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the country needs to know about it the
planet needs to know about what has
taken place and we've been lied to i say
this over and over we've all been lied
to
for
a minimum of 6 000 years
we're going gonna have to step back our
thinking here
to
the people on this planet
okay they don't know there's
extraterrestrials yeah
they don't know
that there's not just one of them maybe
we've got thousands maybe we got
billions of extra terrestrial the latest
number just recently
we doubled the number again
we now have
200 trillion galaxies out there
bobby ray inman was he alive then i
don't even know he was just a
a kid then so he wasn't but bobby ray
him and later on became the number one
uh
he still is yeah
but i'm just saying he
at 26 years he ran with the ball okay
yes and he knew what he was talking
about so they watched this event
and they immediately
structured and organized
this group of people pulling in all the
top scientists they could pull them in
put them inside a secret area inside of
an aircraft company he put this
organization together
which ended up being a major
organization later on studying
extraterrestrial and is still studying
so are you saying that was the beginning
of mj 12 yeah
hi i'm carrie cassidy from project
camwat and i am here today with a very
honored guest actually i should say
guess
but michael schratt is joining us and
he's going to be helping to ask some
good questions to our very honored guest
and
this is bill tompkins
and he is a phenomenal individual and a
very courageous
individual
and it's rare when you get someone like
this who will come forward and tell the
truth and we've been waiting a long time
for this let me say that so uh michael
schratt is an aerospace historian
and very happy that he's here with us
today uh he has a very thorough
background
in aerospace history and so that's going
to be
a lot of help uh actually you may
disagree with me but i think you might
be the first
um
witness to come forward in in
the area of
the secret space program black projects
and who is actually in a sense
sanctioned being backed up by a section
of the military i would say
now i don't know if you'd see it like
that i certainly know you're backed up
by the nordics but but i'm talking
earthly civilization here and i think um
in that case
maybe the navy is is behind bringing you
forward but i don't know if you're
actually willing or even able to
to elaborate on that but go ahead
well
actually it's uh
sort of a situation where
i'm still involved with the navy
and
i'm actually
having to participate in naval programs
so i'm gonna i'm gonna discuss as much
as i can
you're going to hit me with some
questions and i won't be able to answer
so i think the easiest way to do
to just start this is to go back
to 1942.
actually
for whatever reason
i was selected by
some people in the navy naval
intelligence
to
essentially be
assigned
a program
to discuss the
u.s navy
secret
space operators who have been operating
in germany trying to
understand
the uh
the tremendously
complicated
agreement between
the ss and the draco reptilian group who
were assisting germany
so this had actually gotten started
much earlier with a very lovely young
lady
uh in germany
who was contacted by
nordic people
to
essentially get her friends
to develop
the necessary requirements to build
a large
space transport
get their friends and the family to join
into this and essentially leave the
planet and go to another star's
planetary system
and this is maria
that's correct
and so
she actually was doing this from like
the 19
late 20s 1930s
and it ended up in the studies that i
got involved in
with the information from the operatives
in navy operatives
coming back from germany
into admiral cabada's
secret conference room at the top
building
naval air station san diego he's
commander naval air station san diego
but he has a hobby
okay
and this hobby is roughly
uh 28 29 naval operatives
who in
1942
and possibly early in 41
were continually going back to germany
and
studying all over the different research
organizations
what it was that the agreement had
actually been made with hitler the ss
and the draco reptilian people
okay but if this is happening in 41 or
42 the war is not over
of the wars still on
but
this young lady that we're talking about
had been
contacted by
nordic people
to help her
get an organization together with a
great deal of extraterrestrial
assistance
to design a propulsion system
design a vehicle
large enough to carry
40 50 000 people
get in this vehicle and leave the planet
now the ss was not aware of this when
they found out about this
they took over
a group of
1442 people which included scientists
and it included shoe salesmen it
included farmers it included
top research technicians all these
people were contacted by
the nordic extraterrestrials to assist
people in germany
to
get a vehicle built
so now we have a whole lot of civilians
nothing to do with the military and with
absolutely no desire to have the
military involved in this
extraterrestrial event okay real
important when the ss found out what
they were doing
they took over everything that she had
structured and organized all
1443 people
they had been hawking their farms they
had been
getting everything they could possibly
get in a way of money to design and
build
massive size
spacecraft transports
that's not what the ss wanted
so they took over this facility
and they jumped in and grabbed
everything
after only two months
hitler made the decision
let
her and her organization go ahead with
what they're doing we're going to be
working with the draco reptilian group
so now we have two groups that we can
get and we can cut into them any time we
want we can take it over again anytime
that it was necessary
so actually
they allowed the second time
for this group
to design and build these spacecraft
transports with which
many of them later on even after during
the war and after the war to leave the
planet
some of them went out and came back
they actually had large facilities that
they utilized as in underground
facilities in antarctica
the draco reptilian people had two
enormous
caverns and i don't want to get off into
that subject now we can talk about it
later
but there are caverns all over this
planet which
different extraterrestrial civilization
have been using
okay for thousands of years
now
back to the ss
what the operatives found
was an unbelievable series of
situations
that literally
when they gave their briefings to
admiral kabata
we also have
one at least of three
other
navy captains
in in his office at the time of this
