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welcome to Knocked buff and pilot with
Penny Bradley today's guest is
Andrew d bajago
and he is the American lawyer writer
public speaker media personality and
presidential candidate best known for
serving as a U.S Chrono nut in Project
Pegasus during the Advent of time travel
and in Project Mars during the Advent of
interdimensional travel
welcome Andy
Good To Be With You penny
well we've tried a couple of times we
finally we're finally getting an audio
file recorded yay
yes um all things in duton all things in
due time uh both of us are not as young
as we used to be and have health issues
so for the public who is sitting there
thinking that we're doing this in a
recording studio somewhere
not he's on a phone I'm in my living
room there's traffic driving by and my
partner who lives with me that you all
know is Lou keeps going in and out and
to make things even more interesting the
landlady has a carpet guy next door who
will occasionally be hammering
so welcome to reality
um
so
um
I finally got you on air
so
um let's talk about who we are so do you
want to talk about
um
Project Pegasus first or Mars first
I'd like to do Pegasus first you know I
was in it I I stopped being in the 50
years ago this year
I was in it roughly from 1967-68
when I was age six
to 1972 when I was 11 and then we moved
to California
and I didn't get back into government
service until 1980 When I Was An
undergraduate at UCLA
so it always makes more sense to I think
to cover Pegasus first
there's been a lot of confusion as if
they were the same program and they
weren't yeah
Marcus was under essentially
DOD in general so it's my position that
they weren't they were not the same
program although some of my fellow Mars
astronauts Like Bernie Mendes believed
they were in that Mars was just a
continuation of Pegasus and in a sense
it was because the aeronautical
repositioning Chambers or jump rooms or
space elevator if you were that we were
using to get to the red planet was
another quantum access device in fact
that's why I stopped calling myself you
know and a U.S astronaut during the
Advent of the interplanetary exploration
because really
there's no question
that the ark was an interdimensional you
know Quantum access based way of getting
to places beyond our planet
and I think that they were always asking
us so many questions when we got back
from Mars or what they believed was
probably Mars to determine whether that
particular Quantum access device
was getting us to the Mars that we see
in the night sky sometimes or some other
planetoid in the Multiverse if you will
yeah I get that programs
um
I was taken to what I was told was Mars
in 1964. I did not go from Los Angeles I
went from New York
and uh
which is really interesting because I
grew
my Here and Now life I grew up in
California
but yeah I went through the jump gate
that's on Long Island
and same time frame and presumably the
same
place that we went because we were both
told it was Mars
well they were certainly both old you
know Urban structures there like the
site that I called the dilapidated Brick
City
you might have to walk through that to
bring this data disk to an American
technician working inside one of those
essentially
broken down brick buildings but there
were also seven or eight receiving what
we would call jump ropes but they were
really the facilities
that facilitated the arrival of the you
know the jump room or or Arc or space
elevator if you will and some of us were
clearly quite old they could have dated
from
they could have dated as much from let's
say the early 60s or the 50s as some of
the dilapidated
brick cities could have been from the
time of Edgar Rice Burroughs I mean they
were very old
areas I mean that dilapidated Brick City
had small little brown bricks and the
only place I've been in America with
such architecture was the colonial
District of Philadelphia
so
I don't know when the U.S presence began
on the red planet although they did tell
us
that it began in 1964 with
um two American astronauts who went up
there by a rocket
crashed on the surface
and had negotiated to be rescued by one
of the Martian humanoid populations who
then grenade and they died of exposure
on the surface that was in
stack of about four inch thick worth of
documents from the French external
intelligence organization
that Regina e Dugan
Barry Satora later known as Barack Obama
and I went through in early September of
1980 when we were in training they
jumped us from like August
or September back to June of that year
via teleportation we were sequestered in
the dorm rooms at College of the
siskiyous
several months to write our theses about
the Martian humanoid civilization
for the cia's threat assessment of that
Civilization on Mars we had three
options
we could say that the Martian
humanoids presented a danger to we on
Earth
did not or it could not be determined
and I think the way that that
played Out Among the three of us is I
determined that there was no evidence
to assume that the Martians
represent any threat to to us you know
in my threat assessment my key season
thesis rather
Dugan said very much there was because
for example that their unwillingness to
rescue are down to astronauts
fading them to their their deaths on the
surface
I think the one who ended up president
first or at all
Barack Obama probably said it could not
be determined that would have been the
politic
thesis for me to have chosen but I had
to adhere to the truth because that's
been my my style as it were yeah that's
been my style too
is to adhere to the truth is unknown
18 years old
that's what I saw in those French
intelligence documents but
beyond that we were never briefed in the
program of when the American presence
began there and then when we started
going there
there were some pretty old jump Rings
like one said welcome to Mars in English
kind of a
yes because the one that I went through
it was in German
I want to talk to you about that penny
most eager to eager to show with you to
discuss that
I'd like you to give your
um ideas to me as to why I was never
briefed on a German presence I never met
any Germans on the surface and I never
met any evidence of a historical German
presence on the red planet like Insignia
Prussian Eagles or Nazi swastikas or
modern German flags
what was your understanding of how the
U.S
and the German presence there was being
sort of segregated I I think they kept
us away from it I think no data on on
what I call Germania
we were kept completely separated
um
later on when I was a fighter pilot
I would be assigned to do
air cover for American Military and at
that point I was told
these people are going to be here you
need to give them air support you do not
interact with them
and we were kept completely separated
from each other
um I never interacted with Americans
there at all
other than the ones that I came there
with I came with a group of
about 20 of us I can't remember exactly
how many
and we were separated into two dorms and
uh
the Germans put us into Shula and I was
in Schuler for 10 years before I was put
in a plane and then I served for 15
years before I got in trouble and then
sent into the German
space military
but it wasn't I was thinking about why I
can't District out the German presence
is you know I think it was Rumsfeld who
said we know we know
don't know what we don't know one thing
I have correlated that I think may
explain this sort of force separation
Because by the way we're only crossed
once diagonally by a team of about 10
Soviet Russians but we would meet
britons as well as fellow Americans on
the surface in a pretty extended
discussions with them like right
them you know but one thing I thought
about that may explain this sort of
keeping the different
factions on Mars apart is one time
Courtney and Hunt of the CIA and I
walked about
oh I don't know
about a hundred feet from one of the
jump rims and we hit like a force field
that we couldn't get past
another time he had brought or not he
but
I guess it was Bernie Mendez had Barry
Satora of course would later become
Barack Obama
fire a
a flare up towards the sky and it hits
something and kind of skittled along
some kind of Dome that was obviously up
there
painting the sky or blocking the sky so
I know that there were limits
that were put in place that I do know
was there and so because we don't know
how extensive that that system was of
blocking
some astronauts from going to certain
areas but planet
for all we know that may explain why I
never read in kidney Germans up there
maybe they had some agreements to keep
those factions apart
for historical reasons or
scientific reasons who knows
but I just have to be upfront about the
fact that I I've tended to resist
the stories of a German presence in the
red planet because I simply wasn't
trained in it I didn't mean it I didn't
see any evidence of
any regalia of a German nature any
accents any insignia
um any mention of them by anybody else
but I was running into some fairly
prominent Americans on the surface uh
I was just telling Dr Salva about
meeting
um Admiral Stansfield Turner on the
surface I thought it was the Bigfoot
hunter Peter Byrne when he walked
towards Bernie Mendez and I because he
was dressed kind of in the Safari City
you know with a fancy hat and a cravat
and the khaki suit
and it was he comes up to us and goes
high balance Stan Turner
so it wasn't Peterborough it was
Stansfield Turner and then another time
actually a couple of times I had
conversations with Ross Perot senior on
the surface so what I've pieced together
is that a lot of the American presence
on the surface was Navy I was listed
with the naval investigative service
in Upland California while having a
lieutenant commander of Alias with the
Navy under a different name
um
you know Bernie Mendez was with the
DOD but Courtney hunt for the CIA said
to me that he reached the Admiral level
in the naval Secret Service
William Cameron McCool who went on
sounded to die aboard space shuttle
Columbia on February 1st of 2003 was one
of my fellow astronauts there we were
trained with Willie McCool
but also of course Ross Perot and
Stansfield Turner were like Willie
McCool Annapolis graduates you know Navy
Academy Academy graduates so it was
clearly a very widespread Naval presence
well when I was there American
contingent
when I was there those of us who were
American were put into Blues
instead of the Browns and oranges that
the Germans wore
and we were
um
we were told that we were U.S Navy on
loan to them
so I was officially
the equivalent of what would be a second
Lieutenant but since the Navy doesn't
have a second Lieutenant they considered
me a first you know just a
in German it would be light nut
and uh
that was the minimum position that I
could have to be a pilot
um
so I had no military training on Earth I
had been trained at Langley to be a Psy
weapon
so in some ways my service on Mars was a
waste of my abilities but in other ways
it was a great
education before going into their space
military
yeah
it's really so it was really so far out
that when we look back on it it's kind
of like
you know I could have viewed as I think
sort of an extended
de minimis uh nightmare
I mean it was so stressful so
challenging
I grew up there I I didn't yeah yes I
grew up there first so that's home to me
and that that's something that a lot of
people hear on Earth
just don't get is I grew up with those
people when I graduated
from Langley and was sent to Mars
five years of share hell stopped and I
was suddenly
just a kid for 10 years
and that was
you know when you've been put through
rape and mind fracture and weaponization
of sigh abilities and and programs that
make stranger things look like a walk in
the park
and then you're suddenly in a position
where you're just a kid learning to read
and write and and do math and science
that's almost like going to heaven
and so
in some ways once my memories were back
part of me wants to go back
that's that's a big difference between
those of us who served with the Germans
and those of us who served with the
Americans as the Americans remember Mars
as hell where we remember Mars as as
some place that the torture stopped
so it's it's a very different approach
when we saw that sign the Coleman in
Mars
it was it was
you know yeah the lady on the other side
was was cranky
and we were assigned to Barracks not a
family but we was in school like kids
well I was going up there from age 19 to
22.
