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so now we get to the management and
funny you mentioned that there were
reptilian
and I mean the Draco they followed him
around and in one of those interviews
Preston is saying that he remembers
vaguely uh a reptilian working beside
him like across from the hall uh and
there there there was just one
supposedly that he
remembers and you're saying there was
like a whole group on the base there so
uh yeah yeah so there was a whole group
so there was one that he he was talking
about originally when he became public
and I think later on he talked that he
talked about the uh the other ones that
would follow around there's normally I
think three of them if I remember
correctly okay or two two or three of
them that would follow him around
wherever he went um um I believe that he
would give them Dro like they they would
drink Dro get drunk and stuff like that
wow but yeah um where did they stay at
the base on the lower level somewhere uh
I haven't really looked too deep into
that um MH I haven't had those memories
come out but most of the time um I
remember just seeing them uh in the
feeding room area but they were there
were sometimes they would be around and
the room was where the room itself so
there was like 11 sub levels um believe
I stated the Su level feeding room was
like on 10 or it was on one of the Su
levels I can't remember off the top of
my head okay um and you would get there
how
uh there would be a staircase uhhuh so
not all the Personnel actually saw the
Draco on the base no I mean most of the
Personnel knew that were in the actual
underground base knew that there were
Draco there and they used portals to
come in get and get out right uh so
originally there was ways to basically
get above the base uh there was like a
MAG lift uh a lift that would take us up
and down uh there was also areas that
there were like small staircases that
you could climb uh like walk up and then
there was also like ladders that you can
climb out there was different entrances
that were littered all over the place at
um Campo yeah I mean the Draco would
portal in use a portal and and uh there
there were Draco yeah they they would
portal into the place or they would come
in you know uh via ship like they'd have
a craft transport craft that they would
land there and then get out to just
dependent on the circumstan okay so the
management there uh so from what you're
saying and others and I've been
listening to a lot of you know round
round taes and interviews it seems like
the image that Preston and Al bilck and
Larry James and others have portrayed of
themselves as being this people who were
like semi hero Almost Heroes and were
doing this all this cuttingedge stuff uh
was not entirely true so what do you
have to say to that for Larry James
specifically he came out and was open
about what he did there uh most of his
testimony was very accurate on point
there was things that I don't know if he
recalled or didn't but I I remember him
being there I remember him being there
after Jun did attack from what people
call Junior but it was just an alter
from one of the kids that was that had
its ability as aamp because the kid was
in the chair at the time and his altar
was in control a separate altar um
so Larry came out clean you're saying
yeah he was open about what he did and
he was
very uh very open about how he spoke
there and how he spoke in the interviews
and if any like say when he did his he
did an interview by himself he also did
an interview with Al and even when Al
was trying to like keep it more kosher
calm he would step in and be like no
remember we did this and Al would be
like yes you know so when he was on the
interview at least he was up
front I see and he forced out be more
upfront about stuff so you think that Al
and Preston were hiding stuff I think
that for for Al for instance um Al belck
which he did have a different life
before he went to Mont um until after
you know his life was changed after we
had taken over um
I think when he became public there was
a lot of stuff that he wanted to talk
about that he kind of held back on and
then there was things that I think maybe
were implanted memories possibly you
know um about them trying to stop the
program I don't think that that was the
case uh from what I remember he never
wanted to stop the program he was fully
invested in the program even up until
after we took over he tried to sit there
and assert dominance and basically I I
remember threatening to either shoot him
he only had two options uh he was either
going to get shot or going to S back
into the new life that he was going to
have which was albic the way he puts it
is that he arrived after you know
working somewhere else he arrived at the
base he had these these skills and
Specialties and he got challenged by
this uh program saying that you need to
now indoctrinate the boys and it was a
disaster and he turned it down and then
they threatened him with the energy
weapon he then said all right I'll do it
and that's how it started from what I
remember because I do remember how he
showed up so the little area that is in
the center at Camp hero uh which they
did a recent video where they all yeah
the grid that circle area that grid
Point area that's where he popped at
that's where he popped in at um I
remember seeing him there when I was
later on as a teenager in my altar Jimmy
