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welcome to nutcruffin Pilot with Penny
Bradley today's guest is Marina Soren
and
I had
a short bio for her that I
have to pull back up
because I forgot
hey we all know that I'm not perfect
or at least most people know I'm not
perfect I just admit it so okay
Marina's
bio is Marina Soren is a psychic medium
conscious Channeler
ET contact d slash abductee
experiencer of hybrid programs secret
space program psychic super soldier
slash insider and MK Ultra Monarch
Survivor
well that's quite a list
welcome Serena
ah I keep calling you Serena in my mind
I'm sorry Marina
um
yeah
I've seen you oh before you were public
here
yes and uh
a lot of that stuff we were both in uh
Misha Johnston's support group and all
of that information is private and I
will not share any of that
um what you wish to talk about here is
completely up to you
I tend to go to Misha's group on those
days when I need to see human faces when
I need to
be
one of the kids
because so many people think of me in
terms of space mama or I'm supposed to
be the person that they bounce
everything off of and I'm dealing with
my own memories
I have days whenever all I want to do is
cry
and so I go to Misha's group those days
just so people know
Misha Johnson does a great set of
support groups for different people
related to
um
Satanic ritual abuse to
SSP to Montauk kids to
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um
Monarch survivors which is what Misha
was and uh
she also does star seeds and
I guess you're calling them hybrids uh
uh there are a lot of us
who were hybridized by the
Black Ops
um I was one of those
because I was hybridized
physically with my DNA
a different kind of Soul was able to
come into my body than would normally be
in a human body
so I'm sure that's part of what your
story is
I have mentioned it before that
the agency who hybridized me used Alpha
Draconian DNA
with me
they were looking for
people
who had Draconian type psionic abilities
and that was that was their entire goal
and they
got what they wanted because I was able
to replace a Draco on a ship as a
navigator
some folks ask why I'm so valuable in
these programs it's because I replace a
Draco on a ship
so
you know which species here
hybridized with
yes I'm hybridized with um great great
DNA
in the space program
okay so you're
part of the Zeta hybridization program
yes but I quit it because they attacked
me
well that sucks yes
so uh what was their reasoning for
attacking you
um because you know they support this
idea that these children that are me
with grade in a on shifts and everything
they are supposed to come here to the
Earth to the surface and then mix with
us and replace us you know like create
another species and I should I support
Humanity so I I like the Natural
Evolution I mean it's okay to be
hybridized like us but I don't really
prefer beings that are not us coming
here and create another species to
replace us cool that's exactly the
attitude that I've got is they shouldn't
have been here in the first place
Homo sapiens has a lot of potential just
everybody else get their fingers out of
the pie and let them develop
so
that's good to hear so
um yeah that's one of the problems that
I've had dealing with my
like other people are calling them Star
Family is that I really just want those
guys
to maintain a hands-off and let humans
develop
I agree
so
that's one of the things I've tried to
say in in
shows and it's like people can't hear it
oh we want them to come and fix
everything for us
but
but they don't understand that the Draco
have an absolute monarchy
yeah
the jahami
the the human looking ones that created
created humans
in the first place that they have an
absolute monarchy
uh
the mantids out there have a hive mind
where the queen thinks for everybody
do you really want those guys coming in
fixing your planet
foreign
let's let's be real there are ideas of
what's good may not be what we think is
good we've been
over the last couple of centuries
humans on earth have been working
towards a more
equal footing
between classes between genders between
races
we've been gradually working towards a
more
equal standing
rather than one group automatically
being the boss of us
and I really think that that's a good
thing
and
I mean if you look at the last
Thousand Years
it's been oh this this
fighting and killing and over what
yeah I'm I'm sorry I'm getting you off
track you have a story to tell and we
have just under two hours for you to
tell it so
what do you remember about the Zetas
I well I have different kinds of
memories because on one part I have the
experiences in the hybrid programs but
on the other hand I am in the space
program and I had contact with them
experiences that are negative so
I mean generally speaking my memories
are not positive with the status
okay
mine with the Draco have been positive
for me
so that that has been one of the things
that the public has had a hard time
accepting is because they have such a
misunderstanding of who they are
yeah
and I agree
and there's a misunderstanding about the
Zetas too
and
it's it's been
watching from the perspective of being a
draco hybrid
looking at what the Zetas were trying to
do where
according to the website Zeta talked
they were promised that once the solar
flash happened that they would be in
charge of Earth
and I'm I'm thinking
who gave away our planet without asking
us
right
so uh
that's been a big
question mark in my head is who who gave
away our planet without asking us so
um the Draco
have not wanted to take over Earth
if they wanted to they would have
Millennia ago
so they've been just sort of setting
back and there will be Rogue Draco every
so often that show up and go hunting
here because they are a
carnivore species
you know they'll show up and go hunting
here but most of the time they just
leave us alone
uh there there was a particular Draco
who hung out here for a while
because he was farming us for a dream an
adrenochrome
but he was executed in
20
18 2019
for violation of the Prime
humanity is under protection in in the
galactic circles because we're
considered to be a developing race
so we're under protection
and
anyone from a more advanced race who
comes in and messes with us without
consent
it's a death penalty
and a lot of people are like oh yeah
welcome space Brothers they don't
realize they're giving anybody and
