some point when i was abducted it was
humans in
military gear
they didn't have the markings or i was
four they might have had the markings
but i don't remember them
and they came and got me out of my bed
and
they
drove me cross country
that was kidnapping
whether or not they put you back the
same night is does it matter
exactly
it was a major felony and i know there
were other kids in that jeep with me we
were taken across state lines which
makes it a federal felony and
i was
seriously abused
to the point that i have over 2000
alters
and
that
was permanent
i've got medical tests that show that i
have been spun
in a
centrifuge at some point to prevent
alter reintegration
and
oh yeah
there's medical things that because what
they found with the astronauts and what
they have found through psychology
studies
you blend the two and you can prove
if you've been
in a centrifuge to prevent alter
reintegration it will leave your brain
separated
it looks like
it looks like a form of dementia
but i was in my 20s the first time it
showed up on a cat scan
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so i've had this consistently since i
was in my late 20s
interesting i'm kind of curious
i'm kind of i'm getting to the point
where um
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you know i'm starting to fall apart too
so i'm getting in front of the doctor
more often and i'm kind of curious what
things that to look for that may be a
side effect you know okay uh your bones
are gonna
get brittle early
heat
you get autoimmune disorders
and
they're more common in the women
but they're more intense and painful in
the men
you get
memory issues
because
you've got alters going
and
you'll have
less control over shifting alters
so i haven't had it to my knowledge
problems with alters
so i haven't gone through
that
yeah i mean i haven't had that so
not not to say is there's not something
there but um i haven't i haven't ever
noticed you shifting but that's that's
what
the common
threads are
um
the
autoimmune disorders are generally being
called fibromyalgia but
they involve endocrine shutdown
they involve
kidney and liver disease when you
haven't been drinking
uh
they involve
things along that line you'll look like
to someone off the street you will look
like you're 20 years older 30 years
older than you actually are
as far as your health
but your face will still look very young
the combination is just really
startling
i mean do i look 66
if you don't look at my neck
i thought you were way younger
thanks
um but we'll see things will surface i
um
i think it's moving at a slow pace but
it's moving along i think that
disclosure is moving along um
so we'll see uh and there could be one
of of couple paths that all of mankind
goes down at post-disclosure
so hopefully
we end up with one that we can live with
and be happy with so
disclosure is moving along i've seen a
couple of
possible paths
and
the one i would like to see
is where
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humanity finally decides that we're one
species
and
works together as one
and
my contacts among the guardians have
said eventually we're going to be
offered
the opportunity
for them to parent us as a race
the idea being that our creators
abandoned us
and so we were basically
as a species we're basically street kids
so i always look at it like this like
are we happy obviously we have people
that are we've
either voted or hired to be in charge
and handle things for handle the
administration like the roads and the
schools and
the laws
and at some point um
you know i don't think they ever worked
for uh for our interests
beyond their own interests and so what
i'm saying is when you see society move
into the move into a mode where
the system is set up for you to succeed
rather than set up for you to fail
are we going to go into that side of
that you know like where right now the
system is set up for you to just barely
get by
and they're not really they don't really
teach people to be better
and they don't groom people to be better
they're actually setting people up to be
worse like do you go to school you don't
learn how to use the system you learn
you learn a bunch of useless information
so it's like
makes me wonder like post disclosure are
people are we going to get a revamp are
we going to get a system that fosters
success out of people
genuinely that's why i said it it has to
be based on us being one species because
right now
there's the elites and then there's
there's
there's yeah exactly and the elites
from my interactions with them i have
found they are getting telepathic
instructions from
uh
they think it's an et race
and they
the voices in their heads
are so loud they cannot think
they simply have to obey
and so the instructions are not coming
from here
that connection has to be broken for us
to ever be free
interesting
so
yeah
do i trust do i trust these sources i
don't know
but there are times i can hear those
voices trying to tell me what to do
and because of the genetic modifications
i can tell them to piss off
so i do know there are beings out there
now are they in physical
are they in physical bodies and speaking
telepathically or are they
interdimensionals
basically trying to
influence 3d i don't know
when you hear a voice in your head you
don't know where it is
that's that's why i've never trusted
channelers is they don't know who
they're hearing
i agree i totally agree with that so
there has to be trust but verify so
anybody could be anybody that
it could like you said if it don't if
you don't know where it's coming from
and there's no
there's no then
all of it has to be disregarded no
matter how important it seems
that's how i feel about all of it
i really i'm i like i said when you talk
about people that are coming forward
like you know on youtube that are
telling people what's going on or like
it's a disturbing trend that people are
coming up and assuming positions of
authority or assuming positions of
knowing with absolutely no
vetting or proof or background or no no
nothing nothing supportive at all
and it's they're coming out of the
