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can you say how you got through the the
cordone uh at the base to to actually
get to the naval base if they threatened
you with weapons and
stuff so from what I remember it's like
we got out of the area we found an area
where there wasn't anybody guarding it
and we just moved through that area I
know there was a lot of Forestry which
there is up there you know I just
remember remember they moving through
the forest those are the images I I've
seen as they moving through the forest
um once they got to this location like
there was an individual that was with us
that knew of knew of the location or the
area where it was and we ended up just
heading that direction okay um when we
got there um we found a way in uh you
had to open this hatch and go down this
ladder from what I have memory of um
I'm not I'm not certain like the path
they took to get there I just have like
bits and pieces of imager that but
remember them going there uhuh um it
took them a while they it was really
like old and broken down um and I just
remember them trying to survive there
basically like from the time that Jimmy
was there they weren't there for a long
portion of time for Jimmy um I know that
those people
he had left them there the time frame
that they were there I just have
memories and the feelings of like how
Jimmy was starving so was everybody else
that was there they would try to hunt
for like different food like different
game that was in the area that they
could get a hold of which was pretty
sparse from what I I remember uh I
remember them it got to the point where
because there were still Draco that were
in that area um that would be out at
night like during the night time
specifically is when they would go out
um and they got to the point where they
would group in a unit and attack try to
find a draco by himself and attack them
and try to take them down kill them and
then I remember them like chopping them
up and eating them wow and that
happened quite a few times until they
caught on to what they were doing um but
I remember them eating it I remember
like their their meat wasn't that great
and it was like a really shitty
situation and they were still starving
at that point I remember them being able
to get Tech to work that would send
signals out into space um and I remember
Jimmy working alongside some of the
individuals there to basically contact
whoever would show up um at that point
and I know that KN Wavin was one of them
that ended up showing up there
and so I just remember Jimmy made a deal
with them that he would help them he
didn't know specifically who the hell
they were at that point um that specific
group um faction would be more correct
that specific faction but they he asked
an exchange for their services because
of what they were capable of if they
would bring food and they did keep up
their end of the deal and I remember one
of the individuals that I that isn't
public and doesn't remember too much
much yet but one of them he spoke with
said that they weren't good people the
the group that came the group of the
people that showed up you know they
still gave us food but their intentions
weren't good you know and Jimmy already
knew this but at that point you know he
had made a deal and anytime he made a
deal just he normally Stu to it so him
and and a handful of others that I
remember some are public some aren't um
ended up going with with them um he
never he didn't Force anybody to go with
him he basically asked who to in
exchange for food so people didn't
starve the people that survived that
situation um they brought food off the
craft uh they had landed their craft
they brought food off the Craft um quite
a bit of food from what I remember and
then Jimmy and and a few others went on
board and then from that point I I had
pitch black like for memory wise I just
it went Pitch Black um I have fits in
pieces and I've I've learned what alter
like when I originally came out was
talking about certain things you know I
was able to P pinpoint that it was the
same alter my alter Jimmy and how what
what all they went through so like after
he had gotten taken um I think that they
ended up killing his clone and going
back because they knew who who I was and
went back in time picked me up you know
at a certain age which I don't think it
was a child because the age I was from
the memories I have uh the AL Jimmy was
the alter that was surfaced but he was
in uh an adult body at that point um I
remember from when they when they had
had him uh they had tortured him for
approximately 31 days and on the 32nd
day they started they figured out that
if they threatened to torture kids that
from just from the torture in general
from getting what he would say uh that
would be how they would break him to do
what they wanted because they basically
wanted him to work with them at some
point he realized in the very beginning
when they took him that the things they
wanted him to do he didn't want to do um
so I just I remember portions of the
torture um I remember that they removed
his they removed his hand at one point
put his hand back on they removed his
leg uh you know they started torturing
like they tortured an alien in front of
him which he didn't break under that he
just was like you know I'm sorry that
this is happening to you this is really
up you know and the alien like he
talked to him telepathically so it's
like he was able to telepathically
communicate with them um it got to the
point where like and they would
electrocute him uh with the cattle prod
and all sorts of different stuff
whatever they could because they were
trying to break him and from the
training he received at monok it wasn't
easy like they didn't it almost like
it's almost like they were about to give
up to the point until they figured out
that if they tortured a kid that he
would start you know know becoming more
subservient more obedient um I remember
that okay so was this some kind of a
rogue knocked off infection then not not
the proper High command that you would
you know recognize no no this was one