everybody permission to come in I agree
it it that whole
ce5 scene
it scares the hell out of me because I
know what's out there that they're
inviting in yes I agree too like people
are thirsty for contact and they are not
mature yet to know how to discern who is
um a good candidate to get invited
yeah
um
you said you do channeling
um
foreign
was subjected to the v2k
oh yeah
so I've had a hard time trusting
channelers because I could not tell the
difference between the v2k and in my
ears and
see voices
from other beings so I started wearing a
cap mine's kind of worn out so it's
really ugly looking right now I wear it
when I'm not on air
it's um
nickel embedded in nylon and I wear it
when I'm not on air and it blocks the
v2k
well that's nice because I also got like
the B2K and they will talk to me through
the implant and
like till telepathically yeah
yeah
um the v2k that I I've been hit with is
through the Wi-Fi carrier
oh interesting so if you physically
block the Wi-Fi it physically blocks The
Voice
and so then I don't have to worry about
it being the CIA
so uh
I do
hear
extraterrestrials I do hear
disincarnates I hear the people that
Shane the runner calls the parents
uh two of them in particular I'm still
hearing after he says they're they've
left but I still hear them
so um
there are a lot of things out there
how do you know
who you're hearing
oh because I'm not channeling
ETS I am channeling my higher mind and
it's not like the the kind of channeling
in which people going to a trance and
they speak you know words uh the
channeling that I do it's
um closed only focus only on spiritual
guides or higher mind
and I don't allow
um to them I don't allow them to speak
through me like automatically I filter
the information
okay
yeah when I was still Christian
there was a voice who would talk through
my mouth and
I would hear a man's voice but it would
come out my mouth as me
and this particular
whatever it was knew the Bible better
than I did
and it was it was intimidating but he
would just take over and
um at the time
he said he was Jesus but thought
I eventually proved to myself he wasn't
and at that point he became really nasty
so
um that voice has stopped with the
blocker cap so I'm pretty sure that it
was v2k
uh what was amazing was the agent who
activated my memories
had the same voice
which made me wonder had
had the computer voice that they use
been based on his
because I knew he wasn't sitting at a
computer typing and talking to people
you're supposed to be talking here
no it's fine we're having a conversation
okay
um
my audience has called me on this before
where I talk too much
so you're about how old
21 years old
and you're from what party
Madrid
um
Public Schools or private
um semi-private schools
okay
so you got a better education than
most
I notice you're wearing a the symbol for
um the foil
Society
how long have you known about them
since 2016 when I met a German Chandler
who was really into
um the Braille and you know the Space
Program because he will Channel about he
will channel draco's that we'll speak to
as a speech experiencers so
um
he he introduced me to the society but
instantly for me was really familiar and
then to when some years passed in 2000 I
mean approximately last year I was told
that by SSP
um by the Brio on the SSP members of The
Alliance and
and all these I mean I'm not sure if
they were part of the alliance but they
were like not the dark Fleet you know
they told me that I was a real
um a real medium in another incarnation
they told me that I had two incarnations
in that period of time of you know
second world and I mean we're around to
second world two and first World War
okay so one of them they were not that
far apart
what
the two world wars were not that far
apart they both were finished in 40
years so if you were alive for one you
were probably alive for both
right
yeah
um I had an Incarnation during that time
period I was a German Jewish man
who immigrated to America
and uh
let's see
in the common parlance he was a bit of a
dick
so
um I don't name him
because
yeah he was a bit of a dick oh
yeah but uh
that's part of why I get upset when
people just automatically assume
that knocked off and are Nazis because
they're not they are German they are
Teutonic
which
means there
military they act tribal they have an
aggressive
stance but they also educate their
people they teach them poetry and music
and literature and and they want their
people to be able to think they don't
want robots
interesting and so they're not
how most people are describing them but
my past life as a German Jew I'm sitting
here going
just because you were
you're you were raised in a German
culture it doesn't mean you're a part of
that party
you know and
that's one of the things I get pushed
back from all the time is because people
especially Americans
want the Germans in space to be Nazis
they want they want this to be a
continuation of World War II
and it isn't
um it had nothing to do with World War
II it had nothing to do with that
political party it was completely about
okay
I went to Shola on Mars
with the Germans and they taught me that
for the last
almost 3 000 years
that the German tribes were attacked by
everybody
that they had genocide after genocide
after genocide after genocide where
people were attacking them and trying to
kill them and that they had to be
military to survive
and that their that the country that
they were in they couldn't grow enough
food to feed all their kids
so they were literally selling their own
Sons into military service for other
countries to be able to feed the ones
still at home
wow
and this is their background they didn't
leave because of World War II they left
because they wanted to find a place
where they could feed everybody and live
in peace
and they got out into space and the
every square inch was already owned by
somebody else
or in your terms centimeters
so every Square centimeter belonged to
somebody else the only way they could
get a place to live was to make a deal
with whoever already owned it
so they had to make a deal with the
Draco
to be able to get off Earth
so it wasn't that they wanted to Ally
with the baddest out there
um it was that those were the only
people who would work with them
and the terms were really bad
really really bad and the Germans have
been trying ever since to change the
terms to something they could live with
