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welcome to nut buff and pilot with penny
bradley and today i have returning guest
shane bales
aka shane
aka
shane the ruiner
and
we've known each other since 2016
where apparently i was obnoxious when i
first made contact
um
yeah well i thought i was just being
nervous
so um yeah okay
um
anyway
i have not exactly been stalking him
okay
i am a supporter on his patreon
and i know where his website is
and
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i found where he's offering
counseling
services and that peaked my curiosity
and so instead of going through and
doing google searches and being truly
stalkish
i thought i would ask him on the show to
talk about it
welcome shane
thank you
so yeah it's um
yeah
i call it metaphysical support so
basically it's kind of like a bridge
between what would be traditional talk
therapy as well as all the other stuff
that we have to deal with that um
you know traditional
therapists kind of
to be nice i'll say don't talk about um
can't talk about most of the time or
won't talk about
so yeah or or totally freak out about
and chase you out of the room
um you know there's a lot of people out
there who have
you know the need to talk to someone who
understands you might want to do these
topics and i'm someone who understands
so um
you know in lieu of not getting the the
lollipop um
i wasn't able to do the type of work
that i would normally do in that way
because i would need to be in hospitals
and things like that i'm not allowed to
do that so um
i thought well everyone's been asking me
to do this for a long time i might as
well uh
do this so yeah that's kind of what it
is and then obviously the magic class as
well
it's kind of like my own version of a
self-help self help class that uh
allows people to become magicians
not like the hey look at this deck of
cards magicians but um
you know the ones that actually
understand how they generate energy and
can use that energy for
things
ah so like the stuff i was taught and
she was a sauna
well yes like even with myself it's uh
everything i was taught you know i've
kind of um the way i talk
tell people it's kind of like what bruce
lee did with martial arts and we went
out and learned a bunch and then
came up with g kundo which was him going
hey if i get in a fight i don't have
time to do
this to punch a guy you know and um
yeah
what are the workarounds and you know
this isn't really practical this isn't
really practical
uh his basic quote
is pretty much what i've done which is
uh adopt what is useful discard what is
not and then i do the rest of the quote
i encourage the rest of the quote which
is for you to add what is inherently
your own
so um
once again i learned a bunch of
different structures of music or music
magic
music is math is magic
it is yes and um there's an element of
music that's tied into why magic works
but
that's uh part of what we talk about in
the class as well um
so
what i identified was that pretty much
all of those systems
kind of put us in a place where we are
not actually doing magic
we are becoming a vessel for some other
entity to exercise its energy through us
or
winning the favor of some type of spirit
or deity to do magic for us
right if you think of even what a shaman
is doing
they're doing their dance to win the
favor of the elementals who then provide
the reign right so it's not even him
causing
the energy movement that would be
required
to produce the rain it is these
elementals now they have a direct energy
with or direct relationship with energy
because they don't have a meat suit to
operate through like we do right so it
is in a way easier for them
but in terms of you know
what we were taught in programs and
what's kind of available to the public
they all have these gatekeepers in place
and they're all there because they don't
trust us to think feel and act
well right and responsibly
i always um
responsibly is a big issue some of some
of the
online magic groups that i've
sat in
i don't contribute a lot because i'm
apparently over their heads
but um
it's amusing to to watch what they say
and some days i just
go oh my god
but
i wasn't taught
to use a gatekeeper
i was taught to use my own
connection to source
well it depends on what that filter is
through of course
i don't know exactly what you were
taught but i do know that there isn't a
magical system on this planet right now
that we can point to that is not with it
without a gatekeeper
like if you want to uh name any system
they all have one right and if you could
find one that didn't i would be pretty
impressed
um and if
not even if we are taught to
use our own energy in context with magic
it's usually coming out of this energy
field right here which for the majority
of us is pretty muddy
right like there's not just an energy
within this field for any of us right
now and that's what makes it dangerous
because if we think we're sending energy
we might have the direction correct but
we definitely don't have the frequency
correct because we don't even know what
the frequency of this is
yet right
we're sending that out that's why
sometimes we get some really negative
rebounds on sending good vibes to people
as an example right is because we're not
actually sending
100 good vibes we're sending good vibes
that is made up of energy that we got
because we were triggered by something
someone said to us on facebook
right or something that that [ __ ] who
cut us off in traffic and so we're what
we're sending contains the frequency of
that [ __ ] cutting us off in traffic
and that [ __ ] on facebook who
wouldn't shut up right so
that's why or the or the person on
facebook who thought they were doing you
a favor by
praying for you and you ended up covered
in slime
and whatever you're sending is through
the slime
well and that's that's kind of an
example of what i mean of why what we're
doing
the relationship that we have with