that was trying out new stuff when they
had gotten a hold of the people that
were at Monto they didn't quite know per
se what they were dealing with with
those altars specifically okay until
after they had gotten us and then
started realizing on different
potentials we had those specific alars
that were trained in the manner that
they were torture didn't really work on
any of us you know that that was that
just came from the way that they
programmed us as kids um because there's
a difference in the programming that not
often does when you're a kid versus the
way that camp hero handled it you know
for the Phoenix project it was totally a
a different situation um and especially
with the ones that had gone with me all
those were people that were there before
Jimmy had taken over that had grown up
with Jimmy so a lot of those individuals
that were taken had been tortured
brutally raped whatever we could do
because the way that they did it is if
you got caught you would never speak
about the process that you went through
the programming you were you know the
program you were in what the fact that
you were a Time Soldier you could
literally torture people to death and
they would keep their mouth shut and it
didn't matter what you did to them
waterboarding anything just wouldn't
work work yeah uh okay
so all right so this faction they didn't
know you said that didn't know what they
were dealing with that means they didn't
really associate with Camp hero before
they just answered your call basically
from what I from what I knew from the
way that the interactions from memories
I have they they knew that we could do
certain things but they didn't quite
understand and I don't know what the
other ones may have said like the other
individuals that went with him what they
might have said but when it came to
Jimmy he didn't really speak too much
and that's one thing that they didn't
like so Des despite you being with noen
before
supposedly they had to deal with with
Jimmy as a new person yeah he
was they had to handle him in from from
the beginning so their goal was to to
break him basically and make him work
for them
but uh if you had a deal with them what
did they offer you to do that you
refused and it led to this kind of long
torture that is the portion that I
haven't gotten recall of yet I just know
that at some point during the beginning
stages they asked him to do something
that he just did not want to do and I
don't know what it is I um but I do know
that later on um at the end of it when
they stopped torturing him uh which it
didn't really stop per se it just
stopped at that 32 that 32nd day Mark um
when they started torturing kids because
he basically said I'll do whatever you
want you know just don't torture this
kid you know and once it got to that
point and I've gone into details on
other interviews about it I just didn't
know it was Jimmy until it got until I
got you know about a year ago give or
take you know um but so far from what I
can guess
after he agreed he ended up they they
had a chair like they knew he was
capable of using the chair so I don't
know where they got that information
from but I know it wasn't from him um
when they put him in the chair like you
know he didn't they had gone through
torturing him quite a bit so he was kind
of disoriented and the chair did not
look like the chair that was at Camp
hero was more uh mainlined like more
main more up to date you know a new
aesthetic it looked totally different um
when he had laid back into it he you
know he ended up basically just going
straight to the location that they
wanted to go to so this was a borderers
ship everything happened that a boarded
some ship right okay yes it was it was a
board of ship um he normally worked out
of that for quite some time but I
remember like he ended up going on a
specific Mission he had asked what the
mission was and he got told you know
know what you need to do when you get
there basically from what I've gathered
it was you know gathering in and an
assassination of the person that was
there but they wanted it done in a
certain specific Manner and when he had
come back he had failed that that
mission um like when he went into the
body that he went into because he was
able to jump in the bodies because
that's one of the things that they
delved into when they took over Camp
hero um which is something that was
quite I don't know if it was new for
them
but you know it was something that that
is kind of so it was more
compartmentalized from what I remember
um after a while it was like that was
his main thing they would just keep
putting him in the chair and he would
keep jumping into certain people's
bodies taking them over and utilizing uh
to get different people and it was
always missions for intelligence
gathering and
assassination or threatening you know um
just anybody at point it was like
anybody that got too close to knowing
that KN wam was working on the planet or
if anybody you know that didn't need you
know that didn't need to know stuff or
anybody that was getting in the way of
what they were doing specifically for
quite some time and he started being
more disobedient and I that was the
alter that I remember the officer that
he was dealing with had threatened to
force him to drink black goo which
normally does not happen either and
knock blin normally you're offered that
and it's like a an honor thing like a
badge of honor for like you excelling
into certain areas
um but for him it was like they this
officer that he had was threatening to
do that to him and he knew what black
goo did um just from serving on the ship
and stuff like that that was one thing
he didn't want and I remember like
having memories of breaking out and that
dealt with a mission that he was on
because he didn't want to shoot this
this officer it was an ameran military
officer um I'm not sure which branch per
se I think it might have been Army but
I'm not 100% on that uh the uniforms
kind of look uh Army um he didn't want
to kill the guy and when the ship had
come down because this officer found out
about knockof and didn't understand it
was what their name was but knew that