between July of 1981 and August of 1984
what that was that uh okay
um
37 months
I was still a young adult some of my
colleagues were teenagers per se
I was I was there 14 when we went up I
was nine when I was set to Mars
and that was in 1964.
and I was sent off Mars in 1990. so I
spent a great deal of time there I was
there for most of the war
hmm
but I wasn't a foot soldier I was I was
in
a ship I was flying over it and dropping
bombs on on
the life forms that we were fighting
we were fighting an insectoid race that
was really resembles ants and a
reptilian race that really resembles
Raptors from
the movies
and that was the was the Reptoid bipedal
yes they were bipedal they had yeah I
had I had I had contact with two of
those in fact I saw
I saw one by like a 45 year old male
colleague named Bob in half from a
distance of about 30 feet and I saw
another one a smaller one
by a 16 year old blonde kid from
California
named David to death on the stomach that
was both of those were quite difficult
to witness
I've witnessed people by one of those
reptiles I have witnessed people
shredded by their claws
single swipe and you're gutted
yeah yeah they were quite quite deadly
we were taught to run in zigzag patterns
if they were trapped us you know that's
so close to us that we wouldn't be them
with a view to boring them you know
making them lose interest in chasing us
and then we'd Run free but that seldom
worked
there and they're an intelligent
formerly space-faring race there's no
there's no way to bore them into losing
interest if they've decided that they're
going to capture or kill you you're gone
we were we were proportion I was never I
mean the the first one
after he killed Bob he looked over at
Courtney hunt and I remember on his left
and he stared at us and it's like
you know I saw myself staring into this
big evil eye
you know that I wish I could get out of
my mind but it was quite perilous I kind
of had a single pointed attention as I
was looking back at him talking in my
mind you know nice dinosaur nice
dinosaur nice dinosaur
and uh fortunately just turned around
and scampered off
uh is there a
a telepathic race
flight
the inner earth Raptors are a branch of
the same species left over from when
they were as space-faring race
and they are basically in a dark age
where they've reverted to tribal
behaviors
but they are still they still have that
biological intelligence
and they're formidable if if it's a
unarmed human and one of them they're
gonna win every time
now when you say uh below ground do you
mean in Earth on Earth yeah on Earth
so yeah they
we were in the German group we were
taught do not engage
if you cannot avoid engagement to Simply
not resist
that that was the only hope you had of
not being killed was to not resist to
let them into your mind let them see
everything
I was given a little cyanide capsule and
plastic bag that I came to my pocket
check out if I ever got captured by them
if I wanted to so
we weren't given
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so we were supposed to try to survive
but there were if we were captured by
either the insectoids or the reptoids we
were supposed to simply not resist
and Penny when when I asked Courtney
hunt why do you want me to go because
they trained me in 1980. and then
Courtney's cover for CIA was an Exxon
station
the intersection of Mason and Devonshire
in Chatsworth California where my family
was living
really from 1972 forward
so I've been living there like eight
nine years and it was the next summer
81.
when
I went back to work at that gas station
and Hunt was used
as basically my second Mars training
officer after major Ed Dames in summer
of 80.
and he said look do you want to go to
Mars
and I said well I never wanted to be an
astronaut tell me why do I have to go to
Mars
and I'm absolutely certain he said
because the survival of the human race
on Earth depends on it and I'm sure he
didn't mean just by me going I think he
might have even added
we need young people like yourself
to take this bid and go to the red
planet now
what would be the explanation for Hunt's
comments Visa the the presence of the
um
the reptoids both on the surface of the
red planet and Below surface of this
planet low Grand on Earth what were they
afraid of was it a Reptoid
Resurgence on Earth that would be
initiated on mars or what were they
trying to achieve vis-a-vis the reptoids
on Mars just to destroy all of them
their plan is to exterminate them so
that when we go into a phase where we
are in our Dark Age that they won't
exterminate all of us now
you know that's that's
atypical military stance but at the same
time
what's going on is earth goes through a
phase every
few thousand years
where
stuff happens on the surface the
okay I'm trying to put this in language
my audience understands
it has a slippage of the crust
that looks very similar to a pole flip
but isn't exactly and we end up with the
actual poles migrating and if you look
through
the alignment of certain ancient
buildings you'll find where the actual
pole north pole has shifted
toward
away from England and towards Russia
it's currently somewhere in western
Canada
but it's heading towards
Russia
and uh
this slippage is 500 years overdue
and the um the American government
got this information from I believe it
was The Zeta reticuli
and it's available on the
CIA archive website the file is called
the Adam and Eve story
now
I had my doubts about it but at the same
time the CIA is taking it very seriously
and so they are moving
the best and the brightest of our young
people to Mars hoping to survive as a
civilization there while this slippage
occurs here
at least there's a document
large parts of it are redacted still but
at least there's a document
right I'm saying I know I had a
three-day lecture
on essentially sort of a coming Global
superstorm type of scenario involved
involving global cooling
when I was on Project Pegasus that was
in 1971 or 72.
yeah I remember lines of like Robert
Felix's Ice Age
premises and let's say Outdoors global
warming
I remember that in the 70s that it was
the ice age was coming and then when Al
Gore came it was
you know global warming is here and now
they're just calling it climate change
and
um I'm seeing extremes rather than one
way or the other but at the same time
this story about slippage is very
concerning to me because
it
from the the file it sounds like it
starts with either Yellowstone
in Montana Wyoming or it starts with the
Long Valley Caldera on the Eastern side
of the Sierras here in California
now
I I live in the Sierras
so that's pretty pretty close to home
well I know
I think it was between 1960 and 70.
