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Natalya Petrov or the myth of a person without a soul is
very difficult to imagine Well, that’s
what the soul is
No, I don’t know, that’s what I sometimes read
in the newspapers about subtle substance and everything
else, I understand so. On the one
hand, I’m a religious person. In general no matter
how strange it is, it won’t be strange for you,
on the one hand, I know church dogmas, and
then when I
turn to
God it stinks, it’s
as if I live in a slightly different hypostasis. But how is
this possible when you’re in church, you’re
not scientists? And when you’re in the clinic, you scientist
That’s how it’s possible. I don’t know, but it’s possible,
I’ll tell you from my own experience,
I didn’t say it
like that because I know it quite well.
Tell me, if this is all so, then what
on the Ninth Day, according to church dogma,
leaves the human body to
God Well, you see, your
question contains the answer, you have to
say the soul: Yes, why do you have to be a
scientist? You have the right to say what
actually is; you are a scientist;
kernov Skeem you probably know them,
but what is the phenomenon Kir so that it
is simply clear to those who listen to us that in a
certain situation there is a glow of different
glows around, say, a living object,
a certain
Korotkov tried to see what happens
to people, depending on what kind of
death they died, what happens next
On the Ninth Day and so on, well, the
Kirlian phenomenon discovered anxiety,
such
anxiety, anxiety from a
non-scientific expression. Sorry, but it turned out
that it was so unstable, or rather so subtly,
that we still need to get closer and closer to it. But
I don’t know of other studies that are more reliable, this is
unreliable if it is not reliable, then it is not a
phenomenon, so to speak, it is not clear this is a
phenomenon, it is a phenomenon,
it can
be, it may depend, apparently, on so
many
factors, the ignoramus said so, although
this phenomenon has been around for many years, we don’t
know it, you just don’t really want
Are you afraid to touch Oh, why are you on the contrary, we
are trying to connect it to known
physiological processes now it’s not
working No why Maybe it will work out
When it works out then we will work with it the
person died Natalya Petrovna
this grief happened around the dead body
there is some kind of glow of something is happening
or is life over forever no,
if we talk about the kirnos thing,
it will be yes for some time it will be How
many days are there really 9 days you know
don’t ask me about the phenomenon I’ll be
killed by those who work with it
here there won’t be any criticism
they’ll kill anything we’ll just leave the phenomenon
is far away, and real scientists
really always don’t know more than
they know, let’s do it on the contrary when
they
already know the trick. But when the feeling of what is still
in front of you is a huge
unknown
field of activity, they usually
say this is the feeling it
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is beautiful. You really are into the brain
of the man
Ivo to understand how Alexander
Sergeyevich Pushkin had the lines in his head a drill with a
haze the sky covers whirlwinds with
snow twisting It’s very good that you
raised this question. Apparently,
in addition to all other advantages, he had such
chemistry in the brain that the rhyme itself was
not at all for him it was no difficulty the
connections in the brain were so
Pushkin’s rhyme there was practically no rhyme
He lived in this, that is, if I
continue your thought, then
Dostoevsky’s epilepsy was it was his genius
most often, after all,
epilepsy does not lead to masterpieces
but in general to troubles, but it happens that on
the contrary, Dali was a crazy person
or was playing crazy, your point of
view Judging by his things, he
was not crazy,
but he knew how to think surprisingly outside the box,
then Gra Well, well Dali knew how to
think outside the box I don’t argue, God
forbid, but the EU Dali is sorting out a bunch of his
own I apologize for the excrement,
then I myself also write about this in my memoirs, now I’m
delving into my own [ __ ], where is the
line between madness and not
madness,
this is really non-standard thinking.
You know, well, the last thing
Edith Piaf wrote, Well, or the First or
the last, I don’t know what I wrote before
when she’s turning herself inside out Well,
these are drugs, that’s something completely
different, it wasn’t that easy either, killing,
yes of course Well, there’s a border. In such a
situation, the border between genius and
illness, talent and illness, or health in general,
illness, it’s very fragile,
maybe something like that you and I
were talking about
something disturbed by a disease. There is one
that leads to the general degradation of a person
and then where did you start about
fools when a person in general becomes
Well, much less intellectual,
not to say worse, this is how a
very severe form of schizophrenia can behave
gradually degrades but also
schizophrenia Venoda gives such
remissions that you are talking
schizophrenic, don’t sing that he is sick,
schizophrenia and Paranoia are different things
Well, Paranoia is a symptom and such a syndrome
that
Lyoni is a disease Didn’t anyone
understand about Stalin that he was a sick
person just by communicating with even if you
read the Memoirs of our generals,
somehow from the description of
Stalin’s gaze, the reaction of his gaze to some
words, it was clear
that a little of that. The fact is that if you
admit that he was sick,
then you are writing off his
sins, why forgive me, am I writing him off
sins in the Kremlin are correct, but that’s a matter for
others. So maybe there
weren’t that many healthy people in that
Politburo.