and they eventually got it switched from
literally giving people to become dinner
to military service
instead they were used to military
service to survive so it was just a
continuation of what they were used to
but yeah they're frustrated every time
they turn around they're having to sell
their their kids into military service
to have a place to live and food to eat
and that's why they went into space and
that's why they have continued farther
into space they have colonies in other
galaxies simply to get away from
everybody here yes
and when I say that you know it sounds
rational to me
but I get this pushback
so
um it's like the Germans can't be
rational they're just
unthinking brute Beast well if you look
classical music
you know most of the classical music
played in in the United States is
written and performed by Germans
right
you know
you listen to epic poetry
going back
1500 years I mean
the the song The Poets that wrote about
the nibbling Kings
those were Germans
the epic poem about Hilda plant who was
in Italy
that was written by Germans
the reason that Spanish
is different from French
is because the Visigoths
came into Spain
they were a German tribe
their their version of German mixed with
the Latin that was there and the result
was Spanish
correct
so
you know it's
the German tribes came through
1600 years ago
so yeah
uh I have
one line of ancestry
through Spain
but they were in Barcelona not right now
not my thread and the family's surname
was Lopez
it's a really common surname here yes
yeah and uh
the King's Daughter married into the
Stewart family in Scotland and that's
why she is in my tree
so
they married Royals married daughters
off everywhere
so then they would forget about where
the girls were and wonder why so-and-so
says they're related
but yeah
um
regardless of what the Supreme Court
says these days
um women do matter
they matter in family trees they matter
in our lives
and
they even matter in the secret space
program because
I survived it
so what do you remember from being in
the SSP what did you do
I remember working as a physicist and
being talked in um in classes about
mathematics physics Etc and I also
remember being trained my psychic
abilities being trained to be a super
soldier and they will eventually use me
for whatever
um missions I have memories being in
Mars in the cybernetic labs and all of
that and I also have memories of
um
how they let's say put me into
um in kale Chan on our projects so
okay uh
what yeah have you had any missions that
you remember
yes I I did have a mission in which they
will adapt my my muscle body
and I will be put into
like a bat and I will go out of my body
or use remote viewing and I will start
channeling for them information about
the Russians specifically
and I will just
um give them information that I don't I
don't remember what kind of information
it was but that's the kind of missions
that I remember being part of and I also
remember
um War scenarios but I'm not sure if
it's the same lifetime like I was in my
body it was my super soldier abilities
being used but I don't know if if it's
correct or not because it's a Memory
that is really blurry but we were
basically fighting
reptilians that were against the the
ones that we were working for so there
was like there's several species out
there from different places
yes
um
yeah I'm constantly slapped up side of
the head with the idea that only Draco
are out there
that's that's over simplicified it's
over simplicity
um
there are at least a thousand species of
intelligent reptilians out there
and some of them
look very reptile and some of them look
Almost Human
and
some of them if you didn't know they
were reptilian you wouldn't know
and there's a lot a lot out there
um
if I had to pick a favorite it would
probably be the cassiopeians uh
their human on top and snake on the
bottom and they're very
classy looking
um the human part of them had
African type features
uh they're usually bald though but they
can be any skin color that you would
expect from a reptilian
and so they're human down to the hips
and snake from there down and it's it's
some of them are quite beautiful
so um
but yeah I've had several of those
make contact with me in the last decade
sure
that probably sounds strange to people
but they are they are from Cassiopeia
they're the star system there
um
and uh they they were
like Frontline shock troops whenever the
maitra
invaded
the The Matrix are from the Andromeda
Galaxy
and they are a type of Gray
um
they're similar to Zetas but taller
where most Zetas are
four foot uh
okay European measures they're about a
meter and a half
okay
it's better yeah Zetas are about a meter
and a half if they're under a meter then
they're Androids rather than rather than
biological beings where the Matrix are
almost two meters
they're tall for a gray
and they're carnivores which is very
unusual for Grace
most Grays will eat fish or chicken but
not really much
you know they're they're mostly
towards the vegetable stock vegetables
and fruit rather than Meats but they'll
eat fish or chicken
where
The Matrix are carnivores
and they will come in and they will
decimate a system and eat everything
and when they leave there's nothing left
their their
but they're from the Andromeda Galaxy
and
people on Earth should be grateful
because the Orion queen and the Draco
Queens
combined forces to stop them
so these beings were stopped by
reptilians
and I know that because not often
assisted in that
interesting
so
um
yeah they as far as biological threats
out there The Matrix are the worse
they they are Invaders from outside that
came in and they were stopped by these
two reptilian Empires uniting
to fight them otherwise the Earth would
have been eaten long ago
um
I lost struck when I was talking about
sorry
so you were part of
figuring out what the reptilians were
doing in Russia
no it was not there were Italians that
were in Russia it was
um
some
some military group that they wanted to
Aspire on and so I asked them why are
you like why are you spying on them like
what's the matter they didn't tell me
specifically but they said that the
Grays were aligned with the Communist
Russians or something
and that they were against that
um politics so it was it was a group
that I I mean it was a faction of the
SSP but not
a general
that that surprises me because the
Russians haven't been Communists since
1990.