briefing so sort of set the each stage
for this okay can i get the year that
they did the briefing with ricka botta
1942
still during the war still during the
war incredible yes yeah
now
admiral rick well there was a large
table
the operative said on the other side of
the table
admiral rickerbotta sat here i sat next
to him and one of the three
navy captains sat next to me the type is
set at the end of the table that's the
only people that were in there we always
had the same people
essentially
all of these meetings all of these
disclosure meetings took place at night
the admiral's
aide would wipe me up wake me up
sleeping in my barracks
he tapped me on the shoulder and all he
said was he's here
he escorted me across the facility over
to this tall building which is the
command center at naval air station san
diego there's a small office near the
top of this that's where these
disclosure meetings took place
so these operatives then brought back
this information which is
even
admiral rick abadi said i don't believe
one word you're saying young man that
came up over and over
okay can i ask you the name of the other
the other navy captain or are we not to
know who that is uh actually i have to
say i can't remember it right now so
that gets me out of it okay yeah but i
really don't remember okay okay
but uh
these operatives
themselves didn't believe some of the
information that they had to bring back
and so all they tried to do as best they
could
is present a package of
a package of information some of it even
had manuals
okay
some of the manuals were in
hieroglyphics
all of the manuals were in german
then they had
photographs taken inside of research
facilities in germany they had
photographs of ufos they had photographs
of maintenance people working on ufos
they had photographs inside of the ufos
okay now i'm going to ask you i want to
ask you something because these
operatives you're calling them
operatives were these regular human
beings and how were they getting access
to germany at this time to get this
information was this something that they
were allowing the americans to have uh
how what was the relationship okay
basically
all of these young men were either
lieutenant uh
jgs or full lieutenants in
the navy's intelligence
these people were all
american german family people
all of these fellows knew germany they
even knew all the accents in different
areas in the surrounding countries these
are beautiful guys who were dedicated
themselves
to be essentially spies for the us navy
now this was totally unaware with the
air force
everything that i'm talking about
is on the navy side of what took place
way back then
okay
so these operatives would bring back
photographs of the different vehicles
they would bring back data
sometimes
documents all in german
and uh
and or some of it in
what was then considered to be
the closest thing was to be
um
essentially
hieroglyphics
that
we found later on underneath the
pyramids
okay
so
that's the best description i can give
you
of what some of the data was obviously
this was information that was not given
to germany
by extraterrestrial
uh using
english language where otherwise
many meetings that took place later on
with extraterrestrials they could give
you the information in 10 or 20
different languages but that's not what
we got
okay
so
they would actually
attempt to
tell
this panel
everything that they were able to find
and what was most important
and we then would take that information
and i had 11 or 12 young ladies
who could take this information which
the first girl typed run copies of and
then put together
different what they called packages
which is essentially were proposals okay
these proposals then
uh
were then to be disseminated around the
united states in secret facilities now i
want to make one point very clear here
actually what was on the rents radio
program last night
was a document that actually was put
together later at douglas because
douglas got one of these package i
personally took it to santa monica
douglas as one of the first
of four
top
not aerospace aircraft companies
which became aerospace later on remember
everything that we're talking about here
i don't know how to make this clear
you're trying to decipher you're trying
to understand
not just other select extraterrestrial
people
information
but everything that you're getting is
totally unreal to
every single phd on the planet
i have to say people don't realize what
took place in 1942
in the naval air station at san diego
this is unbelievable and it's not just a
statement of unbelievable you couldn't
understand it
when the documents were then taken and i
had to use the
one of the two airplanes
that admiral riccabotta had he had a
twin engine
lockheed electra
which we used to fly back in the eastern
part of the country to laboratories and
naval bases and then he had a seven
passenger high wing
single engine plane
which
we flew to douglas and to doug listen to
i mean into lockheed
out on the desert
to the navy facilities out there
so
we put together rough information
and i want to try to
explain
what that information was
all it consisted of
was a typed version of what the
operative said
copies of that
some documents
some photographs
some written
notes
like there might be as many as 30 pages
of written notes that the operative
would give to the animal
okay now i'm going to stop you there and
ask you
rick botta
and yourself can we get a little
background on why you two guys were so
instrumental in this process uh now i
know something about you from reading
your book and i want to highly recommend
his book uh it's it's fascinating
uh but i do want to share with the
audience here
uh you know rick abadi you told me on
the phone
i think you said he was australian and
he wasn't trained in america is that
right
yes and you're asking a very important
question okay what you're asking it's
extremely important
we're going to have to step back our
thinking here
to
the people on this planet
they don't know there's
extraterrestrials yeah
they don't know
that there's not just one of them maybe
we've got thousands maybe we got
billions of extraterrestrial the latest
number
just recently
we doubled the number again
we now have 200 trillion galaxies out
there
and to say that we're the only
intelligent people
in this
universe is naive
but we were the people on this planet
were tremendously naive they had no idea
what these
naval operatives brought back
to
what essentially was
my delivering of these packages to the
four top
right airplane companies
because the one aerospace now back to
your specific question
who was admirakabata
