so alex you know it dawned on me
that uh 14 years ago it's 14 years ago
easter weekend 1995 that we last
got together and did an interview of any
kind so
there's no idea it was this the same
weekend yeah easter weekend
wow 14 years later an interesting
coincidence
yeah it is well it's a pleasure sorry it
took 14 years to do it again
uh i'm glad we're getting the chance
today
hey uh so you know in the last
few years there's been an awful lot
going on in the united states and i
think a lot of people have
changed their view of what the united
states is really all about i think
they've
come to realize that some of the things
that we've been doing that we've allowed
our government officials to do
haven't really been in our best
interests
tell tell me about your perception about
the direction the united states is
headed
well
you know the country is always a
reflection of its people
and it is my opinion that yes we have
a governmental bureaucracy
that claims to love america but clearly
by its actions and the laws
and the way it's beginning to attack the
citizenry it
hates americans
but really who's to blame for that i
mean it's very easy to blame the
government
but the government essentially is just
our
our voted representatives
i mean there is a bureaucracy around
that government
um that manages and does the day-to-day
grunt work
but essentially you know it's it's the
congress and the senate
and the executive branch who we vote for
who we've put into office
now i've said this what back in the
early 90s
92 93 94 i was saying
a lot of this was coming
and and you know really who do we have
to blame and and quite frankly rick we
have ourselves to blame
it's the citizens fault we abdicated
management of the government
to a group of politicians uh
who are allowed to take uh
campaign contributions from private
industry from corporations
from the millennium military industrial
complex
to do their bidding
um we got on with our lives i guess
mistakenly trusting that our
representatives when they took the oath
of office
actually meant it obviously they didn't
because now what we have is a horrible
situation we have a government
that isn't in any way shape or form
a representative of the constitution or
even the bill of rights
in fact those two documents barely exist
at all
um the government isn't acting like they
exist
and they're going to continue to do what
they want to do or what their bidding is
um what they're being told to do so let
me put it to you that way what they're
being told to do
so you know it's the people
we we screwed up we didn't manage the
government
we didn't pay attention to what they
were doing
as long as as long as there was food on
the shelves as long as gas was cheap as
long as everybody was working nobody
cared
ah but guess what realities hit home now
now we have a government spending our
dollar into uh
absolute oblivion um
we also have um
a devaluation of the dollar
you know the chickens are coming home to
roost and now everybody's beginning to
wake up and saying oh my god what the
hell have these guys
been doing and uh you know now we know
you know it's it's out there and it's at
a point where they're not even bothering
to hide it anymore
so you know what the question really
comes down to is is this
america is changing dramatically and
it's changing very very fast
and it really comes down to a very
simple premise in my perspective
do you want freedom and liberty or do
you want socialism
now there are some dramatic differences
between the two one requires
self-responsibility and self-government
the other is you become a natural
resource of the state
and they will tell you what to do when
to do it and how to do it
and if for any reason at any time they
decide they no longer need you
as henry kissinger so happily put it
then we've all become useless eaters
so this is where it's at um
there is no really middle road as i see
it
i think everybody waiting for one man to
do something
for example president obama to change
the company to change the government to
change the world
is ridiculous he is just one guy and
you know the governments of the world
are not run
um by offices they're run by
corporations
they're run by corporations and those
corporations are run by a program
and that program uh essentially has
control of everything it controls the
money
it controls the technology it controls
the governments it controls the media
and some of the personages within that
program are not us
they're extraterrestrial and i know
many people will say oh that can't be
never happened well
it doesn't matter at this point what
they think
what is is what is and uh that's where
we are and now it's all coming to the
forefront
and uh the next couple years are going
to be just
the most interesting um
and the most full of growth
opportunities for people
um dark night of the souls for many
people
and an opportunity to not only change
the way we live
but also the way to change our
perspectives on how we want to live
and you know really think about what
really is important
you know is it the money is it the
dollar is it the big car is it the
million dollar home
it isn't any of that it's our family and
it's our friends
we don't need all this crap we just
don't
um you know what's important is who we
are
where are we going with ourselves uh
have have
has have have have people looked inside
themselves and said
you know i do all this work i support
all these other things and all these
other people
am i actually fulfilling what i want to
do am i
in fact following my passion and am i
truly happy with
my effort and what i've done you know
have i made any difference whatsoever
and what's going on here in the world
now if
you can be a a clerk in a 7-eleven and
say yeah
this is my life's fulfillment bully for
you
great but i know that in actuality
that's far and few in between
um people really need to start
evaluating and get extremely creative
and figure out
what is it that they can do to fulfill
themselves to fulfill their dreams to at
least
know what those dreams are and start
going after it
um you know folks it isn't about the
extraterrestrials though
that's important because it'll give us a
different perspective of who we are
ultimately when you come right down to
it the question that has to be asked is
who am i what is it that i want
what is it that i'm creating what is it
that i want to create
you know how much am i actually valued
um by myself my family
am i loved am i respected
am i doing am i following my heart's
desire
am i spiritually evolving or am i just
on this automatic treadmill
that the media and the earth's religions
have put us on
you know you feel good on sunday but by
wednesday it's just like
it's all worn off and that's because
it's not genuine
um it's not genuine depth it's not
genuine happiness
okay it's instant salvation and that
doesn't work
you know and it's not that anybody
actually needs salvation
they just need to love themselves and in
finding that
and then truly embracing that love that
passion for themselves
and honoring themselves
you'd be amazed at how much crap
that's in your life will just fall away
because you know what isn't real will
just fall away
when you're when you're actually on your
path you know and i can't tell people
what their path is i'm
i'm still working on my path um
but it's all about self-responsibility
and and that isn't going to change
that's where the real growth that's
where the real evolution comes from
in america we had that opportunity and
we did it for some time
but for the last 50 years
oh god it's just gone downhill
i mean we've had this incredible
opportunity to change the world
you know and now the world's very upset
with us
and uh well let's take a look at that
for a second
okay alex you've mentioned that uh
eisenhower lost control of the us
government and that it
really has never been regained by the us
people
and i think we all want to know how did
that happen
well that's not exactly what i said he
didn't lose control of the government
but he lost control of the technology um
apparently you know and this
information's out there brigadier
general love lovekin
said in the disclosure project
testimony now that's
disclosureproject.org
which i recommend to everybody you know
he mentioned that
the technology was being reversed
engineered but it went black
and it went black very very quickly and
it was really literally a matter of
weeks
that he lost control of where the
technology was because it went black
and a lot of that had to do with
deniability
for not only the executive branch but
the government as a whole
now who's actually managing this
and this is where i think a lot of
people are confused a lot of people
think that the government has this
technology
the government doesn't have this
technology we paid for it
but programs have this technology a lot
of this technology was reverse
engineered by
programs created by
um contractors
government contractors who have this
technology
and then a program was built above all
of this
probably with the help of the nsa
because to this day nobody's ever read
their charter
so we don't know exactly what they're
mandated to do other than
snoop on everybody okay
that's where this technology is it isn't
that the government has it it isn't that
um
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obama can get his hands on and say okay
i'm taking it and i'm giving it to the
people
it isn't like that at all if you
remember jimmy carter tried to find out
about extraterrestrials and it was
george bush senior who was then director
of the cia told them
sorry mr president your classification
your clearance isn't high enough
this is documented so he couldn't find
out anything
bill clinton did exactly the same thing
he tried to find out
but he was given limited information
because he didn't have the clearance
well who can give the president
clearance for this
right who authorizes clearance to the
president to know about the stuff
well if he doesn't know about it then
who does who's managing the information
if the president of the united states
doesn't have access to it