woodwork these days
i'm seeing a lot of people
who are taking
alternative holy books
okay there's a whole category of them
it's the law of one the urantia book
the voyager series by
ashayana dean
and then they're also
looking into the vedas and some of the
hindu and buddhist
texts
and
you know i went to seminary i've read
some of this stuff
so when i hear them speaking this
i'm thinking to myself okay you've read
such and such
but then they're quoting these books
without giving the reference okay that's
plagiarism
and they're they're
not
telling the public
that these are books they've read
they're presenting it as their own yes
it's their information yeah because
people that are new to the subject are
unaware of the old stuff from
the 90s and the early 2000s yeah and
that's that's on one side and on the
other side
they're presenting a lot of wishful
thinking
i wish i could uh
say this in a different way but there's
money to be made by people doing that
they're out there you know they they get
a book on they get a channel started and
they tell people all this stuff that's
basically just rehashed from other
people and with their own spin and
there's a crowd to be had nowadays you
can do it so
it's really scary to see the ones that
are buying the likes
and uh things as such not a gym not even
a genuine channel so uh
you know we live in that time i think
that like i said i think that the three
letter agencies that we we finally
caught the ride they had their hands
full and now they're
they're getting around to us in the in
the secret space program community
and uh they're really starting to flood
it with a bunch of a-holes
uh i think they've flooded it for a
while uh i've taken a good look at some
of the older stuff and thought
where in the hell did they get that
information
um i've seen
stories that involved both animals and
humans
and the disclosure movement only talked
about the animals they never talked
about humans and when you call
when you talk to the people who who were
doing the reporting and this was in the
70s 80s
and
you ask them well why didn't you talk
about the humans too
and you're told well we were trying to
keep it clean
really
you know
and and
a lot of the things you know you know i
have a pdf collection of of the
experiencer reports
the books that were written in the 30s
and 40s and 50s and 60s and
they're almost old enough to be
past copyright
and
so i've got a collection of those in pdf
and i've been reading them and
you look at their descriptions and
all of the ones that we're being told
were pleiadians they describe germans
you know they're they're in hanabu
they're tall and blonde and nordic
looking and they speak german
they're a palladian everybody's a
palladian nowadays everybody's a super
soldier everybody's a pleiadian from
being told from somebody else that
that's what they were from their tarot
card reading or whatever is going on
yeah and uh it's scary i said this to
somebody
really bothers me is they have no
memories of their own but some psychic
told them
yes and they're public
i said to somebody recently you know
they said what they're talking about the
star family lineage and i'm like i don't
need a i don't believe i was from
anywhere around here
a star that would have a name on it if i
did incarnate here from elsewhere which
i believe i did but i believe it's
there's we incarnate from all over the
place not just the neighborhood of stars
that everybody knows from t-shirts
secondly
to say that you're a palladian
there's over 800 stars in the open
cluster of the pleiades there are
globular clusters around it and so 800
stars
on an average we have 200 and uh but 210
moons in our solar system we have eight
planets so 218 bodies that are
that can be colonized in our solar
system times the 800 leaves us with
about 175 000 worlds in the pleiades
that could be individual
species
that's something else
most people don't realize earth is part
of the pleiades
so well what i'm saying is it doesn't
answer the question to say
you're a pleiadian
or you're a you know like it and it
doesn't matter i think it's like it's a
game that they're getting they're
stirring people up
and kind of letting them
participate enough like it's fun
but it doesn't but what it does is
clouding the water from people that are
really trying to deliver genuine truths
about what's going on
and i i feel like uh
i don't know i just feel like it's i
your star family from where you
incarnated and i'm kind of you're
leering or not drama and i'm kind of
like
okay so what do you do with that what do
we do with this info because it doesn't
make it at the end of the day does it
make a difference in any way
no it's just and i i'm kind of like um
what do you call it i feel like i'm
giving people like brutal honesty that's
hurting them when i talk about it like
that when i mention it but it's real
it's the truth they went through a fad
where you were starcy they went through
a fad where you were a twin flame
and
because of
the trauma twin
syndrome thing that i had with the agent
who i
who activated my memories
i thought for a while he was twin flame
i now understand
the trauma twinning process and and
no that's what it really was because we
were both langley together
he remembered being number five and i
was number seven
they gave us numbers
so um
he was my trauma twin but for
a couple of years i thought he was my
actual twin flame
and then i studied the
historical documents about bashart which
is the
jewish
doctrine that twin flame is based on
and
you don't have someone that you're
having to chase
under those doctrines if that person is
your twin you don't have to chase them
they're gonna want to be with you so if
you're with if you're chasing somebody
you're past the point of twins you're
into you're stalking that person
not your twin right you don't
if you have to stop them they're not
your twin
they're something else
so
i see
so many people that are stalking people
and and crying twin flame when it's just
an obsession
yeah it sounds more like uh they see
something in that person that they need
