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today is a very special day because
after a short four-year
break uh we are talking to Penny again
welcome Penny thank you back to the
Russians speaking
realm and today we're going to be
talking about some strange things as I
have recently found out that not only
the TV show stranger things is based on
the real secret projects like the MK
Ultra and the monok projects which is
public knowledge by now but also that
some of the supposedly fictionary
elements of the
show may have been true and I
accidentally found that out when
watching one of Penny's older interviews
so I went on and checked and The Duffer
Brothers the creators of the show
actually mentioned that they wanted to
call the show Mont and they wanted to
base it on the whole Mont talk story and
wanted to set it as monok but then at
the last minute
somehow they actually changed their mind
and they said it in a fictionary town in
Indiana called hackets but the year that
it was set on is 1983 which is the key
year for project Monto I think it was
the the the year was shut down or
something uh 1983 is about the time that
Junior was created exactly yes the the
Air Force was booted out of Camp hero
and uh they actually did move project
Phoenix to Indiana Oh okay
so that is very real it's also not
officially Air Force it's officially
Department of energy right which was
featured in the show yes so that was
accurate as well so do you think there
is the first question is do you think
there is any chance that they could have
made it up on their
own the deer brothers yeah no not chance
not a chance they had access to
something or someone who had been part
of it yeah so they talked to at least a
participant maybe an Insider yes they
probably talked to someone who was part
of running
it not in a Hands-On position don't one
of be supervisory people okay there were
supervisory people some of whom have had
mind wipes since mhm so not all the
people involved actually remember
it okay so one of the key elements of
the show that got my attention is this
so-called realm called the upside down
that they feature and they mention and
it's supposed to be some fictionary I
don't know if it's astral or physical uh
plane that is parallel to ours what do
you
think reality is made up
of layers of
frequencies
um help you guys still have radio there
don't you we do here oh yeah we do okay
radio that comes out over the air so
when you're right on the
frequency the sound comes through clear
and perfect and you think it's the only
thing that's out there
yep you change the dial just just a
little bit and it's
fuzzy you change the dial just a little
bit more and you might get an
echo okay what they're calling the
upside down is an echo of our 3D reality
now all of these
are okay A lot of people are going to
argue with
me but I've navigated it when you are on
frequency it's as 3D physical as we are
now
okay so you're physical there and it's
physical to you yes okay so it's an echo
of this
reality but it doesn't have the same
ecology
okay uh the one that they are calling
the upside down we called it the down
below
almost the same almost the same and it
was we considered it a mirror
universe but not everything made it back
and forth between they had a lot of
insects a lot of spiders they had a lot
of
reptiles
um those flower headed monsters y those
actually exist okay so that's another
bit that confirms the The Insider
knowledge of the creators of the show
right yes
there I don't know how far you've seen
into the story I've watched all of
watched yeah yeah okay so for your
audience who hasn't we're going to give
some spoilers
okay
um the young man that
11 into the down below the upside down
mhm there's not that there okay the the
vcna guy the vcna guy is not
there so that was fictional okay that
was part of their
plot there the giant
spider that oversaw everything yep
that's
real they call it the Mind flare so yeah
he was there he was the only one there
or they were like creatures that had you
know that's part of their ecology okay
so what you would to call Top apex
predator I see okay
um it is dark there most of the
time
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um things have a
very
degraded I think that's the right word
degraded it's but then there's nobody
there caring for
anything okay so it's
it's
like you know like you go into an
abandoned town and there are no people
caring for things there's no one undoing
the entropy so there's dust there's dirt
there's spiderwebs there's insects
crawling everywhere there are plants
taking over um and these are not healthy
plants because there's not enough light
for healthy plants these are the mosses
and things that grow in the near
dark
um so it has this this General Air of
everything's falling apart okay it's
like an entropy kind of reality it's an
entropy reality and when you first go
into it you
at the beginning of the show when she
was like she was stepping in water while
she was there yeah yeah that's very
real that's your first sensation when
you
go and
um they wanted us to explore it this was
both a testing of our of our s
