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feature
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good evening on your screens again a
talk show with a new topic for frank
conversation,
this topic has always been interesting to the public
because the dispute between theologians and
materialists about the existence of an
afterlife will last forever and who knows,
maybe we will come closer to an explanation
this phenomenon, if we talk to people
who have been abroad,
I invite to the studio participants in the program of
people who have experienced clinical death
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we present to you the participants in today’s
program, Igor Aleksandrovich,
in the ninety-first year, due to a
myocardial infarction, he experienced
clinical death,
was in intensive care prostrate and and
returning to in real life, Wanda seemed
painful and unpleasant to him
at the age of 19; a
difficult birth lasted more than three
days and, as a result of the doctors’ blunder,
blood poisoning caused her to be sent
home,
from where the next day she was taken to
another hospital and the orderlies were
violent and stretchered feet first, but
after the operation, Wanda woke up in a
hospital bed and returned to life
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book by an American
doctor on fashion was recently published and in it he collected hundreds of
memories of people who, just like
you, experienced clinical death.
Have you ever become acquainted with
similar literature or
with the memories of other people about this
I didn’t have to read and watch and communicate
even with such people.
In almost all the memories
collected in Moody’s book, people said
that they saw a tunnel, a long
corridor at the end of which there was light and they
moved at high speed along this
corridor, was it like that for you yes yes I saw
a tunnel, it went out into the street, a
dark tunnel and Dante, he went out into the
street and then everything disappeared and then it
seemed to me that a window opens and an
angel dressed in white finds him and a young guy
and my name is come come to us and you are a
believer, a believer, I say no
wait I crossed myself
avarda body they disappeared and there again
this same angel and a
young man appear to me they call me for a long time
then I cross myself they leave again and
then it seems the boyar hats the boyars the
boyars are sitting around I’m sitting in this fresco my
legs mean they don’t stand on my pillows like that
they want to put on this boyar hat,
then everything disappears and again an angel
appears, an angel pours out of England again
calls me with her, again no, I say
no, I won’t go, let me live here for a little while,
crossed her, she’s calling, calling
me, well, she’s not going anywhere, I say don’t
leave,
I won’t go, you left, then they
appear again after a while,
they appear again and again they call me there, go,
go,
game, no, I won’t go for a long time, I prayed,
crossed myself,
and still they come, come with me, let’s go,
if this angel was afraid of the cross, then
maybe this is completely not an angel, what do you
think, white grandfather made such wings from behind
and white as a wedding dress
dress white white and they call me with
them this young man says we’ll
take him we’ll take him she says no
no wait
angel from the plan and for women woman angel
Wanda what you saw in the first 2 there
was nothing at all there was a beautiful meadow of
flowers and the sound of the sea was very audible it
was far away there it was almost
impossible to go there now due to
some strange circumstances even at
that time those flowers and probably it
remained like we don’t know how schizophrenia
or what, I can’t even see them now,
they look like daisies and gerberas with
carved fox leaves,
it was luxurious, it was very warm, although it was February 6th, we were
climbing, and here it was only warm and wonderful,
it seemed that it simply couldn’t be better,
you know, when they brought me
back and was very dissatisfied, probably
even behaved badly, yes it will be
because I don’t want to return from there I don’t
even want 19 it wasn’t
your desire to return there was no Igor
Alexander tel to return despite the fact
that the angel was calling him there was no desire to
return
I wanted to stay there there and it hurt,
it was good, it was very good, why do
you think then you
came back, we because the
doctors just brought me back to life, not by myself, of course, the
doctors, thank you, took every possible
effort to bring me back to life
because it was very difficult and you knew
that there was something wrong with you - they do this in order to
return you felt that something was
happening against your will no no
absolutely no apparently she was very deep
that moment when then when they returned
it was clear that something had happened but it was
as if she passed out although in the ward
they said that she was talking
everything seems normal, yes, and man’s friend is not here, he