they moved a third of the American
people west of the Mississippi River
uh I think in 1960 two-thirds of the
population was east of
and then by 1970 could have been perhaps
1980
they had moved two-thirds of the
population west of the Mississippi
so my reading of that was that that was
responsive to the Ice Age theories that
the CIA had in the 70s
in the early step the late 60s and early
70s
in which
they were expecting to lose New England
and the northern states to glaciation
we know that during the last ice age the
glaciers came down to the southern
Kansas yeah border
for example engineering companies like
my dad's employer the Ralph had Parsons
company the world's largest process
engineering company then and now
from New York City to Los Angeles and so
forth that was going on all over the
place
in the late 60s early 70s so that the
Junior High and high school I went to in
Chatsworth Lawrence and I'm in
Chatsworth High
every other kid's father was like an
engineer or a technical writer
for the defense department so there's
definitely a major
cultural shift that was going on let's
say in the early 70s there
before I even went to Mars in which we
were moving Personnel South by South by
Southwest
um and that that I think was responsive
to more of an Ice Age type of concern or
some kind of planetary shifter but by
the way if there was
a new polar center moving from western
Canada over to Russia what would be the
favorable part of the United States
within our own
ability to move places
the favorable part of the United States
would be the Pacific Northwest except
that if you start this this
cycle of of volcanic activity the
Pacific Northwest is covered with
volcanoes and we have
we have proof in
the flows that cover east of their
for hundreds of miles that in the past
they've been they've been an issue so
other than the volcanoes the Pacific
Northwest would be the place to go now
my reading of the Adam and Eve files
there will be parts of California that
will remain as islands and I live on one
of those
but the best places for that scenario
are
um
the Eastern side of the Rockies
um
the alleghenies south of Virginia
you know
the Ozarks
the hillbilly areas those are going to
be the safest places because if their
scenario is right all of the coastal
cities of California are going to slip
and slide
now that fault the San Andreas is a
sideways fault it's not an up and down
fault so I have serious issues with that
part of the scenario because
uh sideways side slip faults do not just
suddenly
succumb underneath everything now if
they were going to go with the faults
that are that are down the center of the
Great Valley at that point they have
they have an issue or even the faults on
the Eastern side of the Sierras those
are up and down faults but at this but
the one on the coast that they're
claiming is is what's going to happen
it's it's not physically possible
and so I keep looking at this and going
you know if they're talking about the
San Andreas that Interstate 5 basically
follows
then
that's not possible because it's a
sideways where the
western part of the the land mass is
moving North and the eastern part is
moving south
so you know the way that fault is
operating you're going to have Baja in
where Santa Barbara is in the next
million years but if you're looking
further east
that's that there is a slip fault
where the eastern Sierras are rising
along a fault face
but it forms
like when you only raise one side of a
plate the other side goes down you have
that in the middle of the valley and
right now you can't see it because it's
covered with with sand from Rivers
you know the the alluvial fill is is
disguising it but that that one
underneath the valley
that one could very well do exactly what
they're describing
they've just got it they've just got it
100 miles west of where it would really
happen
um my background
um
I studied geology
I studied chemistry I studied physics I
was pre-med microbiology at San Diego
State in 1980 to 1982.
so yeah I do have some background to
talk about this
so
um
yeah a lot of people think that because
I talked about that I served with the
Germans that that I don't have any
background but yeah I was pre-med
microbiology and I took all of these
science courses to do that
and then I was diagnosed with lupus
so
I since I'm retired from being disabled
I have all this time to research
there's always a blessing right oh yeah
to every clown
yeah the Silver Lining is that I have
time to to check out the CIA archive and
uh
find the files that they're talking
about and go through them and compare
them to the actual science and see
what's what's real and what isn't and
that's that's something that I don't see
a lot of people doing mostly because
they have to work for a living and they
don't have time to do it
right I think there's also a question of
time domains that goes on exported I
know for example
Ivan C Browning Dr Browning was one of
the
Federal scientists that I met very
frequently on Pegasus in fact when we
met a young Bill Clinton shortly after
he'd been informed of his future
presidency
the only other people at the table in
addition to myself and my father
were Dr Harold M Agnew the director of
the program
Joe connason of Parsons and Dr Ivan
because Ivan C Browning okay and Ivan
was
always talking about the Madrid fall but
he was always thinking of or encouraging
the idea of moving to New Mexico
and then he determined that Within
a relevant time domain relative to our
survival or our lifetimes
it would make more sense to go to places
with fresh drinking water and enough
water at all
drought was going to be the real issue
so he moved to Coeur d'Alene Idaho and
my source on that was his daughter
Browning Garris before I spoke with for
several hours about 10 years ago so
you know Ivan was director of science
and technology for CIA from 1959 to 74.
right during this period of Isa studies
and
you know
Global you know polar magnetic shift
speculation so I think that's what he
concluded that it would be better
to go to Coeur d'Alene Idaho because of
the deep
fresh
Lakes you know freshwater lakes well
that makes sense drinking water then to
go to
New Mexico just to avoid an ice age
well at the same point it's the same
Pacific Northwest
Territory that I talked about it but
it's sitting sitting right smack between
all of the volcanic regions
my uncle used my uncle used to work for
the Geological Survey and he was
stationed out of
chalice out of Idaho for years
he was a cartographer
well I spent about six months living up
in Sun Valley Idaho
in 2014 2013 2014. and I was amazed the
degree to which the Sun Valley Community
is survivalist they definitely think
they're going to be able to sort of
pinch off that that Valley and protect
themselves from
you know Marauders
clean
geological disasters or military
incursions or something there's a real
underground of survivalism in Sun Valley
I'm talking
Hayley Ketchum Sun Valley
there's there's that element here too
um
we have two different militia groups
here that are both survivalists they're
different religious backgrounds but
other than that they're basically
identical
one claims Christianity the other claims
Satanism but to look at him on the
street you couldn't tell them apart
they're both wearing military camos and
armed to the teeth
and the police step aside for them
but yeah there are parts of California
that are just as conservative and
redneck as any place in the Deep South
or in
the states like Idaho
so
and a lot of this a lot of the country
doesn't realize that because all they
hear about are the coastal cities
so
it is what it is we're all we're all
doing what we can to survive at the best
we know how
so uh when you were on Mars you talked
about Critters that I don't remember
so
um
well there was an addition to the
reptoids that you described as bipedal
which I think is an important
distinction that I've made as well
but that it is
mystification
confabulation let's say a Randy Kramer
missed
and was claiming that
they were not
uh
that that the
insectivoids were also bipedal the
insectivoids we had contact with
had multiple appendages I would estimate
10 to 12. they looked like big
multi-opengined
appendage
grasshoppers
with saber teeth
about the size of a small garbage truck
and they could just absolutely slice
somebody up that's one that
William B stillings and I ran from for
about a mile
until we were readily exhausted
on the surface I I don't remember the
grasshopper ones and I do remember the
ants
um
I remember
I remember the ground basically crawling
with a small
insects and reptiles
um
also snakes there were a lot of snakes
on the surface absolutely I was worried
about falling on one and getting bitten
yeah snakes lizards
um
what I have the most nightmares about
are the spiders
and the spiders would hatch out they'd
be the size of your hand but by the time
I encountered them they would be
from six feet across to 15 feet across
and
they were nasty
I hope you never encountered one
I can't discount that being covered by
Dames in our biological briefings but I
fortunately was able to evade that
and I think that also you know you think
of the
extensible fragility of a spider
regardless of its size because of its
distribution of mass and surface area
and so forth and long legs I think that
was probably
determined by bio and what
latitude you were at now were you in the
middle
latitudes between the equatorial and the
polar or were you more primarily
deployed to the equatorial or conversely
the polar regions because I was never in
those regions
just the middle attitudes I was normally
in flying over
the northern mid-range to polar regions
um well that would explain the different
animals that we encountered because I
was simply never in the polar regions
now um
I know you know of Doris Neely
she yes
she is a retired CIA archivist and she
graced me with several interviews where
we went over
my testimony versus what she had
uploaded about me
and she mentioned several Critters that
I have no actual memory of
um
and I asked her about your grasshoppers
because I didn't remember them and she
said oh yeah they're real
and she was she was
um
frustrated because she said most of my
report from Mars was about the Flies
there and I frankly don't remember them
at all
so uh and by the way she did also
confirm my veracity based on government