abilities and an explor exploration of
another realm
and for
us it was an escape from The NeverEnding
abuse at
montar and at
langly so that was I'm sorry so that was
in Monto that you did this it was at
Monto that I first did
it but when I got back to Langley they
had the reports and they wanted me to go
back once you have been
somewhere your psyche knows how to go
back yeah creates a reference okay it it
creates like a landmark uhu computer
terms like a bookmark for you for your
browser it will mark it and you can go
back you just have to recreate the um
mindset
now
um it was an escape for
me and because my life at both Monto and
Langley was extremely
abusive there was not a day that went by
that I wasn't raped by
somebody and I was four when I got to
langon and so this Escape into this
other Realm even though it was dangerous
and I was there without weapons it was
safer than where I
lived so you would physically go there
from The Monto chair with the chair I
would physically go there I'm not sure I
was actually physically there whenever I
was at langlay I think it was more
astral projection I had the ability to
bilocate where I'm almost physical I can
interact
gently
um I guess I can talk about this
um couple of three years
ago OG Tellis was on Twitter and he was
talking
about his Consciousness being trapped in
a
tank
and
I've always
had I've always had a fondness
frog I don't remember ever working with
him you know in any of these programs
but I've always had a fondness for the
man and so when he said he was trapped I
I thought I was remote viewing until I
found myself there on top of the tank
and I opened the
lid and I pulled him out
and then I couldn't maintain it any
longer and I wasn't sure if he
actually know it was me or thought it
was you know a ghost or
something but uh I've recently had
contact with him and yes he did know it
was me yes he had seen my face he knew
it was me he was there in he was there
in real time I don't
know okay they make clones of and they
put our altars into these clones so we
are sometimes living parallel lives with
altars okay and that's what I think it
was was one of his altars was in a clone
and trapped in a tank okay
and I by located and got him
out so um this is something that I've
actually pulled off in real life me
Penny not
someone out in space so this is an
ability that I managed to salvage from
the mess they've made in my
life
um before we started recording you
talked about
um the the experience that I'd had at
monok when I tried to run away and I
would end up I was in the chair I was so
little at the time they had to put me on
a peach box for my shoulders to touch
the electrodes in the
chair and they had me strapped
in and they would tell us focus on the
image at the end of the
tunnel because you would get lost but I
knew where there was
a it looked like a
manhole okay in ceiling right and I
would go through the manhole chair and
all
oh and I would I would end up in another
frequency and there it they
had I would end up on this dirt
road and I would squir them out of the
chair and you know Kick the Box out of
the way Square them out of the
chair and I would be almost naked
because they wanted the electrodes to
touch my skin and
these
creatures
people I guess people for lack of a
better term they were intelligent they
were
kind um they were Orcs but instead of
how we draw Orcs with green skin they
had brown
skin and they they wore clothes very
much like
um
the late
1800s um those those waste coats with
the Tails and and they didn't have
knickers they had long pants the women
had um full skirts but the bust part was
was snug know like people dressed in the
1800s yeah and some of them wore hats
like that time period they weren't the
real fancy tall rats but they were that
sort of
style and all of the clothing was brown
and the house they had these houses that
were peasant cottages and they were
painted white and they had um B
TRS
and fences around their around their
Garden area and there would be flowers
flowers and fruit and vegetables growing
in the
garden and I was about 6 years
old and they would usually come out with
some sort of a
blanket and a bowl of
soup they didn't take me into their
house because they knew the Draco was
coming after
me and
uh the Draco was just doing his job he
was was one of the turtle
people their um military
cast he wasn't an alpha and
uh his job was to drag me drag me in the
chair
back and
uh he was quite quite efficient at it uh
he never hurt me he just came and got me
and dragged me back and
uh the last time he he came and got me
the uh the man who was
running the program then got really mad
and was just going to dump me into the
incinerator and this Draco stopped him
told him that because I was capable of
going into another dimension or
frequency and taking the chair with
me that that was a very rare quality
even among his people
and he wasn't going to let him kill
me so I have a different point of view
about these drao than a lot of people
do because he saved my life okay so the
Orcs they knew about the Earth realm I
guess right they knew who you were when
you appeared there I don't know they