turned green, the linden series happened there and
now he’s not there, that’s not why in general, but
if I had doctors, of course, we would have
stayed there, how long did this condition of yours last,
well, as I explain, about four
and a half minutes is quite it’s a lot
dad, four and a half minutes, your
heart didn’t work, Wanda, and you had the
feeling that the choice was yours, that
you were free to stay there or free
to return, unfortunately, this was not the case
and there was no hose in the subconscious
to return somewhere or stay there
was just a moment that seemed to
suit me, just suit me and I was very happy just to
return when I returned,
of course it was very difficult because the
calories and did everything possible obviously to
return it was unpleasant to
go through the path from being brought back to life,
regardless of your will, you did not
make your desire to this
absolutely, but Igor Aleksandrovich
returned of his own free will,
you realized that you died and you wanted to
go back, I wanted to go back to
my mouth, I
crossed myself to return to, wait for
me, pick me up, I say, I’ll still live
here, there’s already a story in this beautiful and
warm field, it can’t be like such a
kind of advertising for smoi kill is
too strictly said and what could they
say to these people, maybe they shouldn’t
do it, that it’s not as good
as it might seem after our
story, firstly, from the point of view of
religion, in no case should you
say that to yourself laying down your hands is
something else and leaving this world is
punishable later, so to speak, the higher school
gave us life, we must live like
the earth, and in general, we mean everyone will live
as long as there is marked there; there is no need to
strive there; it may not be so
good at all that we we were there because
we didn’t feel pain or any
other misfortune, of course there was nothing
needed there, as I understand it, there were no worries, there
was nothing, it’s true it was a
wonderful dream, I don’t think that anyone is
either young or average or completely
elderly, there’s no need to rush there, no matter how
hard it is for us, let’s live, tell
Wanda, how did you feel about religion
before your clinical
death happened and did that relationship change
after I’ll say frankly, since childhood, they took
me to church all the time, fastened to my
grandmother’s skirt all the time life to this day
evict- Olechka I really believe, yes, I’m a
Catholic, I really believe and I even believe
in my soul more than I don’t
talk about it, but I really believe,
please tell me whether your
idea of
life about the essence of life has changed after you
returned and the state of clinical death
in ordinary life, I
think that no, yes, the impression is that
you understand, it really seemed like a
dream and maybe just age did not yet
allow me to think about more
global ones, it was just obvious that I
still had to live for the sake of the child who was born and there
was no time to think about how age
in general, I think is to blame, and your birth
then the difficult birth ended
happily
after you returned life, it
worked out, and in almost all the
memories of those people who are collected
in the named book,
they talked about how they saw themselves as
if from above, they saw that
happens in the room where their
bodies were lying, that is, they were watching, as it were,
themselves from the side and from above, did you have something like
that? I was lying in the air, I was
sitting in a bed in a chair, well, like a gang in the air,
like you, you looked at yourself at your
the body from the outside you know no from the outside you can hardly
call it maybe it most likely
looks like a photograph it’s an
ordinary photograph it’s interesting to the
tax authorities and you collect these flowers and see the
terrible sound of the sea after which by the way it’s
not scary I’m afraid of water
panic fear about what’s in the
family I can tell you another
similar case exactly 25 years later,
my husband was clinically dead after a
myocardial infarction, he didn’t see any
tunnel, he was hunting, he took aim and was
about to shoot at that time the first
brigade saved him from that, that is,
shooting is possible, probably you wo
n’t do it anymore squeezed out, but there was no tunnel
there either, it was beautiful, again, the clearing
was, as he explained, so beautiful
that he didn’t want to come back either,
both in life exactly 25 February 6th and February 6th, something
like this happened to our family, is it
a coincidence or probably if it’s
a coincidence here, such fatal coincidences
Igor Alexander of the studio, your
wife and you are present after you woke up,
she was next to you and you
told everything, but I began to tell and my wife
says all this is not okay for you, now
we’ll ask her, so why do you want yours my husband
seemed strange, you know at that
time to me,
it all happened at night, I came to us
the next day when I came to him, he
says, you know, I saw a movie and a game,