records just as you confirmed yours yeah
I I knew she had you and I Penny we can
confirm that Doris Neely of the CIA
confirm that both of us were in
government files that she had access to
and I have seen the documents where she
sued the CIA for racial discrimination
and it went to the Supreme Court and she
was given permission to sue them and
that verifies that she did indeed work
for them
so I've had people question that
so yeah she sued the CIA which is proof
that she worked for them
and those those documents are public
record
to the extent that their lawsuit was not
thrown out of court as frivolous or
failure to State acclaim Under 12 B1 or
12 B6
of the federal rules of civil procedure
that's an amount to an admission by the
government that
our claims were valid because she worked
for them so
so
um yeah she verified both of us
um
my group of Montauk survivors that I had
a round table with last Memorial Day
weekend she verified that she had files
on all of them as well so there are
close to a dozen of us know that she
verified and
I'm really grateful that she did because
we had no other way of
having any kind of proof the way that
the CIA has classified us
I was told by Courtney Hunter the CIA to
transfer from UCLA to Columbia
University so as to enter in Fall of
1981
and my colleague Barry satoro who later
changed his name from Barack Obama by
1983 and even I encountered him even
back then in summer of 1983 when he was
using the name Barack Obama she
confirmed Obama's Presence at the CIA
in kind of a state department
lesson plan in other words he was being
specifically sort of introduced
to liaison between CIA and State
hmm
I remember that when I was in training
in summer of 80
. he showed me readings he was getting
for the presidency including
I think it was the U.S Supreme Court
under the American
constitutional system or something of
that nature by Professor Lawrence tribe
of the very law school he would then go
on to attend eight years later or for
law school
so yeah I knew he was at Harvard I knew
he was at Harvard Law School
well she's a major Insider as to
confirming both your service on Mars my
own and the fact that when we raise the
issue of President Obama being one of
our fellow astronauts in Project Mars it
was not an attempt to attack him it was
not based on any particular hostility
towards him or a black president or
black people or any
irrelevant issue it was based on the
fact that he served with us and he was
president and he was making a joke of it
because he I guess he didn't want to be
tied to CIA but we'd have Doris Neely of
the CIA to thank for confirming
your service on Mars mine and the fact
that the President Obama card that we
played
uh those of us in the church movement
regarding our service on the red planet
were simply identifying everybody up
there we didn't just talk about Barry as
we would call President Obama because
that's what he how I identified himself
as Barry sotoro of Indonesia it wasn't
part of the so-called birther
controversy we were identifying
everybody who had served like Regina
Dugan through President Obama appointed
the 19th and first female director DARPA
on July 20th of 2009. William Cameron
McCool of the space shuttle program and
so forth and all of the people done by
the mainstream media into the Obama on
Mars story and that also horrified us as
an artist for relevancy
yeah
um I didn't know the people that were on
the American side
um
I know faces from some of the people
that were on the German side
and the ones that I remember didn't work
for the CIA they ended up working for
the NSA
and that's a distinction I think should
probably be out there something that I
haven't mentioned before and it was the
NSA who
activated my memories so
I've been shot at repeatedly with energy
weapons and to be honest I really don't
know exactly who's doing it but
I don't know who would have a motive
after the government itself activated me
why would they be shooting me for talk
for talking
I mean it makes no sense
well Penny I would explain that to
factionalism within the Intel community
and Military because when I came forward
on a lecture basis in 2004.
in Portland Oregon
um while practicing law here in
Washington State
um
Virginia olds are the CIA who I met when
I was a child on Pegasus
told me that because I was speaking
clearly
and I was telling accurately what
happened and I wasn't engaging in
opposed Vietnam syndrome of all these
fault in the government as a bunch of
male factors of one sort or another they
were going to let me go forward but that
was only
that was only several years after a
representative
of the executive office of President
George W bush had told me that if I
didn't stop investigating writing about
or talking about
the time travel devices I was exposed to
in Project Pegasus which remained a
sensitive compartmentalized National
Security Secrets they the Bush
Administration couldn't guarantee my
survival so the implications was either
a warning or a threat but at the same
time
I can't
I can't discount the possibility if they
were literally reporting to me and they
were briefing me on the fact that some
other faction would attack me talking
about these time travel devices so that
could be a breakaway civilization it
could be a foreign power I don't know
but I do know
that when I ran for president in 2016
and was living in directing my campaign
that doesn't pardon me from Charlotte
North Carolina
him and then when I went back to
Washington State
I did have experiences that very well
could have been directed energy weapons
being directed at me on the street level
I just don't know if I what I saw I
thought I saw
but after the initial event
in like March of 2016 by April of that
year my retinas were bleeding
and that gradually led to such serious
vision loss by 2018 that I had to have
six operations on my eyes in 2019. yeah
I remember you had those
I remember you had to have those
surgeries
um
I don't know if you knew I can I
contributed towards your fund or not but
um I I do remember that thank you it was
it was something that those of us in the
community who care about the truth
should have contributed
that's how I felt about it well I I
adhere to Mark passio's view of natural
law
that which is good will adhere
to our positive Karma that which is evil
will adhere to our negative Karma so
you've been blessed just for doing that
and I thank you for doing that for you
and I thank you
um I've listened to a lot of Mark
passio's work I find him
relevant
I would really love to have him on my
show if he decides to join me
um
I think he would
knowing that the intellectual caliber or
both of you I think that that would be a
fruitful discussion
um
I've had a tutor for some time who is
who was born into an Illuminati family
and
he has been
teaching me the way things really are
here
and
I reached a point
about a year ago that he decided that uh
I was his equal so
that was a shock
wow
he he put on his his Facebook wall that
I was family
and that was that was that mattered to
me
whenever someone has taken the effort to
teach you and then they decide to to let
the world know that that you made the
grade that's that matters
so
but yeah I grew up in one of those
families where women were were supposed
to
take care of the house and the kids and
not know anything so it was very
different from my experiences in the
programs and I had a very difficult time
doing that and still do
seen and not heard is not my style
so but what I've been alienated by and I
could probably led to my decision to
come forward
and tell the truth about these programs
is the disruption
and the creation of disbelief among
family members old friends
and members of the general public I
don't think
that those of us who were brought into
special access programs in childhood
were ever subjected to any social equity
in terms of what they promised in terms
of paying us our military decorations
and so forth
I mean I went on to turn five
post-secondary degrees because they had
worked so extensive with with me in
childhood as a whiz kid
to give me specialized education I mean
I had such
knowledge in my head
that during the college quiz Bowl
the questioner said centuries before it
nip
and before being able to complete the
question centuries before Nicholas
Copernicus
developed his heliocentric theory of the
universe this Greek philosopher did and
he just said centuries before it mid
I chimed in and said who was aristarchus
of Samos so I have stuff and stuff up
inside my mind
that made me inevitably a lifelong
scholar I still am
I mean on a weekend I'll sit on our cave
art our dining room table and listen to
Siri and ask questions about certain
nutrients and stuff of Siri and make
these lists of what I should be eating
and so forth I've never really stopped
learning but I'm glad you suspend for
special access programs I am very glad
you found a way around your vision
problems that makes me really happy
because if if the large letters with
sharpies but I can still
if
I were in the position that you've been
in since your surgeries I would be just
going absolutely crazy
I kind of am I I'm not going to figure
out what to do during Dallas
okay Master Spanish for example and and
possibly even French so I may be doing
that I'm thinking about you know
listening books by my favorite authors
you know favorite novelist and historian
on Audible I can figure a way to type
that into me okay at my balancing clinic
but that would be cool
you know I really believed in mutant our
time but what I think was
officious and offensive about these
personal access programs with a couple
things one was creating all these
specialized teams with all this
incredible achievement
and originally comparing really
valuable rare life experience but they
didn't realize reads of alienation
from those in our families or among our
lifelong friends who simply wouldn't
believe what we were talking about
because we didn't share it when we were
in it or of course we didn't share if we
were in it
secret yeah you know you look around
blabbing about things that we jeopardize
operational security
so I think that
our military
and are in detail Community we're
lacking certain capacious measure
of how people brought it into special
access permit we're going to code
with the alienation from the disbelief