clearly there's your secret government
those who are managing these programs
because they have this technology that's
thousands of years in advance of what
we're using commercially
we have no access to it our elected
officials have no access to it
the government has no access to it okay
but these programs exist
nonetheless and we are paying for
this okay the taxpayers but we're not
driving any of the benefit of it
that is your secret government
everything else is smoke and mirrors
okay what's coming down the pipe now is
the fact that they have this technology
and they're basically making choices
they're deciding what kind of society
what kind of world we're going to live
in who stays who goes
um what areas go through war what areas
stay in peace
which natural resources are going to be
taken over
all of this is being managed by the
program
and let's take a jump back to john f
kennedy
this is not something i've ever said
publicly but if you recall one of the
things that john kennedy did
one of the first acts he did was to
abolish
the special operations coordinating
group within the national security
council
the reason for that i believe or i
should say i have been told
is that eisenhower told him that that is
the issue that is the area where he lost
control
so john kennedy disbanded it what's
interesting is after he was assassinated
johnson reinstalled that group
now who is this group who is the special
group
nobody knows nobody really knows who
they are
administrations come and go but rumor
has it they stay
they stay and they manage all the data
all the information
everything um
for example also during kennedy's
administration
he signed an executive order in june uh
one one one one zero i believe it was
executive order
authorizing the united states treasury
to print interest-free money
started with fives and tens that
executive order
in fact is still on the federal register
and it has never been repealed
but we don't do anything about it the
government doesn't do anything about it
the treasury
isn't doing anything about it who is
doing it the federal reserve
and the reason you won't ever find the
federal reserve being audited
or they won't allow you to audit it is
because they have created trillions of
dollars
to fund the secret space program that
mckenna
this kid over in england found out about
that's the deal
that's the reality of the situation you
know and you can go
pound your head on a wall you can do
whatever but that's it
that is where our secret government is
it is there it is real and it's managing
everything at this point
and they really don't give a damn what
the people think they really don't
they have their own agenda um and
they're doing their own thing
we don't need the space shuttle we
haven't needed it forever
there are many people out there talking
about special spacecraft tr
tr tango romeo 3 bravos tango romeo 3
alphas etc etc these are all very real
spacecraft
they in fact do exist and they do have
some
solar system travel we are so far along
it's amazing and in one sense
we can be proud of that but the in the
other sense
where is the technology why isn't why is
it that we are still
being strangled by oil companies it's
ridiculous
because they they fear an economic
collapse well we've printed the dollar
into oblivion the economic collapse is
coming
anyway so why don't we just release the
free energy
and the technology that they have you
know to power homes to power cities
let's just do it because they're
destroying the economy of the government
of the country anyway by printing the
dollar into oblivion
and that is going to happen you know you
just can't
you can't fix debt by creating more debt
whoever heard of that and if you look at
the history of economics there's not a
single fiat currency
that has lasted more than 64 years ours
is the only exception
but here we are you know here we are we
are about to hit the wall
anytime within the next 18 months
so again it comes back to the american
people
ladies and gentlemen what do you want
what kind of a country do you want
half of you don't even vote you don't
even register to vote
so literally you folks have taken
yourself out of the game
completely your attitude is it doesn't
count it doesn't matter
well you know what you're right it
doesn't matter because enough of you
aren't participating to make the change
um
we have still the ability to make a
dramatic change in this country and to
change the direction
we can go to our state governments and
say okay
you need to withdraw your support for
the federal government you need to hold
them accountable to the 10th amendment
you have to remember that it was the
states that created the federal
government
not the other way around okay
that's what has to happen we have to
remind them who's in charge here
the citizens created the state the
states created the government
okay it was a government of the people
by the people for the people
not for the government not for private
industry not for the military industrial
complex that was not
it that is nowhere in the constitution
or the bill of rights or the declaration
of independence
none of that is in there okay it was
about us
and if we don't reclaim it back we are
going to lose the country
we we've we're virtually there in many
intents and purposes
we have absolutely lost portions of our
country
uh you know who knows but what's really
going on
it's it's an absolute travesty but
instead of turning on each other
what we need to be doing is we need to
unite we need to come together with a
very common focus purpose
not rioting not killing none of that has
to happen at all
it's a question of just restating the
uh to our state governments we want
change
we want you to reign in this government
and whatever it takes to do that you do
it
and you know if all the 50 states got
together we could make this thing change
right away
but that's what happens remember the
people created the state
and it was the states that created the
federal government it is not the other
way around
i want to know what involvement
et's played in eisenhower
uh losing control of the military
industrial complex
i don't know that they had any i don't
know that they had any control at all
um or they intervened in any way
they wouldn't necessarily have to um
you have to understand that this was
something if if you look at at the times
where we lived
uh you know we had just finished world
war ii we had
the korean war had just ended and uh
you know there was all this hype about
the soviets the soviets the soviets
so you had all these secrets uh all this
clandestine activity going on and now
you know here you have several crashes
of
roswell socorro um
probably some others uh that have
occurred
and you know here we have all this
technology there had been the 54 meeting
um at what is now called edwards so
there were a lot of things going on
uh you know i don't know
what all the actual mechanics were for
how it just went black
but it went black and
probably whatever mechanism was in place
that could classify these projects or
whatever
group let's hypothetically say special
operations
coordinating group within the national
security council
all right let's say that they had the
authority to classify
these projects these programs
well they classified it above and beyond
anything that the president could ever
reach
right then and there he would lose it
you know um and
that's how it works is it is it a a good
system
no i don't think so i don't think so
uh are there some things that maybe we
should have been told about it
absolutely yes are there some things
that maybe we shouldn't have been told
i'm absolutely open to the idea that
there were
especially from what i've learned from
the a's that there are some things maybe
people weren't ready for then
i think we're probably ready now for a
lot more information
but now they don't want to give us any
information i mean now we're getting
more information
outside the united states about what's
going on than anywhere else even other
governments are very very open
and here here we are the center of this
entire thing and we're like
being led down this dark hallway or how
did leonard stringfield put it
a hall of mirrors with a floor of
quicksand that's exactly what it's like
that's a perfect analogy
for for this fiasco that's going on you
know here we have reverse engineered
this technology
here the american people have paid for
it and we know
less than anybody else about what's
actually going on with it
it's it's it's just you know it has
this isn't going to serve anybody
you know and if you're in a in a poker
game and you don't know who the patsy is
it's probably you and that's exactly
what's happening here
we're in a poker game and we're the
patsy you know
and that's what i know about it
now earlier you mentioned the program
is that something that elected officials
created or is that something
way above the elected officials above
the uh entrenched uh military officials
what is the program it's it's kind of
vague just
calling something to program be as
specific as you can to explain
what you mean by the program well it
doesn't operate like a government
it operates like like an agenda
now exactly what that agenda is
i can't honestly say but let's just take
a look at
where we're at we know this technology
exists
we have people coming forward uh again
i'll make reference to the disclosure
project another
a civilian as well as military people
coming forward uh even even other
extraterrestrial groups
who have been making contact with uh
citizens of earth
in other countries uh have been given
information
regarding the fact that there has been
the reverse engineer
of technology the germans were doing it
the nazi germans were doing it
the russians have been doing it the
united states government has been doing
it
but we don't hear anything about it okay
it's just it's a program
and this program is essentially above
civilian everyday life
you have corso's book you have the work
of wendell's team colonel wendell
stevens
and all of the research that he's done
regarding this and many many other
authors
that are trying you know every day to
