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this week we've heard the contention of
ufo researchers that there's a secret
government within our government
well there's several uh actually nine
flying saucers flying discs that are out
there of
extraterrestrial origin
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not to burst your bubble but the earth
is not the center of the universe
at least not anymore
you are not the star of your own movie
humans are not the top of the food chain
and fate is a fantasy but i can't prove
any of this
even if i want it if i wanted to there
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is
pervades everything i feel it though i
do not see it
it is this unseen power which makes
itself felt
there is an indefinable mysterious power
that pervades everything
i feel it though i do not see it it is
this
unseen power which makes itself built
there is
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so
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reality simply isn't what it used to be
things are not what they see
everything around us is a mental
construct
we created
breaking that down is hard to do
and once it's done there ain't no coming
back
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what happens to people when their
fundamental beliefs the bedrock of their
understanding explodes
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how do we react
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um
is an indefinable mysterious
power that pertains everything
beliefs are material things
they direct our lives and choices moment
by moment
there's stowaways to the imagination
emporium
harness the hunches polished with proof
they're like clothing we can't afford
they elevate us
yet they're not ours to keep we discard
them
when they no longer serve our needs or
we find out they weren't real at all
this story is extraordinary
especially if it's true
and it all started in the desert just
north of las vegas
hmm
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of spots on the planet is located on the
northeast edge of the nevada test site
and is said to be where
numerous top-secret weapon systems have
been tested over the years
according to some ufo researchers it's
also where the government is
test flying alien spacecraft it sounds
pretty far out but some las vegas
residents
report having seen these flying saucers
a local scientist who says he worked at
groom lake and saw the saucers joins us
in tonight's interview
he has asked that his identity be
shielded sir how do we know you are who
you say you are and that you actually
have knowledge about what's going on at
groom lake
well i guess there's no way you could
really know uh
there's really no way i can prove it
without revealing my identity and
getting myself into more trouble than i
have already
exactly what's going on up there well
there's several
uh actually nine
flying saucers flying discs that are out
there of extraterrestrial origin
and they're being test flown and uh
basically just analyzed you say there's
nine saucers
how are those tests going as far as what
as far as whether they're successful and
and that sort of thing
oh well some of them are 100 intact and
operate perfectly uh the other ones are
being taken apart
i was involved mainly in propulsion and
the power source
where did we get these saucers how did
they come into the hands of the
government
i haven't the slightest idea and you
have to understand the information is
very compartmentalized
and i was only allowed information that
pertain particularly to what i was
involved in but i mean couldn't
couldn't our government have made them
as opposed to getting them from some
alien beings totally impossible uh
the propulsion system is an uh a gravity
propulsion system the power source is an
antimatter reactor
this technology does not exist at all in
fact one of the reasons that i'm going
forward with this information
it's not only a crime against the
american people it's a crime against the
scientific community
which i've been part of for some time or
actively trying to duplicate these
systems yet they are in existence now
and basically in the hands of the
government what would happen to you if
the government
learned that you were giving us this
information
anything could happen i don't know it's
uh i haven't the slightest idea
well you said uh you were referred to
getting into trouble have you had some
repercussions
already yeah i've been threatened with
uh
being charged with espionage i've had my
life threatened by them my wife's life
threatened by them and
uh i i mean i don't know where else you
can go from there
well we want to thank you for joining us
pretty interesting stuff you've got to
say
thank you thank you sir well more news
in just a moment
now first we go to dan rather in beijing
for a look ahead at the cbs evening news
cbs evening news from china we'll have
extensive coverage at pike ilvershow
the live interview with the shadowy
dentist drew international attention
portions were broadcast by radio in six
european countries
and in a nationally televised tv special
in japan
despite numerous inquiries and feelers
dennis has remained anonymous
until now his real name is robert lazar
he says he was hired to work at an area
called
s4 which is a few miles south of groom
lake at s4 he says are flying saucers
anti-matter reactors and other working
examples of technology
that is seemingly beyond human
capabilities lord knapp eyewitness news
eight
good evening everyone you're in the
right place at the right time
blasting out of the mojave desert like a
scirocco
blazing across the land into your town
into your home
slamming into your radio like a
supercharged nanoparticle
of unobtainium greetings to all of you
from the boldest
bodies most outrageous city in the world
planetary capital of sun
fun sin sex and secrets my not so humble
hometown las vegas nevada
you know there are a lot of people
myself included who would like to focus
on
big picture stuff who are these visitors
why are they here what is the nature of
reality
what is their interest in us where do
they come from
those are the questions that people have
been asking about the ufo mystery since
the beginning we're no closer to
answering any of them
but bob got pretty close bob got to read
these briefing documents that provided
those kind of answers
the thing is when we were covering his
story so much of the effort was
improving
that he really was the person he said he
was is it true
is it plausible that really that was the
focus
uh more than the really important stuff
you have to cover the story of bob lazar
and the only way to do that is to talk
to bob
i don't know if it'll talk to you or not
but you need to try
it's all going to be circumstance for
you is
the moment that you approach him the
mood that he's in what else
is going on in his life at the time you
might hit the jackpot and get him at
exactly the right time and the
the universe is aligned and he's willing
to talk about it
but you have to be awfully lucky because
in general
bob doesn't like to talk about it i
think he's very happy in his life he's
happy to have left
the ufo stuff behind he misses his
friends
he misses john lear he misses gene huff
maybe even me some extent but he doesn't
miss the ufo topic
and he doesn't miss talking about it
because ultimately it's disturbing these
are disturbing
issues they go to the heart of who we
are as people
as human beings the nature of reality
itself is this
a computer simulation are we all the
product of an alien video game
or some multi-dimensional movie drive-in
movie theater production or something
big questions disturbing answers and bob
has
never been comfortable and talking about
never
he reacted by going into a cocoon in a
lot of ways he didn't like
he doesn't like the attention as it
totally screwed up his life
it's not surprising that even years
later he still is uncomfortable in
discussing these things
it's a very disturbing view of reality
being a young person's guide to you wow
this looks old man
hey what are we talking about anyway
we'll go
through
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my name's bob lazar i'm known for
working at a classified base known as s4
out of the nevada desert
near area 51 and there
we reverse engineered alien spacecraft
and it's changed my life a lot
you know it's probably changed every
aspect of it positive or negative
well for the most part negative i mean i
it's really difficult to find positive
aspects of that i mean i'm sure there
are some here and there but most of them
were
were negative
would you would you take it all back and
just be bob the jet car guy and never
have done this if you can are you glad
you have the experience
um yeah that's hard to say i don't know
i
i think i'd lean towards not at this
point in my life i'd probably lean
towards not saying anything
you know what would be your message to a
young person now about looking at your
story and thinking about the world
what would you say to them just pay
attention
and just pay attention i can't see i
can't really say much else the world's