he was born in australia he came to
united states went to school
joined the navy
as a third class seaman
he worked his way up
now what's extremely important about
this
is that
my mission statement working for admiral
riccobata was as disseminator of
advanced aircraft research okay
that was
my
my mission statement
working for
admiral kabata
was a copy of eighty percent of his
statement who was written by the
secretary of the navy forestall
okay
the nordic contacted
forestall i'm saying this you don't
believe it this is what happened
they contacted forestall
and had forced all selected
selected to initiate this whole thing
in the u.s navy
then forestall
selects an australian man
two star admiral riccabotta
to be the one person
to disseminate this data
that
our navy intelligence found out what was
going on
in germany and this is staggering
because
at that time
people don't realize that there's more
than one
uh
admiral in the navy at that time there
was 43
because there's so many areas
that need support
secretary of the navy forestall
selected
a man who never went to annapolis
listen to what i'm saying
every phd on this planet whether they're
for science or for medicine
have been given incorrect information
for thousands of years
about the history
of this
not just this galaxy the universe
they had been given information which
was controlled
by draco reptilian and other
extraterrestrials
not to know what was really going on
so every book in every university on
this planet
had misinformation
about every field every technical field
you can come up with okay yes
so when the operatives had to carry this
out
they were not
asked to study these packages
they were directed
to study these package these weren't
these weren't requests for proposal this
was the demand factor
that this information that got typed up
in the information in these packages to
all of these research universities to
tall all of the top navy laboratories
the uh
the facilities out at china lake the
underground facilities at china lake
caltech actually i didn't take the first
package to caltech in pasadena i took
their first package to
the
underground facilities out on the desert
called china lake
and it's just north of the air force
facilities off a highway 395 out in the
desert in california
and i'm saying
people don't understand or realize or
gasp
they don't get what has happened and i'm
not trying to build a story here all i'm
trying to say is hey people
hey you guys everybody that's listening
to this program
okay
you people have been told
for
a minimum of 6 000 years
total in
incorrect information
from medical from science from history
from astronomy from mathematics you name
it
everything you've told
it's not it's it i really appreciate you
yes this is a lie i i hear you
it's great can i ask you one thing about
these operatives who went into germany
to get this information
did they we know there were spies from
the your description
but so they were undercover so to speak
yes and they must have seen the craft
with their own eyes as well yes correct
yes absolutely so in some cases they
were working uh on the craft even they
yeah they actually got on board got
inside they took photographs inside
stuck them in some place and managed to
be part of the package that was
delivered to admiral cabada incredible
now what do you think first of all
you're telling me forrester had contact
and his contact was with nordics they
chose him
but was rick abada in contact or you
said he sat there and just shook his
head and said i don't believe you so he
was not a person who had had any contact
himself
uh you're referring to admirable yes
to me
he was selected period by the secretary
of the navy over all
of the standard animals who had been
educated
in
annapolis because he had an open mind he
had a mind that would not have been
controlled by the misinformation that
every university on the planet has given
was that your personal uh take on him
when you met him
no not when i met him later on i this
was obvious okay but then
who's billy tompkins
why did he
who who selected tompkins yes
to be on this committee right
because i got pulled out of high school
in the first year halfway through the
first year the navy pulls me out and
puts me through boot camp and then my
orders say report to commander so-and-so
naval air station san diego
i'm only saying
i i don't have a doctors
in in these degrees that are required
for all of these studies i don't have
but then
my mind wasn't clouded with
misinformation
like the animal
okay
so but to get back to you
and and this we've got the setting of
this conference table and you're sitting
next to rick a bottom and eventually you
deliver out all these packages around
the uh well what becomes the secret
space program but the american
and i did you take some to britain
no i only took facilities to united
states sacred facilities now right away
i want to hit you with this
and and this is important
even the document that was on rents
radio last night
it's called it's a douglas document that
was put together inside the secret think
tank of douglas where i went to work
many years after the navy
okay because i worked for northrop and
other people
but when i got
into douglas they put me in this secret
think tank
so that document is called
it's a big thick thing
and it has the douglas logo on the front
of it and it's called
unconventional
propulsion schemes
okay
and it doesn't have a confidential stamp
on it it doesn't have a secret stamp on
it
everything that we took i took
i
flew in the airplane in the admiral's
airplane to lockheed to naval air
development center
a war minister of pennsylvania i flew
to all the top
secret facilities
not one document that was given
had
classified in any way given to them
everybody knew it was way above top
secret yes no document was stamped i
hear you
yeah and i i had heard that on one of
the other shows uh
so the idea being that if it wasn't
stamped people wouldn't notice it they
wouldn't make a big deal of it yes it
would just pass through hands if anyone
whose eyes caught sight of that document
accidentally they wouldn't see it
so does great
but it's an interesting way to handle
the most classified
subject on the planet absolutely uh well
actually quite quite ingenious really
um so again i but i want to get back to
you because here you are you're a kid at
this point i mean right out of high
school i'm 18 now 18. okay so you're 18
years old but they've chosen you
i assume forestall and and the nordics
chose you
did you already have contact with the
nordics before you went into this
program okay let's go back to
uh february 1942.