to heal themselves so they cling to it
to try to heal it in a way you know to
have that person be responsible for what
they can't be
so
they went through
the star families they went through
starseeds and now they've seen
super soldiers or secret space program
and
each one lasts about five years
interesting so yeah
so that's where
that makes a lot of sense
but it's ultimately it's a fad
ultimately it's a fad
and judging from how long i've been
dealing with people with
no memories who wanted me to tell them
what they did um
we're probably about halfway through the
five years
and then those of us who are real will
have less to fight with i think in the
last year so where we you know it's um
the end of july i think in the last year
there was a period where everybody was a
super soldier for all of a sudden it was
like they were coming out everybody was
everybody that went and got a hit
everybody that got a hypno regression
came out of it as super soldier for a
while bro from a lot of people and
they really wanted to talk about it and
but they had nothing to talk about
because they had zero memories it was
something that somebody else
basically
told them so yeah i mean you just can't
go by that that's you know and to be
clear the people that are coming forward
that have come forward that are doing
talks have very tangible memories
that line up with other tangible
memories behind the scenes so you have
to have overlap there are things that
have to happen
in order to to prove and talk about and
so
in my case uh who knows why for i think
there's a lot of different reasons why i
got all my memories back or most of my
memories back from what happened so i'm
i'm an anomaly in that regard a lot of
people have a lot of memories
and uh so who knows why i don't really
know what caused it but um
fortunately i had a lot of things to
panned out they activated that first
altar
and from that point
i've start the others have started
almost like a cascade effect of
once one came forward
and i worked on the reintegration
then the next one came up
and
lou my partner
is
iroquois
and he's trained as a shaman and uh
we have had sessions where we go into
chance together and no we're not using
drugs for this
and uh
we call in
my
alters that are next
and he will sit with me in the trance
and make sure
that what comes is actually me
because we've had
spirits try to do
to fill in
so he make sure that those spirits stay
out that what comes is actually me
and then
i have to do the work of reintegrating
this other personality
but the other personality has to be
willing to merge
i'm curious why do you think they
activated you
there is a group
called accordion
that is
a group of extraterrestrials that drip
leak
information to the nsa
the
group that of the nsa that works with
them
is called the labyrinth group
and i know several people who were part
of the labyrinth group michael lee hill
is one of them
uh karen christine patrick is another
one
they're
they're the two that are public there
are
lots of others
and
they
take these leaks of information and
technology and they give it to the
military industrial complex to
reverse engineer it
now
they're part of the nsa
and
because of what i am as
a soul
there was a job i was supposed to do
and the timing mattered
and they had to activate me before that
time
now it's it's
something i don't want to talk about
publicly
but it was
it had to do with the wingmakers stuff
uh the real wingmakers stuff not the cia
version of it
and
in fact while i was in progress the cia
blew up the ancient arrow cave
trying to prevent me from being able to
do it
and
somehow i was taken to the wingmakers
cave in australia to finish the job
so
but yeah that has been done but i think
that particular
item
had to be done and it had to be done at
that time
and
i think that's why the nsa activated me
i have not found any other rational
explanation
so that one was
confused i mean like i'm confused but i
get it
okay so
but um
once it was done it was done then i mean
you know it started when
i guess when did you start talking
publicly about
september september of 2016. before that
i was doing peer counseling in in the
group that we were both admins in
and i would have stayed there
i was perfectly happy doing that
um i had
no issues with that whatsoever um
but i started getting shot at
with um dew
and
i got shot three times in six weeks
i remember that i remember you talking
about that back then yeah and uh
at that point it was like
those [ __ ] are going to kill me
and so lou and i talked and because if i
go public it means he is too whether we
like it or not
and so
we
remembered
bill cooper
i don't know if you'd if you're old
enough to know who bill cooper was i
read his book yep
okay bill cooper used to have a radio
show
and he had this thing
that he said that if you know they're
going to kill you to stand under the
spotlight
because then when they kill you it
verifies everything you said
and
and so when
they hit me the third time and they got
me in the right kidney
and to this day it still bleeds
um
i told you i said you know
they're gonna kill me
what
you know the only way i see out of this
is to hide
in the spotlight like bill cooper said
and he says you're right
we'll do it and so i hunted around and i
hit the prejudice of i was a woman i hid
the prejudice if i had served with
noctuffen i hid the prejudice that
i had served with draco
so i was the enemy
and i finally ended up
the group on facebook decoders of truth
they had me do
these long ass
threads where everybody in the group and
they had 20 000 members
everybody in the group
vetted me in the group
i had
i had threads 800
comments long
where i had to defend
my story
to them
and these are
these are truthers people who do
at that point they were doing research
they were smart they were with it they
had read the emerald tablets they had
studied the anunnaki these were people
who
knew what i was talking about
and i was coming from the position of
the enemy
and i had to justify that i knew what i
was talking about and then
um jay campbell brought me forward and
that was in september of 2016.