which is completely unfair
and I mean I had statements from people
you know anyway before you hear anything
look I should tell my nextborn neighbor
that I work for the CIA and I'm not
going to believe
yeah you can you can tell people you did
anything that looks out of the ordinary
and they are simply not going to believe
you
you know I had already arrived when I
came forward on both project headed to
send project Mark I had written
projections so
I had been a protege in college with
Norman Cousins at UCLA I had published
Environmental Policy papers of the
international peer-reach level
I had been admitted to the Washington
bar and then later the U.S District
Court for the Western District of
Washington
and people never sit back and you know
Richard Hogan was saying I was a
non-person I was a legend scripted by
the CIA when all of my academic and Law
related records were right there on the
internet unlike most people
yeah so
yeah
sort of convenient pattern of disbelief
by most Americans not to be person but
really everybody's talking about the
professional Access program what we've
actually done
as a civilization
because I think it also feeds in to the
invasion of the American and federal
governmental responsibility to do things
like finally pay us I think it's a very
exciting to convenient
adherence to this belief
well I think the pay issue has to do
with
with deniability there were crimes that
involved for most of us I was kidnapped
out of my bed when I was four
um that that's still a federal felony I
was
mind fractured through sexual abuse
that's still a federal felony I was uh
weaponized my say abilities were
weaponized that's
as well as mine yes and that's still a
felony so there the people involved
don't want to be charged with these
crimes and if they pay us it
acknowledges that we were there and
generally telling the truth
um and so I've I've Found You may have
encountered this term I've had it rather
recently despite all these years
and that is that within the intelligence
this pattern of pushing people off deck
and denying that they've observed or
that their programs existed and they're
not paid that's known as a ghost
and I want to see a U.S senator stand up
on his or her hind leg and get rid of
this ghost picture this is fundamentally
unamerican and anti-constitute
unconstitutional to two of you people on
its way and then just cheated about
everything that they and the usually the
father but whatever parent or parents
decided to allow them to participate in
these programs were told they were lying
to everybody
as a standard operating procedure I even
found out from Dr Gene Maria Arrigo of
California a UC San Diego educated
social psychologist
yeah that
in the Intel Community those make that
20 percent who are doing things
operationally are known as operators
the other eighty percent are analysts
but the people that exploit frequently
young people even very young children to
accomplish certain missions are known as
operatives and operatives are never a
firmed they're never paid and they're
constantly abused and liked so in that
sense the CIA is an evil organization
and I've studied what it's actual
substrates may have been
Courtney hunt said it was actually the
Vatican
that the company was originally the
company Jesus in other words the Jesuit
that the Catholic confessional for
example was the beginning of collecting
intelligence data on everyday citizens
now that's that's consistent with what
the Germans taught me in Schuler they
said
that
ninety percent of what
Germans on Earth are blamed for were the
actions of Jesuits
and that if the people would actually
pay attention
to
what other organizations those people
were involved in that they would find
all of the perps were Jesuits first and
whatever else they were second
and every time every time I bring that
up I get told well you're just you're
just an advocate for the Germans
and I'm like you know you really need to
know who the enemy is and that was one
thing that I
found
you know I've already mentioned that I
had this tutor from an Illuminati family
and when you go through their documents
you start finding this common thread of
the Vatican is behind a lot a lot a lot
of genocides throughout the entire world
including the doctrine of Discovery is
what
the horrors of colonialism were based on
and that was a Vatican
papal order
so now we have that at the core of many
of today's problems
and at least in in the factions that I
was involved in out there
oh that's terminology that my group uses
Here and Now is here on Earth real world
what everybody else sees out there is in
the project
so
um
what we're seeing out there is that the
entire economy is based on slavery
completely
everything if they actually had to pay
those people
it would bankrupt Earth
all of the 30 plus trillion dollars that
have been missing from
the the Pentagon funding
in the in this Century all of it went
for special access projects
all of it and if they actually had to
pay those operatives it would bankrupt
the country
right that's one thing that hunt
mentioned that the 50 000 ghosts that he
knew about
if they got what they were owed plus
damages could potentially bankrupt the
uh
Treasury
oh yeah
and then you have to look at the The
Exchange stabilization fund that slash
fund that the president gets access to
and it might even make rip that
well I think it could work out some kind
of
you know million dollar annuity paid
let's say at 40 000 for 25 years
something like that without bankrupting
the country I think that that's what
they should do I think they should give
an adequate somewhat generous pension to
those involved in off-planet activity
and particularly dangerous activity both
in space and on Earth
including time travel for example and
obviously those are two areas in which I
serve I think there'd be other examples
but I'd like to see sort of a
a 40-year pension
or let's say a 25-year pension at 40 000
a year something like that that we could
afford and that we should be considering
but I think we're spending money on
doing things like finding second third
medications
for certain diseases that have already
been cured
and that can be reformed By changes in
personal Behavior
that big Pharma is pushing can sell
another product
and there's been that sort of
weaponization of medicine in a very
negative way relative to overall equity
in American society
there's been a lot of us and I know I've
been I'd like to contacted by many
people
since I came forward publicly in 2004 I
would estimate
maybe about a thousand
maybe about 500 of which had
callable claims of
talking about real service and special
access programs so it's a fairly large
group of
those of us in the baby boom
I've
done counseling with about 500
individuals
and I started in
2015 I came public in 2016.
and
I'd say
two-thirds of them
actually had some sort of service
the others watched too many videos and
they had dreams and assumed that meant
they were part of us
that sounds
a lesson shared with me and I cannot
remember it but there's basically
that psychiatrics or psychological
syndrome of somebody sees something very
stimulating you know whether it's a
brilliant race down the slopes in the
Olympic
uh skiing events
or hears about somebody's service and
space for the SSP and they believe it
happened to them I think that's part of
it and so in that sense I think we have
to be circumspect
it's about air claim it and they explore
what is the origin of their belief
system but I think it's all of the above
I think it's real experiencers I think
it's a mix of opportunists a mix of
delusional or you know fantasists and
maybe also a mix of government
disinformants and I think we have to
listen
and then just arrive at our own
conclusions and share our thoughts with
others about what somebody has claimed I
mean people find let's say I don't know
I'll just use an example Tony Rodriguez
very credible I haven't read his book
because I lost my vision before it was
published okay but I haven't read his
book because I've been working on my own
but I have known Tony since before he
went public
and he and I have
talked a lot over the years
and he did at one point distance himself
from me whenever he was being involved
with Gaia
and uh
his core story is too real to be
discounted the the that's what everybody
I know who's reading this book says and
I haven't read it
um I I did have about a three hour
conversation with Tony
and one thing that struck me is that all
of the data points of his memories
are original so it's not a case of
somebody rehashing what's already been
claimed yeah
um that much I know after talking that
yeah his his stories about his time in
Seattle he's been able to
verify by visiting the place
his his stories about his time in
South America
the sites he describes are are
verifiable on Google Maps
um
as far as as series what he says about
series makes perfect sense and his his
time on Mars is consistent with what I
know happened with slaves there with the
Germans
um
his description of German officers was
so on point that I had to apologize to
him because I was a German officer
I felt many of the things we talked
about had the Ring Of Truth when I told
her I talked to him back in
early 2021
yeah
yeah that was when he was still working
on his book and uh yeah
he's been on my show a couple of times
um
we haven't talked a lot about his
personal story because
to be honest you get on these these
shows
and they want your story one-on-one
introductory version every time and you
just get bored with it
certainly no I've done about 500. yeah
yeah it gets where it's like I really do
not want to talk about that again and
when I hit that point I was really rude
to several people who were gracious and
had me on their show and I was like I
don't want to talk about that
I want to talk about this other thing
and some of them I would just you know
I'm going to talk about this and you can
just
keep up if you can
and I look back on that and I'm like oh
my God I was horrible
so yeah
but you do you get to where you just
don't want to talk about it anymore and
so when I've had him on that was our
understanding was that we were going to
talk about something else
um I think at the same time because
everybody's going through the blog of
sphere you know and even the mainstream
media from different vectors
it usually is beneficial