what kind of movie was it, a glass chamber,
reanimation, glass everywhere, vanguard, over
there, Velluru, what kind of movie when there glass
he year I saw a penny, but he says
he saw Peter and he was the first to be shot at the menacing
boyars video,
I say so you had this very
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like this is the
yagur system, probably so I think he was
probably unconscious in it and couldn’t collect
they understand what he’s saying and when all this
happened in the ninety-first year
what month of January before or after the events
that we had here, both here and in
Moscow
with water before the 2nd event when the yen started shooting,
he says and knows that the bloodhound you go
home faster, but I only went home
I arrived and they started shooting here,
Igor Alexander, you see, your wife
remembered something that you couldn’t
remember just now, we’re talking about the fact that it
was still a shooting, in fact,
shooting before the shooting on Wednesday, and maybe
in this state of yours you foresaw
the future
maybe they don’t remember the events
and your wife said that you were talking about
some historical characters about Peter
the Great about the boyars about Ivan the Terrible the treaty
said yes you saw them, you saw them and how
they looked like you straighten yourself
with a formidable beard in the middle sat and the cross
you were sitting here
boyars too with a hop-up he big
how did you know that it was Ivan the Terrible that
looked like well maybe like a character in the film
Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession
but doesn’t have and you saw the picture of Ivan
the Terrible killing his son it was visible
he looked like this he looks like he looks like that means
you imagine Ivan the Terrible as the
man from the picture, yes, you’ve seen
this picture before and maybe that’s why he
can be like that to you and showed the union she
guest sofas shock show
people who survived clinical death
Igor Aleksandrovich and Wanda
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what you still had the feeling that you still
saw in this let’s call it a dream and the vision
was such that I was no longer with if I
went with the angel then I would no longer
see my family, I would not see anyone
and I did not want to leave and the
color of life and I So I began to pray and began to
ask that she put me, yes, I
felt such weightlessness, that is, how
would you have been disembodied before vantaa, how did
you feel,
did you feel like a physical body,
I think that no, that’s exactly what it
wasn’t, you said that it was warmth like how this is how you
can feel warmth without feeling your body
I understand what you want to
ask and I can’t even explain to you
how it was very warm it
was just indescribable summer, can you imagine
although it was all in winter and I can even
tell you that entering the body should
feel understandable The question is very clear,
and at the same time, Ivan Krylov is like
a photograph, I can say that I was
n’t there or I was there somewhere, I
saw myself from the outside, no, you understand, I
even see, now I see that it’s
not like that something, exactly,
squat down, yes, I’m picking these
flowers,
it really was, but I don’t know
how the question was asked correctly, I
myself can’t find the answer to it, you were looking, I was looking,
oddly enough, because I read a lot
about it, not even myself it was very
interesting somewhere, I even plunged into
the science where, in my opinion, but I didn’t find the answer
no,
how do you yourself assess your
state? It was a hallucination
of a dream, it was a fainting spell, what was it like
in comparison with normal life with real life
with sensations in real life you you know
specifically, I can’t even answer you,
practically it was the impression that
it was some kind of non-existence, practically
it wasn’t even possible to compare with something
impossible, you felt that this was not
life,
no, I can’t say whether this life was
or wasn’t this life wasn’t
to understand how in reality in some kind of
reality it’s not just some kind of
line I crossed and remained no it’s as
if real life could even be some
kind of dream that was the impression
it was very much also told the doctor that I
saw it I didn’t I understood that moment that they
were asking me, I answered that they
had seen me for some reason, I didn’t know that I had already
left, so the doctors said it was almost
really layer 2, and you did
n’t even have wings, the doctors didn’t
say when I was discharged for a month and a half lay there, were discharged, they did
n’t
say anything, absolutely, they didn’t even say that
you had a clinical death, they didn’t
tell me, and when you found out about it, you
immediately guessed that a comrade
came to see me, they took a document from the doctors there, that’s
how I found out there, wow
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Igor Alexandrite, do you understand
that for the first time you found out four years later