sending and receiving an energy
from each other is
it's built on a parasitic system and by
no fault of our own
is parasitic right like even most people
when they're not feeling so good
they're looking for something outside of
themselves to make them feel better
even if that's you know that cup of tea
right
or if it's you know i gotta go see this
person who will make me laugh and make
me feel better
right that's in a way we are taking
from outside of ourselves we're going
outside of ourselves for something
which doesn't make a lot of sense
considering the main reason we have so
many problems is we generate too much
energy and because we generate too much
uncontained energy we are a
beacon of light we're
a flame for a moth when it comes to you
know parasitic entities demons um
energy vampires anything like that
uh
and because we're doing that you know
we're kind of like a a light source for
them and so they come to feed off of us
and then they teach us things that also
create that process right where we're
generating too much energy and we're not
containing that energy and so they can
sit right up there and feed off all that
energy that we're generating for them
right so even a lot of the
what we think our positive practices
through the new age community have been
set up so that we will have a high
vibration
which makes us
generate too much energy
and become
a good source of food
maybe that's why i always rejected new
age
maybe the other side
i saw
new age as basically christianity
without christ
and
the same problems i saw in christianity
i am seeing in new age including the
mind control issues
yeah um
it's it's an unfortunate thing because
it's not that anyone is
doing this intentionally they're
actually looking for truth right it's
just that it's kind of
hijacked along the way and it sounds
right you know like have a high
vibration feel good all the time
what happens when we get overly excited
we crash really easy
right that's our energy centers trying
to find balance
so if we let ourselves get so high
vibration
we need to be balanced in order to
operate
right so what our
we will do is throw something bad at us
have like some kind of drama pop up um
crash our car get a headache something
that just crashes us down off of that
high
and then eventually we we start working
our way back up to balance if we can
maintain a semblance of balance through
all of our different energy exchanges
then we don't ever have to worry about
the crash right
i've had so many girlfriends in my life
be like you never get excited about
anything
like i i actually i do i look forward to
a lot of things i'm excited about a lot
of things i just don't
vibrate with that excitement
exactly i'm like
i
at that moment i will enjoy that thing
between now and then i don't need to let
my energy fluctuate based on that
experience between now and then i can
keep it baseline and so that's how i do
it
and so basically with the magic class
like everyone asks like
how i survived how i got out without a
lot of um
problems and um you know how i can still
even interact with it to this day as
well as maintain a regular life where
i've like you know i've got
well one adult children nearly two adult
children
um
was legal guardian younger brothers you
know i've had
regular good high responsibility jobs
all of that stuff so i have my [ __ ]
together if you will and a lot of people
who've been through what i have
don't right a lot of people have been
through a lot less than i have don't and
so the answer is all of these things
that i will then teach others right so
um that's kind of why how i put it all
together why i've put it all together
what it's for um and then
usually
you know you can kind of couple that
with support right because
you know life goes on and we bump into
things and
we forget right we we kind of forget the
the lessons we've learned the
experiences we've had in the moment it's
easy to
to
shift back into neutral exactly exactly
and something that you know as nefarious
as everything that we went through was
something that we always did have was
someone there to help us through that
right someone there to
even if it was in a not so nice way
um you know help us get through those
things help us make sense of them and
then the rest we put together on our own
right because we did have certain
outlets and so
sorry about
sorry about the phone ringing this is a
landline
those still exist
yeah
i honestly didn't even hear it
um i'm old school um
actually that energy field that you talk
about
if i'm using a cell phone very much
my energy field will literally fry the
machine
so i can't use one
one thing about
those older versions of the programs is
you know they would
your energy would be a lot less
regulated
than someone who was in them now right
or someone who's not even now but like
like more recently is what i mean
because i hadn't figured it out yet
right so it's almost like
it's like that dynamic of being the
oldest child and your parents made all
the mistakes with you
right not too yeah you were in that
generation where they made all of those
mistakes i i was in that generation
where that
parents really truly believed that
babies were born blank
and that what they became as adults was
what the parents put into them
and so the fact that i came
pre-programmed
was a real problem for them
and these programs have grown over time
as they've discovered more
like they actually
even in the nuts and bolts programs
they started with this assumption that
dna was more important than soul
right and it's it's been over time that
they figured out that that was a wrong
and b now that they know that it's wrong
how to adjust to it right like there's
only so much you can do to manipulate
dna to
affect a soul right and they used to
believe they could fully control souls
through manipulating dna which is just
not true
um but they can attract
a different kind of soul by
