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even when I was there they were
still they were starting to send kids
like myself and others when when we were
brought in in the chair um to different
planets at that point um I know with
Penny the way that she's explained it is
I think that they were trying that but
they were more or less trying to see a
butterfly effect you know how
manipulation of time would alter okay
the current reality um so I'm not sure
per se what all they knew at that point
up to the point but clearly they
realized that they can go
not only to mess with temporal time
going back in time forward in time but
they could also start opening portals on
other planets and getting there at a
faster
rate um that was just the basis the
basics of the chair um I
know that later on after my altar had
taken over the base I know that we
delved more further into how how that
Tech worked um
and some people were able to like
utilize it to jump into people's bodies
and stuff uh with their with their
altars things like that okay I heard I
heard Penny saying that you could do
that
too yeah okay wow interesting so let's
cover the ETS that were on the base uh
do you remember we can talk about the
Draco later but do you remember any
other races
there uh so far like I've had images of
remembering gray being there we had gray
um we had Draco there was other
reptilians and stuff um I'm not quite
sure I know that the there were
different kinds of alien species that
showed up there but most of the time
they didn't stick around too long it was
like a tradeoff for like tech for
information like tech for intelligence
or they could operate do stuff that they
normally weren't allowed to do you know
so they would come and show up it be
like an intermediary situation you
know okay so the original story goes
that they actually took it's actually a
double uh version there that they
actually took this seat uh the chair was
from the Roswell crash which seems well
plausible but I guess you know there
were probably like 50 Roswell crashes by
1960 so I mean it could be any any kind
of crash right but also the original
story goes that they actually took a
Syrian technology and they were you know
someone like Preston was heavy on that
saying that the syrians the syrians and
then he even described them saying they
looked like us and probably maybe had
bigger heads did you hear anything about
this where the chair came from and
stuff they didn't really go into detail
on where the chair came from I have to
understand so like when I was brought in
it was like we weren't really informed
about anything originally you know
so basically it was like when I was
brought in it was the same situation
with everybody you were just dragged
along um ordered around and told to do
stuff until you got to a certain point
and you still weren't really informed as
much most of the time it's just here's
an order you follow the order you don't
follow the order here's the
repercussions and here's your orders
again follow the orders or these
repercussions are going to get worse you
know they didn't really stick around and
be like okay so this is why we're doing
this you know it's like when you go to
the military they're not going to sit
there and explain why do they're
just going to give you an order and
you're going to follow it you know um
but it it wasn't until like later on
found files and things like that that we
started learning different things but
that wasn't like a big situation for my
altar at the time because there was so
much going on in the Bas um but from
what I can remember it was just like we
didn't we still did not have a grass
fully on what the chair was possibly
capable of doing okay we didn't fly any
craft that I know of all most of our
missions were done trying to locate
different planets exchange technology
you know or resources or whatever we
could get for their
technology um this was originally when
like Preston was was over us but Preston
when I say Preston was over us that
doesn't mean that he was the director he
wasn't the director he was just one of
the programmers but he was the one who
was in charge of a lot of us
um but that's Norm what they were doing
at at the time when my altar was a
little bit older like around 15 and and
up uh most of the time when my alar was
around 15 it was basically bringing you
know kids new kids were brought in we
were to do what what they did to us to
train them get them all set up and
squared away so like they could be sent
back you know do their little bit of
time there sent back and utiliz later
through different operations that they
were pulling okay um all right so you
remember the grace uh you remember the
Draco of course some other reptilians
probably but that was it yeah I I do
remember meeting the Grays um one of the
situations I remember was we were in a
cafeteria arcs talked about it a bit but
the Grays normally hung around this one
individual I know them in the here now
and I know who their alter is and what
their name is I'm not gonna they're not
public so I'm not GNA State anything uh
about who they are
but I know that they followed them
around I know that they made like a
hybrid gray so that it would be easier
for us to interact with them okay
um normally when we would sit there and
interact with that gray with the Grays
they were kind of
cold um and they didn't really like it
was all telepathic from what I remember
up until they had that half the the half
hybrid basically and that one would
speak to us normally okay but yeah um