put out more and more information
and and just you know banging on the
door pounding the walls
to try to get people to understand
what's been going on here
you know they deserve a wealth of credit
for
for their tenacity and and for
continuing
to do this work and to get it out like
yourself as a researcher
putting this information out usually out
of your own pocket
so many people have made so many
sacrifices uh they've lost relationships
they've
marriages have ended because of this
this this focus on trying to bring
humanity up to speed on what's going on
with the program um
so when we talk about the program uh
the program is so far removed
from everyday life on earth
that most people wouldn't even think it
would exist it could also be that that
the program
really doesn't know anything about how
we're existing at this point because
they're so removed
from everyday life they're uh tucked
away in very secret places
they're in underground facilities
they're they're tucked away inside
mountains
um they don't intercourse or have
intercourse or
exchange with everyday citizens in a
very normal way anymore
they're secluded they're sequestered
they hang out amongst themselves
they're detached from everyday humanity
so it's it's almost like you have two
complete different realities here
operating within the same space which in
fact is
is true so you know what is the program
i can't honestly tell you rick what the
agenda of the program is
um but there's evidence that the program
does in fact
do things that not only protect america
but have also intervened for an example
uh several weeks ago there was an
incident along the east coast
where many people along the east coast
the eastern seaboard saw a
green flash of material flying through
the sky
and landing in the ocean the back
side on that is that a cargo ship
somewhere in the atlantic launched the
missile to take out norfolk virginia
and that it was a tr-3b that took out
the missile
if that's true and i give that a very
high probability
then i'm okay with that i'm really okay
with that
but if you have technology that's
sophisticated
why are we spending billions of dollars
on all this stuff that we don't need
why don't we put that money back into
helping small businesses
and build the economy why are we taking
that money to pay off mortgages
okay we have what 17 18 million homes
that are empty now
in this country why aren't we doing
something to put homeless people in them
i mean you know there's a million things
to do i mean here we give these we give
wall street
what 10 trillion dollars and less than 2
percent of that is actually being loaned
back to the citizenry enough of that
uh uh that is that isn't gonna work
that's not gonna work and that's not
what this is supposed to be about anyway
okay this is the government of the
people by the people for the people
not for the bankers about the bankers
and only for the bankers
no that's not what this is about and it
never should be about that
okay um
there has to be a paradigm shift here
but it's got to come from the people
all right instead of whining and
complaining
take it back take back control if you
don't like what the government's doing
then you you get involved you vote you
register to vote
you do whatever you have to do if you
can't make a change in washington and
you make a change in the local
government
we have to do something all right
because we're out of time
we're literally out of time and the
program needs to somehow be brought back
into reality and i don't know the
mechanisms i don't know how we're going
to bridge that
all right but someone knows someone
who's involved
knows how to bridge those realities back
in two hours
how to take this technology a thousand
years advanced
and bring it into the world today to not
only help the environment
to make us all free who the hell wants
to live as a slave
nobody does no one does in the world
every citizen wants freedom every
citizen wants their children to grow up
free
you know my children your children the
people listening to their children at
this point
their children will never know the civil
liberties we know
that's a tragedy that's a tragedy
and it doesn't matter who dropped the
ball or where we dropped the ball
fact of the matter is the ball has been
dropped
and that we have to do right now we have
to take it back
okay so the program i don't exactly know
how to answer that
i've given you the best information that
i have
it's complicated it is just so
complicated
you know let me ask you
within the last year you've spoken again
with the andromedans after
five or six years of
deciding that you didn't want to be
involved for a while that you needed to
focus on your
own life and you had other issues that
that that kept you from wanting to
be involved and be the public
spokesperson and and
and the messenger for the andromedans
but in the last year you've been able to
speak again with them have they had any
input for you that's helped you
understand how we might find our way out
of this
well the contact that occurred was
really
about re-engaging it was about getting
to know it was about creating a bridge
again um it's important to understand
that um
i chose i chose to take the break
and there were a lot of things going on
in my life but i
also it became very difficult to walk
the two worlds
number one but number two i had to do
some searching
i had i had some maturing and some
spiritual growth to go through
i had my own dark night of the soul for
the lack of a better word
all right and i needed to go through
those things in order to get to a place
where i could create a new life for
myself a better life for myself
be more secure with who i am and what my
place is in the world
and it was important for me to refocus
on my family
that always has to be my priority and it
is my priority
the information that they've given us in
the past
they've pretty much spelled it out it's
about taking responsibility
it's about advanced maturity um
it's about taking time to get really
quiet
for one to hear their own frequency and
to just
engage with themselves connect to their
soul
you know it's about it's about not
seeing yourself as a
physicality but it's about seeing
yourself as a physicality
as a spiritual soul as a totality
not just flesh and blood you know we're
not some mistake
we're not some pool of chemicals that
magically turned into this
that's not it at all there is a grander
scheme here
there is a a definite define a divine
purpose
for everyone that's here here in other
worlds but it's
up to us individually to want to know
what that is
to search that out and and and that's
what it is and you know what you can't
ignore it
because it's all the systems that we've
created
on ego that aren't real they're all
going to collapse
because they're not going to survive
because they're not real
what is real okay
when you talk about creating a reality
that
is sustainable is it about the natural
resources
you know what if the military industrial
complex
if the governments of the world were
truly honest
we could change things within a year we
wouldn't be taking any more natural
resources from the earth
we have enough already it isn't about
the population
it's about the fact that they can't
control everybody they're just spinning
it
that's all it is they're just spinning
it because they're incompetent
because they're not capable of doing it
because this is not the agenda
this is not what it's about earth was
not meant to be a prison
and we were not meant to be slaves on
our own home that isn't going to work
okay but but at the same time we have to
step up as people
as fathers as brothers as sisters
as husbands as wives we have to step up
as citizens
we have to step up and take
responsibility and we have to be really
clear
about what our priorities are you know
and about what's right
you know um
i have a great respect for anybody who's
in the armed armed forces
but it's important to note even to
especially to the young people
when you became the soldier you did not
surrender the citizen
you are still a citizen and when you do
you finish your tour
and you get out of the service guess
what you're a citizen again
so whatever rights you took away from
people guess what
when you become a citizen you've lost
those rights too
okay it's important to remember that
what are you doing when you take an
order
is it good is it the right thing to do
because it will come back to haunt you
you know
and and you know we can't turn on each
other that is not what this is about
this is about standing tall and standing
together
and making sure that we move with a
common purpose it's not about creating a
civil war
we don't need any of that okay people
will want to do that because they're so
angry
they want to just lash out and furious
and anger
take that constructive energy take that
anger
and do something really positive with it
you don't have to destroy
that's only going to create more
polarity and make things a hundred times
worse
and it only takes the healing that much
longer
we're out of time we've got massive
changes coming
on a consciousness and in a physical
level to the earth and to ourselves
we've got to stop we've got to stop
playing this game
we just have to stop playing this game
it's crazy it's crazy making
i need a break how will the
movement of our solar system through the
galactic plane
affect our solar system and earth and
and us here on earth
well i wasn't alive the last time that
actually happened but here's from here's
what i've been told
one of the biggest concerns is that it
has a very very strong
uh gravitational field
um it also has a magnetic field it's
also an area
because of its magnetic field where
there's a considerable amount
of debris and as
our solar as our solar system and
everything in the galaxy
revolves around it okay
while we're also going around in the
circle it is not a
actual complete elliptical uh circle
we move in a downward and an upward
thrust
which takes approximately from what i
understand
uh 12 12 600 years
where things go up and then they come
back down it is the crossing the
galactic plane