manipulating
exactly exactly it's like um
you know
it's like different kinds of cars
right like i'm i might be
find it easier to drive
a muscle car than a tesla right
where you might find a tesla's better
for you than a muscle car and it's the
same type of idea
i love muscle cars
but then i listen to metal music and i
wear dragons on my t-shirts
well
that's what i not everyone likes the
same flavor of ice cream right so um
different people have different talents
i mean we're all capable of
the same things in in theory but our
talents
cause us to develop skills
which then lead to us getting better in
certain areas and magic and the programs
have very much been like that right
where it's like people are certain they
call it like a proclivity or you're
better suited for this particular type
of program but they could technically
train you in any of them that's just
it's what's easier to put someone into
an art class because they show artistic
abilities or to put them into a math
class because they show artistic
abilities right so obviously you go with
the art class
but um
you can still teach them math right or
if are
theoretically full then you could put
them in the math class or whatever that
is but that's kind of how you might
teach them both but expect them to be
better at the art exactly exactly
and yeah um
it's the same thing with any type of
teaching the reason why there's
different
um systems of magic the reason why
there's different religions the reason
why there's even different um frameworks
of psychology is because not everyone
learns the same way not everyone
processes the same way and not every
everyone outputs the same way right so
yeah
it's
to have different avenues for people to
go so that we could all theoretically
end up in the same place
is part of the
you know
theoretical intention behind having all
these different pathways
unfortunately pathways are leading us in
a circle but that's a different type of
conversation i don't think we're meant
to end up the same place
and i think that's part of the problem
with the paradigm
when i say the same place i just mean to
be able to get to become who we truly
are right like whatever that i can go
with
yeah i don't mean that we all end up in
like a one world like every utopia like
i am the last person to think that
that's even good let alone believe that
that will ever actually happen
i'll tell you utopias scare me
because they tend to be
everybody is expected to think alike and
that to me sounds like tyranny well it
very quickly becomes the same thing
we're
witnessing as a problem now which is
this tribalism like the tribalistic
mindset and everyone having to pick
aside or like fighting for their side
blindly and everything
everything that's wrong is based on that
issue which i think is like a collective
lesson that humanity is figuring out
right now is to have
new relationships with a lot of things
but one of those new relationships is
with the idea of competition because we
have like this really
um
hard view of what competition is
and not understanding where the positive
end of it
lies anymore it's it's been lost
it's like i'm going to give you a
concept that
i was slapped up the side of the head
with in the 80s
okay
i'm this very light-skinned person and
all three of my children were blonde
blue-eyed
and we lived in
the
minority part of fresno
and we went to this this grocery store
corner market
it was
ran by armenians
and everybody who worked there was a
different minority
and one of the
bad boys was going to fresno state
and taking
anthropology and he asks me one day he
says what do you think about and and
through
centrism the idea that
everybody prefers their own kind
and he and i got into this
philosophical discussion yes i have
always been me
and uh
i told him i think the crux of the
matter is how do we define
who is our own kind
i think that is the problem that
humanity is is having to deal with right
now is
who is our own kind
and i don't think we're going to make a
lot of progress until we decide
that all humans from earth
are our own kind
love um
it's kind of said as a joke
it's uh in a [ __ ] for song
and they say we will never know world
peace until three people can
simultaneously look each other in the
eye
pretty much yeah
yeah
and yeah then that's that's kind of
where we're at and i think that um
what we're going through with this
evolution right now is kind of a rise
out of
old systems of morality into a more
universal consciousness where we're
starting to see humans as humans right
um
i i think that you know all the stuff
that we maybe don't like with the gender
identity and and and
things attached to that that are going
on are a natural process towards that
right it's almost like the growing pains
to get to a good place and that goes
back into what i was saying about
balance earlier basically like we can
see even in the collective how
everything has gone way too far to one
side and now it's slingshotting back the
other way right and um so what we're
gonna have to do wait for that to bottom
out and then when it comes back up again
let's not like jump on
the other end of the seesaw all at once
right like let's
slowly build it back up um that's kind
of been a problem with this planet for a
long time it's like any time there has
been
artificial or natural resets that have
gone on it's almost like they they just
come out of the gate running where they
just kind of need to take that tortoise
uh approach to it for once where they
kind of slowly remember and slowly build
back instead of no no no no we were way
the [ __ ] over there yesterday i want to
get back there right
over there's over there let's see what's
between here and there and let's see if
there's maybe some of the scenery we
forgot to stop and look at along the way
because that is the
maybe something is better than over
there
exactly and maybe while we're on our way
there we start seeing that there's other