a lot different now the way information
is disseminated and the way
the way things are passed around it's
distorted even faster and
more now than it used to be so they've
got a rough road ahead
you're trying to cut through the
what do you want them to know
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that in the late 1980s the us government
had recovered alien spacecraft
several of them and the technology in
the nevada desert that they were keeping
quiet and analyzing
that's a fact they don't need
my story but that's i mean that's all my
story was
was that i was just one of the people
working on these craft
well fine i'll just say everything
instead of holding back on anything and
then you can edit it later on
well take it from the top okay
well go ahead uh how you got involved
with this program
i had sent resumes to several national
labs
i got a response from a couple of them i
went in for an interview
they had a job in mind
and then they continued questioning me
mainly on my interests outside of work
they seem to be really
concerned about that about things like
jet cars
right what do you do in your spare time
you know you say you work on little
projects i said yeah i have a particle
accelerator in my master bedroom and
and things of that sort and uh some time
went by and they called me back in they
said uh there was a
a senior staff physicist that was
leaving uh this organization and they've
basically interviewed me for that job
i was given a lot of briefings to read
on i believe there were 121 different
briefings and just sat me in a room and
i had a
while they were going and updating my
clearance to a level
that they call majestic you start
reading these reports
you see some of them deal with flying
saucers what's your reaction
well i was i was completely shocked i
couldn't i couldn't believe it but uh
i was fascinated i was so excited i
it's a it's a science dream really
eventually i would have shown them one
close-up one operating
they had one of the reactors out of the
crafts
which was an antimatter reactor uh
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i was given a demonstration on how it
worked uh things that it did and
uh the physics of it the thing that
we're most interested in is duplicating
the
reactors without using this element 115
uh which is of course impossible they
were trying to uh
and there have been projects before that
uh just trying to use a
normal nuclear generator filled with
plutonium
and really a feudal attempt
some people are sources of gravity
their certainty in homeless commands our
attention
we are drawn to them by a natural law
that requires we don't
quite understand the mechanical
mechanism
but the pull is like a tied a current
you can't deny
and eventually it wears you down
call george knapp calling george knapp
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mobile
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hey george hey man what's up man how you
doing
all right what's going on this is now 30
years
since you initially broke the story of
bob lazar
so i mean the amount of information is
overwhelming and i just want to go over
with you some of the details of the case
sure we're talking about ufos alien
craft back engineering
and there's lazar saying he did all that
and from what i understand it's spread
everywhere
yeah you know we had the first interview
in may of
1989 with him as dennis it's
not his real identity not not known not
revealed to the audience
and even that before we know who bob
lazar was that
sparked a big a great deal of interest
among the public
i spent the day eight months between may
and november
try to verify bob's background to see if
we could
solidify the case to see if we could
find out if he was telling the truth
and then to the plan was to unleash it
in november which is what we did it was
the
highest rated news series we've ever
done it was the
highest rated news special that ever
aired in las vegas and then
it really exploded it went all over the
world bootleg
copies of the tapes were being sold and
shown in movie theaters you had media
interest from all over the world and i
think a lot of it was skeptical at the
beginning which of course it would be
but in the end every major news
organization in the world
beat a path to area 51's door and tens
of thousands of people
started showing up out there to see
whatever it was that was flying around
in the desert
they're still coming all these years
later and i know
a lot of my media colleagues have had
problems with that story but they've all
covered
all of them you put area 51 on the map
it's now known all over the world
even though lazar worked at s4 area 51
is the term that the public knows so
it was huge it was huge then it's huge
now
the mountains appear to float on dry
lake beds like
spaceships from another world they seem
to ride on a viscous material
channeled through empty space by heat
that rises and separates
it vitrifies everything it contacts like
a
like a green glass honey a goddamn
psychedelic liquid drowning the
emptiness with imaginations of
imagination
this desert is packed and punctuated by
a thousand gaping holes
created in the thousand atomic blasts
that define an era
what are they building in the desert
north of las vegas
what are they hiding where they hide
are they hiding
what is your name and what's your
relationship to bob lazar
my name is mario santa cruz and i met
bob actually in my neighborhood
he lived like one block over my
attraction to bob was
his jet dragster so i saw this jet
dragster
sitting out in front of his house
in our neighborhood which was extremely
just the jet dragster alone was
rare but in my neighborhood to see
something like that was
unbelievable people were harassing
bob threatening him and you were with
him in one of those experiences at least
one
couple of times actually i actually had
a weapon with me
you know when i when we rode together
because he had been shot at
you know what was the weapon was it the
uzi
yes yeah
i don't know why i'm being so careful
i'm used to being that way when it comes
to talking about bob
being careful what i say you know what i
mean so it's kind of a force of habit to
kind of just
walk on eggshells a little bit he just
wanted to stay alive
that's why he exposed himself his life
was it was in chaos
how he pulled out of it you know he dug
deep it's a pretty
incredible story
i shot at you somebody shot and maybe
it's a warning perhaps
it's a good warning i had my back tire
shot out on my car as i was getting on
the freeway
um
yeah is this a secret worth killing the
keep i mean to the government
obviously
but in fact the only reason
that getting this on tape is uh
insurance
well that's one reason but i mean also
as an american citizen
you're bothered by that this stuff is
going on and
yeah i am but not enough to have you
know
stood here and have it on the record
insurance is the true motivation behind
this
a four months old in our little
apartment in florida
and that's me holding him very proud mom
holding him
we have a beautiful little place in
florida
look at that one sunday morning must've
been about six o'clock in the morning
everyone is sleeping with this
huge bang bob had put a jet engine
in the bike at six in the morning he
decided to take it out for a trip
what did you guys think when he said mom
dad i'm building scared out of my mind i
didn't know what he was gonna do next
was he gonna blow up the house blow up
the world
i don't know i don't know
it's out there you know he's out there
you know he proves his story let's say
maybe it would cause
problems maybe it would blow up
more than likely it would so he's best
of keeping things
unlocked down down low really but at the
same time he has said there are a way
there is a way he could prove his story
i want him to be happy if vindication
is what he wants fine but that's up to
him
you believe him or not it's a fearful
thing to think that there's something
out there that we don't know anything
about or are they dangerous can they
hurt us
will they attack us you don't want to
know so
you don't believe it you'd rather not
believe
there might be other things out there
other things in the universe
there has to be we can't be all by
ourselves
we can't be
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my name is joy and i am bob's wife we've
been together it'll be 17 years
what is it that you think is is most
misunderstood
um that he really is an honest guy
you know he doesn't make stuff up
i guess it's just so big so the easier
thing to do
is to point the finger and say liar yeah
that's so sad that's really sad
that they don't know real bob
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there's particular moments that define
each one of us
we may not know it at the time but we
learn it later
every action creates a cascade of
reactions
life is a web of defense
actions overlaid by consequence
and woven across the carpet of time and
fabric of time
future determined by past
past defined by present
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present experienced throughout the lens
of personal history
but for some it's obvious you could put