okay okay
they call it the los angeles sighting
uh
what took place actually my mom was back
east
and
my dad my brother and i
had rented a large
apartment in long beach
and
california
and
this
was a
in a large home that had been broken
into four apartments
so the second floor actually is
uh 30 foot ceilings down below
the so the second floor then is real
high
and all the way across the back of this
house it's only four blocks from the
ocean in long beach all the way across
the back is a great big uh balcony uh
deck
so at about 5 30 in the evening one day
in 42
my dad says
to my brother and i who are laying on
the floor looking at the newspaper and
in magazines
get up and come back here to the deck
so we get up and go out to the deck and
here's this spot
a little spot okay
just above the trees and just above the
rooftops okay of the houses that prevent
us to see the ocean from this this area
so
we're standing there looking at this
and all of a sudden out of this spot of
light came a little beam and it went
like that sort of
about that
60 degrees
and we watched that
then this beam went straight like this
hit the back of the house lit up all of
the trees lit up the back the roofs of
all the houses everything was lit up and
we went back
hit the wall
and then grew forward and grab the
railing okay
um
it was gone
okay
so
we went back we had dinner
listened to a show on the radio went to
bed
at
about 1 30 that night
all of the anti-aircraft guns started
firing
we get up
we run outside
and we look at this great big thing at
arm's length it was that big
it was parked at about
seven eight thousand feet
i'd been a navy pilot flew almost
everything that the navy had i knew what
the altitude was i knew what this thing
was
there was eight searchlights
on the bottom of this vehicle
all these shells were bursting on the
bottom of this vehicle
on a continuous basis for an hour and
thirty minutes just parked right there
now all around it
above it
different vehicles were coming
this lasted the battle of l.a this is
the battle of los angeles okay
but at that time you were still a kid
right yeah
so you hadn't been a
navy pilot yet no no no but now later on
you were able to remember what you saw
and know that it was these i knew what
the altitude was i i somehow knew this
altitude okay uh yes
and
later on i did i flew every
almost every plane that the navy had uh
it's like a craft that
you said there's a there was a because
there's a newspaper picture i don't know
if that's really the the real thing
the newspaper was not a good
demonstration of what took place all
right
now what i'm trying to say in
evaluating what happened
in
this sighting
you have to visualize
dozens and dozens and dozens of
different shaped vehicles
uh
this great big one parked right on right
above you right over long beach okay
everybody is outside looking at this and
watching it
we finally there's vehicles going on
both sides of it there's vehicles above
it and several times actually the
vehicle went underneath and the
anti-aircraft gun lights the
searchlights shined on them and followed
them
so this goes on
till
about 2 30
we get bored
uh we all go back to bed
okay
we get bored
no hold on just wait hold on okay we get
bored yeah
now
while this is happening
and it goes on until five o'clock
in the morning
many of the other people outside okay
outside
on the watching this from the street
yeah stayed up all night long
yeah okay
better than a movie
okay no wait a minute this listen
now on the other side of your planet at
this same time
the germans were bombing
london oh wow oh my gosh
holy cat this is february 1942
right okay
now
we got bored and went to sleep now i
want to make a very important point
about this the los angeles event the
sighting okay
nobody got scared
nobody got nervous nobody ran in the
house and jumped with the covers over
their head okay everybody watched this
thing
nobody
got sick
nobody got
nobody got uh
real sick died there weren't anything of
that the only people that were cr that
were killed in this were from our own
shrapnel now
people watch this same sighting we found
out later
from santa barbara
people watched it from san diego this is
a massive
group of vehicles now listen to this
analysis you got to tell me
there's only two ways this could
accomplish what was going on
one
the extraterrestrials vehicle come in
over the ocean okay
uh hundreds of them they go all over los
angeles they go to
uh santa they go to
the telescope on mount wilson they make
a turn they either go north or they go
south they fly out to sea they turn
around out over the ocean and they come
back to make you think
there's a whole lot more
vehicles there than actually there is
they either had to do that or
we watched
thousands of vehicles come in over
western united states
from
uh 1 30
to almost 5 o'clock
and they shot at them and weren't able
to
hit them or destroy
the shells burst on the bottom of them
they're not bursting on the bottom
there's an electromagnetic shield but
the shell
hits and it blows up but it doesn't do
any damage now yes
we did shoot down two small ones which
were not
occupied one of those went in the ocean
only a half a mile off the rainbow pier
in long beach
your navy
picked that up
so
your navy
had an extraterrestrial vehicle
in february of 1942.