paths we could have taken along the way
instead of just leap frogging it all
with technology right and um
and ending up there so
yeah i think that's
i think that's collectively the lesson
that's kind of being learned here
well i hope the lesson is being learned
and not just skipped over because i'm
seeing
a lot of panic
from
people that don't want to change it's
this is the way we have always done it
why do you want it different
or this is just the way we've always
wanted it
right like yeah
which is the other part this is this is
good for our team so why do you want to
take it from us
exactly it's like a planet of addicts
you just have to
step into acceptance
you know what i mean like accept that
you're not
you're not either as great or as
shitty as you believe you are you know
what i mean
you are both and that is magic right and
is isn't that the whole
the whole
underlying thing with balance is that
you are both and you need to accept that
you are both and
it's out of the
acceptance of our shadow that we
actually find our strength
yeah well exactly right it's um
you know you were kind of asking the
first question i know related especially
to program members
stuff like that but that that's a big
part of it in that like
i actually lost my train of thought what
did you just say
i just said
that
okay i can't remember the exact wording
but it's
when we
embrace our shadow we integrate
it's the integration sorry um yeah that
was incredibly what we have to do with
our shadow is no different than what you
have to do with your altars exactly
it's actually i
have to integrate another personality
into mine
and then deal with what the personality
has done
in their time in the body
or your time in another body
and we all have a shadow that is exactly
the same concept right like it really is
the same thing
um
one thing i've been encouraging people
especially through the magic class and
i'll say it here too is
that shadow part of ourselves we've
looked at as something we need to
destroy
all right and
that's that's been our mis understanding
i think i hear people don't i've done
all my shadow work i don't have a shadow
left well then you haven't done all your
shadow work all you've done is bury your
shadow under a bunch of fluff that you
threw on top of it and eventually that
shadow's gonna dig its way out and it's
coming back it's still there it's not
ever gonna go anywhere it's a part of us
we are yeah are they in the yang we are
the light in the dark all in one
and they are
our shadow or our subconscious if that's
what you want to call it is no different
than an altar
their understanding of that as a
fundamental is how they learned how to
create alters in the first place
foundation
i have a lot of people in the community
that are telling me well it's easy to
deal with altars you just destroy them
and i'm like
you what
yes
yeah
you know
this is shock this is not this is not
approval
just in case
um
you can't get rid of part of yourself
without diminishing yourself it's like
cutting off your arm
well it's uh you know a very similar
simple thing that people need to get
into their head is that you know you are
a soul playing a game through this body
right like the soul exists outside of
this entire realm
so that means there's nothing that can
happen within this realm
that truly disconnects
truly does anything
to that soul
if anything
it's working the opposite way where
there's there's things happening outside
of here that is reflecting as
negative in here but it's definitely not
going the opposite way and why i say
that is
you know in these programs especially
but definitely through religion and even
through magical practices we have this
false concept of
capture of
trapping of
imprisonment of destroying souls
and that belief
is what leads to
things like a soul trap technology even
working
right i think the best way that i've
ever described this is the universe
views the buyer and seller of lies as
equal
which means if you are going to convince
yourself that that lie is true you are
just as complicit in the lie as the
person who told it to you and that's
just the way it is we both have
responsibility on that way and why i say
that is if your soul has been captured
if your soul has been destroyed that's
because you wanted allowed your soul to
be captured you allowed you believed
that
right
but even because
you believe that outside of here your
soul's fine and he's kind of laughing at
you and here being like oh you think you
captured in there do you
think
right like and
yeah i think i'm sorry
our own desire to turn what's going in
here going on here into a hollywood
movie
um as opposed to
acknowledging that the truth is stranger
than fiction but it doesn't follow the
same protocols like it doesn't follow
the same arcs it's not a movie at the
end of the day right like it is at the
end of the day
it's much more like a bad acid trip than
a hollywood movie
yeah
things aren't as
there's more nuance to life than there
is to movies right yes
the truth also has that kind of nuance
to it
and
yeah it can be known right like that's
something that all spiritual teachers on
both sides of the fence always do come
back to is that it can be known
we don't hear that part a lot of the
time
um
yeah i
had
i have to walk a really tight line
because this was someone who came to me
for counseling
but she had an interesting concept
that she thought that her persona
was the altar on a 60th back
and she had no idea who her real person
was
and wanted me to tell her
the meaning of her life
if she was an altar
and
i'm still
mind-boggled
[ __ ] number one that she thought i
could answer this for her
and
secondly that she had that kind of depth
of thought to even come up with this
problem
yeah it's uh
it's almost heartbreaking from my
perspective
to know all these peoples who've come
out of these programs are now out in
society
and the only real outlet or understand