they were they had Tech yeah and was
trying to figure out what what they were
doing um and that was one of the reasons
why we ended up having to take him out
and the point was just to kill him using
another
Soldier so that it would look like so
you took over took over his personality
there right so there there was so you
had these two Soldiers with him that was
with this this commanding
officer they had me jump into one of the
soldiers bodies like basically take over
their their body
um and using this this chair that we had
they had me take over his body act just
like him
and I remember we were flying on a plane
originally until they landed the plane
and we got off the plane to go to this
area where he thought he was going to
meet this group and when we had gotten
off the plane there was you know you had
another soldier that was there that was
just there as himself you had me that
was had taken over this Soldier and then
you had this commanding
officer that was there that was trying
to figure things out and then
you had my commanding officer at the
time which was part of knock wafin that
had landed to the craft a a transport
craft came off the craft which freaked
this guy out because he didn't
understand the level of technology that
they had what who they were um and
basically he had ordered me to kill you
know to kill them so I had I remember
shooting this soldier in the head the
one that was standing next like not next
to me but you know a little further away
from me a few feet away from me I shot
him first and then forced ordered the
other person to get on the ground which
freaked him out because he thought I was
just one of one of his own
soldiers um but it wasn't but it like
Jimmy was in another person's body and
this is something I've come to realize
and how that all worked you know so
that's the kind of stuff they were doing
so did they kill him in the end yeah uh
the officer that I served under uh ended
up executing him because I would not and
then threatened to to force me to drink
black goo so that he would be more
subserviant obedient I see yeah they
were mainly doing missions here on Earth
from what I remember um okay so that's
that's what I remember so far is that a
lot of the missions that they were doing
it was here on Earth to solidify control
of certain things whether it be finances
or silencing people stuff like that um I
know that Jimmy origin eventually after
all that had happened he got transferred
to a different area um I know that he
eventually got his own craft but it was
like a small craft with a small small
grouping of people and they were doing
other stuff in space um and then I know
that later on he had I know that other
people have remembered him being like a
commanding officer of a ship now in the
year now um so he's still active wow
yeah
a lot of my altars are still active in
the here and now it's
just you know I it's weird to explain
how that works but it's like they're
active in the here and now they haven't
died and come back there's certain ones
that have died and I have that you know
like they're still here I can talk to
them and stuff like that but like it's
like when when they like I said before
they transfer your Consciousness into a
clone and then you have fractures of
your Consciousness that go with it and
then they activate that Ultra
personality to come to the surface using
Code phrases y got it um this is an
interesting aspect there uh you said
that from what my alter Jimmy told me so
you actually talk to them as they were
as if they were different
people yeah they are they have different
uh some of them sound different um okay
they sound similar to me some of them
have deeper voices some don't um they
have different
personalities uh when I speak to them
it's and I was able to do this when I
was a kid and it freaked me out because
it happened after when I was around 12
you know yeah which I've talked about in
interviews but like I've recently not
that long ago been able to start doing
it and they've been conversating and
open with me about stuff and give
allowing me to see their memories and
allowing me to understand what's going
on and actually work alongside to piece
together what they went through they're
aware that you exist on Earth as this
separate person they can also
know they can have bleed throughs from
your life is what I'm saying right yeah
okay some of them will talk to me some
of them won't some of them don't even
want anything to do with me you know and
so you have to understand that some some
of these altars are just thinking
they're hearing boes in their head while
they're doing whatever they're doing
their life you know whether it be in
space or wherever they you know wow so
some of them might even think that Earth
was destroyed right okay yeah there a
lot of what a lot of people that served
in knwa and normally if they were at a
certain level were only told that Earth
was destroyed yeah do do you talk to
them in your head do you have to do you
have to like
establish a communication somehow before
you do it or is it always open always so
I can just yeah I can just talk it's not
hard at all um they can you know and
it's like they can use telepathy and
stuff like that or te like telepathy as
well uh they can use Telesis like they
can move around my pendulum you know and
there's a difference between my pendulum
moving normally and then just taking my
pendulum over okay you know
um like oh for for what just to kind of
uh yeah you know it's like announce
their presence no it's more or less like
if I don't want to just talk to them you
know uh originally it was I would use a
pendulum you know what I mean but then I
was able to just start talking to him
but you know it's like if I just don't
want to talk to him and I just want
quick answers you know I just use a
pendulum um instead of having a drawn
out conversation just a yes or no uh
they can also ask answer yes or no it's
just I I I vary it you know um I also
you know I can I I've also worn um you
know the head thing so that I can make
sure that it's not B2K stuff um just to
make sure that they're not v2k uh they