yeah interesting
so um
in a lot of ways the Russia the Russian
Federation is more capitalist than than
the United States is
so so were you working with the
Americans or with the Spanish no they
they spoke Spanish but I'm not sure if
they are from another
um Nation because they can learn
um they can
they have Technologies to learn or
Implement in their
brain in their like mind another
language so I'm not sure
yeah um my alters speak other languages
so I have authors that speak
Spanish Portuguese french Sicilian
um
those are things that have popped out
when uh when I shifted because I shift
altars
so I I've had times whenever I would
suddenly start speaking in another
language and
Lou would look at me
okay
um
he's he speaks um
English a little bit of Spanish and
Vietnamese
so
he would he would go okay
and then whenever it would be me back
you would say when did you learn to
speak such and such
there you go well as far as I know I
don't
me Penny hurt Earth
I spoke Portuguese as a child
I speak English
I can read
in German
I can read it out loud
but when I try to speak it the words
don't come
uh I have studied French
I can
read and understand about half of it I
can read it out loud and other people
know what I said
so I'm seeing it right
but
again the words don't come
and my Spanish I know enough to get
myself into a lot of trouble and not
enough to get me out
interesting but I grew up in California
where
half the people speak Spanish
but it's Mexican Spanish not Spain
Spanish
so
I can go into the Barrio and and I think
that I'm being told and I know when it's
dangerous and I know when to get my butt
out of there
so but you know I treat people like they
like
I would like to be treated and I don't
usually have problems
so
back to what I was saying before about
we have been working towards
a more equal footing between people
and when you treat people well they
respond
I just wish I just wish everybody knew
that yes
we're working towards that so that's my
goal is for everybody to understand just
treat each other with respect
and
you don't have to agree on everything to
treat each other well
great
so
so gee okay
so you Channel your higher self
you have memories of
were you remote viewing or were you by
locating
I was remote viewing
okay
because I don't remote view very well I
buy locate
and I get to the stage where sometimes
they can see me
um there was an incident with
I shouldn't use his name
but everybody knows who OGG tell us is
and he was trapped in a
tank
and uh
I don't know
he was in the tank but he was also
on Twitter
complaining about being in the tank
so I don't know if it was physical or or
astral
and so
I went and pulled him out of the tank
and I could see him
and he knew someone had pulled him out
but I don't think he saw me
so that was a couple of years ago
but that that's what I mean by by
locating I'm not just sitting here and
seeing it in a distance I'm actually
going there
whatever part of me that goes
that's a
distinction a lot of people don't make
they think they're the same thing and
they're not
I used to get in trouble and outlinely
because I couldn't
by locate I because I couldn't remote
view I got into a lot of trouble for
that oh really yeah
they wanted us to do it by the book that
you
were given coordinates that you would
view the coordinates that you would draw
what you saw
and I couldn't do that
I just uh
I can't do that
um
I have to actually
take part of myself and go
and look you know I can look around give
you all the information tell you what I
hear
um
but I can't stay in my body
and look
it does I can't do that
you understand what I'm talking about
yes yeah because Mo all of the remote
viewing Protocols are you stay in your
body you you check out the coordinates
which are usually made up anyway
but you connect to what they were
looking at
only
you're not supposed to connect to the
picture they were looking at you were
supposed to connect to the place
and you know some people actually draw
the picture that they were looking at
when they made made up the coordinates
so that's another level of this
so what do you do
um to me the the protocol is that I
I look into the car the nights I connect
to the place and then I wait not for
like a full picture like in a specific
full picture to come into my mind but
rather start to be receptive to
um like characteristics about the place
like um if it's the the material of the
ground or the built-in or if there is a
water or you know like those Sensations
and then slowly I I note all the
all the words and the ideas and then I
um I try to draw like to see what comes
out of it
okay have you done a lot of it
I mean here not really but in the secret
space from my answers have done a lot of
that and have been trained more
seriously
okay
um
will you speak Spanish in English what
other languages do you speak
a little bit of Russian and a little bit
of German
do you have any memories of being
with
any particular group in the SSP because
I've done counseling with people and
based on their memories we've identified
six different groups out there and we
know there are more
foreign
yes I I have memories with many
different groups but as I have memories
with um
beings that have been
um in the disclosure you know movement
like you like um
Johann Fritz you know like I have seen
them in my memories
so I guess that in some of my missions I
was in the American space program but
the faction that I'm part of is the
Spanish one
so I I guess it wouldn't be the same
okay
uh most of my memories are not with the
Americans most of mine are with the
Germans out there
well yeah I've been with the Germans too
uh
I keep being told
that people remember me from solar
Warden
oh interesting but I
have I
don't remember it
uh
in fact there's
a group of folks that remember being on
a ship with me and they said that one
day I got pissed at everybody and shaved
my head and and refused to interact with
anybody
I do get into a mode where I cut my hair
off
I don't shave it
I keep it about
this long
American terms I get it cut three inches
long all over that I don't know what
that is in centimeters but uh
my hair is really curly when it's short
and it's really easy to take care of
then
um
right now it's where I sit on it
and it it Tangles and it's really hard
to keep up with
but
when it's this long my telepathy
skyrockets
that's one of the things that the
floralia ladies
talked about was that your Harris
antenna
and that
it the longer your hair is the better
your psychic abilities
right I agree and when my hair is
at my waist or longer my telepathy is
strong enough that I have to work at
staying out of people's heads
you know normals assume that they have
privacy in their own lives