or
the only real avenue for understanding
is this [ __ ] community
you know because this community has been
ah partially from our own doing and
partially from outside tinkering it's
it's not
what it's meant to be right it does
unfortunately create a structure where
people can do more harm than good for
themselves
but
um
i have been trying to do
with my own counseling i have been
trying to just
do the talk thing
because most of these people have never
been heard by anybody they've everybody
has told them to shut the [ __ ] up go
away you're crazy i don't want to hear
this
you're delusional you're making [ __ ] up
you have no idea what you're talking
about and this is what we're told day in
and day out and so i just
let them talk
and if they start talking
self-harm or harm to others then i put
them back on the track of
look we're just talking about
what's happened to you we're not making
any plans
and
it usually takes
eight months to 18 months and they
finally talked it out
and then they're okay with it
it's like part of them integrated that
yeah this happened to me but i'm okay
now
and that's the approach that i've been
taking and out of the 400 or so people
that i've helped
with this
three have paid me so i'm not out there
making money off the public
so um
i'm not a licensed counselor either so i
didn't think it was appropriate for me
to be charging a fee
i call it peer counseling and i'm just
listening
and when i feel them going into
something dangerous i tell them you need
a real counselor somebody licensed
now
i'm not gonna i'm not gonna sit there
and let people kill themselves
well i should open up
you know um
so i was really curious what you did
that was different from that
if you did anything different from that
well every every person's different
right so what every person needs
is different so
the more you
more tools you have
right the more likely it is you'll have
the tool for the job
and i have
had the opportunity to collect more
tools than
pretty much anyone could going to any
school or all of them right so
um
that's kind of it is like you know
whatever tool you need out of my tool
belt i can give to you
so therefore i'm not really
it's not about me doing it for you it's
about teaching you how to do it for
yourself right i don't think that it's
the answer to that question of the why
and how with my own experiences this is
why and how
no one did it for me
i had to learn how to do it right i had
to learn how to
heal and
process and learn and grow and develop
all despite all of that stuff right and
those are useful tools that anyone can
learn how to use right and it's just
been
not what we're taught in school and it's
not what's nurtured in society in any
sort of way right it's even like with
the magic class like i call it a class
but it's one-on-one and it's one-on-one
because you know if you're in a class
you're gonna
double
you're gonna question your own question
right you're gonna you're not even gonna
wanna just ask what you're truly
thinking because you're worried about
the perception of the other people in
the class
yeah you don't want to be the dummy in
the class
but at least
i have this social conditioning i don't
want to be the smartest one in the class
either
well yeah that's no fun either because
yeah
but but yeah like um
the ability to actually understand
things is what
mentors do for you right that's the
difference between a mentor and a
teacher is they are helping you develop
your own understanding as opposed to
just teaching you a concept an idea
right and so you might need to hear the
same thing
worded four or five different ways
in order for it to be worded the way
that actually does sink in for you
and that doesn't mean that there's
anything wrong with you
it doesn't even mean that there's
anything wrong with your teacher if the
way that they're saying it isn't it's
just
like i was saying that
everyone's different right it's yeah
it's the connection between
and the connection between the two
people and the understanding that
transfers
not just the words
and that is part of the magic here is
all of that diversity and it's just
funny because a lot of our ideals and
what we say we want in terms of like
some type of global outcome here take us
so far away from that right like
it's ironic to me when i listen to some
people talk about like
how we should live on this planet
they're more or less describing a
one-world government with a one-world
religion and a one-world language right
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which also
that's the essence that's where it ends
up right yeah that's where it ends up
the same
they're talking about like the people
that we're fighting against want as well
we're defining a difference based on how
we get there but we end up in the same
place
i think they're more fighting over who's
going to be the boss yes exactly exactly
it's like i i see a lot of
humanities problems as being dominance
issues
yeah i don't care if i'm the dumbest
person in the room i'm going to rule
right and it's like we want to punish
them in the same way
that they've
become guilty it doesn't it you know
it's it's it's kind of illogical and
that's
that's just something huge
humans are not logical as a general rule
that's just something humans need to
look at and they're being forced to look
at it now because it's playing out in
every dynamic of their life right like
that separation is it's here it's now
and we're living through it everything
we've been talking about for the last 20
years depending on who you are um it's
happening right now and you know now
it's the walk the talk you know we'll
we'll see how much of all that stuff
you've said over the last 20 years you
actually truly believe
and um when i look around i see a lot of
people falling apart over all of this so
that tells me that they didn't truly
believe what they've been saying they've
been leaving this whole time