to share your information as much as
possible because
there's so many people out there who
still haven't heard all of our accounts
and uh it's a big country and a big
world
and uh I mean I've done a lot of media
and uh
still meeting people that have maybe
heard me once
you know five years ago or ten years ago
so I think it kind of helps to
share information because it takes
something like nine times
of repetition for somebody to remember
something or learn something
so um well there's this this man in
Romania
his name is Daniel Salah
and he has spent
thousands of hours going through every
video I've ever done
and he's made a collection of the other
topics
that I've mentioned and the host didn't
pick up on
and he's he's done like collages
and put them together where they made
sense and he would he would have me
watch them before he made the public to
make sure that that
what he had me saying was actually what
I meant to say which I really respect
that he's doing that
and and his uh
his YouTube is Saint Olga
69. now anyone who knows the history of
Eastern Europe
Saint Olga was the wife of a king
and he was murdered and the The Village
who did it she went through and
destroyed it
so she was she was really a Powerhouse
so he chose he chose somebody important
to name his
his uh Channel after
but
I'm not recommending that anyone spend
thousands of hours watching my stuff
but if you get in the mood I think after
group
radio
a radio and podcasts have been
serving interest American people whereas
television is completely corrupt it's
clearly the fourth branch of government
it does nothing but lie and disassemble
about any truth teller
that agrees to be interviewed I mean I
had
such mistreatment
and absolute
breach of contract
defamation of character and subversion
of my truth
by Matt Markovich at KOMO which is the
ABC affiliate in Seattle
I was interviewed by Ben Debona of ABC
Disney and then my my material was taken
and used in Fringe
and then Markovich pointed to it
and said I had been inspired by Fringe
which was like okay steal from the guy
and then say he was inspired by it
um uh you know of course I knew I was
doing a comedy when I did weird or what
and calling William Shatner
he claimed my dad's name was Walter
bashaga Raymond Francis bashado
that was kind of weird
um
well Walter was the main character that
mealy mouth statement about me at the
end of the episode of conspiracy theory
that I did with Governor Ventura that
was
actually yeah I I was I was surprised
that he he did the mealy mouth with you
yeah that really surprised me it was
scriptured by Michael Braverman and it
was just absolute character
assassination of a truth teller and I
can't believe that Governor Ventura who
positioned himself as
you know an independent
and not working for the government would
do that I think it actually indicated
that Governor Ventura was working for
the U.S department when he attacked me
in the same way that he attacked David
Ike on conspiracy theory it was
completely contrary to what he had
actually demonstrated with me and I had
demonstrated on his show
it was like getting up and
you know watching
I don't know a crash at the Indianapolis
500 and then doing some mealy-mouth
speech at the end of the broadcast well
we didn't see a crash today in the Indy
500 thank God you know it was a complete
subversion of the truth and Governor
Ventura was complicit in that so if
anybody wants to study
why I believe that television is the
fifth the fourth branch of government
and completely an instrumentality of the
deep State go no further than Governor
Ventura's treatment of man conspiracy
theory well all you have to do is look
at uh William Colby's testimony to the
church Committee in
1975 where he said that when the when
everything the public believes is a lie
we will have succeeded
all right what did Richard Helm say when
he was DCI that anybody of any Import in
television news is in our pocket yes
something like that yes that that's the
gist of it
television is used as a vehicle of
disinformation and as a contactee
other worked on the Ram Jet to chase the
et's away from our planet beginning
70 years ago this year 1952.
I can vouch for the fact that this kind
of paranormal caught on camera fixation
of oh look some lights in the sky is a
disinformation per se
uh the the obsession with lights in the
sky most of which are American ships
just just totally mortifies me and yet
that's what ninety percent of the
disclosure movement is obsessed with
the other 10 percent is obsessed with
with debunking it
you know the people are
waiting for disclosure when they haven't
even revealed to the American people
after 70 years that the ETS were tracing
certain
industrial materials like gallium
arsenide on the clothing of Aerospace
Community workers like my dad and
literally following them home so they
could contact or abduct their children
to see if this questionable species that
had rockets and nuclear weapons and was
beginning to blow them up
destroying the physical substrates of
the known universe yeah it was that that
was going on 70 years ago and they're
still obsessed with lights in the sky
yeah I mean even in 1967 68 my dad and I
saw this huge Flying Saucer above Morris
Plains New Jersey it must have been at
least four times the size of the
Goodyear plan
I I've often mentioned that if that [ __ ]
was size reference to the size of a
pelican
the three Chinook helicopters
multi-roader helicopters that were
trailing it kind of monitoring it would
have been about the size of mosquitoes
it was huge and when I said what is it
Dad
that I don't know son I can tell you
this
it wasn't developed by any country on
this planet
so you know we've we've had really
dramatic
contact cases and sightings that have
been completely verified by multiple
Witnesses
and they're still focusing on these
vague lights in the sky I just consider
it so ridiculous American people
are allowing themselves to be lied to
like this and that's why I lauded the
recent move by Richard Hoagland or
excuse me Richard Dolan
to
acknowledge that one of the reasons for
the post-war saucer flat as it were was
our practice of blowing up nuclear
weapons oh yeah that's been obvious
since 1947 when
what was it
um
the nuclear plant in Tennessee and
drawing a blank on the name of it and
then George Washington
was it again Oak Ridge Oak Ridge Oak
Ridge Tennessee Hanford Washington and
Roswell New Mexico those were the three
most important nuclear locations on them
on the American continent and that was
essentially the the most significant
cases of the 1947
flat of overflows well and then then you
still have it was
when Chernobyl happened there was a
saucer overhead that was seen to have
shot it with lasers
you know
somebody out there is still angry that
we're using nuclear power and nuclear
weapons because we're affecting the
substrate
now with the education that kind of that
Chernobyl was struck by an
extraterrestrial craft
yes it was it was that's documented it
was struck by an extraterrestrial craft
uh Witnesses saw laser beams coming out
of the graft
I have a huge following in the former
Soviet Union
uh
no I don't know why but uh these folks
have been supplying me with all kinds of
information
um and official documents
that I have to put through Google
Translate to even know what they're
sending me
and it's it's incredible the information
that's coming out of there
um
I know Jacques Valley was taking into
post-documents from the former Soviet
Union
going back to the period right after the
fall of the Berlin Wall mm-hmm
um Paul Stonehill
is
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Soviet documents about UFOs and Usos the
ones that are submersible
underwater
and now Paul was a Soviet Russian wasn't
he using a western name
I know he was a Soviet Russian I don't
know if he's
American now or not
you know we do nationalized folks
but um
I know that I have listened to several
of
to way too many of his videos and he
comes up with some incredible stuff
I'm and has document documents for all
of them and I'm just I'm really
impressed with this work
but um every conference I've ever been
to the top name speaker
is some kind of an agent
and I'm
beginning to really get frustrated with
that because so many of those agents are
just
spewing disinformation
and because they're the top name that's
who everybody listens to
and right and if you just point that out
and offer evidence and support of such
conclusions what happens as somebody in
the truth movement you're attacked for
doing what telling the truth and the
truth so that he's epistemological
complications of let us say that we have
to get past and the truth movement and
one of them is that
telling the truth to falsehood is
somehow an attack on the truth no it's
an attack on falsehood and it's a
promotion of Truth
well I think that those of us who have
served through the special access prop
programs
not the public out there who's listening
and judging and and complaining all the
time
but those of us who have actually been
there
we understand that these
agencies
don't have our best interests at heart
and
I've been especially sitting here going
why are we putting these agents at the
top of the pile why are we treating them
like they know more than we do why are
we listening to the disinfo why are we
sharing the disinfo
I mean well look at the fact that Penny
I presented a
taglio of that second type of Martian
humanoid what I named homo martus martus
or a Mars man or a woman on Mars
they're the little spindly ones that I
believe were the ones that were there
when
earthlings got there in Antiquity and of
course that group of earthlings was cut
off from us eleven thousand five hundred
years ago has been breeding in isolation
so they're basically slightly different
than us there's that group of homo
marches terrorists
a name which means Earth man or woman on
Mars that are much closer to us but then
there's that smaller spindly sort of
more elephant ones
the men look sort of like Marty Feldman
some of them have been and I
but anyway I had described that second
type and as well as the first for years
many years yeah I know you have my
organization the Mars not only research
Society found this
stunning and taglio one looking straight
forward and that was placed on the Coast
to Coast AM website
in August of 2013.