so I try to honor that
that way they don't see me as as much of
a threat
um
to be honest most of what they think
about is
okay
what do I hear from the neighbors I hear
I need to go to the bathroom
I'm hungry what's in the fridge
what am I going to make
I'm horny when's my partner coming home
uh
and I don't hear it in words I hear I
get it as a combination of
angry frustrated body feelings
and depending on how intensely they're
feeling it how intensely I feel it and
it's like
intrusive
it it's
distracting
it's
especially if it's the same person that
just keeps sending the same stuff out
all the time it's like I don't even want
to be around that person
so uh yeah I keep it shut off as much as
possible
unless I'm
Okay add a conference
where I'm surrounded by people
I will keep it as at a low level on just
so I get the warning if someone wants to
be nasty
because you never know what you're going
to get when you're dealing with the
public I mean
you've experienced that already
I mean you're public now
how long have you been public
uh one year approximately
one year approximately and and you've
probably already been
contacted by lots of people
who want to dump all of their stories on
you
and they get really angry if you don't
have the time to spend eight hours a day
or longer listening to them
yeah
and then when they get a chance to see
you in person
it's like all that stuff
true
yeah it's like all that stuff they have
it in this psychic package and they just
dump it on you
and if you don't have your Shields up
guess what you've been slimed
and they don't even think of it in those
terms they think of it in terms of their
sharing their information with you
true
well I haven't had much experience yet
with people
um I mean
um so far the interviewers were really
nice to me but it's true that some
people not interviewers some people have
been like that to me
okay
I've gotten to where I don't accept
friend requests as a general rule
because that happens to me
so much
and
for some reason the last year and a half
to two years
most of the people who sent me friend
requests
want to go public
but they don't have any memories
and they want me to tell them what they
remembered
and I don't do readings anymore
you know you know we can read people you
know you get into their head you know
everything about them if you want to
but the last time that I really
connected with someone
it was a mission from
the NSA
and I was supposed to bring in someone
who was supposed to be killing NSA
agents
and
I I told them I wasn't going to kill
this person
and they said well we want you to talk
to talk her down so she stops killing
people like oh all right
they said act like a counselor
so I made the connection and found out
she was a cyborg
and
she had been assigned to kill me
it wasn't that she was a rogue agent at
all it was that she was an assassin
I see
and they had decided that I needed to be
killed
and so at that point
I managed to get free of her
and I have not
made a reading level connection with
anybody since
because I don't want to be in that
position again
where it's me or her
out in space I have killed way too many
people
I don't want to do that anymore
I have enough blood on my hands I don't
want any more
so when you're doing what you do
I don't want you afraid
but I want you careful
know that this can happen
that's my mama talk for the day
I share my stories not to scare people
but I want the kidnapping of small
children stopped
and I want the young people who are
still active
to be careful
yeah
I I don't want to scare people but be
careful
so
okay we're about halfway through now
um
is there anything you want to talk about
as we mentioned before about talking
about the rail or the real gel
people think that they are negative or
parasites and that's not true
oh
expand because I got hit up by a woman
earlier today before we came on she
asked who I was interviewing and I said
you and she complained about your
pendant
so
yeah
um
the
Lil gazelle shafted
were aristocracy
and my understanding is that the men in
these families were antola
and the women were in Phil
what
they were not as separate as folks think
an example
the flow ladies were
channeling
the
blueprints to create a hanaboo
and
Maria orsidge
who I believe was Croatian
half-creation half house Austrian
okay
she gave her dad the blueprints for an
engine
that he took to the Tula meeting
and gave to Victor shellburger
these two groups were
meeting over the dinner table
because they were in the same families
they may not have all had money but they
were all aristocracy bloodlines
and
one of the things that I found was that
the aristocracy is all descended from
the scythians
yes
and
the scythians
are the basis
for
they are the ruling class
from Iceland to North Korea
for
almost 3 000 years
every
ethnic group their ruling class
recipients
going back almost to Summer
and these people were horseback like the
Mongolians
and
their ruling class had red hair at super
white skin and green eyes and their
peasant class were blonde and blue eyed
these are the people who went
everywhere
and they ended up
everywhere they went they took over
and then they intermarried with the
people they were ruling so they
eventually came to look like the people
they were ruling
but if you look through their family
tree every one of them
started off scythian
I agree
and this is this is the big secret of
History
and all of these tribes that everybody
wants to think of as separate
ethnicities
what they were was if you're a horseback
group
and your population gets too big you
have to split so the horses have enough
food
and so each each time they split they
gave this the group a different name and
pretended they were another group but
the same
basic
rules applied and this is the big secret
of History
is that our entire ruling class through
Eurasia
recipients
that's the big secret that everybody
wants to pretend it didn't happen
but the deeper you dig into it the more
alike these people become
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um you dig too far into that and all of
the social media who are censoring
everything will shut you down so be
careful how much of that you share
no I am not
a racist or supremacist I'm not I'm not
saying these people were better I'm
saying that they ended up in charge
that
don't put words in my mouth audience
foreign
okay
so it was
we still have about 45 minutes to go
so
shall I hear it
what
oh that's a children's game in the
United States
oh it it it means it's your turn to talk
oh sure
I just didn't know where to
shift
um the conversation so okay
um
how long have you been aware
that you were used in programs
since 2000
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16.