yeah
i have
always
believed in
equality under the law
um
i have always believed that
those most competent should be in charge
no matter
what they look like
but that those in charge should have the
benefit of the majority
at art
rather than personal gain
and that's that's
a tough thing to pull off
well it is too and like there's again
nuance to that because you know the
person who raised me think they're doing
the right thing
right they don't think they're doing it
just for personal gain they just think
they know better than you and i know
right and they believe that
they've got an arrogance towards that
that they don't see through but that's
not
to say that they think they're
they're not like [ __ ] off right like
it's that's not really the attitude
i've seen that attitude in individuals
in individuals of course
we can't generalize and say that like
they're not all the same just like you
and i are not the same right like we
even if we are on the same side on a
different side than them we're just as
different and even you and i disagree on
a lot right they disagree on a lot
actually we don't disagree on a lot we
only disagree on it
wrong word differ right we different
that's right and maybe disagree we don't
do things the same way we don't look at
things the same way exactly neither do
they
the difference between them and us is
they've
decided to collectively work towards an
end
we
can't decide to do that and if we do we
want the same end they want apparently
so um we're pretty close to it but
what's somebody else in charge with
someone else in charge yeah yeah that
that seems to be the underlying role as
we all
how is the old song goes everybody wants
to rule the world yeah
exactly yes that seems to be
that seems to be the problem now the
more public i have become the more
contact i have had with
those folks
and yeah i have found that
some of them are deliberately telling
lies
some of them are deliberately
manipulating people like me
some of them are
thinking they're
educating people like me
but
the more i learn
the more i realize i'm being manipulated
and it's it's like okay
you know it comes down to eventually who
do you trust
who's whose story are you going to
listen to or are you going to listen to
any of them and are you just going to
listen to your own heart
and
the trouble i have with that is that
heart tends to not be fact related at
all
so you know
gnosis is very nice if you're living on
a mountain but if you're living in town
with people
you need to have some facts behind it
well you need to yeah exactly if you
want to um
interact with
what's real
then you yourself have to be
what's real
and i think that yeah i don't i don't
know that we have a clear picture of
that in the majority now even though a
lot of people would think that they do
i don't think that they do it's like is
someone less real because they're
controlling you i don't think that that
makes sense because they're controlling
you you're not controlling them right so
they obviously have an upper hand and
they achieved that through some type of
dominance and they achieve that
dominance from some type of
understanding that you don't have
so
yeah who's more real
right like that's not it's
that exact framework in the way that we
would like shift that is exactly what's
wrong with them we're just doing the
same thing right so we're actually
we're where we're the same people we're
we're just on different sides
of it we're in a different tribe but
that's all it is and that's the problem
right and until we start to see things
as three people looking each other in
the eye right like yes
until we start to see
all of humanity as our own tribe
and i mean all of humanity
and i've i've heard the two
the two species theory
but i know there are a lot of people
like me who are hybrids between them
so
multiple branches of the two species
right like
you want to say like nature has a path
and we've augmented a path through
technology and then there's a bunch of
sub paths on each one of those so yes
all right we yeah and that's a problem
and it leads us into a lot of trouble
especially when we're talking about et's
and stuff this generalization we like to
do
right where we're like i've been kind of
sticking to
the definition that an e.t is a physical
being that's just not from here
and an interdimensional is one who isn't
physical or
can manifest physical but isn't that way
naturally
so i've been sticking to those two
definitions
and it makes
my speaking easier but everybody who's
using whatever definition they want they
just sort of go
oh
and and you can watch the gears turning
you've got that look you know exactly
what i mean
you know so are they from inner earth
are they from outer space
does it really matter
are they from all of the above is there
some variants of both like you know yes
yeah
um
i always bring up the pleiadians thing
because it's just hilarious to say that
you're in touch with a pleiadian it's
like the pleiades is a series of like
seven [ __ ] stars and we are on a
planet that has one right so it's
actually
well
our star and
both stars in the serious group are part
of the pleiades so just you and me
talking we're a pair of pleiadians
well how could that even make sense but
anyways
um
the idea just being that if like
our solar system has one star and one
planet
even if those seven stars
only had three planets
let's just compare one of those planets
to this planet
where on this planet is completely
uniform
in such a way that we could just say
earthian
or
solean or terran or any of that
that was the term we used in my program
was terrible
barely get away with saying american or
chinese because there's so much variance
between the chinese and the americans
right or like americans compared to
other americans are different
chinese compared to other chinese maybe
less are different right um
you can't generalize that way and like