and
that first interview there were three
people talking and i got confused and
looking back on it and watching it again
it's like it was a [ __ ] show
but
james rink picked me up and did the next
interview with me
and he let me tell my story without a
lot of it a lot of
interruptions and from that point on um
i would get an interview every couple of
months
until you remember reality brief
i think so
you you were yeah those guys were great
those guys were great i think i was on
there twice two or three times
yeah they spent
about a year
teaching me how to do an interview
from the interviewer's side
and
then one day
youtube tells me
you're going to have to upload some
content or we're going to delete your
channel
seriously
that's what they
never heard of that but that's what they
did they told me you have you have to
start uploading
content or we're gonna delete your
channel
and i'm like okay so i thought about it
and go okay i'm gonna just have chats
with my friends
and
i was
you know hour hour and a half chats with
with friends and
they were all people in
disclosure movement or related
and
i had this one guy from australia
supposed to have me on his show
and at the last minute he tells me well
i'm processing something and frankly
it's more important than you are
this is this is the kind of
[ __ ] i get told
and i got a phone call
can you can you fill in my guest bailed
on me and i go okay
and it was on
global enlightenment radio network and
daryl offered me my own show and the
whole time that he's pitching it he's
like mama says you're real mama says
you're real mama says you're real well i
didn't know who his mama was
she was the dc
cia archivist
and you can prove that's what she was
because she sued the cia for racial
discrimination
and one
and she came on my show three times and
the
third time
we got the show that i had hoped for at
the beginning which was
i gave what i remembered from that first
altar and she said whether it was in my
file or not
now there was one thing that i
remembered
that wasn't in my file
and there were a couple of things i
didn't remember that were
did she share your file with you
no but she shared it with daryl
that man has read my entire file
he knows everything about me that
doesn't make sense that you know what
i'm saying that they wouldn't share some
of it with you they wouldn't share it
with you or you know send you a copy
kind of thing if it was something that
she could share with them
i'd be a little i'd be i'd press for
that
well the trouble is the day that i went
in for my
spinal fusion surgery her house got
burnt down
yeah clear to the ground all of the
files that she had
are gone
yeah how convenient for them then
yeah well i don't think it was a
convenient thing because daryl got his
ears burnt she was asleep in the bed and
it's the fire started in her bedroom
so their intention was to kill her not
to get rid of the files
so it was obviously she had gone too far
by doing this and so their house burnt
down on december 7th while i was in
surgery
and
then on memorial day
weekend
the round table show she came on she
verified that everybody
in the in the round table that she had
had a file on them
so they were real she didn't go through
and verify their individual stories
but
she did say that that they had all been
at montauk
so
at least that at least now they know
they're not delusional
you know
people say that that external
validation doesn't matter but when you
get it it does
every little bit matters
yes
montauk
people are the hardest to deal with
because the technology puts you
everywhere
so there's no like you said earlier you
were talking about your book being
linear people want a linear book
and
you it that's not what you can get out
of somebody that experienced montauk
that's what i've learned when somebody
says when i started talking about people
when did it start let's go boom boom
boom then i remember being in montauk
and i kind of couldn't throw my hands up
in the air because it's my technique of
using a timeline on things
defines depends on linear memory
and so you just kind of throw it out the
window like my technique of memory
doesn't work with montauk
because it's just all over the place
everybody that's been there is all over
the place so that technology is
something that's
uh yeah
we're not ready to understand quite yet
i was at montauk when i was six
and that's why i don't have linear
memory
and but your technique because i we were
talking before either one of us were
public you told me about your technique
for memory while i was still trying to
make sense of of
everything
i learned that for me
you put more lines
because you have to sort out which altar
did what
and that that helped tremendously i
might have gaps for that altar
you know where i went from this one to
that one to that one to that one to that
one did that one did that one
but
it made more sense that way
so yes your technique does work you just
have to work it
it's harder but
it still works
how are we doing on time penny i see my
record my my timer quit working at 74 27
yeah i noticed that i'm like
uh what happened there uh we have about
20 minutes
maybe
25 something like that
yeah i've got i've got a 7 30 i've got
like 15 minutes
yeah and until i got the next one so
it's like 7 30 my time so if you want to
pause i can come back and fill the time
we can do that um
let me see how much
there is i'll message you if we if we
need more
okay
i'm going to take a quick break and then
like i said i just it's a short one it
should be only like a half hour on on
the next one
uh and recording
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