already almost 10 years ago next to
August
and yet a year or two ago or even a year
ago they were releasing that picture of
a door on Mars you know there's always a
slight to the de minimis and people get
excited about this schlock that they're
being fed and they don't realize that
they're getting surrogate denatured
information to hide the major truths of
our universe
that's exactly what's happening an
example of that pattern the intactile
that I published on post which if it's
not still up there certainly it would be
through the way back machine which I
think was important
internet
.org or archives.org I find lots of
things on the way back machine I have I
have that bookmarked
right so you can use that to go back to
Coast I think I was on sometime in the
August 20s like the 21st or 23rd or 26th
something like that okay and it was a
stunning image of a Martian it wasn't of
a Martian it was clearly a drawing it
was a artwork artifact okay but when you
look at that you've got to realize how
does it make sense
to get all excited eight years later
about some possible door
on the Martian surface what I've shown
the door or the front of a Martian
resident
with this innate or rather ornate
drawing or intactly of some kind of a
Martian humanoid
and I love the way that George Noory
played that because it was kind of like
okay people try to deny this yeah so I
think I really won the case of Life on
Mars when that was finally shown
at least the existence of very advanced
ancient civilization there if not
current at least that much but the
bottom line was that all of those
amazing discoveries that Mars has done
over the last 14 years since I published
the discovery of Life on Mars in
December of 2008
it goes into like 25 or 35 people you'll
just published incredible stuff
and I found myself a couple weeks ago
debating with Dr Sala on his podcast of
whether my work was actually paradolia
well no you know the case for Life on
Mars has been improved and and not just
I but 34 other major Mars anomalists
have done so as well as confirmed um
both of us have been on the surface and
convert things that have been shown in
NASA's images
not even acknowledge that I exist
although he does use my term
my term knocked fluffin for the German
the German Fleet I mean everybody wants
to call them dark fade if you're
speaking German why would you call
yourself dark Fleet
so I wrapped my brain and dug up what I
remembered them calling their military
and I came forward with it and
2017
and n a a
interview
and uh
we copyrighted it Creative Commons
so that the so that nobody could take it
from the community
and I'm I've been shocked by how many
people use it and don't even acknowledge
that I exist it's like the title of
Glenn kasten's book wasn't it yeah
acting like I'm not even here and it's
like wait a minute
you know no I'm not asking for money but
it would be nice to be recognized
yeah I'd like to launch like an American
Integrity movement imagine how things
were just clarified me so much more real
if they're just pledge themselves to
personal integrity that's what I think
it's missing yeah we have somehow lost
personal Integrity
um and I'm just like you know okay you
use somebody's stuff you mention their
name
right we just circled again back to the
German question I want to ask you a
German subject in this field I want to
ask you do you have any contact with
Clark McClellan because the name sounds
familiar I traced the first reporting
about the German presence on Mars to
McClellan I was wondering if you had any
contact with him I have not had any
direct contact with him when I okay
my memories were activated by
an NSA agent who sat on the Russian desk
his name was
Stephen Wilhite and he was a master
sergeant in the Air Force but he was an
NSA translator
and in
April 2013
we met went to DC he you he used the
time frame he kept repeating my code
over and over and over and over and over
he obviously thought I was supposed to
get instant recall I did not it was
about a month later it just went plop
this huge blob of memories that we're
all in German
and
there were smells and tastes and feels
and and
blood everywhere
and and memories of being raped memories
of being
every every sexual crime that can be
done to its hodler was done to me and
being nailed inside a wall and left to
suffocate and and these were the kinds
of things that were done to me at
Langley now I knew I was at Langley and
then I had the memories of the jump gate
and I had memories of of being somewhere
dirt colored but mostly underground most
of the time
and then flying a ship and critters
Critters that were not on Earth so I
have you ever talked to Dr Ralph Kennedy
Johnston senior about his
by a living of the sky Taxi
for the Americans
no I have talked to Ken Johnston but he
did not talk about Mars
so uh
and I was
Facebook friends but never really talked
to
uh William white crow
so but at this point I'm like you know
this this is this is how I spent 2013
through 20 2015 was I had this big lump
of these memories that were horrific
and all all the all this talk was in
German
so how do we how do we establish the
Nexus between the German connection and
Langley do you think it kind of could
have been some kind of
compartmentalization of different
American Personnel on the surface I like
training raising some with the German
language and with this abusive
framework that you described because
I was I had some adverse treatment when
I was a child on Pegasus but not
anything more abusive than
um
sort of
getting memory suppressed after each
trip to Mars they were using what major
games described as the American reverse
engineered version of the Soviet leader
machine you might ask Paul Stone Hill or
another
um former Soviet Russian that you know
what Lita stands for because I've never
recovered it's capital l i d a some kind
of acronym for a Russian phrase
but it basically was a helmet you put on
that just subjected to you to like three
minutes of just absolutely
diabolical sound and kind of memory
wiped you afterwards of course we would
debriefed
I remember that helmet
I didn't know there was a name for it
so I do remember that helmet
but yeah it was it was just
I had these horrific memories and
they were all in German and I literally
had to do research to know what I was
remembering
so I've read all kinds of stuff and the
fact that it was in German and these
were things that were not available on
Earth led me to understand that I was in
some sort of a a
Germanic space program so that was the
direction I took with my research
and I ended up with Michael Ralph's
information I ended up with uh
everything I could find from anybody and
a lot of it I discarded immediately as
pardon my cousin but it was [ __ ]
and and I would you know if it was
religious based I would immediately toss
it but then I started looking back at
some of the ancient stuff and
the mythology because I had a background
with valkovsky and
I know he's not popular but it's okay
you know and uh
so um
yeah I did literally three years of
research before I came public because so
I can tell you who says what about what
because I did the research I did the
work
I can't give you a pure testimony
because I had to do the work to know
what I was remembering
and well I tracked white car down to
this prepper compound outside of Redding
awesome instructions stood up during the
meeting in his garden
with the late Edge sharaki and the lake
William white crew they're both gone now
or at least supposedly they are and
I I said you're you're my martial arts
teacher in Pegasus and then I ran into
you on the surface of Mars and you were
smiling and said yep
the micro knew for several years I was
trying to find them
through uh through at shiraki but I
didn't know the white crow
that he was referring to that he wanted
to introduce me to in outside of reading
was William Paris which is how I knew
him in Pegasus and possibly even on Mars
I think he might have already changed it
to his Shaman named William white crow
when we're on the surface of Mars but
that story that we told
about he and I using AR-15 to knock down
pterodactyl while we were protecting
William stillings if he could have a
firearm which Chris Hartman made fun of
on after midnight literally the the
husband of a Hearst you know like Phoebe
Hearst like the great granddaughter
William Randolph person was true and
that's I think the degree to which our
common culture has been debased the
husband of a hearse
and what were the Hearst journalism
values the Curious the interesting the
dramatic and the bizarre yellow
experience yellow Journey dramatic and
berserve and bizarre then knocking down
pterodactyls on the surface of Mars
so they don't bite your and your two
colleagues heads off after we had the
husband of a hearse making fun of us
after midnight on Comedy Central
hursts fairly pathetic and and
civilization Hearst and yellow
journalism are irrevocably linked
journalism if he had reported to us as a
yellow journalist our story about
fighting those pterodactyls on the
surface of Mars met the four criteria of
absolutely yellow journalism absolutely
interestingly dramatic and the bizarre
and yet instead they did the
um
Stephen Colbert and just ridiculed us
when we in fact were Brave American
astronauts who had defended ourselves
and our fellows at spread of being
killed on another planet and I think
that's just a measure of the degree of
debasement of the American civilization
by disinformation
television and the dumbing down of the
school system
have have completely destroyed the
ability of the average citizen to engage
in critical thinking of any kind and
it's frustrating I I go on Facebook and
I will make an intelligent post and
before I hit enter I go back through and
reword it down to sixth grade level
otherwise I get who
and
average of 100
. yeah just about 20 years ago was 107.