humans are individuals so why would we
expect
individuals from
races to be any different
exactly and if they're not that's
probably a bigger problem than it is a
good thing
uh
yeah i've
got memories of hive mind races and
those are pretty strict
i would much rather be an individual in
a race that can't get their act together
so yeah
and that's how i feel about us we're a
race that can't get our act together
so we can't
we can't even
you know
i mean we've had a lot working against
us but at the same time there's just a
level of responsibility we've never
taken for ourselves and we have to
and if if we're not going to choose to
then we're going to be forced to because
that's what nature does
no or we will be forced to be
subservient to someone else and that
someone else will eventually get rid of
us
well that wouldn't even be a choice we
could choose to be subservient to
someone else and then that can happen or
we can be forced to take the
responsibility and stop taking that path
right because how many times has this
planet been hijacked by that path
maybe humans just need to deal with
humans and sort out their own [ __ ] for a
change right
instead of looking towards like
i don't even know star seeds and
ascended masters and everything else
that have clearly been leading us great
if they even exist they've clearly been
leading us astray so maybe it's better
for us to look in the mirror and start
having a conversation and look at each
other and start having a conversation
and look at our planet and start having
a conversation and looking at our
species and start having a conversation
if we can't figure ourselves out what
makes us think we can figure everything
else out
well
people who tell me well we're ready for
at contact
i have this question for them if we're
so ready to deal with another sentient
species
why are we still having dolphin hunts
well there's a lot of things that we're
still doing and that we do
that tell us that
we're not
yeah
i mean that's that's one that's in your
face
yeah we need to figure our own [ __ ] out
most people can't even deal with
themselves let alone their neighbor
right
their own family let alone
the family of the next country
you
know
let alone look after china china can't
look after itself and look after canada
like we
yeah we we really have to take time to
look in the mirror
for a change instead of
looking out there
all the time and i think it's a lot of
distraction
i do know that a lot of science fiction
was based on
it was social commentary in a safe
way of looking at it but the p
too many
humans looked at the science fiction as
this is the truth about of what's out
there rather than looking at
this is a description of our society
they missed the whole point
yeah it's um
yeah
there's a lot of points that have been
missed i think along the way
yeah hi
so um
so you use your different tools in your
toolbox in your in your counseling of
folks like me
depending on what stage of the game that
they're at when they approach you
yeah i mean like i
even within clinical practices like we
don't take everyone who comes through
our door right we we make an assessment
and they might not be someone we can
help so we're going to pass them off to
someone else
refer them to someone else
why it's just funny that people without
training
do things like this and then don't do
that you know what i mean where they
would be
the first person to do that you know you
would figure the person with the degree
and the certification and the the
practice would be less likely to
pass off clients but they're actually a
lot more likely than like the tarot card
reader who thinks that they can also
counsel people right so
yeah
um i
stumbled into it because people thought
since i had survived the crap that i
could help them
and a lot of people i've told them
all i do is listen to you talk
and
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you know
you can talk
there's a certain amount of the
certification that is [ __ ]
especially what we know now like
most of the certifications and licenses
are based on what we now know was
falsified data so it's uh they've
actually been taught incorrectly
but regardless of that
there's protocols there's understandings
such as the one that i was just talking
about of passing off clients
right that are understood
by people who've been trained
professionally versus people who haven't
right and i think that it's an ethics
and morality thing
that um
maybe doesn't exist in some people not
everybody obviously like there's a lot
of very moral people out there who would
take your approach right where it's like
this isn't really what i am i can help
you to this point i'll hold your hand
i'll listen and then beyond that you
know
go get some help right but yeah um
i end up with a lot of people
coming to me well i have dreams i have
dreams i have dreams
and the dreams are bothering them
but not enough for them to take
responsibility for them being flashbacks
or
coded memories
um
and i got to where
you remember when i had surgery on my
shoulder i i stopped taking clients then
the people that are calling themselves
my clients now
are either people i had from before then
that are still popping up
or they're people who have forced
themselves on me
and you know there are people like that
and uh
so i'm actually looking for someone
licensed
to send these people to
well
there is um
a lot of things online now that people
can actually get to to find you know
proper counseling and get help
it's just such a broken system so i i
also understand like
well here in california
if i went in
i would be evaluated
and the first thing they would do is put
me on an ssri
whether i was depressed or not
and
they would not even care that i had been
on one before and went blind
and had to be taken off it
they don't care
that is step number one step number two
is if you talk about
having memories of things that they
don't understand to be 3d real
