good afternoon, dear friends, today we are here on
April 20, 2021, and our guest
is the head of the
civil aviation department of Latvia,
Vladimir Biryukov, good afternoon, Vladimir
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today we will talk about aviation and there
will be many interesting questions hair
what year were you in your position
Minister of Aviation Latvia
I was the head of the department of vegan
aviation in Latvia from 1980 to 1989,
as far as I remember, it was at this time that
a story happened with a girl, once the girls
cut off their legs or the Lithuanians did not give
the plane malaysia, it was you who took the
responsibility to give the girl a plane and take
her away for the operation in Moscow it
was like that until in three words
the military pilots flew off by helicopter to pick
her up to where she lived in the area of ​​the street I was
not helped by the name and the
settlement they brought her to Siauliai
she was in a helicopter it was urgently necessary to
evacuate her to Moscow where they could
have done one operation on her and
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well, at about one in the morning the dispatcher
who
works in Riga called me and said that a
situation had arisen that Lithuania
could not allocate a plane, the boss
did it or just someone,
but they could not find a plane in order
to transporting a girl muscles the
issue is being resolved, that is,
the issue needs to be resolved is that we can give the plane
before the morning, we have the opportunity to have a reserve
crew ready to fly, we just need
your permission for a
long time, we don’t have to think about this
decision to make immediately before we need to
fly, I made this decision, she
had Let
’s say this is an ambiguous consequence; at
that time, such a decision
was still not easy to make; there were
certain expenses behind it; the arable land was there
at this military airfield,
although everything was agreed upon, but however, the
consequences, as time has shown, at first
they reacted to this with caution,
and I remember well that during the first
month, this issue was somehow not
discussed, but many people were
incredulous about it,
that is, you understand them, this did not
need to be done, and somewhere in August
when journalists from the
magazine Ogonyok came here and did a big
interview with me then with the head of the
aviation of the Latvian military aviation, then they
later published
such information somewhere in September to the whole
country,
I believe that it was impossible to do otherwise
after this decision of yours, you were
given some kind of certificate or, on the contrary,
demoted in the position and that they were eliminated,
and they didn’t give a grenade, only the owner is
very good, you have such a large
number of flight hours, you are also a pilot,
and in connection with this, I have a question about
some objects, maybe you
saw strange or strange clouds in the sky
or countries, objects and well, those
objects that you clearly understood that
this is not from our civilization of an object
to say that I didn’t see anything for the body,
it’s difficult to then determine that it happens
sometimes such a distance, so I personally myself
when I worked Transbaikalia when flying out of a
city such as I read to the north areas
in the area of ​​the test site those limbo let's say there were
explosions of powerful rockets there how to
determine what it is that the statement
was believed exploded exploded
throughout all my further
activities maybe I did not encounter
any other anomalous
phenomena because after all I don’t have
one a lot of flying time and I didn’t fly that
often,
my route here was mainly only
at night in Moscow
or on some weekend, let’s say
in mineral waters,
I flew so but from conversations with the flight
personnel who were here I
had to hear from them like this but
now even those who could, what kind
of clarity if you bring it up,
many are no longer there and then age 82 1
remember something on but he remembers that it
was in the Minsk area
with a crew, let’s say from history another
says no, I remember that in the eighty-
first year in the month of May with by the crew of the
Latvian Latvian crew this happened
when you from Rokiškis and before
descending to land, the time he saw on
his right side a trapezoidal
silvery body that changed
its trajectory of its movement and was either
approaching the plane, then moving away from
it, or overtaking its crew should
about this is on the ground, but today
so much time has passed that I
even tried to talk to some of the pilots,
but I couldn’t find at least who it was
from the crews, because
when I tried to talk to these crews, in
fact they had already been
to the committee and they signed a
non-disclosure agreement, it was customary
before, they get along with what size the
butt was, the object you are
talking about, who saw the
memory class, now I remember the pilot, they said that
he exceeded the permissible possibility of
comparison with an airplane by three to four times,
so of course for them it was the same