never really talked to me I could see
them hear them talking amongst
themselves okay so but they weren't like
really really shocked to see they
weren't afraid of me no okay yeah they
weren't afraid of you okay they weren't
afraid of me they weren't afraid of the
Draco they just they didn't know he was
coming oh they knew okay yeah they knew
he was coming so you weren't supposed to
end up in that realm at all right no you
were on an assignment somewhere else I
was on an assignment that was time
travel okay and where were you supposed
to go usually it was a general store in
the 1880s somewhere in the Western
United States mhm and I was supposed to
steal an apple from a bush basket on
the front display and what was the
purpose of this exercise they were
testing the butterfly effect okay uh the
butterfly effect is
that if you step on a butterfly in the
past you can change all of history
um the I do know the results of that
exercise I was told about it on Mars um
the results are that there are key
individuals throughout
history that matter yep and the rest of
us are basically space fillers but so
that Apple didn't really make a
difference no the Apple didn't change
anything but I wasn't supposed to eat it
I was supposed to bring it bring it to
them and they sent someone else to take
it back oh okay I eventually did do the
exercise after they chipped me okay so
back to the upside down what was the
purpose how do they even arrange this to
how do they tell you to actually focus
on something do they create the portal
first and you have to focus on the
portal or they create the portal first
and you focus on the portal and the
coordinates are there so they they they
enter the coordinates they know they
enter the coord
they know where those are okay it's only
if you go through
manholes right that that they story
right right right so what was the
purpose of the mission to the upside
down was did they instruct you to do
anything specific or they wanted me to
try to make contact with whom any
intelligent life form that was there and
was the demogorgan one of them there is
nothing native there that's that's
particularly intelligent except for the
giant spiders and they are telepathic
wow the Mind flare they call them in the
show those are
telepathic so did you I made contact
several times um I soon learned not to
but I was sent to do a job and and I
knew I wasn't going to be left alone
until I did it their way but em Gorgon
is is a
Mindless Predator
uhuh he has no conscious awareness he
simply
eats he eats anything that moves okay um
basically like you would get from an
amoeba or or a um Coral mhm the Mind
flare those spiders those
were apex predators and they were on the
mental level of
eagles okay they're not thinking like we
are but they're not stupid either any
results from those missions to the
upside
down they were just
exploratory um I'm sure that
every asset that survived mine fracture
and survived Monto ended up going there
so that there would be a lot of us that
have been there wow when I arrived at
Langley there were a thousand of
us when I went to Mars in
1964 with the the survivors there were
only 20 of
us we had a really high death
rate and my group at
montar in
1961-62
uh I was the only Survivor there were
five of us that
went so we had really high casualty
rates and they didn't care they just
they didn't care they had a regen tank
at
Langley and they would just regenerate
you bring you back from the dead until
you became catatonic and when you became
catatonic the regen couldn't f FES that
or at least not with the with the tech
that they had so um once you went
catatonic you went into the incinerator
and you ended up being what we call a
milk carton
baby so yesterday I watched this uh
two-hour tour of Preston Nichols to the
mon talk base they entered with a
Japanese crew through the back door of
this uh facility that was within the
Monto park now or Camp hero park I think
Camp hero Park and yeah and they went
through with the camera for two hours uh
they had this walk through and most of
the base it's actually a very it's like
a small town on the on the on the upper
level I didn't expect it to be soell you
know they had everything there like
didn't expect it to be so normal it was
so normal they had a they had a bowling
alley there they had a bar there they
had uh a fire station they had a post
office uh and stuff like that so yeah
and so he uh showed this base and I was
like okay you know 30 minutes in it's
boring nothing happening you know he's
just describing things and and yeah they
went to this what they call the boys
bunker and he described you know these
they were like T they they called them
tables but they were like uh shelves
almost like higher shelves where he said
the boys were kept and I didn't
understand quite how they were kept
there he said they were just kept on
these tables and they were supposed they
he said they were not conscious they
were in
Trend um the bunker is supposed to be
not very far from the surface level or
maybe even on the surface level somehow
do you remember we've been yeah we've
been getting recovered memories of more
like eight levels down 8 to 20 levels