uh that the a's more named uh
and visayas were specifically really
worried about earth
in the fact that it was their opinion
based on their own science that when the
earth hits the galactic plane
the earth itself would bounce off that
gravitational field
causing um a great deal of
uh earth changes where every coastline
on the earth on the planet would be
changed
from the bouncing before we were able to
move through
that's my understanding i don't know if
it's going to cause a physical pole
shift or not
that is always a possibility we do know
from the geological record that that's
happened
i don't know that that's going to occur
this time however they were greatly
concerned again
and i want to reiterate this that every
coastline on the planet would be changed
so take that for what it's worth
now you've said that there are an
enormous amount of benevolent et's
helping us
what are the primary actions they're
taking to help earth humanity
and will their actions be enough
um i can't say that i know specifically
and exactly what
every intervention has been um i do know
that there have been
and will it be enough i don't know rick
i i would assume that they're making an
investment here
of their time and their energy to help
us
get through these dramatic stages to get
through these
these challenges these moments of growth
that we obviously have to go through
because here they are right in front of
us
so we can just help and have
faith uh for people who are afraid that
they won't survive during
any earth changes what spiritual or
philosophical view have the andromedan
shared with you
that you think may help people to
overcome their fears
if you go to defending sacred ground
there's a
a lot of knowledge that they've imparted
one of the essays in regards to fear is
one
um the other essay
the is-ness worshiping the is-ness
a relationship to the is-ness there's an
awful lot of wisdom that they haven't
parted but
you know they've always caught this time
coming the moment of advanced maturity
so
don't necessarily know how to answer
that question i know that i'm not going
to be living on the coastline
you know i'm going to be moving to the
rocky mountains
to areas uh all areas along the colorado
plateau
that's where i'm going to be at least
here in north america
so everybody you know people have to
listen to themselves they have to get
their own guidance
you know this isn't about you know
saviors this is about everybody becoming
their own christed being
and figuring it out and listening and
tuning in and figuring out you know what
they're supposed to do where they're
supposed to be
you know that's that's that's the
purpose of of maturity
is to get to that place you know for
example rick we can go back
to what to the question that i asked
many many years ago what was going to
happen to us
you know and their response was to
become totally self-confident and free
to unconditionally be responsible for
oneself
without being coerced to accept some
higher authority
and that's it that's the essence of
advanced maturity
is getting to that place
and just knowing just knowing
you know and and i'm not here to teach
people that
you know that that's i never would have
signed up for that
you know not not the way you know the
earth
uh civilization has treated its
you know those kind of teachers they've
been ruthless with them
i never would have volunteered for
something like that in terms of uh
survival though
we talked a little last evening about it
and you said survival is a false premise
what did you mean by that
in a spiritual science in a spiritual
sense what the physicality is
is just a moment you know you're here
the only reason you experience
physicality is
is to learn lessons uh to gather
knowledge um to experience
all kinds of things from spiritual
emotional
mental physical to gather data
to educate your soul
you know i know a lot of people have a
very difficult time with the concept of
reincarnation
but i have absolutely no doubt that that
is the way that it is
you know that we don't die um when our
physical body
stops working you know we move on we go
somewhere else
and many of us come back and we live
again and we learn different lessons and
create different scenarios to to provide
us with
the lessons of knowledge that we want
in order to educate our soul this isn't
new knowledge i mean people long before
for thousands of years have been talking
about this and the reason i believe that
those kind of teachings have persisted
is because they're right
and it doesn't make sense to me it would
never make sense to me
if i were the creator of all to give
people souls one lifetime
70 some odd years on this planet
to figure it all out to get it right
it'd be impossible
you know it would absolutely be
impossible to do
you know especially when it's as screwed
up and twisted as it is
you know so to kill in order to survive
doesn't make sense in terms of no it
doesn't make sense because
you know the the hope the whole idea of
advanced maturity
moving into spiritual advanced maturity
is to
learn how to create love because that's
the ultimate lesson here
is you create love you leave a legacy of
love
nothing else is real it just doesn't
stick
it doesn't i mean it seems real because
you have so much emotion tied to it
but it isn't real it it doesn't last
the effects of it don't really last
um it's a difficult thing to explain and
i wasn't actually prepared for the
question
that's all right so you slip that in
there
so but that's that's about all i can say
on it at the moment
alex what did you mean when you talk
about our human dna
unlocking my understanding
from the a's is that certain
uh cosmic events were going to occur
and or could be manipulated
by benevolent extraterrestrials where
they apparently have
some technology that would allow
cellular memory to release within our
body
and somehow that would create a reaction
of total physical remembrance
not a not only for the body but also for
the mind and for the soul
now you see when the spirit when the
soul attaches itself to the body
before birth it attaches to the central
nervous system
all right now that is where apparently
we have well that's that's the soul's
connection to the body that's
where it connects
we have all kinds of cellular memory
within our body
uh our dna it passes from generation to
generation to generation to generation
now our subconscious mind
knows a lot of this but our conscious
mind doesn't
and then there's a lot that's in there
that neither can recognize
so basically it's dismissed but the body
has memory
the the cells have memory which they
call cellular memory
and apparently the body knows how to
heal itself can heal itself
it can create physical changes on its
own
if it's just allowed to or given a
command to do so
and my understanding is that we are
coming to that point
where things like that are going to
begin to happen we already know that
there are children being born
in the world today that have three
strands of dna
some even more
has there been tampering has there been
intervention in some cases i would have
to say probably yes
but in other cases i would say no it's
the body beginning to
overcome all of its limitations
for because of a desire to continue
to thrive the body will make adjustments
which is why
so many different races are so
interested in us
because our bodies are incredibly
adaptable to
environments and changes regardless of
the fact that we've been manipulated
we we are we're very strong you know
and our our desire to continue
to to live is very very strong and
that's not simply just
will you know that that's also the body
wanting to continue um
so that's what i have to say about that
all right alex i got a
tough question for you how do you answer
skeptics
who cite a number of predictions that
you've made in the past about future
events
that have failed to come to pass when
you suggested they would
well first rick i'm glad a lot of them
didn't happen
quite frankly i think we would be in a
in a
very different world than we are today
number two
many of those uh possible events when
they were presented to me were presented
as possibilities
or a very strong probability in my
immaturity
when lecturing and putting this
information out in the 90s
you know i was having
i was running a lot of fear um i was
being harassed by governmental agencies
i was being followed my
phones were tapped there were a lot of
things going on i was losing jobs left
and right
because i was putting out this type of
information
there were a lot of things going on in
my life at the time
you know i could only i'm the only one
who could take responsibility for that
if if i had to do one thing over i would
have taken
those possibilities and i would have
presented them more
or try to present them more in a
possible in a positive light and say
this is a possibility this is a
probability that they said could occur
here and here and here
now i know several of the events did not
occur
because of intervention i know that
and intervention is still occurring
okay and i'm thrilled that they didn't
happen
for the others i don't know i don't know
if it was consciousness i don't know if
uh people being aware
of the possibility of the events and
they prayed they saw a different outcome
i simply don't have that answer i i
don't know
um but of course it's something that you
have to look at
and um it's the criticism is justifiable
you know is there one example you can
give me of uh
where an intervention occurred that
changed one of those events
that you nuclear nuclear weapons
detonation
there's been lots of intervention that
has occurred and i can tell you
as of four weeks ago there was still
intervention going on in that regard
and that's a fact thank god for it
now is it wise for anyone to try to
predict
future events would you do it again or
would you advise
anybody else who's in contact with et's
to
to predict future events or is that
something that you consider
unwise at this point
you know i'm still growing i'm still
learning i'm still
maturing i hope um
as far as wise what it tells us is that
the future is never set
which means to me we can create