unpleasant, but they knew the recommendations
that were given earlier, but they did not approach him
and they did not talk to each other, they
began their actions, that is, they began to
descend and land, and as
soon as they began to descend, he
disappeared, maybe he had already become for them
not interesting for this, but if
I tell you another more vivid
case, I have a co-pilot who was formerly
familiar to him, the truth 72 stole, I remember that in the
eighty-fifth year they were returning on
some kind of flight and in the Vyazma area they were
accompanied, also at first they did not
understand him that this restored
visibility it wasn’t very good, but it
seemed to them that some object
was moving and they were convinced that, well,
then when he
fired a narrowly directed beam at the side of this plane, then they
realized that there were
no narrowly directed beams coming out of the clouds, and this was
precisely from such an
unidentified flying object. Well, he
also accompanied them for a short time, just as he
disappeared from sight, everyone where he was and how,
and no one needed to know about it,
because it may be from the realm of
some kind of science fiction, yes, but I
remember well the last incident, which was
not clearly etched in my memory this is in the Minsk area, the
Estonian crew of the Tu-134 plane and
they saw some kind of
unidentified flying object and decided to
approach it as soon as they made
a maneuver on its side, he took it and irradiated them with
some kind of beam after that I don’t know
what the dacha was, well, definitely sexual, that
during the first two years I don’t know the reason,
but the commander, co-pilot and navigator
died of an unknown disease, this
can be checked even now;
only one flight mechanic survived,
either they irradiated them or what, I do
n’t know and why more often, I think it was
due to the fact that some showed
restraint and others showed
great belligerence, I can say, so sometimes there are
clouds,
they are also layers, they
mix with each other due to the fact that there is
air, not only about the direction there
is a convention there, and these here
layers sometimes refract the sun's rays and
especially at sunset so that the
impression is created that
the earth is on top of or, say, somewhere under
it you are flying, these were such things
that were associated precisely with some kind of
reflections from the clouds,
I don’t know how this happened, but in the
area of ​​​​birds, I had such a case on
August 1st, I could even close my eyes and then
open them again to make sure that we
were flying normally, so that’s what you
yourself I can say so Lesha
how much I love chiks for a very long time, we too,
because most of us didn’t see this and didn’t
everyone probably manages to
see something, and not everyone will be behind it 12
it’s all by chance Volodya, well, it
turns out that the KGB
clearly knew that
alien civilizations existed, and they also had
clear instructions for the pilots,
which the pilots didn’t even want if they
they saw some flying objects, they did
n’t even want to talk about it so that
this recording wouldn’t go before and after and
immediately as soon as they found out about it,
lunch had already arrived, they were taken away, they had a conversation
and were
forced to sign documents that
they were disclosing, but it turns out that it’s kind of
great knew that there were
extraterrestrial civilizations, but this information
was not allowed to people
for what reasons do you think and
I think that you people slept peacefully and then this
must also be attributed to this in its time,
because a lot of tests were carried out by the
Soviet Union related to the
development laser weapons,
these rays they are tori could cause
certain,
let’s say, visions in the same pilots or in
other people, this is not denied
indeed during that period of time when
these years 80 85 this is more connected with the fact
that the same laser was actually being developed
and the phenomenon could there are different things to happen, but the
fact that the committee did not recommend, let’s say,
disclose such information, well, it
was probably generally accepted in the
country, more than half of the information was
closed until I know, let’s say that hardly anyone
could find out about the disasters that
occurred, let’s say, in aviation and in the
Latvian Soviet aviation that is,
allied aviation, and now it’s considered,
well, think about life, something happened somewhere, it’s
already known about it, but whether it’s correct,
I don’t know, it seemed more correct to me
that there was no need to release information about
it, give information about it, that’s when
2 electric trains also collided in the Moscow region about 80 the
second year or eight out of 3 and
right 400 people died there, well, why
give this information to the whole country, I
don’t know, or when in the Ufa area two
trains passed at the same time and there a
gas pipe burst and accumulated in the
lowlands, his eye exploded from the fact that
some kind of spark happened,
500 people also died. I need this information.