okay so that's before the operatives
came back with the information
uh
because you said in 1942 they
okay
this took place
just before
i was contacted
pulled out of high school
thrown over to naval air station
north island
okay
what this says
is that
a whole lot of people
who were involved in this sighting
uh immediately knew
there were extraterrestrials now
i want to take this a little further
people who watch this sighting and this
is not
it's there's documents that prove it but
they haven't been released
two
navy animals
two army air corps generals
and
an individual
whose name is
donald douglas senior
those five people were in meetings
that evening
they were still
in meetings
they watched this whole thing
they watched everything
and
bang
extraterrestrials
no
no cover-up
they're real
okay
so those fellas got together
doug just a second douglas then
put this group together
the two admirals the two army
generals our air force generals okay
and
they put together a group of people
and
initiated a secret think tank inside of
douglas
actually within one week
of the sighting
yeah that's fabulous
and so
you know
we talk here
that this is february 42
1951 i went to work for that secret
think tank inside of douglas
i had been working for
northrop for two and a half years i
worked for north american for a short
time i worked for lockheed for a short
time and then somebody telepathically
told me
i need to leave lockheed and i need to
go to work
over in santa monica and douglas
i didn't read a document that said do
that
okay so
i went over and applied for a job as a
draftsman
okay i'm sorry not addressment as a
model builder of metal
wind tunnel models okay because remember
i have built a group of models over
quite a number of years yes
but but i i still i mean i want to make
sure that we have this the la sighting
the la
battle of la because that was so amazing
and this is even prior to roswell
yes okay
and
in essence
are you able to say who those other
people are because you said douglas is
one of them but the other admirals and
generals that were in that meeting that
small meeting watching all of this who
then put the
the secret uh
think tank together
who they were
is one curtis lemay i mean yes okay
um
bobby ray inman was he alive then i
don't even know uh he was just a
a kid there so he wasn't but bobby
raymond later on became
the number one
uh
he still is yeah
but i'm just saying he
at 26 years he ran with the ball okay
yes and he knew what he was talking
about
oh absolutely so uh
okay but did did you know the battle of
la's going on but at the same time did
any of the ets in that craft i mean and
do you know which ets were doing this
was it the nordics did any of them
you know teleport down to
meet anybody was there any reported
encounters during well let's go back
let's go back to douglas senior two navy
admirals and two army air corps generals
in a meeting
okay they had been in meetings all day
long they were still in meetings right
because it's only
7 30 i mean come on
so they watched this event
and they immediately
structured and organized
this group of people pulling in all the
top scientists they could pull them in
put them inside a secret area inside of
an aircraft company
douglas senior did this so you got to
give him credit yes sure for this now
later on we had a lot of problem with
his son
in there because didn't he didn't know
what was going on but senior was
brilliant he put this organization
together
which ended up being a major
organization later on studying
extraterrestrial and is still studying
so are you saying that was the beginning
of mj-12 yeah
in a word yeah
uh excellent yeah
okay was forestall one of the
admirals
uh
in that meeting no
was ricobotter
um no
are you able to tell me the other
players in that room uh
what we we know the beginning of of mj
12 actually we know some of these
players van ovar bush
i just assumed sort of science
okay so so we've got that
but you didn't answer my question was
anyone having contact
high level people contacted even before
the event happened in fact okay
my understanding on this
was that
nobody came down nobody talked to
the people that were in these vehicles
but probably thousands of people
telepathically got information okay okay
so ring the bells were wrong
in
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
people and you were one of them i just
happened to be one of them i think i
can't prove it
but somehow
uh
well i mean this is a good time to ask
you i mean are there other guys like you
because oh yeah it's very definitely the
kind yeah no there's a lot of other
people there's a lot of guys like you
in this secret space program who were
somehow contacted and have had special
guidance and knowledge on how to build
and what to do yes yes others and have
you met them
uh really
uh
i've only meant
i've only met
three other individuals of what are
probably hundreds
okay really and uh and they're all quiet
to this day
uh
yes
now i think
one of the thrusts that you probably
have and that many people
now
are
hoping that
the disclosure information will get
these people
to come out and talk about their
involvement okay right that's
that's what i collect the collectively
we're all trying to do
because there's many areas
that i don't know about and that i was
not involved in which are extremely
important
and those people working in this subject
know this
and they're not just aerospace engineers
these are
top
physicists in universities
okay
okay and they're
top designers
in aerospace companies and
they've had the information put in their
head too
and but for whatever reason
almost everybody has been
that knows the information
has been in some way
uh put in the position
that either their family has been
threatened they have been threatened and
they don't want to talk
okay well then let's before we go on
why are you able to come forward
okay i said who gave you the green light
okay
i can't answer that
all i can say is
that
the easiest way for me
to
say what i'm saying
is my association
with three nordic people in douglas on
the apollo program
okay i worked with these guys two young
ladies and two really good looking
nordic
guy all right
and
so
working with the three of them
for
three and a half years on the apollo
program
uh
who
all three denied that they were
nordics but everybody that was anybody
in engineering knew they were
okay
i never said they were
they never said they were
but
if you if you can just
try to visualize
uh
i had 170
top engineers on the apollo program
working for me
okay
i was engineering section chief at
douglas
i had i guess worked my way up
i come up with approaches and concepts
and i get these implemented by all my
designers yes
uh
where did my where did some of my ideas
come from
i have this very nice looking young lady
who never stops
um
kidding
she
it's fun to go to work
she never stops kidding
she's always sticking it in and turning
it
and not just that but she's always
stuffing things
in my head
so
like
when i
presented this complete
redesign of the apollo program
to dr von braun and dr davis at redstone
