project paperclip brought a lot of them
a lot of these scientists engineers to
the united states
do you think that what you went through
was perhaps a continuation of what they
were doing in germany
i think that they refined a lot of that
in germany
and then brought it here and started
practicing it on people here and they
were able to take the research further
but they did discover that that if you
induce a certain level of trauma into
someone
that what happens is your your mind
starts to
holographically and photographically
record during that moment of trauma or
that time of trauma
and so people can be programmed in
actual ways
in the past there were some areas you
did not want to talk about
are you prepared to talk about them now
being taken to the moon
and worked very hard for a week there
and
again more sexual abuse at night i was
not allowed to sleep hardly at all
during that week
how were you taken to the moon we were
put on a saucer-shaped craft
and we were told to lay on the floor we
were transported like
uh cargo laying on the floor
and taken up there again it wasn't a
very pleasant experience
if i got the chance to go to another
planet even the moon
it would if you would think it would be
a really wondrous experience
yes but under the circumstances it was
very unpleasant
now tell me more about the craft was it
a big craft who else was
with you it was a pretty big craft there
were two other
men with me that were told to lay on the
floor as well
and there were some people that got on
the craft to go there that actually
occupied some of the seats and there was
a reptilian
that seemed to be the pilot of the craft
the flight if you will was departing
from where
i believe it was departing from
somewhere
around area 51. and how long did it take
from earth to the moon not long there
was
uh kind of a feeling of gravity on the
floor like
intense gravity a precedent being
pressed into the floor for just a few
moments
and that was the only feeling that
acceleration that i felt at all
and i couldn't see out any window but it
seemed like
we got there it's within 20 to 30
minutes
and once you get there tell me more i
was given a suit of
uh clothes to wear that were very close
fitting
boots that kind of sealed everything up
so
i had some kind of suit but it wasn't
anything as big and clunky as the
spacesuits the astronauts wear
when i got there we were taken into
facilities and they tried to find work
for me to do that was electronic work in
nature
because i was a radar operator so they
wanted me to operate
equipment that there would be some
general similarity
electronics wise and then there was a
lot of manual labor you know haul
and carry and moving uh heavy stuff
around
where exactly do you think you were on
the moon was it underground and what
part of the moon
well we went into an above ground
facility but i think there there
definitely were things
below ground during the the night time
cycle
i was underground was it on the on our
side of the moon or or the far side of
the moon
it was on the far side were you ever
outside
of the moon or were you inside of some
kind of tube going from the
craft to the facility no um i do
remember being out on the surface
doing some kind of excavation work with
some extremely advanced equipment
that used electro electromagnetism i
don't remember too much about it
but i can at least tell you that much
again it was another frightening
experience
time wise when was this happening time
wise this would have been
uh 1980. gravity-wise what did you feel
it was lighter it was it was lighter
than here
do you have to wear the suit or was
there an atmosphere and oxygen on the
moon
there was an atmosphere inside the
enclosures
inside buildings but i did wear the suit
out when i was outside
did you see any other living creatures
outside when you were looking at the
surface for some reason i have the
impression
that there were some extraterrestrial
bases there as well
the word collusion that we are working
with the extraterrestrials
and was it a united state with some with
some
um were we working was it the united
states exclusively or did you see any
other countries
working with us again a general
impression is that there's a multi-uh
national
presence do you have any information
about us going to mars and having
similar operation in mars or other
planets in our solar system
i wouldn't doubt it i mean if they have
the ability to
get on a zero point energy craft and
travel to the moon and there's no reason
to think why they couldn't travel to
mars as well
or have facilities there and there are
other people that have come forward and
said that there have been
facilities and bases on mars both above
and below ground
for quite some time