your finger on it
that definable indelible moment
when everything changed
i love my job there's a lot of
craftsmanship in the stuff that i do
i really like working with my hands it's
a really unique job
i don't think there's any other job
where you get to do this kind of stuff
every day
we'll either get a really interesting
order coming in or
bob will get bored and try to come up
with a new product and that's when it
gets really fun so there's another one
that he wants to do
like recreate a grand atomic chemistry
set
something of that sort and i i think
that would be really cool if he ever
decides to really hone in on that
this is the atomic energy lab it's
something from the 1950s
a toy like a chemistry set you get for
your kid it was made by gilbert
chemistry is today a fascinating
adventure for youth of all ages
gilbert has made this exciting science
available in safe and easy to understand
form
made as completely safe as human
ingenuity can devise
this actually came with radioactive
material
you could really conduct atomic energy
experiments in it it was
fascinating and it was billed as the
most dangerous toy ever made and and
still
in some respects is still considered
that way today but
the thing is it wasn't it was just
people's fears
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so here i am and i'm watching you do
your work
when people don't know you it's so easy
for them
to just make up about you and to
dehumanize you
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how simple that is to do the fact that
somebody will say you're not a scientist
i mean all i've ever done is science
related stuff my entire life
so i don't know i guess the
point is do i really care what
people i don't know think and probably
to some extent i do
but i don't i don't dwell on it
i guess it is easier to discredit
someone that you have no
information on because you can just say
anything about them then there's nothing
to refute it
mean i feel privileged i got to work in
it
so in some respects i shouldn't be
allowed to complain
i i've given the example of uh
you know transporting a small modern day
portable nuclear reactor back into
victorian times giving it to the
scientists there
back in that time they didn't even know
about radiation so they'd see a machine
making power
kind of like what we're doing and marvel
at it wow it's producing a lot of power
there's no
smoke stack there's no coal there's no
fuel how is this thing working
they start taking it apart well they'll
all die
as soon as they get close to the core
people who come in to check on them
will all die and no one knows nothing
touched them
so they're going to think it's haunted
or some there's some evil forces or
something in there
but um i mean who says that can't happen
to us
the first time barry showed me the
reactor in operation
you know here it is on the bench and he
said you know try and touch the sphere
on top
and you couldn't your hand was pushed
away just like
you know two light poles of a magnet
it's the exact same feeling but
it was no metal involved and that's
shocking
that's really shocking because nothing
does that that's an operating
powerful force field so just seeing
something like that
immediately starts that whole chain
reaction in your mind going wow wait
if you can do this there could be force
fields on tanks there can be things that
lift off the ground we don't get
rocket engines anymore that means
there's wait there's no use for cars i
mean
boom the whole thing changes the entire
world the economy
everything would go end on end just if
we had
an answer to how that machine worked
that i was sitting there
touching the potential for us to
re-understand
human experience is right
right there's i mean there's life
somewhere else
it's a big deal it's an important part
of human history that we found that out
it was awesome
but fearsome at the same time
it was being completely scared
all day long it's not exactly the most
fun job when you're there
you know almost three decades later the
fear drops off and you just left with
the amazement
and technology that you were exposed to
we have you know an artifact here from
another civilization
it really changes the way a lot of
people think
we're all looking for an answer having
physical proof
is an awful big deal i think what a lot
of people find really compelling about
bob
he legitimately appeared
and appears sometimes just perplexed by
what he saw
have you noticed that kind of about him
yeah he was aware that this was weird
he was aware it was weird that they
hired him i mean you know he's a smart
guy
and he thinks outside the box so in a
lot of ways
he might have been just what exactly
what they needed for
a program that seemed to be stalled but
he knew that he wasn't
their kind of a guy that they could have
had their pick of any scientists in the
world presumably to work on this
so it was strange and it was strange
that they started showing him these
briefing books with this incredibly
sensitive information
right off the bat as soon as he gets
there they start showing him this stuff
with
alien bodies uh broken down so you can
see their organs
and the history of human alien
interaction and
all kinds of things that the ufo
community had suspected
but no one could prove and he just
thought it was weird that anyone would
show him this stuff
he wondered what the heck was going on i
think he was thrilled you know part of
him was really thrilled to be there and
thrilled to see it
even if it turned out to be some kind of
a ruse
but you know he knew that something was
not quite right about the whole thing or
suspected that anyway
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you were telling people since 1989 that
there was some sort of
hand scanner there was like a bone
scanner and you tried to describe it you
said
you think it took measurements of the
bone there were these pegs you put your
hand on it
it's a small plate with some pins on it
that you could put between your fingers
there's a bright light above it the
interesting thing is when you walk
into the facility or even to leave they
have a
hand reader i was told that it has to do
something where it measures the
the bright light measures the bones in
your finger they're unique to each
person
that sounds like something out of a tv
show but it it it's exactly the way it
is
man i looked for that kind of thing all
over the internet
never found anything and then all of a
sudden this article comes out
and it says that at the nellis range
for the they were talking about the
stealth program there was indeed this
hand scanner that was used in these
secret programs and they
just admitted or announced it publicly
and there were some photos
and i just was interested and so
i never thought i'd see one of these
again
but i tried to explain this to people so
many times and they either didn't
believe me or say yeah yeah i'm sure
there is
and there it is there it is
it's like a biometric thing for the
hands yeah the beginnings of yeah i mean
it wasn't all that advanced back then
but yeah
that's it i can't believe you found a
picture of this i really can't
this was the scanner used to get in to
s4
and i tried to explain this to people so
many times that there was pins in
you stuck your hand a light above and it
supposedly measured the
length of the bones in your hand that
you know is unique
in each individual
it's exactly exactly how it was
yeah that's amazing it's amazing you
came up with these it's amazing to see
this again
back then this was the hot ticket
what does it feel like when these little
things that you said
become public and there's this tiny bit
of vindication it is there's little
moments of indication you know little
pieces here and there that you know
little i told you so
you know pop up every couple of years or
so but this is a big one
um so a lot of people said these didn't
exist and
you know it was some just
fanciful thing i came up with but yeah
this is exactly
it ideas are the most dangerous weapons
on the planet
they creep onto your skin dormant
volatile explosive
they attach to our collective
consciousness and then one day
man they bubble to the surface to assert
their power
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and when detonated life
is never the same again and we
immediately know
we're always wrong we're always
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wrong
i did not believe that this should be a
security matter some of it sure
but just the concept that there's
definite proof
we even have articles from another world
another system
you just can't not tell everyone
checking out lazar's credentials proved
to be a difficult task he says he earned
degrees in physics and electronics but
the schools we contacted say they've
never heard of him
he also said he worked as a physicist at
los alamos national lab
where he experimented with one of the
world's largest particle beam
accelerators
a half-mile long behemoth capable of
generating 700 million volts
los alamos officials told us they had no
records of a robert lazar ever working
there
they were either mistaken or were lying
a 1982 phone book from the lab