arsenal one of the most classified
facilities on the planet
i had a six foot by six foot
model
in a great big box
put on the dc-7 to fly down
to the redstone arsenal okay i rented a
truck
there weren't inside or closed trucks
available the only one that they had
had just board sides on it so here is
this great big
gray box
that could be a nuclear bomb
i drive this thing and i've never driven
this
the gears on this in my life
i'm in a three-piece business suit
i'm driving this truck with this bomb
box and you just drive it onto the base
or something and i wait just a second
i get now
my secretary had told me before
i left
i've typed you
and authorization
as an ex
as a
allowance to go on board the base okay
you're never going to use it
okay
i said you're gonna
you're you're you're gonna get on base
and you're not gonna have anybody bother
you okay so yes i'm driving this truck a
long straight road to get to the gates
of the base
and she said i told you before billy
telepathically i'm driving the truck
i just keep going so the gates open
okay
now off on the right hand wait a minute
great movie yeah off on the right hand
side
is this massive parking area for all of
these trucks all of the people to get on
base go through the security checks
nobody it's one of the most classified
bases on the planet sure
and the doors open the gate opens and
none of the four
police guards
at the office
they didn't pick up their rifles and
come out and start shooting nobody did
the rifles just stayed
by the front door where they stood is
this nordic mind control
yes
is it
yes okay
so
what are you telling me you're here
because of nordic mind control today you
know what i'm saying i mean you know is
that what's happening i mean are these
you know top admirals who've been in
this game now since 42 at least are they
letting you come here because they've
been persuaded to do so or because
they've been mind controlled by nordics
to let you come okay
uh
i have to say really i don't know
uh
and i really don't know i love that
okay that's awesome
that's awesome i would say that that's
probably how you got actually i didn't
just mean hear disclosing but actually
here talking to me because i'm usually
the most dangerous woman
out there i mean to tell you the truth
that's my reputation so somebody letting
you talk to me i mean i know the nordics
are cool with me so now i know why
you're here because
you just answered it all right okay now
uh
while we're still not believing the
gates to open i drive this truck through
a massive base that's covered with trees
you can't see the sky okay you can't see
where this tall building is that von
braun's tower is i finally get to this i
drive right up there's three levels of
steps
going up if you
uh come as a guest if you can go into
the back and drive in the back and get
in there
so
tell me why
you tell me why
four security guards
come down the steps carrying
a big rectangular dolly with four wheels
okay
they i haven't said anything to them
they come over to the truck i'm out of
the truck
they take the boards off the side lay
them down on the concrete
uh they pick up this model and they put
it on this dolly
why was that dolly available
sure i'm asking nordic mind control
again okay so they carry this
big box
with the model in it the command center
for launch of apollo which
nobody in
nasa knows even exists
because remember
that that's
that's my concept of what you've watched
on tv every time you watched an apollo
mission that great big facility well
we've got a lot of questions yeah but
but just
just a second
our contract
on the s4b stage of the apollo the
command stage section okay right
requires us
to utilize
a open
hangar
with both doors on both ends of it
to check out our facility our stage and
then assemble it on top of a outside
assembly area okay
this is insane
because we've got the most advanced
circuits that have ever been designed
for the computerized
the entire computerized
operation of apollo because remember
germany
was all mechanical they were not
they did not use computers
even back in those days back in those
days now
this facility then
has this massive
outside
structure where you assemble your stages
on this and it's 270 foot high okay
out in the open and then
somebody lights the engine and we get
the engines to operate and it lifts off
the checkout is of everything is outside
the checkout of the facilities and every
part of the whole program is out in an
environment where the doors open in a
hangar okay are you trying to tell me
that because that it was somehow
camouflaged
and and so people wouldn't look or
couldn't see it or no i'm saying that
our our our contract required us
to do all of the assembly and check out
of our stage which is the controlling
stage of apollo and an open hangar
in the worst atmosphere that we can do
it on the planet because the
humidity
at this location
is unlike that i mean this is was yours
are you saying you made a redesign from
that
or i said
i said to
dr davis and dr von braun in my briefing
that i don't want to check i don't want
that hanger that you want me to check my
stage in
i want
well first of all you guys with the v2s
in germany
roughly
70
68 of the time when you check it out
and then you lift it there's problems
with your own v2s
so
i'm going to check out my vehicle first
of all in an inside
closed area in the vertical position and
i'm going to keep it in a vertical
position until i pick it up and put it
on top the lower stages
okay but i want to know why if if the
nordics had this amazing technology and
they were helping you and feeding you
ideas for apollo why was apollo so
rudimentary
is there a completely other apollo that
we never saw
because we know that things happened on
the moon once they got there and you
said you know and i want to talk about
all that but you know what i'm saying in
other words you're still talking about
this module that has you know is a
basically a rocket you know it's like a
tin can
um that's that's old technology why did
they let the humans
continue with that that kind of a design
they
they could do
what you would say would be
um
a partial
assistance
to
a country and maybe we say they use the
united states okay
now
uh the germans had been
playing with rockets liquid rockets for
uh way before world war ii
and where were
even world war one okay
so
they have their command center
uh the launch center
underneath the ground
with concrete above it
in a silo an underground launch style
with a periscope up on top they can look
through
i said
we're not going to do that
i not only want my vehicle checked out
in the vertical position and assembled
that way
but i'm not going to use
your underground
launch facility for my cabinets full of
support checkout and launch equipment
i want
a
facility
which will be a closed facility to
assemble all of the stage and check them
out
okay so
my proposal to divas and dr von braun
was build a vertical assembly building
people okay
oh yes it will be the biggest facility
space-wise of any building on the planet
who cares this is what we need
i got from
checking out the german
v2s in germany