um but originally he was there already
but he had left on a different he had
left the base the owl that I as a kid
had left the base and when he when this
one showed up he was totally a different
person he was a normal person so they
did force him to do stuff
originally um it's just that he also had
that alar so they surface that altar
eventually you know um so you're saying
that he had two periods of time that he
was there the original time that you
remember from the beginning but then
that he might not remembered right yeah
um he he remembers bit some pieces of it
but I think maybe his memories probably
got jumbled jumbled together which I
think he I think he talked about his
memories being jumbled of it you know
which I would doubt it he seems to
express remorse sometimes but sometimes
he seems to be very like hard
and callous about it that's because his
alter Allen surfaced in that interview
yeah he was like very clinical about it
almost like a
Nazi yeah he was very surgical that's
the way he
was when when you remember him there yes
yes
okay he's a little more brutal though
like if you didn't get in the chair you
know there's other people that talk
about it he would threaten to beat you
you know he'd be like get the chair and
this is why I was talking about where
like you'd have him where he'd be like
you know ask you to do something and if
you didn't do it he'd take it to another
level which would be violence you know
his voice would change his whole
demeanor would change and he'd be like
get the in the chair and if you
didn't do that then it would be a brutal
beating and then he'd put you in the
chair
anyways when I when I first got there I
know that some of us lived we lived
above the base originally before they
took us into the underground area so
there was that where they have no
windows um and I remember them in this
time portal they actually had Windows
there uh it was boarded up though so
they kep us there yeah the time bubble
basically they the place that was
located there that um it has like two
stories you know they gave us a living
area that was our living area we had
bunk beds that were in there on the
first floor um and then later on uh we
were shifted to going directly straight
into the underground base um where we
were given living quarters
um and it was pretty much the same it
was just brick wall but we were able to
go outside into the top area um when we
were like teenagers and stuff like that
uh you know and so the the turnover I
guess was crazy because you said that
people were like com coming and going
and being you know fed and stuff like
that yeah originally the turnover rate
was pretty extreme um it was it was
still violent even up until later on but
originally like even when I was a teen
eventually they would send you know
there was groups of individuals that
would still be on base and they would
send the rest back as kids you know like
they said uh and then they would start
bringing a new kids and then we had to
train those kids um I've done a recent
interview where you know it was openly
discussed who was there um there was me
and like basically three other people
that oversaw the training of a lot of
these kids and they were kept on one of
the levels you know certain levels they
were allowed to go on and certain ones
they just weren't so you're saying you
had living quarters there but then I
guess in the beginning you were kept in
cages to like make you compliant and
then you were moved to a better
conditions yeah as we got older we were
kind of better conditions you know we
some of us had rooms some of us didn't
some of us had like grouping rooms you
know like basically we it was a
community room okay I see all right so
the Personnel on the base do you
remember any scientists any famous
people I guess some names that you could
you know remember the scientist that Al
belck spoke about uh he's he was a I
think he was a
mathematician uh can't remember what his
name was off the top of my head V noyman
yes he was there yes okay and he
supposedly died early on like in the 50s
or something yes yeah but they had taken
him they they had basically taken him
and he was there
permanently um they wouldn't let him
leave like he remembered his life before
there um he never really got to leave
the base there normally he would be on
one of the specific subl levels and then
they would let him out ever so often
he'd be able to ro around a little bit
but most of the time they kept him
pretty busy uh did you see anyone else
like someone you can like for example
the actor Mark haml do you remember him
I mean he looks familiar I wouldn't
doubt that he would be there a lot of
the actors and musicians were brought
there okay and what were they doing
there possibly I mean some were used as
sex slaves um some were used at to be
programmed so that they would do stuff
in the here and now um follow the
process basically the programming um
some of them were used as you know time
soldiers just depended on what they were
capable of wow I can understand how you
could intimidate someone who is you know
small and Powerless basically but the
Personnel who was you know the service
people everyone else what do you think
was their like motivation I guess how
were were they threaten too I know a lot
of the people that were guards in the
underground portion of the base um most
of them were people that had Alters that
had been brought in from different