yeah and I get I get frustrated now I
know that President Reagan is the one
who destroyed the public school system
because he took out grammar rhetoric and
logic and those are the basis of what's
been called a classical education for
3000 years grammar rhetoric and logic
without them you are training people to
be slaves you are not training them to
live life as
adult human beings and
I don't understand
emotionally
why we have allowed this
I understand
intellectually why it's being done it's
because our generation yours and mine
figured out
that the government wasn't operating in
our best interests and we did a lot of
things that
undermined what they wanted to do so
they decided that they weren't going to
have smart people anymore
but why have we allowed it to go through
I mean we could have changed it at any
time take over the local school boards
and just changed it
well that's a that's a good thought
the Valentine
so we could still just take over the
local school boards and demand
grammar rhetoric and logic be taught
again when my sons
hit high school and they all took
geometry
I raised Havoc with this with the
teacher with the school with the school
board as to why they were no longer
teaching
two column proofs in Geometry why they
were not teaching logic in sophomore
English and geometry
I was told that children children that
age were not capable of understanding
logic
and yet I was 15 when I took it
I understood it just fine Penny they got
rid of analogies on the fat in the 90s
so they're literally saying a new
generation of American Kids couldn't
figure out analogies
you know it had been on there for what
50 years yeah
well that explains why the local school
children can't handle logic had four
kids that got perfect scores on the SAT
I'm one of those people I expect that if
my kid is going to school they're going
to learn a certain set of things and if
they're not learning that certain set of
things
I cause problems for the people that are
supposed to be teaching it that's an
interesting research question I wonder
I wonder who among sap claimants
can prove they were a National Merit
scholar that'd be an interesting I was
Coraline I was too and National Merit
finalist
um I was a National Merit finalist and I
had a full scholarship to go to Cornell
University and my father threw it away
because he said girls need husbands not
degrees
that was the particular
that was the particular wall that I kept
hitting against
so he married me off to a preacher who
beat me
but you know
I'm here I I
keep plugging along I haven't died yet I
still make sense when I talk everything
is experienced and our Spirits never die
so yeah I think we just have to write
things off to experience and know that
everything has a potentially formative
and constructive purpose ultimately
well I'm watching
a Supreme Court
dominated by six Roman Catholics
undo everything that guaranteed my
personal rights since the 1980s
and everything that I have studied about
history says that anything dominated by
Roman Catholics is not good for the
population
so
sorry if that sounds judgmental to folks
but it is what it is
well most most Americans don't even know
that Hitler and Himmler were Roman
Catholics I know
Hitler start right there Hitler
replaced
aristocracy in his organization's
with
Jesuits
and that was that was when things
got really bad
um
and that was one of the things that that
they talked about in
in Shula on Mars was they were looking
at what mistakes were made
and their conclusion was that religion
was behind
Warfare
hatred
most of the crimes on Earth
well religion means what it means a
linking band that's why I verged proton
a linking forward
why don't we use faith to create a
better world
in the final analysis we all die so
what's going to be left behind and
what's going to be here for those
in this situation
matters more than what has happened in
the past someone else focus on protein
religion anyway well my popular too
Progressive for some people but I think
it's just quite a logical sermon I think
that makes perfect sense
um
I've been public for two reasons
one
William Cooper said that if you know
they're going to kill you to hide in the
spotlight
that at least oh yeah that's what I call
the reverse Danny casellaro effect if
you have a sense of information and
putting that of personal experience
share it don't hide it yeah so that's
number one and
and number two
I want these programs to have to shift
from kidnapped children to consenting
adults that get paid
absolute that's why I'm public
so those two reasons so very important
cause
so
um anyone who has any ideas on how we
can accomplish that I would love to hear
them
now we're getting close to our two hours
that we agreed on are there any
final comments that that you wanted to
to leave the listeners with
not in particular I do have an upswing
of optimism
about the fact that I think we're coming
out of a period of
National crisis
and I think that we should all commit
ourselves to
more of a of a sense that what's worth
focusing on is what's forwarding
I think we've been stagnating as a
common culture
um and I would ask everybody to start
thinking again about
for example Abraham Lincoln's
surmise that the best way to predict the
future is to create it so let's go about
the business of doing so and I salute
you for working on that cause
as I hope I and my better moments would
have been regarded as doing as well I
think that's very important we've lost
sight of that and that we can recommit
ourselves as individuals and as a common
culture to doing just that to predicting
the future by creating it focusing on
better medical Technologies to assist
the disabled
and certain disabilities it's within our
grasp
many many worthwhile projects around the
country are just not being funded I've
studied this because of my vision
problems and my kidney problems and we
have to recommit ourselves to doing so
and I think it's within our grasp
regarding your kidney problems
um
I had a recent diagnosis scare and I did
some research and there is a mechanical
kidney
in animal testing and it's looking
really good
so you know which one is that because
I've studied all these developments are
you talking about the Hemo filter it's
the one that that they are installing it
just Upstream of your kidneys so they're
not removing anything
um well there's one that's going to be
about the size of a
small coffee cup
called the chemo filter that's going to
be placed near the pelvis that will
literally be attached to the kidneys and
or the nothing
can be attached to the bladder but
that's according to Dr Roy of Vanderbilt
University one of its two cope
progenitors the other
thing Dr frazel of UC San Francisco
in a recent uh podcast on YouTube
actually it was September 30th he stated
that he's very optimistic that we are
going to have such an artificial kidney
but not for about 10 years
as a dialysis fiction
I don't remember the name of it but it
was it was installed into the veins
themselves just Upstream of the kidney
it and and basically put a drain into
the bladder so it was in you can look
that up and report back to me I'd really
appreciate it because I've been
following the
the kidney project very closely and it
is optimistic we're going to be having
an artificial kidney yeah and it will do
really everything
that the kidney does except
develop procreate you'll have to get
procreate injections okay to build
hemoglobin
which is totally doable I'd be like a
couple shots
awaken in the tummy
they're rather than short hypodermic
needle but
that would get people off dialysis which
is a huge money waster it's now costing
the American people
about 3.3 trillion dollars a year
treat the 3.3 million Americans on
dialysis
about a million dollars each a year most
of it through Medicare at 80 for
Medicare federally and then 20 kick in
from on a state basis from Medicaid we
can get past that with the artificial
kidney but where it's where it is right
now
is it's not getting the funding to get
through clinical trials FDA approval
manufacturing agreements and
Manufacturing so that's kind of where
we're at with a lot of these amazing
developments in what I call the bionic
Revolution yeah that's something I think
we should turn our Focus to on the
medical front now that we're getting
beyond the covid-19 era
and um
we can do it
but I would love to know whether that is
actually the hemofilter
uh that you were
becoming informed about well I'll look
into that and let you know
yeah if it's Upstream from the kidneys
it might be another project because the
this is the filter this one was in
animal testing and I looked into it and
they wanted thirty thousand dollars to
be included in the clinical trials on
humans
so well
there's a lot going on you know it may
be another program
um that I haven't heard of
um because I I know the chemo filter was
not Upstream the kidneys it was actually
just down near the pelvis and very close
to the bladder as a result
now there's also going to be an
intermediary phase called the eye hemo
which is kind of the a miniaturized
dialysis unit that people have a
catheter in them just to be able to plug
in at home that'll be an advanced due in
about five years
uh so if you can find out the name of
that that project I would certainly uh
welcome hearing it and and open that one
up and educating myself on that on that
development okay
I'd be happy to do that
so you know we have to commit ourselves
to tell us this right which is progress
intelligently planned yes that was
America not panicking over pandemics
not panicking over the new thing of the
month every month
yes but but actually planning
improvements and then implementing them
that's what we used to do
we are now at two hours I would like to
thank you very much for joining me
I've had a full-time
um
if you're up to it we I'd love to have
you back
thank you all audience for listening
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