Ivanovich Kalinin crawled on his knees in front of the
steel, begging his own wife from the
concentration camp to be released by the president of the country. It
seems to me that this was very noble On
his part because then crawling on your
knees was also unsafe; it was not a city;
this is something like this, several years
before in the Mikhailovsky Castle, the same, well,
not Decembrists, also officers, were able to
strangle Paul I. And what is this?
Well, you see this in the World Cup. It’s a matter of
planned
actions and implemented actions, apparently there are
still enough either purposeful
people
or quite cruel people of December
Neli were cruel But didn’t your Grandfather, the great
doctor, diagnose Stalin with Paranoia
and this is a legend, after all, you understand. I
heard about it, but not in our house,
in our house they hid little from the children, but for
some reason we believed that she had killed
his second wife Bertha, we never
talked about the fact that he was with Stalin and it was
never said that he
made this diagnosis. And your family
understood that Stalin was a murderer, no, then it’s
clear why there was no talk about it, it
could have been talked about like this that he
was there, I’ll ask you a very stupid question
Natalya Petrovna Or maybe the brain
is the holy of holies of a person and you
shouldn’t touch it at all No, this is not a
stupid
question This is almost back to the nature of science
Here we have a clinic and we treat and what we
we get it, we get it bit by bit because the
person must be examined before the operation, say, to
see where his
tumor is, and so on, schizophrenia can be
removed from the patient’s brain, this is not an experience, this
was treatment, then there were no
medicines that appeared later and with
which, in general, it
pacifies patients because they are violent the departments
used to be very scary, it
was proposed by Edgar Money, who eventually received the
Nobel Prize, this will
lead to
Tosya SPO
lost a lot. That is, I would say that
they didn’t just become
social,
but in society These
people Well, they could
exist, at first there was an incredible
passion for this then they paid attention
to these consequences, to the fact that
this person might not shave and maybe
even not eat if they don’t
tell him, he
can do it now. And if schizophrenia is
not cured in principle, isn’t it better
for the patient, understand my
question correctly, to leave him alone don’t touch,
don’t remove the brain, or because
something else starts, the person will forget to eat, but
leave everything as it is, as if
schizophrenia is not cured, this is a very
serious
condition, leave everything as it is, because it’s as it is, it’s
not like you’re sitting here now,
it’s not to leave it sit quietly or let’s
say live peacefully, but this operation is
generally banned here and in the Vatican. You,
as scientists, welcome the
birth of the sheep
Dolly oh, so that our
TV viewers can understand, a great man 2 months
ago bred a lamb, an exact copy of his
mother, that is, the sheep looks like a sheep with all
the genes, the structure of some kind of
internal and most importantly with the face, a copy of such
sheep can be made, as is now clear,
it means a lot if these
experiments are continued to the end, then people like
Natalya Bekhtereva or Boris Yeltsin can be
churned out as much as you like. I
understand correctly, Clinton banned these experiments
How do you feel about this?
In general,
negatively. I would say so in a scientific
sense. No, not to prohibition.
somehow
reconcile But it really instantly
takes aim at a person Of course, just
like you said and here I am against
it, which means there is something that we
cannot allow a brilliant scientist, I don’t
know where you find a brilliant scientist
who will stop the sheep to do this
genius here such where about vech where if he
makes people there a million people are singing
exact
copies Mr. Guard How will it
turn out in general so you like it
I like that this is a brilliant person
that he is alive and working and so on I am
afraid of the direction of thought is correct So I tell
you about the same thing said Natalya
Petrovna And yes, forgive me if it’s there It should be
prohibited, then why here
Something needs to be allowed here In this clinic I
’ll ask you so carefully now I don’t take your
polemic with academician Ginzburg as
soon as you say that Vanga’s prediction
I don’t have a polemic with Ginzburg On the contrary,
I I think that Ginsburg is an outstanding scientist,
I really like him as a person. Your
colleagues very often write open
letters and so to speak. Well, bullying is not the right
word. But it’s not easy for you to live among your colleagues.