I don’t know if I have my own
doubts. Well, in the twentieth year, now they
slowly began to give facts, for example,
Chaim 6, who heads the
Israeli space program, said that he has been cooperating with aliens for a long time
and
uses their technology, it’s probably
time to disclose this
information to people
since such people are already declaring this in the
Duma more so we used to be
more open about these things, our
scientists say most often when they did
some kind of analysis on unidentified
flying we didn’t use the information
that was openly published in journals in the West,
but we didn’t have that, and
therefore, even using their publications
in scientific journals, we couldn’t
afford to say that we have the
same thing, and I told you also in passing, it
can q background relate Yes, well, at that
time, I was more interested in
stories like this:
the journalist Mukhortov riot policeman Pavel was here, at
one time he ended up in Perm, he was
interested in this Roman triangular, as they
call it there, before the
anomalous zone in which, well, this is
very difficult to explain and from memory
it was now,
well, I read it, but the fact that he identified one
place where he could go up and make a
wish, as he put it, which was bound to
come true, that’s what
this refers to, whether it’s just an anomalous
zone, or whether it’s connected with these
unidentified flying objects, yes, he
couldn’t explain either, but he came up and
seemed to put his head in this space
and said I want to join the
cosmonaut corps, well, he didn’t say that he
wanted to fly into space and he entered the
cosmonaut corps,
but because of that that then the
destruction of this
Soviet system had already occurred and the state had disappeared and was completely
returned safely,
this I know well, to connect this, well, I
think that it is impossible to separate this either,
because after all,
anomalous zones exist and it seems
that these
unidentified flying objects could get into them, the
same the story itself repeats itself all the time,
it is often now with Dyatlov
and the Dyatlov Pass was named by everyone, I remember
the pilot with whom I studied, he
flew in a helicopter, Patrushev, well, what can I say to
explain this today it is
still not possible how he died and he
died because he I knew a lot about this,
how these people got into such a story that
they were all destroyed literally in one
sitting, as they say, and
maybe this is due to the fact that at that
time there was no such
generalized attitude towards what was
actually happening; we were
often told that the crew was
imagining it, but he needs to think
about whether he’s competent, maybe there’s something wrong with his
head, so many
people tried not to talk about it, but
today they talk about it and don’t have any trouble for it.
Volodya worked in Peru for a
while they talked about
how something interesting was there when you
flew over 1 saw some kind of feasting
on pure tours
when work ends when you
no longer know what to do next and the
system in which you grew up and
was brought up or worked is no longer there and
I won’t remember that I had the same comrade of an
adventurous character,
they bought An-2 planes here as
accidents on the deck and sent them to Peru,
they created a company there and it was called Romanu,
they offered me to be the chief pilot there, I
agreed, the difference is somewhere or so
that I was the head of the department, it did
n’t bother me, I always flew and we flew there, we did
n’t organize it there right away,
of course, then we started flying, and when
we were there, the base was there called such a
place, sorry alga, it should have been
located on the Mavrin River Rios Know
God Riga Marilla and Here is the spitting image of taste for
sometimes everyone at the oak flights were such
a piece in general a very interesting city
in its own way about it and
she doesn’t speak in her native language than it was for us
we flew at the limit of its
capabilities the An-2 plane it generally
had a maximum altitude of 5000
to take off it could with a huge excess of
no more than 3,600, that was just a piece of
high-mountain destruction 3,600 they chose a small
load then it would be possible to fly and we
often carried foreign tourists
who hired a plane to fly around
they have such a
landmark there, the mountain of Machu Picchu
is called this is the last place of the king
Incas who went to the mountains from the advancing
Spanish civilization from the conquistadors and
settled there for the
time being, or maybe a permanent
refuge now, and this mountain is higher
than his grandfather, well, within 2800 meters,
at the top of it there is a city, there are clearly
visible buildings leading to it,
such a very it’s difficult and the railway
was built by the French when it pressed because
these are slopes up into the mountains and we brought
tourists with us, we opened the doors of these,
especially the Japanese, they are very
inquisitive and tied it to the fans so
that it wouldn’t fall out and he
was filming this thing with a camera, I saw it myself
the tourists who are below on this Machu Picchu are