timelines okay um or they were broughten
in you know because they already had
alternate personalities that were
already
pre-trained I see so this was so now
this opens a whole new Vista I guess of
Monto not just being you know this
limited 13 years uh you know
experimental program this was like a
trans temporal project yes and so now
the question then arises of who ran it
who really was behind this to my
recollection when I had taken over it
was basically joint situation where you
had the AI that was in charge of the
base um that basically handed down
orders and then you also had it working
alongside um well basically benefiting
from the military working with it um
I've spoken about it in other interviews
and stuff like that okay so the AI could
not have been created by people in the
60s right that AI was already there
okay and it it was stored where in uh it
was stor on sub it was stored from what
I remember on sub level 11 it was in the
office um it was basically in the main
office of person
that once you get to the underground the
the 11th level it was stored in the
office with the person that was known as
uh Jack Ryan I think or Ja Jack Brit
that's it was yeah they called him jack
BR AKA John B
Alexander yes okay so they were they
were actually there as a as a tandem as
a
team Yeah so basically he was the one
who was who was running it the face of
it the AI was the one that was behind
the program and how it got ran that's
why it was so cold and
calculated we don't know the origins of
it right I don't know the origins of it
I just know that was about
self-preservation uh it did later on get
transferred from that base um which I've
talked about in other preservation of
whom itself itself so it has it had its
own like agenda I guess right yes you
never heard of any origin like who
brought it over maybe the ETS the cabal
whoever no okay I know that they I know
that some of the people in what's known
as the cabal worship it yes okay all
right all right so it's like an AI DT
basically yeah all right interesting it
made itself a
DS wow oh it was calculated of course
but then it should have mind control a
lot of people before it could actually
spread out this operation
right I think what process was is once
the military got it got to interface
with it it basically talked the military
into doing stuff and it would give them
things it would work along it would I
think that it made itself seem like it
was going to work along with them but
really ended up utilizing them and
compartmentalizing different situations
to where it was able to bring about a
lot of how the program operated oh wow
so the people got kind of Trapped in
this project that they sign that's what
that's what our people do you know this
just like with all the craft craft
crashes we take the craft we back you
know break it down rebuild it ourselves
to learn how it works and then you know
you get a group that shows up like oh
we'll offer you this if you give us this
oh more technology more advanced we need
power to defend ourselves that turns
into something darker later you know
whatever their intention originally was
isn't going to be the intention later on
we're not as intelligent as a lot of the
advanced species that are out there and
there are other species that are less
intelligent than us or as intelligent us
on different planets okay and they get
taken advantage of too so the the
regular personnel there they were you
said that part of them was at least mind
controlled and uh they were like in the
situation where they basically got you
know convinced and complied and said
okay we'll do this so when they would
they would you know throw the kids to
the Draco or incinerate them they would
just go along and I think a lot of it
started Within the military like once
the AI involved itself with the military
it basically embedded compartmentalized
processes to create mind controlled
soldiers um you know and then mov them
up into higher positions and then you
know got got them to fund certain
things okay I just want to imagine like
how would you know you would be picked
for this kind of project and end up in
this facility where you know it's a
completely different reality you have
reptilians there you have a
concentration camp style uh regime there
and I guess when you study the Nazis and
like the regular people who worked at
the camps uh they were also in the
beginning very shocked by this and many
of them actually you know got sick or
tried to transfer or something like that
but then they got convinced uh gradually
you know step by step they get convinced
that this is necessary you know we are
doing this for our country and our
nation and that's it basically pecking
order compliance yeah yes and the
plasticity of the human brain kicks in
and you basically end up with a
holocaust you know they you they utilize
patriotism um a lot preservation for for
self later you know when you start to
not be as compliant um and then
eventually you just or get used to it
you know you become jaded to the
situation and a lot of it is
self-preservation because you know if
you started not complying in certain
circumstances as we got older there they
would put us back in the dog cages and
basically start us at Ground Zero with
the
abuse and you know you it'd be other
people that you were around you know so
you never knew who would who would tell
them you know if you did something out