lists lazar right there among the other
scientists and technicians
a 1982 clipping from the los alamos
newspaper profiled lazar and his
interest in jet cars
it too mentioned his employment at the
lab as a physicist
we called los alamos again an
exasperated official told us
he still had no records on lazar eg
which is where lazar says he was
interviewed for the job at s4
also has no records it's as if someone
has made him disappear
one thing that people say about your
story and your experience is that
that you are a puppet a marionette that
you had no control over what was going
on
at that time that you're you are taking
advantage you're compromised and you're
being used as a source of disinformation
and what evidence to support that
right that yeah when what's the evidence
to support those claims
is that just something to say no i'm
just saying that's what
if you make a statement you have to have
some evidence to say where the statement
came from
you're basing it on emotion right and
fear and you're afraid that i'm right
tell me what you've heard that makes
this impossible
i'm trying to tell you exactly the way
things work
where is it show me the alternate
reality
that you believe that doesn't
lock up with my actual reality
i mean where are those other facts to
show me what they are
these facts you grabbed together and
painted a different story of my life
than i did
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i mean i thought i set the record
straight 30 years ago
can we ever be made whole if we're not
believed
if our life story is challenged by
consensus
most of us are not forced to answer for
our past we could freely navigate this
moment within a reverence
for what came before but some people are
placed under a microscope
their words their actions scrutinize the
challenge
and then they're told to quiet lies
how much can a man take before he
submits to the weight and consequence of
distrust
does he fade back into the shadows that
formed him
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or does he lash out to carve his words
into your
flesh
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i don't know what else can i say
what else can i say how can i prove
anything else at the worst case scenario
you lied for a girl or you lied to get a
job what does that mean about your story
you would think los alamos just hired me
out of high school
if you don't think that's possible
then something had to happen in between
i don't understand how everybody gets
so caught up in the minutia
because you can debate that stuff
forever
we can go back before mit and you can
start fighting
whether or not and where i lived in high
school
that is not going to translate into
answering the questions
and the things that i've brought into
the public eye
that's the important stuff it almost
seems like this is an intentional
distraction
you need to pay attention to the bigger
picture if you really want to research
all the other stuff
fine go ahead and do it but you really
need to pay attention to what i'm saying
because i have better things to do than
come up with this i'm not
interested in doing this i'm not like
i don't like being in the public eye i
don't have money for doing this
and quite frankly i could make up a
better lie but i have no motivation
to lie this hasn't this hasn't
helped me out what does that mean for
lazar's story
that we can't prove his schooling in
fact it was a problem i mean i had
i wondered can we go forward if
we can't verify what was going on in his
background
the central point for me was if he
worked at los alamos
that suggested he had to have an
education somewhere i think he said it
to me a couple of times you know what do
you think they hired me right out of
high school i looked at people who knew
him back then
jim taliani for one who said that yeah
bob went to caltech back then i dropped
him off
i interviewed another person who also
knew bob then and and said that he would
drop him off that cal tech would pick
him up from the library
that if he wasn't going to school there
he sure was making a good show of it
back then
would it prove his story about working
on flying saucers
if he could show he had degrees from
caltech at mit
no of course not it would not prove that
he worked on client saucers
it would just prove that he went to
school the people who
despise him and who doubt the story the
most the debunkers
would find something else to pitch about
bob got into some trouble
after he became a worldwide ufo
celebrity
he did a typical bob sort of a thing and
got mixed up with some hookers
he was helping them set up a little mini
brothel
in a neighborhood and when he told me
about it i thought oh my gosh
my professional life is flashing before
my eyes here the most
high profile witness and the biggest
story about i've ever done
is is now telling me he's involved in
this criminal enterprise he kind of
thought it was funny
uh but it wasn't funny to me so i said
you got to stop this stuff this you got
to shut this down
i called the cops i let some people know
look he made a mistake
it's being shut down they raided the
place arrested bob
and in those days there weren't many
people who were ever prosecuted and
arrested for pandering
lazar was so parole in probation
they're doing a background investigation
and they're going to make a
recommendation to the court what the
sentence
should be for his crimes he tells them
the same story where he went to school
where he worked s4 mit county
all that and they investigated they were
having the same problems that i was
having they couldn't verify a lot of
this stuff
if bob truly was
a ufo con man that was the time to come
clean
because parole and probation was ticked
off they thought he was misleading them
and as a result of that they were going
to recommend they did recommend that
he'd do hard time
go to prison he knew it that was the
time for him to come clean
because it was a much better chance that
he would not be sent to prison
he didn't he stuck to his story he told
them the same story that he told me
that went a long way for me in showing
that he had been telling the truth
because it was definitely in his own
self-interest
to fess up at that point and that's not
what he did he stuck to his guns
here's the thing okay i can see bob
lazar pranks the ufo world in the ufo
community i can see him doing something
like that
but does he lie to his mom and dad does
he lie to his wife
does he lie to all of his close friends
and tell them the same story and try to
get away with it
you look back on the people who knew him
while this was going on
who knew him before he was hired to work
out at s4
who knew him during the time he was
going back and forth out there
and who stuck by him after this
whirlwind of international publicity
kind of rained down on his head
everyone who knew him everyone who was
close to him supports this story and
says he's telling the truth
you saw something up there that you
think might have been i hate
i really hate to say stuff that i i
can't put my hands on and say this is
absolutely for sure what did you say
i walked down the hallway at one time i
was working out there and
um there were doors the doors that go to
the hangers the smaller doors from the
corridors
have a nine inch or you know 12 inch
square window with little wires running
through it just about head level
and now as well as i was walking by i
just glanced in and i noticed
at a quick glance there was there were
two guys in
white lab coats
facing me towards the door and they were
looking down and talking to
something small with with long arms now
i
i was just surprised as i walked by and
i only caught a glance but
i don't know what on earth that was
people say you saw an alien did you see
an alien at s4 bob
i don't think i saw an alien at s4 you
know we're
splitting hairs here this had to do with
a glance through a window
that i wasn't supposed to be looking at
anyway and
i'm still convinced i looked in the
window and i think
these guys had a doll um
in a small chair which was you know
similar to what was in the craft
and i think they were just looking at
dimensions and they put something in
there
and i just took it a glance and it was
just you know something tiny sitting in
the chair
i don't think there was an alley in
there posing for them you know i think
they just had a small
character or something and you know
doing measurements or something again
we're talking about
you know like a 400 millisecond glance
so now how much can you see out of that
i don't i never saw any aliens walking
around there i never heard anybody
saying anything about living aliens so
i don't think that was it but they did
have a nickname
for for the for the aliens the kids
the kids
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is someone else here maybe visitors
interested in us
in our genes and our souls
maybe we're property just a goddamn
commodity
we're like livestock maybe they'd like
our condors and cupcakes
become owner who are the top hat who the
knows
or maybe every single sighting of things
in the sky is a product of our
collective consciousness