anything that we want as long as we all
or a majority of us have a very focused
intent
that's what that tells me and i'm
extremely encouraged by that
if we can get enough people together to
decide
on what kind of a future what kind of a
life and plan we want i mean this is
clearly you know the law of attraction
at work here
uh the future's not set it could also be
that maybe we
these things coming up in 2012 with the
bouncing off the galactic plane
maybe if enough of us get really focused
and we surround the earth with enough
enough love and energy that nothing will
happen
you know i don't have those answers
i just don't i i'm you know
everybody thinks god you've you know
you've been talking extraterrestrials
for 35 38 years
you know you've got all this knowledge
that's true but but you know i have just
as many questions as well
you know some of the conversations we've
had have been extremely one-sided where
i'm shared information
and i'm not able to ask enough questions
so you're just human
yes more so than ever
more so than ever there's a
episode in george washington's life that
has a lot of meaning to you
uh the third trial of george washington
his vision at valley forge
why is that so important to you
well when i was a little boy
i always had a thing for george
washington my dad
took us to mount vernon and i just
loved it and i can remember sitting in
his backyard
looking down the potomac
and and you know you just know you've
been where some been there before
you know i'd been there before and i was
extremely moved by that
um and it's just it's just it's hard to
put into words
well when the when i started talking to
the a's
uh mourinho says were very adamant about
me
studying that and looking up that
prophecy
and uh i've i've asked and they just
said well it could be very very
important
in america's future especially the
direction that it's moving now
that this this could be a probability
so i studied it because they know um
that i have a passion for uh the
founding of the united states
and the principle especially the
principles for which it was founded on
a constitutional republic a bill of
rights
because those documents in
america literally created a new domain
of knowing
that wasn't here in the world before
before it was always aristocrats and
monarchies
that ruled the world and governments and
america changed that now forever so
i saw that you know and i recognized
that as a little boy
as an amazing turning point and the more
i learned from the ace the more i
realized
how important that actually was for
humanity
to actually have the opportunity of
self-government
unfortunately
there's been a tremendous amount of
negative intervention
and they know us probably better than we
know ourselves and they've been able to
lull us back into sleep
lull us back into consumerism um
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into forgetfulness by dumbing down
everybody through our school systems
you know and now they don't even really
teach any of that
so uh it was they felt very
importantly to let me know about that
and if you look at the third trial it's
it's a remarkable event
i certainly hope it doesn't happen i
don't want it to happen
but i just shared that with you because
i thought it was important that
you know that they would not only come
this way but they they would be adamant
that
i researched that and and i look into it
so that's why i shared it with you i
mean it was something that was shared i
think in 1834 or 1838
and uh you know talked about the
founding of the united states talked
about the civil war
and then the third trial and what's
interesting is you know these are events
that
that have occurred that did occur after
that
it also you know if you look at the
third trial it's very close to where the
world is today
and what is the essence of that third
trial that essentially the world becomes
polarized against the united states
and comes after the united states
and if you look at the actions
of our government and our banking system
today you can absolutely see some
parallels
and the fact that you know our
government is gearing up for a third
world war
uh that you know there are people in
in the administration presently who
really would love to
isolate russia in world politics
using the rest of the world especially
pinning
china against russia and
you know in the obama administration you
know there's there's a lot there
it wouldn't take much for something like
this to occur
it's it's worth noting if nothing else
for americans is there anything in your
mind that we can do to help
for americans i mean we have to practice
self-government
i mean if i would say anything i would
say go to the library
go online and the first thing you should
do is read
out loud the declaration of independence
tell me if that doesn't make sense today
as it did then you know just replace
king george
with the federal reserve tell me if it
doesn't make any sense
you know start there remember who you
are
they know that's the birth certificate
the declaration of independence
it's all about remembering who you are
and then getting fired up and saying you
know what yeah
we've got to do something because our
generation
we cannot drop the ball we cannot
saddle our children and our
grandchildren
with a horrible socialism that
infallibly will move into fascism
corporate fascism we just simply can't
do that it is unconscionable for us
to just do nothing we have to do
something
because future generations will be livid
with us
if we don't do something you know and
and this is our time to to basically set
things right
um you know and again i want to stress
this isn't really so much about the
government
as it is the program and the program is
running over the entire world
it's just right now in order to set up a
global world government
word of the target we are america is in
the crosshairs
and you know we need to create our own
crosshairs
and focus them back on them
uh you've said that this conflict over
earth is being very well managed by both
opposing forces of ets the benevolence
and the regressives
um what do you mean by this well we
don't see any of it
um you know we don't see we don't see
the open warfare or the clashes that are
occurring
um simply because it's being so managed
that it's out of our sight
um you know some of it is actually
taking place on a higher dimensional
frequency that we don't actually see it
but there have been incursions into
third density you know
um that we we are in fact aware of which
is why there have been recovered crashes
you know because they've been shot down
so it's being well managed
uh both sides
so both sides can do
what they want to do and at the same
time we're being allowed to
to move in a specific direction okay now
i got a tough one here
we're not trying to uh contradict
anybody else's belief system here
we're just speaking about the
andromedans but according to the
andromedans in our
ancient past earth was moved by the
pleiadians
how did they do this and
why is this important and also why is it
so controversial
what is so controversial well the the
concept that the
the pleiadians are imperfect that
they've
made mistakes in the past well they've
all made mistakes i mean that's called
growth that's called maturity
um you know you don't you don't know the
right things until you've done the wrong
things
you don't know the path until you you've
experimented
with different logic uh different ideas
different philosophies
um different methods of implementation
of thought and creation and
worship i mean you know that that's
that's what
life was created for that's what
physicality was created for
was to to experiment to to enrich our
lives with
with experience and you know to worship
the extraterrestrials as our
ancestors did in the very very ancient
past
it would be stupid it would be the wrong
thing to do
and the reason for that is this yes they
have incredible technology
yes they have enormous wisdom about
space
about life and there's a zillion things
they could teach us
but they have gotten there the same way
we're getting there
by making mistakes that doesn't mean
they're gods
that doesn't mean you bow down and you
worship them
they have made their mistakes and in
many of them they're still making
mistakes
now the the reason i you've asked the
question
obviously is that the yeas have been
somewhat critical of the mistakes the
pleiadians have made in the past
here on earth and one of the things that
they have said to me
was that the reason they're involved now
is to help the pleiadians
step up that they have an obligation
to right some wrongs that the situation
that we're
in we're in because they did not fulfill
a promise
after atlantis to protect earth
they didn't do it the andromeda say that
earth was moved by the pleiadians why
why would they do that
let alone how could they do that oh that
isn't
that isn't difficult to do i mean it
only takes several very large
motherships
where you form a
a grid a grid around the earth and you
can literally use
the gravitational field um and pull it
or move it forward and that isn't
difficult solar systems
are built today by extraterrestrial
races
they can do that they can you know bring
moons that are just floating out in
space
and put them around planets they can
move planets closer
further uh they can take an ice planet
move it closer to a star
so that the ice melts now there's water
they can do all kinds of things
you know this type of of um
engineering planeteer
engineering i don't know that there's
actually a word for it it can be done it
has been done
um and it's it's it's the same here with
earth there was a point where we were
actually too close
after direct hit of with another another
a planet and they were able to move it
further away from the sun
which was a good thing okay so this can
be done and
and that in itself was was not
necessarily
a mistake okay the mistake that many
people make is that they think
that because these extraterrestrials can
come 100 million light years 140
230 600 light years across the galaxy to
earth
that they have to be all-knowing and