when it came to the Grays like I said
they were very cold they didn't really
interact too well but it also depended
on who you were more interactions ones
that were more aligned with their
genetic structure okay so it was their
function there what did they
do uh I know that they did a lot of
scientific stuff I think they were
probably involved in a lot of the
cloning process um I know that I know
that we had dogs that they had
genetically altered okay were on the
base
um just a bunch of different things you
know they they were involved in a lot of
different things all right all right so
there were some levels at that time
there were some levels that we weren't
allowed on but okay they would be on
those levels if that makes sense like
areas that were off limits things like
that okay do you remember a lab or a
series of labs being there
underground yeah I know that there was
like well there was like rooms where
they had like um science areas uh I
remember that um I know that they had a
separate chair that was there that would
train people like you could sit in the
chair it was
like it wasn't it didn't look like the
Matrix chair but it basically had the
same the same system structure where you
could sit in it and it would just
basically upload you know information
into your head but like you didn't it
did it didn't like plug into your head
or that is you set in it and it
basically utilized some kind of tech
that would feed information in your head
so you can learn how to do stuff okay
like Speed Learning okay yeah all right
but no like crazy simulation like in The
Matrix no it wasn't like a simulation it
was more like it was more like it would
just feed just imagine just sitting
there how you're how they were looking
at at say Neo for instance and all that
information was being uploaded instead
of being in the ation you were just
sitting in the chair and it was just
showing just fast uh images across so
that your brain could comprehend what
was what you were seeing you could pull
it up if if it was necessary in the
moment but you know it wasn't like you
were going into your mind and seeing all
this stuff like like how they were
portraying it in The Matrix wow
interesting and in that room it was a
white room like that that room was a
complete white room and the chair was a
white chair like that's what I I
remember being like an all white like
was really
bright so so um who would be sent there
uh and
why uh so like when they so Larry James
just talked about how we we would go
back in time and stuff like that and we
would go and we would fight in these
different Wars and things like that to
see the changes and the outcomes and
here and now right so what they would do
to make sure that we understood how to
fight in the manner that that soldiers
would fight back then you know with the
weaponry and things like that they would
basically upload that information into
our brain and then we would be able to
utilize that when we were basically sent
to go and infiltrate different areas and
then we would also be given uniforms
like different uniforms and things like
that that we would dress up you know if
we had to grow our beards out different
things it just depended yeah I was
curious about how they how they did the
training before those missions because
those missions seem to be very complex
in terms of you know you had to really
look the part and you know in order to
actually influence things it's not just
you know chronovision where you could go
and look and then come back in a second
or something wow interesting W that's an
interesting aspect that we actually
stumble upon here okay so uh with the
races the other reptilians that weren't
Draco do you remember them what do you
remember them
doing uh it was more more or less
like so you have your like Penny talked
about you know you have your Al Drax you
have your warrior class Draco and then
you have you know your worker class
Draco so there were a few worker class
Draco and they they look like how
they've been presented in some artwork
you know off and on uh online um you had
your Warrior Clash Draco those are the
main ones that we had interactions with
you had like maybe one like an alpha dra
back maybe a couple that would come
around but it would be like you normally
just didn't mess with them and kept your
distance that's what we were taught you
know we were taught to fear them
um but I remember like they would like
at certain times they would have us
train with them um I know that when we
were kids when we were first originally
there and I was younger I remember that
they would be they would be there so
like if you tried to leave
the the time bubble which you could step
out of it and go into the time period
that that we are in you know not like
right now but like back at the back then
so the way the time bubble worked is a
year here would be three years
there a year a year in in the here and
now would be three years inside the yes
it would be three years inside the
bubble so three years could pass inside
the bubble but here it would be just a
year so there was a time quoti it's not
like it's it was like completely Frozen
it's okay I got people aged and things
like that but it's like you know and
they we had Tech to to stop people from
dying things like that or aging too fast
but that you know this is just how the
process worked I don't know why that was
the case you know I don't
know I'm not really sure why I know that
if we affected anything outside of our
time like in this time it wouldn't
affect the time bubble that we were in