the false hope that humanity desperately
needs intervention by external powers
we've always looked to the skies for
answers
instead of looking into ourselves
all right so when at what point describe
the evolution of your knowledge here i
mean did you realize that this thing
that you're working on came out of the
flying saucer
uh well of course i know that technology
doesn't exist at all
why uh well it doesn't take my word for
it
it it's a
it's just technology that doesn't exist
yet i mean you're talking about
that there is science doesn't even know
what gravity is
much less how to produce it or control
it
and here is a device that's producing it
and controlling it and using it as
propulsion so
you're telling me there's a different
physics that was your job you were
working on that
the science was something we were trying
to figure out but we knew
how the devices would operate you know
for instance the propulsion of the craft
everything that we have whether it's a
propeller plane
or a jet or a rocket
it throws something out the back either
high-speed exhaust
or a large volume of air it's an action
reaction force the action is you throw
something out the back
and it moves you forward so everything
works this is the first time
there's a craft that's it's a
reactionless craft
it's a field propulsion craft and what
it does is it creates a distortion
in space and time in front of it where
space
actually bends and my analogy to that
has always been
put a bowling ball in the middle of your
bed and then a foot in front of it take
your fist and
push down on the mattress the bowling
ball will roll towards it
and that's exactly how the craft works
it creates a distortion right in front
of it and the cat craft falls forward
there so there's a different physics
that well the science that explains how
the technology works
i mean it's all encompassed as one thing
alien technology and science
what is the big picture what are the
what is the takeaway
of your story after you're gone you're
not a rebel kid
with a with a jet car at los alamos
today today's a different
bob lazar right right what have we
learned what's what's the message of
your story
the big thing is the suppression of
extremely advanced
technology and the suppression
of unknown science that's it
those two things to me
is the only thing that's important about
what was going on out there
yeah and that there's another
civilization
and like i've said before that's a crime
not to tell humanity about that but
that's a separate
meaning that there is something
different in science
dramatically that we're not allowed to
know right
right that is a true statement yeah
that's a true statement
the fact that there is another
intelligent technologically advanced
civilization we have some of their
objects that is really the pinnacle
that there is another civilization in
existence
that's intelligent that we know about
and we actually have
artifacts from them that can operate so
i mean that's
that's a big big deal but in my mind
that's there's a lot to deal with that
however the science and the technology
can change us dramatically
it can change the way the entire world
operates the economy
everything so
those stick out in my mind as being
critically important
and we have it no we haven't
you don't have to believe it but we do
and you've seen it i've seen it
and you've touched it i've dismantled it
after you expose to it just for a little
while it begins to settle in your mind
these are normal things okay 115 belongs
there on the chart and all these
this flies and this is how gravity works
great just like someone being
from the 1800s being exposed to a car
for a few days he takes it for granted
very quickly
um the most shocking thing was when i
actually got to look inside the disc
the seats in the panel associated with
them
very small they were you know perhaps
that far off the ground like something
smart now you
if we had made something like that we
wouldn't have made it to fit
children it was uh it just led me to
believe
with the size of the alien cadavers i
saw
the size of the seats inside
memory is a mirage and mistress to
desire
shape-shifting and ethereal she's
inherently elusive and malleable
we acknowledge her if it suits our
fantasy in the moment
we fear her because she is unpredictable
as unpredictable
can we trust our own memories what if we
can
what if we can't what if we can
can we return to the scene of the crime
to extract hidden details
and to see more clearly what we thought
we saw
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i was told the rhythmic shouting and the
constant
threats that's a form of hypnosis when
did they
when did this happen well this happened
almost immediately
they started yelling and screaming at
you yeah
oh a fun place to work
well no like i said it was a it was a
terrible atmosphere to work in but when
you weigh that
with what you're going to be around and
uh
you know you'll basically go through
anything yell at me go ahead when can we
get back to the flying saucers so
you did hypnosis to try to recall
details from your employment and from
the physics
right of what you learned is that
correct
yeah that's correct with lane keck okay
and
did you recall anything yeah i did i
mean specifics things you might
might have missed i basically wanted to
try everything i could
to prove what i was saying so this is
just another tool
you're familiar with that hypnosis can
work yeah
to recall yeah and i i had had it done
to me before so i had
proven that yeah this really does do
something
let's try and remember some fine details
or you wanted to recall some physics
that you learned there
yeah i wanted i wanted to recall as much
as i possibly could i mean
so much went through my mind just
imagine all the things you were seeing
and everyone is completely fascinating
and something you haven't seen before
it's just data overload
so i was hoping that hypnosis would get
me relaxed enough where maybe
everything was packed so tight together
maybe i could just start thumbing
through things
and just pick up even a couple little
more tidbits to paint a bigger picture
and i could you know possibly explain
things better
or you know possibly locate some of
these other guys or
anything any bit of information so yeah
and it was pretty handy
so you did recall some things yeah
technically yeah
technical things and probably others too
more and more hypnosis is accepted
however there's still a lot of
misconceptions about it
like what oh they think that
you go into a trance and the hypnotist
does something and you don't remember it
and all of a sudden your life changes
and that's not the case at all there's
no mind control
happening
now just think about your head and relax
your hand
now what i want you to do is to get as
comfortable
as you possibly can and just
relax completely now double your
relaxation
and the number 100 will be there
one zero zero
double your relaxation and the number 99
will come right on
it
bob bob from this moment on
from this moment on you will recall and
remember the material
that you seek and no one or nothing past
presence or future will stand in your
way
bob bob
bob you will remember
because you desire to remember
to do it and remember
at one point
he was in hypnosis
i think it was drawing a reactor
he was trying to recall what was in the
books he saw it in the book
and then i told him well you'll come up
and open your eyes you'll be able to
draw
and he did but it didn't mean anything
to it
but it was a drawing
that he drew this way
but it was this way and so afterwards
he looked at it and he you know came
back over and sit down here
for a while and oh that's because
all i had to do is turn it so that's the
super conscious
and literal the subconscious takes
things literal right like it's like the
mind is absorbing all this stuff and
then he discovers what his mind had
absorbed
he's remembering yeah i was writing
so fast i i can't imagine what you
were thinking too because you're
discovering with them
that kind of shock what's the truth
hypnosis is the best possible tool
of getting to the truth if a person
makes things
up normally they can lie under hypnosis
just as easily as out of hypnosis
but if they're really trying to get to
and retrieve information then
it's the best tool that i know of
he came in to find out what he didn't
know we were able to
go back overcome the fear and bring
forth those memories
according to lazar his employer was the
united states navy he says he and other
government employees would gather near
eg and g
fly to groom lake then a very few people
would get into a bus with blacked out
or no windows and drive to s4 you get
off the bus what do you see
very interesting building it's got a
slope of
probably about 30 degrees the uh
which are hanger doors and it has
textured paint on it but it looks like
sand it's made to look like the side of
the mountain and it's in whether it's to
disguise it from satellite photographs
or what
he says he was never told exactly what
he'd be working on but figured it had
something to do with advanced propulsion
on his first day he was told to read a
series of briefings and immediately