omnipotent absolutely not the case it's
just simply not the case
i mean you know look at our own our own
hidden space
uh program we know it exists
and you know they have remarkable
technology
and they have probably in all realistic
have tried to leave the solar system and
could leave the solar system
to travel to other stars you know we
have the technology the
you know the montauk information the
star chambers information you know we
have enormous technology
that we've reversed engineered you know
we
but it's one thing to have the
technology it's another thing to have
spiritual wisdom
and that's where we're really in trouble
here
you know is we don't have the spiritual
wisdom to know how to use these tools
and we're like new kids on the block who
get that brand new stingray bike
and the first thing we do is run through
the the intersection
you know with it cars hitting the brakes
and
horns blowing and you know people
screaming watch out watch out
because we don't know what we're doing
you know
and this is where it creates problems
for other other races
you know especially rick
especially when you look at the earth
herself
and you look at all the issues that are
going on on earth
that we just simply don't want to
resolve
you know we refuse to resolve and here
we are going to just leave earth and and
take that
energy out into space they don't want
any part of that
there's no place for that they've
already been through this
they don't want this any they don't want
this kind of
of uh insolence out there
okay there's no place for it
and we have a place
in the galactic family but we have to
also know that place
and knowing that place takes
a tremendous amount of introspection
really genuinely looking at ourselves
you know let's go back to some of the
things that were said
very early in the context
before the a's actually decided to
intervene there was a great deal of
discussion
regarding earth with the within the
andromedan council
now that is where a lot of planetary
systems meet it isn't
run or owned by the a's
it's just it's a lo location so they
call it that
okay it's easy for for everybody in that
area to meet there
and there were many that were opposed to
doing anything to help us
and let's focus on those reasons
they don't respect themselves they don't
respect each other
they don't respect their home planet
what
is their value
now let's look at the earth let's look
at ourselves today
has it changed any has it changed any
we have free energy we have free
technology
okay we we have the technological means
to create that
and yet we're about to fight world war
three over oil
you know so we can drive our cars and
our trucks
when those engines have been obsolete
for 70 years
we know this this is a this is a rocket
science this is this is out there
already
okay we're looking at a war over
water when instead of
feeding the military industrial complex
we could be building desalination plants
all over the world
so everybody could have water so they
could grow crops
but are we doing it hell no why would we
want to do that
why would we want to empower people to
grow food and take care of themselves
then we can't control them this is what
i'm talking about
this is what i'm talking about
so back to the pleiadians let me give a
little history on the pleiadians
uh what tell me about what atlantis
was and how the palladians were involved
in it
atlantis was an extraterrestrial colony
um
there were many races coming and going
it was kind of
a the analogy that i've been given was
like a truck stop
you had planetary systems moving in and
out of our galaxy
and this was one of the stops one
because of its location
two because of its minerals uh it's
amazing different type of life forms and
many of those life forms were brought to
earth
in full form just so you know which is
why we can't find
you know the evolution in the fossil
record it's because they were brought
here in full form so it was a colony
there were many races coming in
um many of them were human many of them
were not
uh there were all kinds of experiments
going on here
you had extraterrestrial human
extraterrestrials the giants
co-mingling with women of our world
leaving offspring many of them became
uh royal lines others were hunted down
and killed
by other races um because they were half
breeds
you know so and if you remember in the
in the early notes
va said that prejudice was an
extraterrestrial perspective
this was something that we had been
taught by the extraterrestrial races
themselves
which clearly shows you know they had
some maturing to do they they were going
through
a growth curve um hopefully all those
races have
but apparently not because we still have
some regressive races that are
here doing their thing
um you know hiding behind us essentially
um so
you know it was an extraterrestrial
colony which is why it was so
technologically advanced
um people were coming and go races were
coming and going
um and that all ended
in a war in another war
and um
you know from what i've what i
understand it was the pleiadians
who took out atlantis
so and that's a whole other conversation
you also i think expressed that the
andromedan said that
those left behind on earth were supposed
to be protected by
the pleiadians yes and what happened
there
they left they didn't stick around and
other races came in
and not only took refuge but created
underground colonies for themselves
and essentially began the very slow
process
of managing us controlling us
and it and at some point they started
using us
as a natural resource are those the ones
that uh have created the program
as you call it they're a very integral
part of the program
that is correct how is the moon and
those other races associated with the
moon affected earth humanity
and and what's the history there
okay that's no small question
um what i've been taught
was that the moon showed up somewhere
around eleven thousand
six hundred to twelve thousand years ago
um it was brought here and we know it's
hollow
uh it came from i believe ursa minor
from a star system called chaota and uh
it used to be a
a craft of some sort and you know
in the early years of space travel
many of the planet uh planet fairing
races now
when they first started they didn't have
all the natural resources
to build huge craft so what they would
do
is they would use smaller craft and they
would go out and try to capture
uh moons asteroids things like that
and then what they would do is they
would move them into their orbit
safely and then they would hollow them
out and use them as spacecraft
build the craft on the inside so now
they have all the raw materials they
need on the outside
build the craft propulsion system
your life support systems things like
that on the inside of these moons
and then they would use that as the
craft you know as opposed to
using all of your natural resources to
build the shell of the ship
they didn't have to do that now all
right um
it's just really smart so you know
briefly that's the story of of the moon
we
that's dealt with in defending sacred
ground
now the aryans the maldekians how are
they associated with the moon
and who are they
well they're essentially the same you
know if you look at the aryan
the aryan race per se um
it's a combination of orion
of a lot of different races let me just
say that of different human races
now my understanding is is that during
one of the last pole shifts
they hid underground facilities that
were built for them
in the himalayas because it was going to
be safe there
and after the pole shift occurred and
things began to settle
they came out but apparently not all of
them have come out
there are still a very small group that
live inside the mountain underground
excuse me who literally want no part of
the surface
so that's how i could address that um
and i think this is documented in
history books where
uh the the anglo-saxon race the white
race
you know came out of the plateaus of the
himalayas
in ancient history and
moved down through india and just you
know migrated to different areas of the
world
i also understand that they had some
advanced technology that was used
um as well they had access to that
what's their influence been on humanity
has been positive negative what kind of
influence
i would probably have to say both i
would have to say both
you know you know rick you could take
any
any piece of information any
philosophical belief
and you know you could turn it for
positive or for negative
you know but ultimately the decision
to buy into that belief system whether
it's light
or it's dark or positive or negative is
as us
you know i mean there have been a lot of
ideas that have just gone by the wayside
because nobody believed it didn't want
to believe it and it wasn't of any use
well it's the same thing with the
religions you know
it can be used for positive or for
negative but it ultimately is the
responsibility of the people
who take who buy into that belief system
to use it
in you know in a good manner you know or
a negative manner
so it's it's like you know what was it
flip wilson we were kids
the devil made me do it you know i mean
you know how how often have we heard
that um
where in fact you know he made the
choice
to do it you know so fast
yeah fast so
what's occur i know you've told me that
in the last five years you've had
limited contact
although you've had some in the last
year with the andromedans
um but according to what you've
come to understand in previous years
about the moon
what's been occurring there in recent
times say the last 50 years
you've stated that the nsa has been
operating bases on the moon since
the spring of 1958
now a skeptic would say how is that
possible to keep such a secret hidden
from the public for so long
and and how did you get the information
that the nsa
has had bases on the moon since the 50s
okay
well it wasn't their base but they were
there
sharing the base let's correct that
they were taken up there by the grace
that's how they got there um at you know
there was an exchange of technology
and personnel we know this but this goes
back to the to the
to 54 and there were even attempts at