that was another major thing so it's
like so so like how people would be a
some some of the people would be able to
leave the base you know like Larry James
had talked about you know people would
leave the thing is is when those people
would leave like Preston and Larry and
all of them like I talked about
previously um when they would come back
like I said we would have already done
missions that changed the time frame and
then changed that time frame back to the
one that we originally were on and they
would just be none the wiser of the
situation and still be like we're gonna
do it anyways you know so you know we
ran into a lot of that situation where
these people would leave the
base because it's like once they left
they had no recollection of what was
changed what was changed was normal to
them yeah so it was they kind of jumped
the timeline naturally and they the the
previous timeline what you're saying is
the previous history was kind of erased
from their memory they forgot about it
so there was no Mandela effects for them
but inside the bubble you could tell you
knew that there was another timeline
another version of history and there is
a new timeline that you change too right
and when they would go go out into the
world they would basically become like
everybody else you know without the
Mandela effect and they would just think
this is what the world has been always
right okay yeah okay um all right so do
you like technically do you remember how
was this time bubble generated and where
was it generated from I'm not sure it's
like the time so the time bubble was
there before we were so it's like it was
already set up and nobody ever went into
any detail about it I remember like I
said how I was talking about the
interactions one of the I tried to walk
out of the out of it and he was like
don't do that you know stop me from
going out of out of this bubble area you
know because there was
a I don't know he just basically said it
was like if you if you walk out you're
going to be in a different time than
what we're in and that's the way it was
explained to me okay I don't know
specifically why I didn't want us to
walk out maybe it would have just been
extra he would have to deal
with you know or whatever the situation
might have been yeah maybe it was it
would mess with your mind and you
wouldn't remember like some of the stuff
that you were doing at the job probably
the same what happened to you know
Preston and Larry probably I know that I
know that it
didn't per se with us I don't why but
there was instances where we would be
sent off the base we would go out
because there there's this gas station
that was down quite a bit of ways you
know like me and Arc have talked about
it but
um Arc more than I have but you know
we'd be sent down to see what kind of
currency they had and the guy that was
it was always the same guy he
might look a little different you know
with like maybe he had have a beard or
maybe he wouldn't maybe he'd be clean
shaved you know but we would you know
every time we altered something drastic
and we brought our money he would make
fun of us you know and be like you know
we don't accept Monopoly money here you
know it's like what Arc said that like
that I was like dude you know
because I started like I had memories of
it okay you know and like there was
stuff flooding through when brought up
yeah I heard I heard that part and it
was amazing because so my my question is
would you then you you brought the money
from the previous timeline to this gas
station and the per the clerk at the gas
station would say it's no good right
because it's not we don't accept
Disneyland money is what he said right
once something like that Monopoly
Monopoly money Monopoly money right
right right so would you would you then
go back quickly and re redo it again get
back yeah so we would we would we would
go back to the base and explain what had
changed what you know that time had
changed and then through that they would
have a full understanding okay so we did
we did alter this it's a drastic
alteration you know what's the outcome
of this and then we go and look into
that they would send other people to go
and look into it and stuff like that to
see what all stuff we manipulated you
know wow because it's like the butterfly
effect that's it's it's a serious thing
like you canect something small and it
could be an extreme change okay so the
time bubble then uh if you were say
somewhere in New York at that time and
you wanted to go to Monto would you bump
into a force field or something when you
went there or what would what would
happen so I'm not I can't quite remember
personally I haven't gotten Memories
Back of how we got in back into the time
the time bubble um I don't know if we
had to go through a portal or there was
some other entr entry way but I just I
do remember like you could leave it but
it was getting back into it was an issue
for us you know so I'm pretty sure that
they had some way that we tra you know
travel back through back and forth but
you don't remember the the entry point
how it was you know constru not at this
time no I haven't had memories of it
okay I hav't really Del to it I should
say to even process so there there was
no like palpable distinction between
being in the bubble and outside of the
bubble it's like in a movie where you
know someone steps into a forest and
they end up in another reality but they
don't realize it right yeah so the only
alterations I remember so like in in
this time right the the windows that
were at on one of the buildings were