realized how advanced the propulsion was
the power source is an antimatter
reactor
they run gravity amplifiers there's
actually
two parts to the drive mechanism uh
it's just it's a bizarre technology
there's no physical hookup between
any of the systems in there they use
gravity as a weight using wave guides
almost like microwaves polygrapher
terry tavernetti runs a corporate
security operation
and is a former los angeles police
officer he put lazard through
four tests and concluded there was no
attempt to deceive
and i left there thinking that i feel we
do have some credibility
to what the subject had to say
and that's when i went to some of my
colleagues cabernet sent the test
results to a third polygrapher who
agreed the results appeared truthful
bob has explained to me multiple times
he tried everything in his power
to prove his story i wanted to feel
better for myself
so i said hey would you be willing to
undergo a polygraph test he did not
hesitate he said yes
four different tests on four different
areas of bob's
uh claims and he said afterward there is
no
attempt to deceive at all he's telling
what he believes to be the truth
i have asked the question many times
over the years how did
bob lazar note this stuff if he wasn't
there he knew there was a place called
s4 i had called nellis air force base
public information office they confirmed
for me there really was a place called
s4 now there's no news story prior to
bob lazar
about any place called s4 he knew about
it he also knew
that dg and g had arranged to hire
personnel that if you were going to get
get a job out of grilled length eg was
the company that you would go through he
knew
that there had been uh investigators at
his home for the background check do you
remember
the guy's name it was an odd name mike
thinkpen now how did he know
how did he know that mike big ben works
for a federal agency that does this
stuff
after 30 years and this guy dodging you
i found mike thigpen i found fig picture
that's amazing i couldn't believe it
he's he's on the east coast i called him
i've talked with him multiple times you
know he won't go on camera
because he doesn't want to kind of put a
dark shadow upon the work that he did
before but
personally he conveyed to me that that
was his job
that was exactly what he did in las
vegas in 1989
and in fact he remembers bob lazar the
most important thing bob knew
is that they were flying something that
looks exactly like a flying saucer
over papua's lake and they flew him on
wednesday nights
and he took people out there three weeks
in a row and showed it to him
and at least once maybe twice they
recorded it on video
that's real how did bob know that there
have been no stories about
test flights of flying saucers at
papoose lake and by the way that's where
it was it wasn't over a group lake it
was over pat bruce lake
we checked out so many details that bob
had told us
that turned out to be true the existence
of s4
element 115 really did become an element
years later that bob had been consulted
by
the lab which first synthesized man-made
element 115
there was a whole long string of things
that he knew
that checked out these milestones along
the way no matter how much we nitpick it
apart
no matter how much people don't want to
believe it the evidence that he's
telling the truth outweighs the evidence
that he's not
well i agree with you and if i did not
believe that i would not still
be working on the story i would not be
publicly defending bob lazar
what was your function of working on
this you were doing what
what was your job we were
to reverse engineer the power and
propulsion system
of this craft and see if it can be
duplicated
with available materials
i just want to go over with you what it
is
that you saw to draw it out for people
to make a sketch
as you're seeing it as if you're there
at that moment you got to go back in the
past
it's the thing i termed the sport model
underneath this floor there are
three
three large centrical devices
these are on mounts that allow them to
completely swivel
up to 180 degrees and in 360 degree
rotation
directly above each one it's a small
rectangular
object this is on the floor above
and these are the gravity amplifiers
themselves
looking down from the top
you'd have the center in the very center
there is a small
reactor surrounding this
in three equally spaced
areas are the amplifiers so this is
looking at it sideways this is looking
at it down from the top
and under these amplifiers underneath
the floor below are the gravity emitters
so it's the reactor here powering the
gravity amplifiers
gravity amplifiers output goes into the
gravity emitters at the bottom
and the resulting gravity beam or
anti-gravity
wave can be much
put anywhere you want to
there was another level up here now i
had access and was permitted
to view and look at the operation of
this main level with the gravity
amplifiers
and the level below the gravity emitters
there is a level above
which consisted of these two areas that
i'm not
all that familiar with i assume they
used to be
some sort of navigational
engine people call these large
black rectangular areas on the top
portholes i believe they were
some planar sensor array that
just took in information from the
surrounding area
whether it be patterns of stars or
what have you uh and there was their
version
of a computer or something to make
determinations here
that takes input from those sensors and
then let the craft know how to orient
itself
and where it was in space so
that's what i assumed to be up there i
don't know for a fact again that was not
part of my job and i was only led to
believe that
the center antenna is really an
extension
of the reactor in the center and that's
a wave guide
which allows the the emission of the
gravity wave which forms
kind of a heart shape over the whole the
whole craft
that's how it creates its distortion
these uh
gravity emitters can be swung all the
way up to 180 degrees
and this allows the craft to essentially
stand
on two of them and hover while this one
swings up and creates a distortion
in front of it allowing the craft to
slide forward
so that's how their low power mode
uh omicron configuration operate
the delta configuration uses all three
and unlike science fiction movies where
you see
flying saucers just flying along like
that they actually fly belly first
the craft flies along leaves the
atmosphere of the planet
it turns its belly to the destination
the three amplifiers
focus in on the destination and that's
how it proceeds
so that's basically the operation of it
and overall how things were laid out
inside the craft this is an alien
spacecraft
right right obviously
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so
the guy that promised not to say
anything i won't say anything about
the ufos the article is titled
the opal guy in spotlight
thanks dude isn't that when after this
came in there then the
fire department police the
zoning commission everybody descended on
our house i wanted to know
here's lab supplier and controversy
so originally the the thing was supposed
to be about what what did the guy
say the article the hydrogen car i think
well the race
it was about the raid
yeah that's why lab supplier and
controversy yeah
the raid in new mexico
and the guy called you know i said hey i
heard about the raid and all that can i
come and
you know do that and then he says are
you bob lazar that guy
area 51 guy i said yeah but
i don't want to get into that this is
something more important he said oh yeah
we don't even mention it no problem
literally your house was taken over by a
swat team
yeah yes don't just send a letter in the
mail or call us
right have the whole swat team and
invite themselves to our home
hidden things are the most seductive
secrets
reach deep into our desire
they titillate and torment us like a
ticking clock
or a distant alarm with no origin they
agitate us and force us to react
they endanger our complacency efficiency
there is a missing element to your faith
but that's the nature of faith
that there is something out there that
offers the promise of salvation
salvation
your call has been forwarded to an
automated voice messaging system
at the tone please record your message
hey jeremy it's bob lazar listen i have
something to ask you
something's really come up that's
important
if you would text me and let me know
when is a good time to call you
i don't want you to call me i just need
to run something by you
okay thanks bye
all right so the only record of this is
going to be on the audio on this one
file
and then this video clip i'm not going
to cut it i'm going to let it run
understood okay then what i'm going to
do is i'm going to encrypt it
and i'm going to put both of those two
files into an encrypted thing
to not be touched unless we decide it
should be touched that's fine
okay it'll be on two drives but that
those two files will both be an
encrypted folder
so here's the deal
did you ever get a piece of element 115
out of los alamos
i know how much monitoring they do with
me i'm sure it's virtually
none after all this time well the same
thing hold on a second let me um
do you have your phone on you yes um