in a horizontal to a vertical and then
encased in a
white room
and actually my proposal was a white
room
that's atmosphere
right air-conditioned atmosphere because
we were playing with advanced
circuits and rocketry and and
communication systems that nobody had
ever done
so
the chance for
something to go wrong
was astronomical and what i presented to
divas and von braun
was not just buildings
completely changed
the whole checkout launch at the cape
for production launches
to the moon okay
so if you remember in that book uh
selected
by extraterrestrials there's a
there's a drawing in there that shows
cape kennedy
uh complex 39 and then a whole bunch of
complexes all the way down this side
for
uh launch complex 39s
and then
circles down here for these massive
truck facilities to haul up all the
equipment to build a 10 000 man naval
base on the moon underground okay yes
but did this get built the way you
wanted it to
it finally did yes
really the facility got built exactly
the way
the the four major changes to the apollo
program came out of 170 guys
in a
engineering area called
launch complex 39 which we designed at
douglas okay
okay but you're still not you didn't
answer my question about the technology
so you're basically saying because this
is interesting you're saying that the
nordics have some limitations in the way
they help in the way they interfere with
planet earth is that what you're kind of
getting at okay you're getting
complicated your questions but
we have to step way back
uh again
not really understood by the public okay
yes
there are federation facilities out in
the galaxy
where other extraterrestrials get
together
and
there's many different missions for many
different types of programs
but we'll talk about one of them
which
cruises the galaxy
and it has as many as 30 different
extraterrestrial
civilization people on board it looks
like the moon
okay
but it's a planet
i'm i mean it's not a planet it's a
vehicle
right okay
so this cruises the galaxy is it a dyson
sphere or not what is it called a dyson
sphere
uh that's one term but actually
uh
we're getting more complicated i can't
to no i need to answer your question
um
when we got to the moon we found out a
lot of surprises okay
the dracon reptilians were already there
and
we
we knew because we had probes when we
weren't
non-manned probes that we sent around
the moon so we knew there were facility
on the back side we knew a whole lot
that people didn't talk about
but
we were in a position where
uh
this moon is not a moon
okay
it's not your moon in the first place
actually this is not your planet uh
this is their laboratory okay right okay
the dracos you mean or the reptilians
tracheal reptilian slash reptilian and
i'm going to ask you what they all look
like and all that you know at some point
um okay um
because i know okay let's let's get to
when it was uh was it neil armstrong
landed on the moon and he said he said
that thing that you heard him say and
michael wants to get real specific about
this so basically there are seven huge
craft there
and you said on one of the shows out
there you said um
that the the reptilians actually showed
up be beneath their craft and they gave
the thing okay they were parked around
the side of the
crater okay they were not parked on it
they were floating above it
so
there were hundreds of
these nine foot
reptilian guys standing with their legs
yeah they were all the way across the
under
underneath their vehicles okay standing
on the cradle
and what do they look like
uh
they're ugly looking uh
lizard
alligator type people they got
they got the same skin as the lizard's
got okay
and terrible
looking faces
but then they have the ability to shift
and look like a human
all of them do
okay okay do you think von braun was a a
reptilian no you really don't no
okay
uh
your president yes
oh what which one uh george bush senior
yes
and bill clinton and this guy you got oh
just got rid of yeah yeah
they all were
right okay
so and they all have this ability to
make themselves look like real
good-looking people and you're saying
trump does isn't one
no he's not
well that's a relief and
and he knows more about this subject
than people realize it excellent
but
trying to get back to your earlier
question
these
groups of extraterrestrials who work
together
but are at war with other
extraterrestrials okay
have these vehicles that look like a
planet
right like our moon is a vehicle it's a
command center
for this arm
easiest way to look at this
is to put your arm out like this
and you be the center of the galaxy all
the way out to here
there's four arms arms on
our galaxy
one of those arms has
a place here which is called planet
earth
you're not downtown where all the action
is in the galaxy you're out here
you're in the area
which galaxies as they rotate throw off
okay so you're sitting here
on the tip near the tip of the milky way
galaxy you earth okay
and what you need to do is visualize
you're not you are not earth people
okay
you are extraterrestrials nice guys out
there so you know
that this little planet is going to get
thrown off maybe not take a couple of
weeks yet but eventually it's going to
get thrown off
so so that's why this is happening this
is why this is happening
okay
and
2 000 years from now we'll probably be
picked up with another galaxy
we're just floating out there
and this goes back to
the problem that we had before about the
number of years that you can live we'll
talk about that later but back to
these command
centers
which operate throughout the galaxy
to monitor
bad guys and attempt to get them to back
off
so isn't phobos one of them
uh yes
okay
and so
uh essentially
we have
nice guys in there and even some bad
people in the same
vehicle
and they discuss wars and disagreements
and this sort of thing
but back in their own
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planetary part of the galaxy there may
be at war
with two of the same guys that are in
this together so this is like a center
right of information
uh sort of like a group of people
who are trying to get along for certain
specifications or certain events
those guys
control
your planet because i mean your moon
because your moon is a command center
for
this region of the galaxy
not just the solar system that's
that's small potatoes okay the thing
that's sitting right in here which is
you call your moon
okay
is a massive control center for this
whole part of the milky way galaxy okay
wow wow
wow is right what about saturn i thought
saturn was more like that
uh saturn has larger facilities on it
too but those are other agendas for
other people
okay
some of which
we have
okay
because we have
mining
companies let's take north american
aviation
uh
los angeles airport that's where north
american aviation is okay
and
you've seen on my block diagrams that
are in my book
what systems engineering really is what
controls the secret think tanks okay
uh
instead of a book or a document to do
this
i came up with
block diagrams we have to have to want
to have one of those we're going to need
one of these and we're going to need