painted on you know um where in the time
bubble there was an actual boarded up
area where there was Windows mhm so in
the time bubble there was actual windows
at one point and they had just boarded
it up and because I remember a kid being
pushed you know basically like
telekinetically pushed into it and it
broke the the board like throwing them
outside of the window whereas in in our
time it's just a it was just a wall and
they just had painted on it so there
were like two parallel Monto realities
then the one that was probably for for
The Outsiders I guess and for those who
were inside the bubble it was like I do
I do remember one time when Preston had
asked me to go wash some of the clothes
because and I I know that there's a
washer and dryer that was at the top and
somebody has it on video there there's a
there's a group that went there a lot
you know they have it on video where you
have this washer and dryer and I
remember being a kid going up to the top
level and like taking the clothes there
washing the clothes and I remember a
sold coming up and being like who were
you where you know like started
questioning because I was some random
kid that was on a base at the time and
they were like who are you what are you
doing here and I was just like oh um you
know I just made up some you know I
remember so what what does that mean you
you ended up in a part of the base that
wasn't in the bubble is that what you're
saying I think it was more or less
like at some point on the top level
a lot of the people that were there
didn't know that we were operating there
you know so it's like you can have
people that are on a base that don't
know what's going on or that there's an
underground location oh okay that's
interesting okay so you're saying is it
was compartmentalized okay yeah I
remember being freaked out
because I didn't know that anybody was
going to be there you know most of the
time it was empty on the top level once
we went underground more less and I just
remember like freaking out and like just
trying to grab the stuff and go back
down and be like hey there was this guy
I going to Nicholas and being like hey
there was this guy out the top he
started questioning me I don't know who
he is you know but he was dressed in
military get all right you know so there
was a bit of a mix between the the comp
compartmentalized part and the you know
the the official part I guess the top
the the surface level right yeah wow
interesting can you say what you changed
specifically to for example the currency
to change so drastically that you they
couldn't accept the the old currency at
a gas station I know one of the times we
we altered um the Roman Empire's uh fall
so we were we we had fought in a lot of
their battles um on their behalf and
they ended up winning and when they won
they took
over they built an actual larger Empire
okay
um I know that when that happened that's
when a lot of our current their currency
changed and was like coin based in a
sense so it was kind of the same how the
Roman Empire was they had coins and
stuff like that but they took over like
big time um so they they expanded beyond
what we historically know now as the
Roman Empire instead of falling and you
know collapsing on itself as it was with
you know the Germanic tribes pushing on
them from the north they actually stayed
there and expanded right they didn't
split into like the Western and the
Eastern okay and that that was the
factor that actually changed what ended
up to be a different currency at a gas
station but it was still the same but it
was still the same
America I would say it wasn't the same
America no like I think the laws were
different and stuff like that I'm not
quite sure because there was other
people like I said that were sent on
other missions to verify different
things that was more or less like we
change something go run down here find
out if there's any alteration with it
you know with the currency and then we
would run back you know um and that that
was like what I did that's what a few
other people did but when it came to
like going around and finding out the
differences governing structures and
things like that that was left up to
other people so how do you undo this if
you want to undo this so we would have
to go back in time basically and stop
yourself
well it was
like I don't recall ever seeing myself
on the other side you know but it would
be like whoever was on those missions
because it wasn't always me you know
there was other people that were sent
out to do this there were other units so
you know we would be sent back in time
and those people that were sent in that
time were brought back you know and then
we would basically be on the opposite
side so it's like the the telephone what
what is it called the anti- telephone or
something that Tony Rodriguez is talking
about the team that was supposed to
change that you went before the before
them or at the time that they were there
and actually brought them back before
they could change it well it' be like so
we would we would infiltrate the other
side's army military okay we would work
with within their their structure as
just foot soldiers normally uh we were
always taught not to exceed our limits
because we were we were very well
trained in combat you know so we're
always taught to keep a low profile you
know don't go all out just you know be
basic in a sense if that makes sense you
know okay don't be don't be that figure
in history that that you know ends up in
a textbook or something yeah pretty much
you know like you you didn't want to