let's at this point
uh take our phone let me just throw let
me put them in the ground over there
i'll turn mine off
i mean maybe this has been kept from us
for a good reason a lot of people agreed
to keep this secret so first of all who
am i to upset it
and second of all well might outthink
these guys maybe they went over all
these scenarios already and they know
how up everything will be so
there's no guarantee that this
revelation is going to make everything
great
there's just as much chance it's going
to make everything terrible and i'll be
to blame for that
they identified themselves as fbi and
they said you're bob lazar right and
then you know one of them got on
the radio saying yeah he's here
apparently they also had my house take
down
and they were deciding whether or not to
go
there the conveyor belt of vehicles
and agents and police did not stop
the whole thing it was like a twilight
zone episode
they came in and then they said there'll
be a few other people coming here just
got a couple
questions to ask you in a short time the
street filled up with
vehicles and the building completely
filled
with agents it was really something else
did they identify themselves initially
as yeah
it was fbi identified themselves then
came in
state police and a few other
agencies i don't remember who but um
there were a lot a lot standing room
only in
in the building it was it was crazy yeah
they had like a forensic truck
they had a bunch of different agents
they gridded off the building i mean
obviously they're
they're looking for something yeah yeah
and what they said they were looking for
some
paperwork an old order from two years
ago about a customer that uh
you know ordered some potentially toxic
material
which they could have called for
but uh this was certainly way over the
top
i looked up to select the right key and
they were right beside me
it was quite surprising considering you
could see all around here
and there would generally have to be a
vehicle or something somewhere
but i just pulled up got out picked the
key and then
they started talking from behind me i
thought that was really strange
of course it got much stranger as the
day went on what got stranger about it
well just the
sheer amount of people that came
agency after agency i mean they had
computer experts here going through
you know all the computer equipment we
had here they had people
sectioning off the building labeling it
in cubic meters so they can search each
one
you know what they're looking for was
just a an order form
so very strange
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you've been raided two times twice
by more agencies than i can really
recall the fda
to the nrc the fbi
but they they usually come in in mass
and it's hard to pick out who's who
so this is beryllium yeah
and what is it used for again it's used
in aerospace it's very lightweight
quite strong and
high temperature metal do you think that
you
you were shaken down to some degree
you're being with i don't think
they're just
with me i'm convinced there's
ulterior motives
i firmly suspect that there's a lot more
to it
than they're saying that they're looking
for
something else
what they're supposed to do is tie you
up put you in the middle of the room
have everyone watching you so that you
can't you know
collaborate a story or you know try to
trick them or whatnot
so they just kept kept us all in
separate rooms this bomb squad
uh computer squad i think they have like
a
biological hazard squad hazmat squad
everyone made the full gamut because
they had no idea
um what we had in our shop or like what
we're capable of or are we going to
retaliate or anything like that
so it was pretty much like the full
michigan fbi it was here i mean they had
the van
they had multiple cars lined up you know
so
i mean in looking at bob's life there's
always this suspicion
that there's something more going on on
shaking him down because he had that
experience before
yeah so this is the second time that i
know of that he's gotten raided so
he's always had like this kind of
knowledge that there's somebody watching
no matter what he does there's always
somebody watching you
and it does have to be related to the
area 51 stuff and all that
you know they kind of put them on the
list i think they do like tony with them
and keeping an eye on them
but i don't believe that it's like
they're opening up a 30 year old file
and they're like all right we're going
to crack down on the bob story we're
going to find out if he had what he has
what information he's got i don't think
that they're necessarily doing that
but i do think that there's like a
culture maybe within these agencies that
they know who this guy
is and they'll have you know they'll
look for any reason that they can to
kind of
you know poke him with some thorns and
make sure that he knows you know who's
watching him
i i believe that it's too coincidental
for it all to be just you know
you know just some luck of the draw
basically like there's there's something
going on
everybody knows the story is that you
got some element 115
out of los alamos that that's public
knowledge something you said
a while back do you think that what
happened
had to do with with that when i go in
there
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are they trying to shake you down to
find
the 115 that you said 30 years ago that
you got out of the lab people are going
to ask that
so let's just address that if you feel
comfortable addressing it
no do not feel comfortable addressing
that no i don't feel comfortable
addressing
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you would think after 30 years who cares
what i have to say
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i i'm more convinced than ever that the
key to the story is
element 115. if you could get to that
piece
and have it independently analyzed i
think it would prove beyond all question
that it came from somewhere else we
didn't make it
and it would go a long way towards
establishing the story that was told by
bob lazar
as truth so i think about that a lot i
think about the cloud chamber experiment
i get a lot of emails from people who
say oh god where's this video you owe it
to the world to show this video
cough it up and i tell them look i've
looked for it i've got all these boxes
of crap
and stuff and tape and news clippings
and i've looked for it and i can't find
it
but when somebody like you comes and
talks to me about the bob lazard story
it gets the juices flowing in you know i
can't help it i'm human and
and and right now i want to go find that
tape
i went through every tape that bob had
in his personal home archive and one
of those tapes on the outside in tiny
tiny little scribble
said cloud chamber and lo and behold
there's about just less than a minute
of that cloud chamber test on tape i
haven't
people have been so pissed at me over
the years i can't find that tape or they
think i'm hiding it on purpose but
i've looked everywhere for it and uh if
you found it that's awesome
i did now here's the deal in typical you
know bob lazar fashion
there's only about a minute of it
however after all these years 30 years
we have some footage of it but it
doesn't prove because
it's recorded i was there the night that
they
they did the chamber test i couldn't
tell you what it was i didn't know what
a cloud chamber was this
beam of light was bent and it was bent
because they had element 115 in in this
part of the experiment
i said well that's pretty important that
would be huge to include in the story
i spent time trying to understand why
everybody was saying this 115 being
stabilized is pseudoscience
so i called some of the top heavy
element physicists
on the planet from from russia to up in
san francisco
to washington dc and i spoke with you
know about eight or nine
but three in particular who would really
talk to me in depth about it
all of them across the board said you
cannot rule out
a stabilized version of element 115 in
fact
that we believe it is theorized that it
in the island of stability that it would
and could and probably does exist we so
their way of saying is
we can't rule it out so all these people
saying
that is pseudoscience what bob said
about element 115 i wanted to find out
is it pseudoscience and definitively we
cannot rule out a stabilized form of
element 115.
i'm sorry it is not pseudoscience and
after
doing this research you know that that
argument no longer holds water
makes perfect sense that it could be
stable and scientists have said it for a
long time
so of course you can't rule it out again
if you want
to disbelieve bob if you want to cross
him off the list and say he's a fraud
then you your research goes one inch
deep
and you say element 115 as he described
it can't exist
and then move on if you want to be
honest about it
and and dig further into it and
understand it
then you're going to find out that in
fact what bob says
does make sense it can be true
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element 115 was what we would call the
fuel what provided the power for the
reactor to work
what happens with gravity and 115.