2013 was when my memories were activated
and I used that
precisely I spent time with an NSA agent
and he kept using my remember code over
and over so I was deliberately activated
um how did you get yours
um it was really intense because
um when I was remember remembering
things from downloads you know from you
know DNA activations and everything
I have really positive experiences and
everything but suddenly I got images
like intense memory recall of images of
me being a child and being tortured on
Laboratories and being experimented on
and the things that I saw at that moment
were so terrific that I spent five years
of my life dealing with ptse
and not until 2020 I found out that
those memories were from Satanic ritual
views and more preact
I don't want you to go through anything
that's going to
trigger you
but if you could explain some of it to
the audience so they would have an idea
of what you're talking about and keep in
mind my audience is used to me so
you know their
a little more advanced than average
great
so you know the memories were those I
was in a laboratory and they were human
doctors who were experimenting on me and
they were using like uh sharp
instruments to getting in into my
genitals and they were humiliating me
they were making me sick they were
making me cry and and yell and they will
just treat me like
um they will just be torture me and and
after I was screaming so
um high that is when I
like some people came into the room and
they started to
um I don't know what they were doing but
they were making me sitting psychically
like things that are
like disturbing about my life like for
example they put my family in my head
and my family was torturing me and they
were attacking me and they were part of
this like
sex song torture and it was really
disturbing to me as a child and there
was a reptilian who was not positive and
he was putting me into a
um how you call this a coffin and I was
there in a coffin and I was you know
awake but I was not able to get out of
the coffin for a long time
and then the the rest of the memories
that I remember is how I was in front of
a monitor and there were images that
were not specific
but there were images and I started to
get programmed because I felt that the
images were neutral but my Sexual Energy
was
um going up my spine and then a military
person came and said this is responding
to the problem and when I looked back
there was a man who were wearing leather
a leather coat and he came to me and
observed me and then parting from that
he started to talk to me and have
conversations and this they started
programming me like creating alters and
and that
one of my elders is in the psychopathic
Psychopathic Spectrum by the way
I think all of us who have been through
these
have altars who are psychopaths
yes that is the intention
um
I
my higher self has warned me that in the
process of my reintegration that my
Earth
cover alter has to stay dominant
she said that
it's the only altar I have that has an
ethical compass
so it's the only one that knows right
from wrong
so it has to stay dominant
so that my abilities are not used for
bad
so um
makes sense that that's scary though
because some of these altars that I've
reintegrated are very strong persons
the first one that came up
when we were in the reintegration
process
she would toy with people
um
pick at them to get a response
and she dearly loved
making people angry making them
embarrass themselves
making fools of people and
I
that was one of the things that I had to
teach her not to do
and it was hard for her because she had
been
in this Teutonic military
Society where that had been encouraged
and
suddenly she was in
21st century America where
at least in my age group women are still
second-class citizens
and submission is
generally expected and she didn't know
how to behave
and she kept getting me in trouble
with everybody
it was like every time I turned around
she had gotten me in some sort of
trouble
and uh
now that we have been reintegrated
it's about five years now
she understands
why she had to change
and
she has finally accepted
the S the ethical compass
but it took this whole time to do it
you know it's like you have an adult who
thinks they know everything and has been
quite successful at it and they suddenly
have to change
and they don't see the reason to and
then after a while they finally get it
and uh
I think I think the term that describes
it best is culture shock
because
21st century California is not
fluffing
you know it just isn't and
so in
my memories it's like
literally being and a different time and
place and culture and
stepping out of that and into this and
back and forth and
I think the hardest part for me
for Penny is that when I'm in space
they keep me at age 25.
and I will be in in
I will be gone
60 years
and I've been age 25 the whole time I'm
gone
and they bring me back to just after
they took me and then the next morning I
look in the mirror and I'm in my 60s
you know
on Earth you gradually get used to how
you change over time
the change is gradual you adapt to it
you adjust to it
but when you're 25 all night and then
you're in your 60s
it's like immediate and that that's a
bit of a shock to me every time
and it's to the point that my partner
just says don't look in the mirror
but you have to to put on lipstick
yeah
yeah uh most of the time lipstick's the
only makeup I wear
so
the rest of it makes me itch
and if you're itching and you scratch it
and you smear it it looks worse than no
makeup at all
so
that's part of why I wear the glasses on
screen
and so you can't tell
um
also so I can see the person I'm talking
to clearly otherwise you're out of focus
so
yeah in my case people find that I wear
contact color lenses color contact
lenses and they said you have black eyes
I don't have black eyes they're brown
but because of the contrast of the
camera because it's back quality people
think they're black and that I put them
on purpose to look E.T and that's not
true
um
guys I have blue green eyes they're not
black
I do have dark circles under my eyes
that's allergies
also I have my days and nights backwards
so
but I have since I was a baby
so it is what it is some of us are just
not the same as others and it's okay
if we all had to be the same it would be
awfully boring wouldn't it
I agree
so
um
I'm going to ask about your personal
life because I'm running out of stuff to
talk about
um
what's your personal faith
my personal what faith
do you belong to a religion
oh fine Faith yeah I I pronounce it
differently
um faith in English
um uh
uh yes I know I know what it is f e in
Spanish yes
um I don't I'm I'm Pagan I don't belong
to any religion at the moment
okay
for those who who wonder about me
I'm an alchemist
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when my memories were activated
I had been Christian up to that point
and it was like a switch flipped off
by just no longer believed it
Alchemy is not really a religion it's
more of a practice