about what happened to you in the darkness,
they didn’t say about dying, no
one said, and now 2 1 we’re hanging out with me, they
say that I gave it in the hospital here on
Moskovskaya 3 I also
had a clinical death at the hospital, they didn’t tell you
that such things happen to you all the time,
I don’t know, I have a question for Igor
Aleksandrovich, but for this you saw everything, you
yourself said, didn’t you have
any questions to the doctors that they didn’t
tell you about this clinical death
no there were no questions, I
found out here that your friend came to me
that I had two clinical deaths
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if there are doctors in our studio who
can tell us something about this, this is the
minimum time, 5-6 minutes for
that - there was something else that could have been done to a
person so that he could be saved,
and your specialty is that I am an emergency physician, a
doctor on an intensive care team,
you have to deal with such a case in your practice,
you know, I have to, I’ve been working on this
team for a year now, in the past year
I’ve had this three such cases, but
unfortunately I didn’t see my patients anymore,
they were admitted to the intensive care unit
in an unconscious state, so that with them
further you are the person who brought them back to
life, yes, but this return, you understand the
aspect of this problem is that people who
call an ambulance are usually people
who are in medicine they don’t understand because
this is what is required, they call an
ambulance and wait for it to arrive,
10-15 minutes pass, sometimes 20. Can you give a
recommendation to those people who are
watching a person die because
they have to do to bring
this person back, yes, I wanted to say
these are programs to address people who
are witnesses of this
clinical death, how can they think
that a person is in
clinical death, the person was talking,
but was sitting, standing, and suddenly he
loses consciousness and falls, he
begins to have convulsions, sometimes I don’t
sometimes the color of his color always changes his
face or he becomes pale or
blue or gray, and at this moment
those around him should think about the need to
save him, of course you need to call an
ambulance, well, you need to start resuscitation
measures directly, no matter where
it is on the street in a trolleybus at home,
not everyone knows what such
resuscitation measures, you know, I
think that it is even possible to conduct an
experiment in our classroom, I think
that maybe three or four percent, I do
n’t really know what it is, but
everyone taught it at school,
probably some people have the right and
some in institutes received this
knowledge, just people they relate to this
but it’s like, well, why do I need this? It wo
n’t happen to me, maybe it will happen to my
loved ones too, this is never the case,
we’re conducting an experiment,
which of you has never heard about
what needs to be done if a person is
in a state of clinical death
like this 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 hands that is seven
people have never heard but
maybe maybe the question should be posed in
the wrong way we have all heard but can we put
this into practice you know what in
practice if you have never
done anything just heard apply of course
it is very difficult, most of them
I would like to tell people who
receive this knowledge in their lives to
think about it all the time and apply
it if in life they find themselves with people
who are in clinical death, thank you,
and as the respected doctor said,
we all should remember that at
any moment something could happen to one of our loved ones
and we must be
ready to
help the person, I must frankly admit
that it is unlikely that I would be able to do anything in
such a situation, although yes I I heard about this,
flowers, I have a driver's license,
it's obvious, but it's unlikely that I
could do anything, maybe this is
really a reason to
seriously think about it, Wanda, do
you fear death after you found out what
it is, the guardian of this one by one
because I saw my husband dying in front of my
eyes, it’s very scary, it’s just
impossible to convey in words, very much according to
your own feelings, this is a
state that you shouldn’t be afraid of,
yes, but just how
you get there, seeing how it happens, it’s
scary, or maybe you have some
new sensations new abilities there
was nothing like that, I can tell you
briefly the abilities really
appeared, but I don’t know if it
was just so to say, well, I can, for example,
see a person right now, I can
say good or bad about him, I can even
foresee something somewhere, strangely enough a
strange one appeared,
I can guess at coffee, this hasn’t happened before
and in general it’s quite interesting,
just seeing a person, talking to him,
I have nothing more to ask about them,
I need to know everything about him pathetically, is there such a thing, is that why
it can’t be here,
there are volunteers who they want to