kill like 10 15 people at once and then
have a bunch of people go oh this
guy you know who are you you know we
were told to keep a low profile um but
we would make sure that go back and
alter it and change it either back or to
a different degree or whatever it would
always
be we would always make sure that we
were there so that we could you know
guide that alteration so it went either
the way it was supposed to or with a
with just a bit of a Twist if that makes
sense and that that was just with that
was between the Roman Empire and the
Germanic and you know the Germans the
Germanic people at that time uh we also
altered you know the Civil War I
remember being a part of that there's
others that remember that um yeah the
original timeline I remember was that
the South had
won um and that the North had lost um
okay when that when that timeline
occurred Germany was able to take
America out and that's what they wanted
to change during World War II basically
in the original timeline m America lost
the war against Germany so they that's
one of the the major alterations they
wanted to change from what I remember um
and we were able to successfully change
that through changing the Civil War
because when the South won they did win
and you could just look at history and
tell that they they won every battle but
lost the war which is just it's it's
quite awkward to be honest I mean you
can even tell that it's awkward um very
few countries have ever won every battle
and lost an entire War but when that
when that got altered that allowed our
country specifically to have the
economic fortitude to withstand Germany
during World War II not that we were the
only ones that were a part of the the
changing that but that just allowed us
not to be destroyed easily that was the
main factor when the South W our economy
was not good okay so the I heard this
story and I'm really curious is you
probably don't because you you ended up
there as a kid but do you remember going
into Monto or anyone remember going into
Monto and actually remembering the old
timeline where the South uh had
won I remember that that was the
original timeline that I came from okay
so what you're saying is at project mon
talk you had this mission where you had
to ensure that the north one and the the
country stayed United and in the
previous version that I I heard that
that you're implying is that the South
won and it actually became two countries
the South and the north right no from
what I remember so when the South one
they took over it's just it wasn't okay
they weren't able to keep up the the
economical structure for the entire
nation so it wasn't it never balanced
out properly I got it got it yeah um and
then still another question is that it's
a bit of a paradox because still the
history went on with the same basic
features like for example you had
project monok in the 70s which you know
even in the old timeline where the South
one that happened right the monok
happened and the war happened so it was
pretty much the same in many ways right
so from what I remember you had the
original one where the Civil the the
South have won the Civil War and that
led to Germany taking over the country
when they came when they when they ended
up starting World War II and through
that the original mon talk that we had
was ran by Germans wow so the mon that
that existed before the timeline changed
was actually a German run project and it
still was there so okay so why would you
then go and alter the Civil War and
World War II if it was a German project
why would they want it changed so it was
like you had different different people
like different Waring factions within
Monto that wanted control okay that's
what I you know um so you had that but
it was like uh like I said before a lot
of it was they were still trying to
figure out how stuff worked they
understood Butterfly Effects but they
didn't understand to what extreme extent
alterations would occur mhm you know so
I remember that happening I remember
when it changed you know they didn't
have the control they had because they
had a lot of uh swastikas of things that
were there but once that was altered
that stuff went away and then it was it
was an American Military that ran
it so what you're saying is there is a
clear distinction between what happened
before that change before you actually
altered history and the Civil War and
World War II right so World War II you
actually didn't go to you didn't have to
because the Civil War was the key point
where this this would you know alter
history subsequently right to to
actually make sure that America was the
winner of World War II what you're
saying right yeah well one of them yeah
but okay okay and so and the Roman
Empire part was it any way in any way
connected with what you were trying to
do also with this or so it was more or
less just to see what the outcomes would
be all right like it you have to
understand like it was a it was a Time
Project so it was to see what would
happen if you know if this happened or
if that happened you know they wanted to
see what the DraStic alterations would
be for history if it would be more
beneficial or if it would be less
beneficial the outcome was to benefit
the project itself and further its
growth so there's a lot where you you
notice you have all these different
groups like these Illuminati groups and
how they're able to be stable throughout
the time you know um they were fed
information and basically strung along
through these
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