they talk with me whether I'm wearing it
or whether I'm not um they can talk to
other people I've had other people
answer the questions that I've
asked they've given them the answers um
okay I've also had them just jump into
other people and have full-blown
conversations with me wow sometimes
they'll show them imagery like images of
what they want them to see for what they
look like you know uh like my alter John
he'll show people an image of an old man
you know uh which he doesn't look like
in the programs
um with uh with other Alters they'll
just it just depends on who they're
dealing with okay
so that that goes to the abilities I
guess but you said is you know being
able to actually enter another person
and uh POS them I guess to do stuff
right that would probably be the closest
way you haded to find yeah wow so at cam
here you would do that regularly also I
guess that was your main
ability that was one of the abilities
that I had but yeah mainly my alter at
Camp hero was was pretty strong
telepathically plus the drugs that they
utilized for us at the time as well uh
helped helped us um it didn't really let
me rephrase didn't help us but that's
just what they were using to advance our
abilities yeah okay so what missions at
Camp hero do you remember that stand out
the most I remember going on that
mission where he had to basically be
sent um send in to infiltrate some
science place that he worked for uh and
there was several of those missions uh
there was one where I was by myself and
I think I talked about that previously
there was one that I went I was working
with someone else and this is after
Jimmy took over and they were trying to
do an infiltration to find out what kind
of Technology they had at this uh
specific location which uh Ark and I
both found um in the here and now in the
in the US
somewhere I think so yeah if I remember
correctly it's in the US yes okay uh he
he remembers the exact location probably
it's been a while since I talked to
about it so but I do remember like send
you know opening up a portal handing him
a pistol sending him through the portal
while standing there and monitoring him
executing different
scientists um there was a mission where
we dealt with time cops they were like
time police of some sort and they were
harassing us after Jimmy had taken over
um or actually no it was before Jimmy
had taken over but they were harassing
us trying to tell us that we had to stop
doing what we're doing and I remember
and there's another person that is
public now that remembers it but they
were one of the kids that was with us
because I we took a bunch of us and went
through a portal and basically just
killed them in that vicinity this time
place is where where are they
based they weren't on the planet they
were in their own time bubble but it was
some kind of Base that they were in like
um it was some some kind of building
uh I don't know where this building was
but it there was it was mainly human
looking people so I don't know if they
were just trying to become time police
or whatever they were doing but they
they weren't ready for us because we
just showed up in their in their base
and just started killing
them um people were using their psychic
abilities telekinesis opening up portals
jumping through portals attacking people
things like that okay did it take the
the whole base down
or uh basically we left people alive but
we mainly went in killed a a good chunk
of them that was in that vicinity at the
time just to give them an understanding
that they would no longer bother us or
we would come back and kill the rest of
them yeah I heard of the time core uh
that uh Randy Kramer was talking about
and he said that this I don't know which
faction that is could be the Navy What's
called the solar Warden I guess because
that's what he is uh associated with so
he said that this this time course
making sure that we are on the right
timeline so yeah and then and he said
that they are also fighting time Wars
and making sure the timelines are not
messed with so there are naval
operations yeah that are that are
running time stuff as well yeah yeah but
he I mean he is telling o only what he
assumes the audience is ready for I
guess because there are so many time
operations and so many groups that do
time work that he was talking about this
time core saying they it it's like they
were the only ones taking care of the
timeline and they were working with the
aliens and everything is you know do
going great basically and so you know
making sure that the Draco don't mess
with the timeline other groups don't
mess with the timeline and making sure
that the Earth stays on the positive
timeline that's what his take was but uh
yeah when you said time police I thought
of him in that story all right
yeah so I mean there was that instance
uh I remember doing stuff like that I
remember going on sending someone on a
mission this was after Jimmy had taken
over I remember sending someone on a
mission and they got captured um and
normally the the the regular process
before Jimmy had taken over uh was if
you got caught that was that we wouldn't
come and get you but the specific person
Jimmy had known and felt it was attached
to it was like his own kid so he ended
up you know getting a unit together and
they ended up it took him a bit you know
to come to terms with the fact that he
needed to do it and that the proc that
process had to be changed uh but they
ended up going to this jungle area it
was another jungle location uh and they
ended up killing every single person
that was in that area instead of the
specific situation that they were
supposed to do for the mission that they
were on specifically um they ended up
killing everybody getting her basically
getting that individual out of that
location and coming back to the base uh
I remember that mission I remember that
was here on Earth right yes I also
remember another mission that was here
on Earth uh that dealt with something
for the military as well another one for
the military basically because they
would still send us give us mission
statements to do they' give us F they