down uhhuh and um some of the levels
were basically just bodies tossed in the
death rates at Monto were outrageously
High um if you got there and you didn't
have any psychic abilities at all you
were immediately killed so why would
they take you they would just pick up
someone randomly or they were picking it
they were paying gangs to go through New
York City and randomly kidnap children
wow and they would pay them for this and
on top of that they also had people who
were targeted because of their their
genetics right okay I'm going to explain
something the folks who talk about
genetics never tell you that what these
folks are looking for for our ET
genetics hidden in the the population so
do you remember where you stayed at
Monto was it below
ground yeah it was below ground and I
was kept in
a I wasn't kept in a dog cage I was kept
in a large
cage and and the uh the bars it it had
like chain link only thicker and those
would be sometimes electrified oh okay
and when they were electrified
sometimes water would be drip dripped on
us so that the electricity would go
across they didn't want to kill us
outright um but they wanted to keep us
upset because the more upset we were the
stronger our psychic abilities and they
wanted those to
be at Peak when they put us in the chair
I see wow so it would
it was
torture and as far as I'm concerned
completely unnecessary but they they had
a rationale to it because it would
enhance your psychic abilities and make
everything else go
easier so who ran this project in your
time I don't know
okay um I used to think it was the CIA
M but there was a CIA archivist who had
processed my file and she said it was
the office of scientific studies where
my file came from
Wow and I didn't even know that that
agency was still in business at that
time the American government has
thousands of agencies that nobody knows
about and so I really don't know who had
monok at that time do you think it was
completely off the books uh from the
from what they they say the official
story of Monto is with the Brook Haven
Institute you know talking to the the
military in the 70s in the beginning of'
70s and saying okay let's set up an
experiment here the you know the the
Phoenix project and everything you think
and and your time was obviously you know
10 years before my time was was before
the Phoenix project
right but they had a chair the chair was
there yeah chair was there from the
Roswell crash
uhhuh
um whoever it
was had the blessing
of the proper owners of the chair
whoever that was there are so many
agencies and so many programs and and
going through and checking through the
history the programs change their name
and who pays their bills about every
eight years okay so it's really really
hard to track
them and a lot of these
programs you'll find okay it was called
a for this length of time and it was run
by this alphabet agency and then it's
called B and run by this other alphabet
agency and then then it's called C and
it's run by this military group and then
it's called D and it's run by this
military industrial complex Corporation
okay and then and then you go through
and somewhere between 1985 and
1995 they all go dark you can't track
them anymore and I'm assuming that's
when they went on some went on the
secret computer base there are remote
viewing programs that started in the
1950s and you can track them all the way
through until
1995 when they had project looking glass
replace them
all and then project Looking Glass just
disappears because they couldn't see
past
2012
wow and you have lots of these
trails that suddenly just
stop and you know they're still doing
this
stuff but you can't find it yeah and so
I'm 30 minutes in to this uh 2hour uh
very bad quality VHS uh transferred
video and he go I've seen it it's really
poor quality yeah and and Preston goes
okay this is the this is someone else's
office this is the secret this is the
general secretary's office and this is
the aliens office The Reptilian okay and
so so so he goes like The Reptilian
office right he goes like this is The
Reptilian office and then he goes away
and just doesn't you know elaborate he
doesn't say
anything across the way was the alien's
office a
reptilian across the way was the alien's
office a
reptilian now we're in a console area we
have recovered memories amongst the
group of guys that I've been
interviewing and they say there were a
group of Rogue drao that called
themselves um the Orion Syndicate wow
and that they were there and demanding
to be fed the rejected kids so that was
in what time
frame that would have
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been 1980 forward
okay they finally came and took over the
place in 2014 for the recovered
memories I don't remember being there
then but the guys that were keep telling
me that I was one of them even knew the
name for my altar
there and I would just write it off as
you know we covered memories um except
that when I went to interview these
people I could pick out of a lineup
which ones were real and which ones
weren't and there's no way I should be
able to do
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that