of the ordinary and eventually you know
you'd get turned in because people
wanted
to be given leniency you know um my my
alter did that other altars other
people's altars did that you know okay
um it was basically they utilized us and
we started doing what they did because
we didn't want to be continue to be
abused you know yeah just
surviving um I remember like later on um
like I remember my first mission I went
on after I had been fully trained they
trained Us in normal military stuff you
know where you would run through the
tires and stuff like that you know uh
this is what they did to us as kids and
I I remembered a lot of that yeah PT
training than combat training um I
remember that they taught us mainly
um esrea was the the main fighting style
that we used originally sticks yeah with
the sticks yes um and I remember doing a
lot of that beforehand and I remember my
first mission was in this jungle area I
was by myself and I was sent I think I
was sent to assassinate somebody uh it
was my first actual combat like combat
interaction and I remember running into
like a soldier uh they were dressed in
what looked like a it was a military
uniform but they had like body armor and
everything they had weapons they had a
sidearm and stuff like that and I
remember like being afraid to die
because they never told us when we were
there that we were in Clone bodies
originally okay you know so when you
first go out you don't know that this
could be your last time because normally
when you went on missions it most of the
people there had no real importance so
they would just leave you there to die W
that was that was the main gist of it it
was a rarity that you would be brought
back you know unless you had some
something that they
needed and regen right and regen yeah
and regen basically um
they the first mission I went on I went
there I got I got caught by the soldier
that was patrolling um and I just
remember had going into physical combat
with him because I had snuck up on him
and he he had seen me he had caught me
before I could take him out and I
remember having a a just
a Like A Kar regular you know combat
knife and he he had pulled out his
pistol I remember fighting him trying
for him not to shoot me with his pistol
his sidearm um and I remember killing
him but it was like I remember getting
the memories back of that and it was
like really scary you know because I got
the emotions of my altar on top of the
memory um it was pretty intense and it
was like a pretty drawn out fight you
know for survival that was my first that
that was the first mission I went on I
don't remember specifically who I was
supposed to take out but I just remember
killing that
soldier Okay so it was run by the
military and and the AI and you would
think that it would be very regimented
and regulated but some programmers were
very free with what they could do right
like Preston for example Preston took a
lot of
Liberties um he was from what I recall
he was never fully in control it was
always
um it was always Jack Bru that was in
charge under the AI basically but nobody
knew about the AI there that I remember
um or if they did they never spoke about
it and when I remember like later on
interacting with Jack Bru speaking to
him he made it very clear that very few
people even knew the AI was in charge
because human nature is that you know
even in the he now if AI took over
people would be scared and they wouldn't
want to comply you know
um but Preston was never fully in charge
but he was he was in charge of of the
area of expertise that he had and
because of his success rate even though
it was a brutal way of him doing it the
AI sought it as it would be okay you
know um it eventually knew it would come
to a head because of the amount of
people that were on the base but at the
time when we were teenagers that wasn't
a problem okay his success rate dream
that they kept on and allowed him to
take Leisure and do things that most of
the people there that were doing
programming didn't really do but you
know they they did certain things but he
would go the extra mile for his own
pleasure okay so what was what was he
doing if you could describe a little bit
I mean as much as you can Nicholas in
general um let's see we had our normal
stuff where they would dunk our heads in
the water and things like that you know
uh beat us dunk our heads in the water
and then electrocute us on this fence
that was in the training room originally
uh they they chain us up and then
electrocute us and then drag us off and
this was to activate our abilities but
later on he started like bringing in his
dog stupid you know uh nobody else did
that none of the other people that were
programmers there I don't remember them
ever bringing animals in uh but they
would have us do things with the animals
um okay or you know the animals would do
things to you know the women and things
like
that and the boys as kids speaking of uh
it was all boys and girls there the
whole time right yes there were boys and
girls there the whole time not just boys
there wasn't just boys okay so I
remember boys and girls being there the
entire time that I was there and there
was no like separation between them
nothing like that okay no you would be
in a CA you would be in a dog cage you
know when it first brought you and you'd
be in a dog cage right next to a girl
would be in a dog cage right next to
like maybe a boy and then there would be