would send Jimmy a file he'd go over the
file sometimes he would do it sometimes
he wouldn't it just depended on on the
situation and they really hated that uh
one thing that they disliked After Jimmy
had taken over because he sometimes he
would just say no I'm not going to do
this um unless the AI stepped in and you
know the AI would be like no you're
gonna do this because it was part of the
deal that Jimmy made was it like was the
AI like a a stone or what was it a
substance what it again like again like
what I recall is it looked so it's like
when you go into a uh like a location
where they have a bunch of CP use like a
bunch of computer memory banks stuff
like that that's what it looked like but
it was like older it was like an older
version than the versions we have now
you know so like like an anci A version
for when the computers first came out oh
you know but it was like a little more
advanced but not too advanced I see if
that makes sense okay also it was like
so if the AI stepped in because he would
always he would always conversate with
the AI and stuff you know to see what
the probabilities of success would
all sorts of different things you know
um sometimes he'd be able to just be
like if the AI if it wouldn't involve
the safety of the AI furthering the
AI uh and its decision making
um he he would just be able to say no
and the military would get pissed and he
would just like whatever we're not GNA
Do It um did that happen a lot I don't
think so but I'm not sure I've never
really gone into that with him and
talked to him about it but normally
that's the circumstances that would take
place um I know that he gotten a lot of
for it though and there's other
people that slightly remember different
things about that
um so there was a mission that they
ended up going on they were in a uh it
was a separate jungle area somewhere
here and there was this uh there was
this other base and there was a a group
of people that had some kind of tech
that they were supposed to have we
showed up on the site you know decked
out and all black we opened a portal
went through the portal I went with
basically the best unit I had on the B
on on my base uh and I went there they
didn't know who we were but I met up
with whoever their unit the this guy
that was in charge of the unit that was
there there were soldiers that were
there they thought like this guy thought
he was able to have clearance to know
who we were uh when we showed up he knew
that someone was going to show up he
just didn't know who but they were told
to stand down and wait until we showed
up
but once we showed up you know other
people remember me telling telling the
person flat out you know when he was
like who are you and it was like that's
none of your business that's you know
you don't have clearance for that and
this guy was like I have what are you
talking about I I have that clearance
and it's like no you don't you know and
I just remember them shooting and one of
the people that we had you know had
pretty Advanced uh s abilities and he
was able to stop bullets from hitting
him and he went in and took out a
majority of them by himself um with
psionics yeah with his psionic abilities
in that was Matt Matt Tracy which was
George's alter his alter George did that
um I remember them being really scared
uh of him and they once they saw what we
were capable of just one of us that guy
got really scared and we just walked off
uh left him standing there with the rest
of the people that were like shocked
after we had done what we did and then
we ended up opening up a portal going
back to the base um so what was what was
the point to threaten him or did you
take take away a piece of te technology
that he wasn't supposed to have so there
was a piece of technology that the the
people that were on that specific base
not the one that we interacted with that
thought he had clearance there was a
group of people they were I guess kind
of like terrorists some sort of
terrorist group that had this Tech
that's basically what we were under the
impression of they had this Tech
whatever this Tech was I don't really
remember too well but we ended up
killing them all and taking this Tech
back uh like they well they they
basically went in got the tech and you
know dealt with that end we went in to
kill whoever was there so that they we
get them out of the way because they had
way too many people that were there
guarding that Tech that they had
M so those were like two separate runs
is what you're saying yes yeah so it was
like we showed up there was a group that
were bogged down there that were told to
stand down until we showed up to deal
with the group because they were
out and we showed up we took care of the
people that were there and the people
that were originally there that were
that we were that was on our side
technically uh were there to get a hold
of the tech and
retrieve
it okay so I think we have like
six five already uh episodes one is
released
already we have five episodes I think
that would be enough for
now uh is there anything else to talk
about from Camp hero you
think uh for the most part I mean
there's a bunch of different things I
didn't really go over but it was just
minor like not really phrase that it's
not minor stuff but there I have a lot
of shareds on different things that
happened at Camp hero you know um
there's more depth to it we just kind of
glossed over a lot of it just for time
purposes but you know it is it is what
it is on that end but it that's about
the gist of it is what the process of
that program is based around okay so
time
missions Espionage
assassinations trying to get control of
the technology and information you know
trying to shut down different groups and
different
people and stuff like that whatever any
any military and intelligence you know
agency would basically do right so you
were their tool to you manifest all that
that's basically what Jimmy was yeah um
right and it basically revolved mainly
around the AI that controlled that that
program specifically and it also
revolved around the military that wanted
to keep power I see okay then