undergo this test, so
almost the entire central stand
would like to be tested, can you
somehow what is the
ability, what can you say about the
people who are sitting right in front of you, I don’t
want to say something wrong,
you understand me a little, you don’t need
a person communicate completely between me
and that person and then I can determine
whether he is a good person or whether
he understands this personally for himself in the
studio, I can’t say that, but
if I’m an individual I won’t communicate,
then I can do some things for myself yes,
maybe even some final data, but it’s just
that simple, essentially no, you want to
say that you don’t abuse your
ability, use it
when you really need it,
so here,
well, alas, the path of self-knowledge is of course
difficult and difficult, you will have to follow In this
way, you yourself can say something to the
state of clinical death, not only
as a doctor but also as a psychic. Doctors of
traditional medicine believe that a
person will certainly lose something of
his abilities
after such a state. Do you think, as I
understand, that a person can acquire
some new abilities is this so
very often is it so, however, in experience and
classical medicine there are a number of
phenomenal facts about which
you can’t go anywhere, which indicate that a
person, even having lost almost his entire
brain, does not die after that and does not
degrade so much that he turns into an
animal; the case with English is known
to work as a worker who, at the end of the
last century, during the explosion of some
building, lamps pierced through the skull and left a
hole, the man survived after some time,
walked through the bazaars and showed people this
hole and allowed people to look through it,
while he perfectly remembered who he was, he
never I didn’t forget to ask for a small
change for allowing him to look
through this hole,
that is, he retained his intellect, when
after his death this skull was opened,
it was discovered that he did not have 1 hemisphere
at all, but instead 2, pathetic scraps, and in
this case I would like to say that in
this The form presented to us by the
participants in these amazing
experiments of living nature with living
nature is just a very small
part of these experiments taking place on
earth every day, all these are the realities with
which big science is working today, a
science that works at the junction of several
directions,
sometimes it is called eniology, the science
of energy-information exchange and in
general for this science there is nothing
phenomenal, in this case it is
just another plane of the real existence of the
materialistic material and
in reality you want to say that the
state in which the state of
clinical death that our heroes experienced is
also the material world beyond this border
which they we also stepped over the
material world, it is the same
material world as this world that
surrounds us, if you ask someone
from the studio to tell how they see the air, it is unlikely that
anyone will be able to really explain
what it is, but you can see the
fluctuations of the
air mass if you look at a
burning burner you see waves of air, you
will see it with your own eyes, although in a
normal situation you don’t see air in the
same way, people getting into
a certain we call it a
specific bio energy-informational
state are
capable of some part of their multi-
component organism from human bodies
much more than physical, that’s
some kind of then part of you accept that reality
which is physical you believe
now or maybe always believe in the
afterlife the afterlife I don’t believe I don’t
believe and I understand everything I can’t even
explain to you why I don’t believe I
read I listen to all this I watch I
once again, yes, they just experienced it, yes, but the
afterlife, if there is one, I don’t know
much has been said about the souls that, so
to speak, appear there, probably in the
area with this there was a paradise bridge, it should be
prepared so that I don’t have to go through any of
these tunnels, so to speak, and in
general then they may have already accepted me, even
you understand, but to say that
this is the afterlife, but is this life?
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now are you afraid to die after
what you have experienced I’m not afraid of a vandal you are
one of the few who know what it
is I understand your question and still I’m
afraid I’m not afraid that is, life is still more
beautiful than the dream that awaits us beyond
this line, of course, we
cannot answer all the questions that
arise in connection with this problem, what
happens to a person after life
if his soul travels, does it travel through
time, do
we live once or many times,
what kind of someone else’s life does everyone
know and the sensations when a complete
stranger it would seem like the situation suddenly
you feel this has already happened to me but when
and where be happy see you in a
week
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