element 115 affects gravity
element 115 produces its own
gravitational
energy it had a very specific
manufacturing technique
i don't really know how that information
came to be
its code name was la
1000 that's what it was referred to
off-site it's purpose
was supposed to be again this is just a
code and deception
was supposed to be an advanced armor
so it's an unusual material so now we
can take it
to a national lab this is la-1000
classified material
it's a very advanced armor that takes
care of all weird questions
so you know immediately start operating
on lies
this
fuel is in
the form of a
just a three-dimensional thin triangle
little rounded edges
it's somewhat copper in color
you know that reddish brownish
the way this is manufactured is really
critical
it's not just cut out of a heavy sheet
of material a cylinder
of this material is taken
this is machined
into a cone so this is
the outer part is shaved off using a
lathe or something like that
until you have a three-dimensional cone
once you have the cone
it's sliced
like this
and these slices become that
now even this starting piece
a solid cylinder is not even a solid
cylinder
it consists of many discs
stacked up
and these are fused together to produce
that and all of these steps are
necessary
to produce a successful triangle that
brings fuel so actually you know if you
were to look at how this came to be
this would actually be pieces of all
these disks
that were cut at unusual angles
now apparently if you don't do all this
that doesn't work
so unfortunately that's the extent of my
knowledge on this
this makes no sense anywhere
but that's what it takes for it to
operate now with the alien technology
that was present in the craft it takes
that basis that extra gravitational
energy
in a small reactor amplifies it
through the equipment there directs it
through the waveguides and archways into
the emitters
and allows it to propel the craft
and manipulate the gravity wave for
whatever use they want
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how can this be true i don't believe a
word of this
do you expect people to believe this no
i'm not going to change anyone's mind
that's not my intention i'm just
i'm just relaying the experience the job
that i went through
it is a fantastic thing it's a fantastic
story but it's true
it's true these crafts came from another
not
not just another planet another solar
system entirely extremely far away
and they're here
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i mean i've been making fireworks since
i was 12
and professional fireworks for at least
20 years
fireworks are just fun they're artistic
it's like cleaning the sky
controlling a large amount of energy has
always been impressive
since the new york times story broke
since
those videos went public the world is
now
talking about ufos in a more serious
vein
i think that's a good thing and i think
it reflects positively on
bob lazar's story and i hope that the
world will take another look at it
thus the jet bike the jet car
yeah to take you know a large amount of
energy which would normally
be thought to be out of control to take
that
and harness it and have it do what you
want it's always been impressive to me
the easy way out is to say he's a liar
he's making it up
it's hard to go ahead and accept the
possibility that he's telling the truth
but if i did not believe it if
i thought for a moment that he was lying
about it
i'd be done with it i wouldn't still be
supporting it 30 years later
your life has been under a microscope
every word you've said for 30 years
recorded has been under a microscope and
that's that's affected you yeah of
course it is it affect anybody
how has it affected you in the way i
talk and how much i do
i'd rather not you know in a public
forum i'd rather just not
say anything why do you think people are
so obsessed with
every word that you say about your
experiences
you know working they're just looking
for a way to
to look for an inaccuracy and and to be
able to discount the whole thing
oh he said this one time and said it's
slightly different this time
you know obviously he's making it up no
that's just the first word that entered
my mind
you know i don't put that much thought
into it what i'm saying
look as as much as a lot of people hate
it
this stuff really happened i mean if it
bothers you
that's too bad i think that's just hard
for people to accept i mean so
yeah it would be look i fully understand
i would feel the same way
i'm not sure i would believe my story
boy there's not enough evidence
you know but uh i couldn't discount it
either
the fact is
i hope that one thing that comes across
in your film
is the real bomb once you get to know
him
becomes much more plausible as a story
he's not lying to his mom and his wife
and all his friends
he's not lying in the ufo world either
you saw alien ships
yeah you worked on a gravity wave
amplification system
trying to figure it out right a
propulsion system and a power source
that's completely unknown to mankind
and there's no way human beings could
have made it there is no way human
beings could have made it under any
circumstances in any country
anywhere period and and for 30 years you
you are telling us the truth you bet
this happened
you got it you know the fact is that
that raid that happened
in michigan that's a very dramatic and
very important development
they weren't there looking for records
about some customer he had a couple of
years ago
they were looking for 115. when you
bring
two dozen agents and investigators at
the
crime lab analysis and you can bring
people to duplicate the whole computers
all that stuff they're looking for
something else
sure as hell are not looking for a minor
receipt
people may not believe that 115 is real
but somebody does
because that's what they came to look
for you know if you want to
you want to cross it off and you don't
want to believe it fine i don't care
anymore
whether people believe it or not but
bob's telling the truth
and once you realize that it changes
everything for you
changed everything for me
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to crack a life open it it seems to
dissect the exam and its content is
unnerving
like the reading of almonds by viewing
the intros
we all tell our own stories
sometimes we even believe them and
sometimes
we tell them one last time time
if you don't believe it that's your
brother problem
but you do it that is up to you
well i am telling the truth i i've tried
to prove that
uh what's going on up there could be the
most important event in history
you're talking about contact physical
physical contact and proof from another
another system another planet and other
intelligence
that's got to be the biggest event in
history period and it's real
and it's real it's there and i had
an extremely small part in it but i'm
convinced that what i saw is absolute
proof of that there is there is no way
we could have created those systems
there's no way we could have made the
discs the power supplies anything to go
says he has no intention of going on any
ufo lecture circuit
he's not looking to do any additional
interviews in fact he wasn't too crazy
about doing this one
he did it after certain unfavorable
things started happening in his life
and he did it because he feels that
whoever is running the show up at s4
is perpetrating a fraud on the american
people and on the scientific community
we intend to have much more about this
story about the operation up there on
monday and beyond
this is by no means the end of this
series of reports in fact on monday
including in our story there support
testimony from
other people who say they have knowledge
of the flying discs at the test site
and information from people who know
lazar very well and insist his story is
true if indeed they have these flying
saucers george it
seems to be really hard to keep it so
safe here well uh yeah it's
it would seem that way except for as
lazar asked his superiors up there they
say it's the easiest secret in the world
to keep
it's leaked out many times before and
nobody believes it
what's what's the navy saying about all
of this of course the navy is supposed
to have been his his employer and we
have put some fairly pointed questions
and
questions to them of course number one
it may not be the navy at all
information is so compartmentalized up
there no one is exactly sure who is in
charge
we have uh put the questions to several
navy departments the answers thus far
have been unsatisfactory we've applied
for more information through the freedom
of information act
and that information will be revealed on
monday as well you believe his story
don't you
yeah i do yeah i've got to know him
pretty well over the last couple of
months and uh
i believe he's telling the truth
fascinating stuff
thanks george