and it has to do with
the marriage of the masculine and
feminine in your own self it's
you know how you
you have times you want to be passive in
times you want to be aggressive and and
they fight with each other
it's about marrying the two into someone
who is healthy
instead of someone that's constantly
fighting
and it seemed appropriate since I had
altars
and that's the technique I've been using
to deal with my altars
um
I've been using the PSI abilities
to go into trance
pull in a couple of Alters at a time
and
you're dealing with separate people
right
they're separate people in your own head
but up till that point you're not really
talking to each other because you don't
share memory
and so you pull them out of of whatever
you want to call out there
and
you're like sitting on a bench next to
each other
and you slowly merge into one
now it's not always a good glue job
so sometimes that identity is still
there
and and so it's more like
have you done jigsaw puzzles
the cardboard
puzzles were that there are cut and
pieces and you you put them together ah
yes it's more like that where that the
pieces can still come apart
but
you can put them together next to each
other and then they sort of sort of
blend together that's what my
integration is like is we are sharing
memories
and
when one of us is active we all share
the memory so there's less missing time
I'm more
aware of what I'm doing
rather than okay this piece is in charge
so there's no memory for the rest
you know I I was having half my day was
missing time
and now it's more like an hour or two
so
I've reintegrated 32
Alters so I have a chunk of 32 jigsaw
puzzle pieces stuck together
and yeah there's a few goals because
there are
ones that should have been in there that
aren't yet
but as I find them they will be shoved
in
and uh
once they break you
into mind fragments
you're never going to be whole again
yeah
not in this Incarnation you can't be
there's no way to fix it
and they did it to you on purpose
so um
it's one of those things you you have to
just okay the mirror's been broken you
have to glue the pieces back together
as best you can and know that it's never
going to be perfect again
great
but
you don't have to tolerate the missing
time
so
my thing was I wanted to know what I was
doing
I didn't want the missing time
I wanted to know who I was what I was
doing what I was used for
and I'm doing the work to do it
and
when they activated me and and my faith
was was shut off
I don't worship anything
I acknowledge that there is a creator of
all that is
so I'm not a an atheist I do believe
something created us all
yeah me too
but I'm not
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I'm not sitting in a church praying
um
I'm not
part of me misses having faith
it would be nice to be able to just
sit in church with my family and feel
like I belong
foreign
but that part's gone
yeah I'm getting sappy on you now
um
you weren't brought up in it in the
Catholic church then
yes in Spain it's really common that um
you raise your child let's say Catholic
so
or a Christian
so I did the it's called communion or
communion communion and you get a you
get dressed in a white dress when you're
10 years old and there's a celebration
and
you supposed to become
you know
that so so I I when I was about 12 or
you know around that age I it's when I
became a pig and I stopping Christian
okay okay
yeah I raised my kids Episcopalian which
is
Anglican Church of England
and they went through
well they had to be baptized when we
converted and
they went through confirmation and then
First Communion
and uh
they were supposed to wear white for
confirmation
so uh
yeah they made me go through the
confirmation
uh it was it was really different but uh
yeah after that they put me through 104
exorcisms
because I had altars they thought they
were demons
that's a very
common
misunderstanding in Christianity
anything they can't explain as a demon
and uh
one or two exorcisms I can see
but past that it's spiritual abuse just
like Satanic ritual abuses
and so I come to these groups and my
abuse was at the hands of Christians
and so it's like
I can't talk to them
they think of the devil
so
um I hope you are never subjected to
that
no fortunately
one or the other is bad enough to but to
be subjected to both is outrageous
yes
so
do you have a website
yes it's marinastaran.com
okay what can people expect on there
a blah about my experiences some of my
information I have a little bit of my
story a gallery of pictures of abduction
marks um youthful sightings and also
some drawings that I did about 18
Contours
and um also a place where they can see
what kind of services I offer
what kind of services do you offer
energetic readings a spiritual coaching
and
um
um like one-to-one conversations
okay
yeah I didn't know that you offered any
uh
so
I know that you're
you're you've done a couple of episodes
on
my network with Daryl Neely
um he's trying to bring you on as a full
host
that's for the audience that's Global
Enlightenment Radio Network
and we're still available on lots of
different mirror sites even though our
main website is down
um that's where this show will be seen
in about a week
uh I've been
I've switched to pre-recording because
my
voice was affected by my surgery in
December
and and I can't
talk
for longer than a couple of hours a day
and it's
I can't get enough power behind it
to overcome
other people
so it's now just me and my guest because
I just
can't
so
I'm adapting to
decrease stabilities
which is as normal for my age
it's not like I'm
attacked or weird or anything like that
and it's not
people tend to slow down as they
approach 70 and I'm getting there
so uh
yeah a lot of young people are like oh
well you know if you did this and this
and this and this and this you you
wouldn't have that problem well you know
not everyone gets to be my age
so I'm grateful I'm here and that I make
sense when I talk
and that people want to listen to me
so
um
I used to be
young and healthy
I've lived my life several times over
here and out there so you know
okay
okay what
what do you want to talk about for the
last 20 minutes
what do you want people to think about
after this
um
well I have many topics of conversation
but I I really can choose specifically
one to talk about because it also
depends on you what you want to discuss
with me so
okay
um
so
um
thank you
so um overview
you're a Zeta hybrid
well I'm not a set of hybrid but um in
the SSP one of my bodies were was
hybridized with um set and dni
okay
so
this this body here is Anunnaki hybrid
that's what you look like is Anunnaki
hybrid yeah well
jahami
Anunnaki is more or less
E.T
um
I would have been
Anunnaki hybrid if they had left me
alone
but they added Draco to that
because they wanted more solubility
um
so you have the remote viewing you have
the telepathy
you can Channel what do you have other
abilities
yes I can use my hands to heal I mean
not exactly
um healing us to like disease but pain
for instances