waving at us just around this mountain a couple of
circles you have made
back a taste for this is when you fly so
you see a gorge with a gradual increase in height and
you see that this is the crater from which it
was formed we are clearly not of earthly
origin but it is already arranged like this
that in the crater there were benches carved out like an amphitheater
and
let’s say there were more of the same type, now we’ll
say artifacts or something like that,
yes, but it’s very difficult to imagine that people did it
because I remember the first
impression, we arrived and went
on a tour and they showed us this
wall, I don’t remember its purpose now,
but the blocks are like this, I think they are larger than
our foundation blocks and they are
stacked on top of each other, so for us
the question immediately arises: there is no mortar,
nothing is visible in there, and people
will either take the razor blade away this is the
plane of you and they try to question it
but it doesn’t go so well it was
once upon a time, maybe thousands of years ago or
maybe it was built more, what else
could have been seen there, let’s say from the
edge when we were flying from the airport,
did we go there when we were ferrying planes
to this place future work we went through
partial this empty one
on which there are various kinds of
drawings of a large bird depicted with
wings and and
let’s say the beak or nose is directed strictly
at some kind let’s say
to the north or south under now
I don’t remember these details here the edges we saw
this figure wing and then when
we look at the magazines that existed there at that time,
we can be convinced
that such things really exist, to
say something more, I think
that we have seen enough there, but
no one else is another world, let’s pour out
tapkins the engineer who worked for on
NASA and the US Navy and witnessed
negotiations through a secret communication channel from the
second
with the astronauts of the Apollo 11 mission, he
claims
and there is video evidence of this that on
the moon there was a fight with a reptile on the other
side of the moon there were objects that they
were able to see with the help of
not sawing therms probes that flew
around the moon and he claims that the moon is a
laboratory,
they are our moon and claims that there were
hundreds of three-meter reptilians and ships
that were their ships that were not
placed on the ground but hung above the ground
and hovered so that’s what you Volodya think about it
in general you see, tire, in general, I
have already found several, say, opinions
that existed in the world, well, at one
time, even the same Americans, after the flight
to the moon of the same Apollo, released a film
called Capricorns,
where
this flight was completely questioned, that it was all staged, that
in fact then in fact it was done and what happened
when these cosmonauts returned the
first thing that they were decided at first but as if
who participated in this experiment
to destroy yes it was the Americans then
these buildings I remember we had such a
professor as he was called on genres
that he really loved to write and well, not about
what objects exist there, but where did
he get this information from in Russia there
was no such information in Russia there was a satellite
that traveled on the moon, but it was also
limited in its maneuvers, it didn’t
drive crazy and last year it was
powered by landing its
flying here is an umbrella or a laboratory on the
far side of the moon, maybe they are
deliberately hiding the information that is there,
but it seems to me that they simply have nothing to
say about this, I cannot unequivocally
relate to the fact that
reptilians probably exist, since
let’s say such respected people talk about it,
but as a mechanism transformation into
a person or let’s start agreeing with this
when I’ve never seen this in my life and
didn’t know, of course it’s not very difficult, but
probably there is no smoke without fire,
some possible bases
exist because the Americans don’t
just even if they visited there and
closed for 30 years or even more into this
program, it’s simple and only now we’re
starting to get ready for it again, Palladio
is next, the last question I’ll ask
you is the current understanding of the topic of the secret
space program, here an extremely
complex
secret space program may
exist that not even all
states may know about. I think that
now the secret is becoming clear no more
than yesterday or even a day ago,
the government of the Russian Federation
published such data of intentions
that they are stopping interaction with
American
cosmonauts from NASA and in two years
they plan to close the laboratories about which
Soviet flights are being carried out today,
depending on Russian-American de pages,
what's ahead, what's ahead, whether it was
earlier than
time or whether it's separate, but Russia
is going to conduct new space experiments separately or jointly with
China,
then I just can't
imagine I don't have some
information about this, thank you
Volodya very much for the interview It was very
nice to talk to you, thanks to me
too