they put you on an antipsychotic so
you're already on two pharmaceutical
drugs
and by this time you are
numb on a good day
unable to tell the difference between
fantasy and reality
and the next step is to put you into a
mental institution because the drugs
didn't work and they don't care
what you remembered what the problem is
how to go forward
their solution is
pharmaceutical and that's why so many
people are coming to me is because first
of all i can't give you the drugs
and secondly they think i've i've
figured out some magic way to get past
it all sorry guys i had
2197
altars and i have reintegrated 32 of
them i'm still a [ __ ] up mess
that is the bottom line
and
shane is smiling because he understands
exactly what i'm talking about
and
so
that's part of what's wrong with my
community
is
i'm one of the ones who actually cares
what happens to people and then you've
got this whole range of people
who for lack of a better term are simply
predators
they see an opportunity to make money
and that's all they care about
and that's the second step of why the
community is [ __ ] up
so
you have real people who are messed up
from these programs
and you have a few people who really
care but are not licensed and not
qualified to be helping them
and then you've got a whole bunch of
people
who just want to make money off them
and we'll tell them whatever they think
they want to hear
yeah just feeding that fantasy
yeah
that's why i don't do uh like i don't do
readings
right because i'm not going to tell you
what you are right like i i read people
of course i do i
read everything but um
i don't do readings because it's not my
place to tell you what you are
what i can do is i can offer you some
ways to figure out who you are right
and usually my first question is always
like especially when if if people are
like was i in programs am i are these
memories real blah blah blah
will it change your tomorrow to know
that the answer is yes or no
yeah
right
like
we have to live here right so um focus
on that first
focus on
doesn't matter
because you're stuck with the memories
whether they were real or not
and you have to go to work or
not go to work or whatever your thing is
tomorrow and it's probably got nothing
to do with
most of the stuff you're
bouncing around in your head right so
um eyes on the prize as they say
you you're the prize is you and you know
if
you were used in that way the prize was
you
so
why give up the prize
now
i'm going to have to think about that
one
why give up the price now
um
the biggest issue that i had
was how real it felt
and
it really
calmed me down
whenever
doris neely said that what i remembered
was in my
cia archive report
something about
that i was not
making it up
that it wasn't i wasn't crazy
that mattered to me
and i feel that from a lot of the people
who have come to me
so uh
at some point
even if it was virtual reality as you
believe
we have to accept that these people are
sitting there wondering am i crazy
that's that's
why it matters right it's that's why it
matters
that's
a lot of crazy making and that's why it
matters that's
what was so wrong about it all right
if the violation of personal
personal um sovereignty a violation of
free will
and
we were left so damaged
so obviously we're going to have to wrap
this up
and maybe i'll like this and um maybe
that'll help you understand
to to me
if they put all of these humans
through these programs
because all of that stuff was real
that's excusable
the fact that it wasn't real is why it's
not
that's why i have the problem i have
with it
if they really were
using me so that eventually this can
just be what the human race does
i could accept that
but they used me for a bunch of [ __ ]
that the human race will never
experience because it was never real and
therefore it was actually pointless and
it was actually just torture
right
whereas if there was an outcome
that was beneficial to everybody
like there would be
if a lot of those programs were real
then it would be worth it in the end
right
someone you know actually
millions
would have been a choice
millions of kids were were tortured
and left damaged and and
i don't think that the damage was worth
whatever benefit they thought
whether it was real or not
well there is no benefit and that's the
problem right
even if it were real
the people here are not getting any
benefit from it
we haven't made like any progress on
planet earth without harming something
in the process through trial and error
to get there
right
but the problem with this is there is no
there to get to through all the trial it
was all just trial and that's why i have
the stance on it that i do
if i didn't then it would be
just i would be looking at this with
compassion but i definitely wouldn't be
angry about it
because i would see
okay this is eventually going to add
layers to humanity that benefits them
but it's not
and it's all just leading us into a
metaverse
so
a metaverse of virtual reality virtual
reality right
we have proof of virtual reality
they're still
shooting rockets into the ocean
right they still have unmanned drones to
move at hypersonic speeds
they
do not have the ability to
do anything with all that alleged
technology
but we do have virtual reality so i
think again
proof being in the result is
what i'm looking at until i see a
different result
and then the or proof
then i have to stick to what i witnessed
and what i was told and what i
experienced which is that
there is no secret space program and
there
is no possibility for such a space
program to even exist based on what
space actually is and that all of that
was meant to
create
basically exactly how we're seeing it
play out in
reality
um there is no gender identity your
physical body just doesn't work anymore
so don't even bother looking after it
just uh turn us all into gray aliens
right
no thanks but it's working
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