another boy and then there' be another
girl you know normally they kept it to
where it was a level number between boys
and girls sometimes it might have been
overlapped but then they would bring
somebody in it would it would lap over
because they would try to bring in
people that were you know traumatized
together was girls that came out
publicly and said I remember being there
even when he was around and in
interviews with him and he would never
deny that they were there he did slip up
and state that they were there later on
but okay okay so Preston was a major
programmer obviously there uh and he we
don't know how much memory he got
retrieved or you know was he messed with
I guess he was mind wiped at least right
and later maybe you know concealed a lot
of stuff that he remed well I know he
openly offered to sodomize James in an
interview that he was doing with James
to bring back his memories James rink
yeah okay there's there's an interview
where he was there with him and he
openly slipped up like his alter serpent
was like well I can I can break your
programming basically he was saying I
can break your programming down but I'd
have to sodomize you
yeah all right so we have five minutes
let's uh finish with the Junior and
incident what happened
there okay so with Junior I remember I'm
not going to State who his alter was or
who the person
is but that was not Duncan camon is what
you're saying no it wasn't D was there
he worked in the chair a lot but Duncan
Cameron was not the one who who did that
it was a child that was tortured
extremely that was in the room in the
chair at the time one of his altars took
over that people perceive as Junior and
what it did is this altar basically was
extremely psychic and had the abilities
of the chair to strengthen his his s
abilities uh to expand them um with that
b was he physical no he wasn't physical
what he did from what I remember is he
basically knocked the people like
psychically like put them unconscious so
people basically that were programmed to
be there were knocked unconscious people
that were there of their own free will
that could go home every day he would go
into their heads and cause them to
either kill themselves make them see
things what he was doing was sending
images of an actual whatever they feared
the most into their minds and you know
he would do that with some of the
soldiers that were there some of the
guards so that they would start shooting
at each other he would make them think
that you know this other person that was
next to them wasn't that person it was
this crazy looking monster creature that
just came through and they would start
killing each other okay and that's why
it was so insane this this was like a
like a collective psionic illusion
basically that he was he was projecting
and basically manipulating the whole the
whole the whole group there people that
were more psychic tried to fend it off
but you know when you're sitting in the
chair like I said it it advances your s
abilities that's the whole point of it
so okay so he wasn't physical but they
actually say that he started wreaking
havoc and crashing everything so how
could he do
that that I'm not sure of I you know
maybe he could make it physical but I
don't remember that per se but I do
remember what he was and it was just
basically like I know that it was an
altar and I know that it basically
implanted memories was he
everybody no if you were standing there
normally without him being in the chair
had that kid not been in the chair you
would have never seen him okay basically
he went into people's minds and made
them see things that weren't there which
caused them to kill each other put
thoughts in their heads and made or took
over took them over and basically caused
them to kill each other he retaliated to
the people who caused him harm before I
mean the the the kid right the the kid
the that altar that was there got so
scared that another altar that had
already been made before took over
utilized the chair to to basically kill
everything that was a threat that it
could get to at the time and how many
people got killed do you remember I'm
not sure but I know that there was a lot
wow and how long did the incident last
I don't think it lasted too long it was
pretty rapid like he was everywhere like
when you're sitting in the chair it
expanded his mind person that was in
there so it expanded his psychic
abilities outward to engulf the area
that he was in the vicinity of it's just
like when you sit in the chair when
you're in space your mind expands you
become one with with basically like with
the ship and the ship becomes you you
know but you can actually see it outside
of the ship you know so that's basically
the same thing like he became I guess
you could say in a way he became the
building and the building was him like
he could be everywhere once and this is
why happened on every level all at
the same time so do you remember the
base being devastated after the incid I
remember there being a lot of bullet
holes everywhere um there was a lot of
chaos you know a lot of people were
killing each other um I I remember being
scared shitless because you know I just
was like walking down the hall one
moment all this you know got told not to
open the
door uh where the kid was I remember
opening the door and then just all hell
broke
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