this for just the start of the program
as we get into this we're going to
change the phases of it into four
different phases
concept phase definition phase
acquisition phase and operational phase
so now that's a
8 10 foot long piece of paper that's a
foot high and it has every single block
diagrams that are required to initiate
that space program
okay
every single one is in there
so
those documents then
are used in in different manners to
develop icbms
so i came up with a concept for really
space concept
the military then used those for
development of icbms and other weapon
systems
but
and that
the initiation of that is to understand
the
our position on
our association with extraterrestrials
that's what the block diagram is for
all these events that have to take place
to
interface with extraterrestrials
what do you mean okay that's very
complex what you just said it is very
complicated
so
you're talking about yourself having a
diagram
having been the person who creates a
diagram that the entire
sort of maybe all the militaries are
going to follow
that's going to
diagram out our relationships with these
with with the rest of the yeah we've
used what turned out later to be a
standard requirement
this block diagram thing
for every
weapon system that any of the military
has whether it's air force navy marines
doesn't make any difference your company
designing whatever
go back to the pentagon and you propose
a weapon system
you're going to have to be if you get
that proposal you're going to have to be
controlled by this
375 document
which
i came up with
for the apollo program
and i submitted that to von braun and
that was one of the four programs of
changing the entire nasa program
okay so the first use of this
was
for icbms
i took that system and and defined the
entire apollo program and the missions
because
we had they had several missions
my group in the secret think tank came
up with 44 separate missions extended
till to the year 2000 1999 so the apollo
program was supposed to
not just go to the moon pick up the
rocks take the photographs and come back
the apollo program was to take us out
into our solar system
build naval stations on every habitable
planet or its moon
okay right and then the next phase was
to go to the twelve closest stars alpha
sensor
alpha centauri being the first
put
naval stations bases on all of its
planets except we stopped that one
because it had two sun and the radiation
factor was
not
we couldn't do it but 11 other stars but
eleven closest stars to you okay and
you're saying it's been done
and i'm saying that's what we plan on
doing
okay you planned starting with apollo
and that is the apollo mission no that
is the apollo mission that's just apollo
okay
did it happen
uh no it got stopped right yeah
and it got stopped by the reptilians
yeah they said no no
okay now this diagram that you're saying
this this block diagram that is the
militaries are all following
it basically is in a sense
you're you kind of your design initially
it came through you but it must have
been
downloaded to you somehow through them
from the nordics saying what earth
people were going to be allowed to do is
that what it's called
what kind of weapons they could or
couldn't build it's it was not for
weapons
it was for us and actually that's in my
book
it was for us
to go out into the galaxy everything
that's necessary to build a
a transport or a vehicle go out in the
galaxy have communications with other
extraterrestrials out there and set up
businesses with them right maybe we
could mine stuff for them maybe we had
certain materials they don't have we
could market these
they may have
things that we want to buy set up
communications with other
civilization people out in the galaxy
that's what the first block diagram was
for and that's what the mission was to
have originally been what we recommended
okay now yes
uh nordics
put that stuff in billy tompkins mine
and he runs with this ball
okay but you've got it in the book i
mean
that's what our thrust was it was not
military then the military picks up
this document and they run with that of
every military program anybody wants
okay but when you say the military
picked it up i mean here you are kind of
almost embedded in the military they and
you and you're dealing with von braun
and dibas now they're germans yeah okay
so there is some kind of
uh interaction going on between still
germany the u.s and then project paper
kit breaking over all the nazi science
yes
and at some point we're being
infiltrated it's clear in your book that
you and especially your close friend
that you worked with a lot you used to
talk in the dialogue of the book you're
always saying someone is interfering
someone is on a higher level
trying to manage this situation
implement
implement the situation okay so
you're having
both
white hat guys yeah out there okay and
we got black hat guys out there
and uh
they're both influencing us and they
still are they have their agendas and
they still are yes yes
yeah to as we're talking they're still
doing this yes okay
it it hasn't stopped
okay before we continue and i want to
take a short break i'd let you drink
some water
i want my i know i don't want to leave
this subject uh where michael can ask
his question
that he has uh make sure that he got his
question answered about
again back to um
uh
neil armstrong on the moon and the and
the seven huge
craft and all the
reptilians standing there
um
you wanted to ask a question so um i
just wanted to back up for just a quick
second when bill talks about
um classified documents not being
stamped that's absolutely correct
because that is the procedure that kelly
johnson followed at the skunk works in
burbank
when they were doing the f-80 the u2 spy
plane the a12 and the sr-71 none of
those documents were stamped top secret
that was per kelly johnson so you're
absolutely correct about that
crazy but yes you're right yeah so bill
are we to believe then that you are the
genesis of the vehicle assembly building
at the kennedy space center you're the
genesis for that idea yeah but that
actually is for the nova program okay
okay
nova nova vehicles in the book i think
there's seven of them in the one picture
you see seven different types of novas
you see the the apollo vehicle it's over
in the corner it's a little tiny thing
then you see these great big things that
are ten times the size of apollos
okay those are all
trucks
they're they're trucks to haul up
uh
boring machines for the moon to bore
into the moon to find areas where we can
do our construction of a 10 000 million
naval
operation and research base on the moon
that's what our apollo program first
phase is not just go to the moon and
pick up the rocks
we were going to the moon
to
a program that actually
operated this is 1963 it was operational
until 1999.
okay the moon
the
apollo
moon program
okay
so
always specific i mean it got stopped
and then it got it it continued i mean
it went black i guess is what happened
yeah uh but
do you want some water yeah does anyone
else want to take a short break
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