you know energetic blockages
um and also I am a psychic medium so I
hear information like telepathically is
different from telepathy dog because
it's more like
intuition like reading The Energy of
people like their aura
and then I've also have really
interested in
um experiences with
synchronicity like I communicate
sometimes with my higher mind with
synchronicity
and also influence the weather I can do
it
what have you done with the weather
cause
um electric storms and snowstorms
with the help of other beings of course
because that's a lot of energy
okay
do your moods affect the weather
my moves move oh my mood okay m-o-o-d
um my mood yeah sometimes it affects the
weather especially when there's a lot of
emotional charge
okay oh
do other people feel you
yes
I know I can
sometimes when I wake up my partner will
feel it even though he's downstairs
but we've been together for 21 years
oh
so yeah
what do you like to do when you're not
on
one of these programs
I like to read I like to
sing
to Greatness or songs I like also
um acting but it's more of a hobby
and I love I love science like physics
which part of physics do you like
quantum physics
electromagnetism the most
that's what I was taught
and yeah in Shula was
the electric universe and quantum
mechanics
they said that relativity was wrong yeah
that's true
and several of the points that they made
I've talked about in Prior interviews
that he should have kept the
eth ether constant and that
the speed of light is not a constant
especially at
higher velocities
and that um
foreign
Ty is a function of magnetism not Mass
yes I agree is the curator of
electromagnetic fields
yeah it's you know it's a function of
magnetism electromagnetic
the magnetism half of electromagnetics
rather than Mass so much and that's why
it's really mass is empty you know it's
all about electromagnetic field of the
atom at home yeah
yeah that
um
uh people who haven't looked into
quantum mechanics
should because it
gives you a completely different view of
reality than
what you get from
Newtonian physics
oh great
and
I took physics engineering physics
on Earth in the 1980s
whenever we finished up the last
semester of it the professor was trying
to interest us into physics as a major
and so he spent a
class session the last week talking
about
the progress that was being made then
and This is 40 years ago
so
I'm sure they've made much more progress
since then but he knew at the time that
I was religious and he he was staring
right at me and he says you know physics
has crawled its way up the face of the
mountain only to find that when they got
there the mystics had already beaten
them to it
and uh
I was a microbiology chemistry major
so uh
uh yeah I was
pre-med
I wanted to be a pediatrician for
children with endocrine diseases
and I came down with lupus
and at that time Lucas was considered a
fatal disease
and they kicked me out
they said that
they were not going to waste a pre-med
slot on someone who was going to die
right after graduation
uh
all these years later I'm still here
wow so but yeah I had I had calculus and
chemistry and Engineering physics and
you know so I get frustrated when I
start talking about physics and people
throw religion at me I get frustrated
when I'm talking about 3D physical
extraterrestrials who are
basically people
and I get told that there are demons
in my
comments from the public on my YouTube
Demon is the most common word
and I have used that to filter
if they use the word demon
it gets filtered out it doesn't even get
get accepted
because I am so tired of it
when you're when you're in space
if it's in a physical body and it talks
whether it talks with its mouth or it
talks telepathically if it talks and
it's in a physical body it's a person
oops
it's not a spirit
I mean they're just as real as we are
and they are
just as physical as lions tigers and
bears and just like lions tigers and
bears some of them are carnivores
you know some of them do eat us
but does that necessarily mean they're
evil
objectively
sure I don't want to be eaten
I don't want to be somebody's dinner
but at the same time
I eat chicken I eat fish
I eat pork
I don't usually eat beef I'm allergic to
it
but you know I'm an omnivore that's what
I eat to keep my body healthy that's
what they eat to keep their body healthy
does that mean they're evil because they
do
or does it just mean they're dangerous
dangerous does not mean evil
you know you can't be a really peaceful
person
unless you have the potential to be
dangerous
it's the controlling of that potential
to be dangerous that makes you
peaceful otherwise you're just harmless
which is a whole nother ball of Wax
harmless harmless people get taken
advantage of
harmless people get used harmless people
get killed
that's the truth of the matter
that's true so you want to be someone
who can take care of yourself
but you also want to be
able to live among others
so that's peaceful
but not harmless
and the
people out in space
the
extraterrestrials who may or may not
look like us
you know the shahari looked like us
sorta
some of the other species out there look
like us some of them really look like us
but others don't
others don't look like us at all and you
would look at them and think that's a
rock
but it talks
you know that that's that's a
blob of gas
but it talks
so it's a person
you have to open your mind to the
possibility that
there is more
and just because it's different doesn't
mean it's bad
right
and
that's
the last conference I went to the main
speaker called me a demon because I said
that extraterrestrials were just like
lions tigers and bears that they were
physical beings that talk
that we have to at some point understand
that not everything's gonna look like us
yes I agree and and he decided I was a
demon because I said that
this is this is the crap that is out
there
so
um
do you have we've got five minutes left
do you have a regular time for your show
with Daryl
no not death because
um I didn't know even what timing
um what um
what is going to be the time for my
classes the classes are not of the
course so I haven't checked it out yet
okay
so um you're still going to college
or it's University
it's similar to a university but it's a
higher grade
okay
well
do you have any closing words
um yeah sure
um
well I hope that my little bit I hope
that in the future I get more memories
about my SSP experiences of course as
you can expect I am 21 years old so I
still don't have all of the pieces of
the puzzle my personal experience
but um there will come more of them will
come
um I have a general idea of what are the
things that I've been into
but of course that I know that more
information will come as I move forward
in my life so I hope that at least this
contribution of my information helps in
this structure
and of course I'm really grateful that
you helped me here as your guest today
penny well thank you for coming
and thank you everyone for listening
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