contacts even earlier than that
so there was uh in 54 the beginning of
sharing of technology
now those that project from what i
understand
and it's amazing um the group
that the first group and series of
groups that went were known as the black
monks
i don't know if it was project black
monk or what
but this has been going on for some time
and everybody thinks the government
can't keep a secret well
they absolutely can keep secrets
i think in the beginning their
intentions
were good i think they honestly wanted
to get their hands on this technology
i think they thought that they were
clever enough
that they could take this technology
use it here and at some point end the
relationship
you know i think that they were arrogant
enough at the time i'm talking about our
people
that began this whole program um
that they thought that they could trick
the grays out of this technology we
would have it and at some point we could
push them away
and we would have it and we would be
free etc etc
cetera either that or they were
incredibly naive
and just couldn't help themselves
i don't necessarily have an answer
but it has not gone the way they they've
expected it
and many of them inside the program know
that that this is that they're in
trouble
that this is an issue that they don't
know how to resolve
and i can tell you that i know that
there have been
there has been
efforts to reach out
to other races to help
with this issue the problem is though
and what keeps coming back when when
there
when there has been um
how do i put this
when there has been some face to face
with benevolent races
what comes back is that these benevolent
races will push back to the governments
uh or to this this well it was our
government that did it at first
they say look you
you signed a treaty you agreed
to all of this knowingly you know
it's your responsibility
and apparently we were warned you know
not to go with these guys
so it's kind of a dilemma actually
and but at this point
the benevolence will intervene i
absolutely believe they will intervene
for the sake of humanity and not the
sake of of world governments
you know they're going to do i believe
but they're going to do whatever they
can
to protect the people not the
governments
was the 1969 moon landing a fake
or was it real i don't believe it was a
fake at all no
why haven't we gone back since 1972 or
73 to the moon
well i don't think it was because of
lack of interest i think it had to do
with the fact that we were told not to
go back
who told us that i don't even want to
get into that
i don't want to get into that
next question okay
when mourinho shared with you their
understanding of the relationship
with the is-ness which is like what
some of us might call the one or god
they call it the is-ness back in 1995
what was your reaction to it
ah my my reaction to it was all because
of the simplicity
and how clean it was um
and i immediately saw some parallels
between what the native american and
other indigenous
uh people
had practiced um as far as
being a part of nature and appreciating
nature in the grandeur of nature and
watching nature and understanding the
power and the presence of it
not only to heal but to create wisdom
and to educate
um about who we are in our physicality
you know for example what most people
don't understand is
many of our herbal treatments that have
been used for
for thousands and thousands of years the
indigenous people learned from the
animals by watching the animals
knowing what plants to eat when they
weren't feeling well
you know i mean we take it for granted
because
we think we have you know modern
medicine but most of
modern medicine is is recreating
extracts found in the plant world
it's all it is except you know their
stuff is really tweaked
you know and it creates other problems
for the body because it isn't real
okay alex critics of contactees often
make the argument that the whole
etufo phenomena is simply a ruse
by attention seekers to create a cult
following and pseudo
religion around themselves now how would
you
answer these types of critics
well you know it's interesting the
contactees that i've met
none of them really want the attention
and in fact it's more
disruptive and harmful to their their
lives than anything
possibly could be um
you know with the exception of the meyer
case
where they create fiji and and you know
it's become
radical that billy's it and he's the one
and
it's only him and it's only about him
you know other than that i'm not aware
of of
well there is that guy in france right
the raelians or something like that
whatever they're called you know there
is that guy
i think that
for the love of the planet most
contactees who have come forward
share the information because they
believe it will help
it'll help give us some insight into
what our issues are and our own
self-identity
to realize we're not alone that you know
maybe there is a way for us to get some
answers
so we don't destroy our planet destroy
our ecology
you know that there are some mentors
out there races who could mentor us
through this transition that we're going
through
um as far as creating religions and
cults well humanity has always done that
you know that's why you've got the
religions
i mean you know the the romans knew what
they were doing when they were creating
the religions of the east and the west
you know and you know and creating
christianity
they know what they were doing um
i i just you know the critics could find
anything to about anything you
know they can
you know they sit behind their their
computers and they
they say they can you know say whatever
they want to say
um but what would they do in the same
position
if they were being contacted would they
their pants
or would they stand up and and what
would they do with the information
i i'm sorry you need to go away i don't
i don't want any of this information
because
i'm afraid i'll create a cult i mean
what is that
you know what would they do what would
they do in the situation
you know it's so easy to criticize the
efforts of somebody else when you're the
not one not the one on the firing line
you know it's always easy to be the the
armchair quarterback
you know when you're in your living room
you're not on the floor or on the field
having to make the call it's always easy
to second-guess
you know and
you know from my heart those people who
think they know
when they don't know
you know you deserve to be on the front
line you really do
you do you deserve to be in the front
line you deserve to
to be attacked like you've attacked
everybody else
so that you know that you don't know
what you're talking about
it's that simple and that's exactly how
i feel about it
after all these years of taking crap and
having crap thrown at me and at my
family and at my children
you know you don't know what you're
talking about and
it's gotten so bad that you know if you
were to ask me
would i ever do this again
would i ever go public again the answer
is absolutely
no i would keep the information for
myself
pass it on to my family and tell the
rest of humanity
forget it because it isn't worth it
it just isn't worth it you know look at
your history
on on how you've you've handled those
who have tried to share wisdom it isn't
a good track record
so but i wouldn't do it again if i had
to do it over i wouldn't do it again
and that's what led to your five years
where you
nearly six yes refuse contact with the
andromedans yeah
and what prompted you to begin contact
with them again
what made the difference for you
it brought you back well look at the
condition of the world
and i'm a parent
i'm a parent
so this is about your children yeah
yeah plain and simple
all right now come the easy questions
who who is humanity who is humanity
oh you know that's an evolving question
who are we
you know what what is our sum total
um
you know we've come from humble
beginnings
um primarily a slave race
mixed with uh extraterrestrial genetic
races
other genetic races of extraterrestrial
origin
or other planetary systems um been
experimented on just
you know that's that's the 64 000
question who are we
i believe that's evolving um as we
are what does it look like
you know what does that look like when
we have fully matured
you know what does humanity look like
and i believe that it will probably
be one of the few true representations
of the entire galactic family living
together as one
uh that's honestly what i believe
and um you know through our physical
body types
through our our skin color through our
all of our genetics
you know a remarkable potential
um you know but we're evolving we're
moving closer to that
um you've also mentioned that some of us
are
from a higher frequency a higher
dimension you talked about the patal
i was told that in the andromedan
perspective
and this information was given to them
by by more advanced races than their own
um in
in a harmonic or frequency density
higher than theirs
that there is speculation that many of
the souls
on the planet come from a group soul
called the patal
and that group soul were
also known in history
in antiquity galactic antiquity
as the founders who had
moved through all the dimensions through
the different physicalities and evolved
spiritually
to get i guess to the highest level and
some have decided to
leave eternity and fall back into the
concept of time
which is where we are today where
allegedly they are today let me put it
that way
um here to help uplift
and change you know this harmonic what
we know as third density
and to move it forward and as we move
forward it creates a graduational
type of procession of uplifting of
frequencies for other
for for the others as well um
it's it's an evolution and
allegedly that's what they think um
you know that that's that's a very
interesting subject and
you know i know we're limited on time on
the tape but but you know i've dealt
with some of that already
in in the earlier talks let me ask you
uh some people would say
that you know we're here because we've
made mistakes in the past and we're kind
of like spiritual renegades and this is
our
prison or this is our cell we're
relegated to this spot in the
the galaxy on the outer fringes other
people say we're
slow learners we're spiritual idiots and
we've got a lot to learn before we're
allowed into this you know heart of the
galaxy and
mix with the other higher frequency
races
what do you what have you learned about
that those concepts are those valid or
invalid or the
what's your opinion well i think if
earth is a prison it's because we've
we believe it's a prison
but it could be that they're all right
i mean if this is a place where we
create our own physicality and we create
our own reality
then they're all right you know if you
believe this is a prison for you then
then you're right it's going to be a
prison for you if you believe this is a
paradise in a school and a place for you
to learn
lessons and evolve and to learn love
then it's going to be a school for you
a university really um you know
irregardless we all know that it's a
boot camp for the soul
you know earth is not easy um
i think it the true test of earth is
that yes it's physical
but it's kind of like being in a mirror
you know what you think is immediately
mirrored back to you
you know if you if you walk around you
know whining that you're the victim
you know what you're right you're going
to be the victim
you will create that reality for
yourself if you walk around
projecting prosperity you will create
prosperity
it will come to you you know to me it's
it's like a hall of mirrors that's what
earth is and
uh
i for one feel extremely blessed to be
here
to learn these incredible lessons and to
have these these particular
opportunities
you know
and i just wish more people looked at it
that way um
because you know when you get to that
place it's very
self-empowering you know
and uh you know you're willing to step
up and do the things that you have to do
i am very thankful for the for the
lessons that earth has given me
um but you know in hindsight you know
with all the things that we have to go
through to learn to love to feel to be
responsible to
to experience anger and hate and
abuse of power and all those lessons
that we all go through
many lifetimes here would i
add that additional class of
you know dealing with an
extraterrestrial race on a planet as
paranoid as this
and the answer is no now earlier you
said that you're convinced reincarnation
is a reality in fact you were even given
evidence of reincarnation by the
andromedans
they showed you something when you were
young something about your
your life history your past can you
share a little bit about that
and can you decide can you tell me
a little bit about how our consciousness
chooses what life or body to
inhabit and you have also talked about
that van allen belt
and that it plays a part in
reincarnation as well in in terms of
your understanding
of it let's talk about reincarnation for
a little bit tell me what you
what you feel about reincarnation when i
was a kid um
they had put this cap it was almost like
a a metallic type of a yanka on my head
and immediately monitors came out of a
wall out of nowhere
and i started being shown scenes of
lifetimes
and this information was coming out of
my own head even though i consciously
had
no idea or a way to even tap into it but
i knew it was me
i mean i was emotionally involved with
everything that i saw and i knew
that it was me and you know i that's not
something that i can explain to people
you either just know or you don't
well i knew that was me and
from that moment on i had a very i had a
different perspective of life
because i haven't been born and raised
catholic
you know as an altar boy you know here
you know what they teach you is that
you're given this one life
to get it right and if you don't get it
right and you make a mistake
you know even though he's a loving and
forgiving god he's going to throw you
into a fiery abyss for the rest of
eternity
that's insanity it's insanity i mean
why would anybody believe that number
one okay
number two um obviously that's not a
loving and forgiving god
okay so it's you know in my mind you
know being a kid
it was a lie i just knew it was a lie
and reincarnation is not new that
many of the different uh cultures have
talked about it
and in order to mature the soul
you would need more than one lifetime
i mean you know what we live on average
on this earth most people
45 50 years for the average the united
states is 72 i think
73 but outside the country it's a lot
less
and and that's it that's your window
please you know so
um you know everybody has their own
perspective on it and absolutely
everyone is entitled to their own
perspective on it i know that
reincarnation is a fact
and i'm encouraged by the fact that it
is a fact
that we get multiple lifetimes to figure
things out
turn a little to to learn specific
lessons
now you know what does that look like
when creating a family to come into
i don't have those answers rick i don't
um i did ask the question once where do
souls go
when they die you know and i was told
that if
there was a physical place it would
uh be near the van allen belt where that
is
that's what the asa told me but that's
all the information they ever gave me
about it
so and that's all i know now in regard
to
human evolution you've said that we must
make the conscious decision not to
spread hate
why is this so important
well what's hate it's a lack of love
it's a lack of love
and a lack of love
is destructive it disintegrates things
um if you look at some of the earlier
notes where the andromedans have talked
about
um traveling through space throughout
our galaxy
and discovering cultures who had
reached advanced maturity
that had actually destroyed themselves
because they lost their original intent
and i believe that
the original intent is learning to
totally and unconditionally
not only love oneself but love all
when you lose focus of that
things just begin to disintegrate
perpetually
because you continue to justify
creating a space of fear and
do love and fear exist in the same
space no they don't they're actually
polarities
opposite polarities so
many of the advanced extraterrestrial
races have figured that out
and so even if there was an opposing e.t
regressive race
they would do their best not to hate
them
yes yes
you've said that in this age that it's
so important to know your neighbors
you've said that in your recent meeting
with the andromedans that
your uh your faith and friendships was
reaffirmed
why is friendship and why associate with
neighbors why is it so important
especially now in these times
and let's end it with this question i've
been blessed
to have an off-world perspective of
earth
and it's a very tiny little planet
compared to some of the others that are
out there that have life on them
we are a community of people all living
together
sharing a very very small space okay
on a ball of water and land that is
traveling
through space it is such a miracle such
a gift
if you could if you could see it from
that perspective
the the real the reaffirming of
friendship
was you know how i had not seen them in
a very very long time
and that initial
reconnecting was if we had never been
apart
and you know that when you're in you
know we've all experienced that here on
earth
where we have had friends who we've
never seen or we haven't seen
for years and years and years and then
you either accidentally bump into them
or something
and it's just like the it's like you
hadn't been apart
the conversation the friendship picks up
exactly where it left off
those are gifts you know those are
absolute moments of grace
and they should not ever be taken for
granted
because those relationships not only
mirror back
our own goodness and bring us joy and
laughter
and sharing um
but they help complete us you know and
and reaffirm
you know our purpose and and see
good in in people every day and then you
know that's that's something i think we
need to do
is we need to really focus on looking
for the good
that's in every day you know i read the
news every day
i know what's happening in the world and
sometimes it terribly gets me down
because and frustrated because i don't
know what to do
to fix the problem you know guys we try
to solve problems right
we're wired that way um but at the same
time
um i
i if if the if the kids start laughing
about something
it changes my perspective it brings me
joy
it makes me you know it brings me back
you know
to what really is important and i think
you know what we started off this
interview with
you know what's really important these
are the things that
you know humanity as a whole really
needs to be focusing
on it can't be about money you know
i'll never forget the uh
the time that i did this presentation
regarding money to mourinho and for
sales because they asked me to
and when the whole thing was over and i
spent a great deal of time putting
together this presentation
of course i was naive because i figured
well they didn't really know they didn't
understand
but of course they knew they'd been
studying us for a long time
and when the whole thing was over
mourinho was very grateful
and fiseaus just looked at me and he
goes i don't understand
and i go what is it that you don't
understand and
he just he just looked at me and he said
i don't understand why you have to pay
to live on a planet you were born on
and i mean it's such a simple question
and it's haunted me
ever since and you know what ladies and
gentlemen
ask yourself that question why do we
have to pay to live on a planet we were
born on
and who are we actually paying for the
privilege of being alive here
who made them the boss who put them in
charge
you know think about that
oh and and and i have a roma coat
kidding i'm kidding thanks so much for
spending the time with
uh with me today and with with all the
people that are gonna get to be able to
see this
and uh we all thank you in advance um
and and we thank you for everything
you've done in the past sharing all your
experiences and we
a lot of us recognize the pain and
sacrifice that you've gone through in
sharing this and
we all just want to remind you that we
really appreciate it and thank you
peace out