When you say that 80% of the predictions in the
angels came true, I quote the Bulgarian
Academy of Sciences in this in case 80%
comes true according to the Bulgarian Academy of
Sciences I didn’t study Vanga I was with Vanga I
talked with Vanga and I formed
my impression of Vanga but if we
accept as a fact that Vanga
was right in many ways then to hell I’m
sorry all quantum mechanics flies
the principle of uncertainty Because
because it means it was not science, it was
quantum mechanics. Why does the principle of
uncertainty fly? Yes it
flies if Nga could communicate with that world,
talk with the souls of people and
predict what a person
cannot predict, then the principle of uncertainty
is no longer a principle of uncertainty is
all determined Well, firstly, not everything is
still 80% so, firstly not everything is like that, so
we’ll leave room for
uncertainty Well, there’s room for error,
you said that every person has
their own reserve, our
cloning in human society and
Wang let’s try to combine these things I am
against creating human copies Although
I can’t explain it to you completely
because you can ask me a question,
but Pushkin was a genius Why not
make a copy of Pushkin and here I
don’t know what to
answer you It may not always be worse than the original
always, let's say,
Dur created his
works first. Naturally, he did not
copy anyone and therefore his lines
were straight and clear. And those who
copied him, in principle, drew better than Yura,
but they could not draw a line, and their
hand trembled a little and that’s the
only reason they can specialists are now determining
this is dut
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not the ones to create mines and
now the bridge to Vanga The fact is that
here you have been dealing so far with
potential reality But Vanga
Van I would compare Vanga with anyone,
but for God’s sake not scare me with this
comparison and don’t let them beat me too much for it.
Although in general they will always
get you for something, so I would compare it to a
gun. These are completely different people,
such a well-educated
woman in general. I don’t know if she wrote poetry,
I think she didn’t. verses, but this is
also In general, the deviation is a very strong
deviation from the average level. Why did I
go to Wang We have a lot of people here with
us I went before I had
some difficulties purely for scientific
reasons I didn’t need to
find out anything about her For myself I had to
it’s not necessary and even at the end She
asked me Yes, maybe you’re worried about yourself Do
n’t
worry, I told her I need it for
science I came very skeptical
in Bulgaria then they were very
afraid of our perestroika and even
my lectures were listened to with closed doors,
they were afraid that I’ll tell you something about
what we’re doing Well, I’m here with the
intention of, in general,
I didn’t go down the path of meeting
our fortune tellers And so on We have
a lot of such candidates for the role of
Vanga, I went to where really
This was the data from the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
and today in the world or as of
yesterday now Vanga is no longer there as of
yesterday Vanga was but if not the
first in the world then one of the very first
One of the most powerful predictor Well,
what really Vanga told me about the past were
interesting things about mine
really interesting things And I
was rejected a lot when I talked to her,
that is, I didn’t tell her, but I
internally imagined it like this. Where
can she get it from, but she
said something about the
future, some of it is quite vague and
some of it is absolutely
clear. I didn’t
believe her And now A year later, but she
told me this And where is your father’s coffin? They have a
coffin I say Well, how can I
know Well, she naturally said that
your father was killed It was a murder,
why don’t you know that it was a
murder
and she says And you try and find it,
Aunt Vanga, it’s a good thing, how can I
find it, then this sun would have been massive
cbd and it was a very long time ago Yes,
try and you will definitely find out
I left, I think, my God, Aunt Van What
nonsense are you saying, I came to
Leningrad, I asked for a
special commission, received an answer, I was not
satisfied with the answer, I was at Bakatin and
through him I confirmed all
this. If indeed 80% of all
Anga’s predictions came true,
that means there is an afterlife and what to call
another
life, that means you can communicate with the soul of
a person decades later. And you know what
I I’ll tell you. It seems to me that what
Vanga
had has an
analogy, oddly enough, in the financial
world, in my life I met a man
who started from scratch and became a
multimillionaire.
We even became friends; he has
very big medical interests, but
he made his
fortune on an amazing feeling
probabilities in particular financial
and such that he was called the wizard of
Wall Street Vanga has a sense of the probability of
other events Vanga has turned your
idea of ​​​​your as a
scientist upside down Yes in general Well about everything
yes no it hasn’t turned over
also inclined to think that there is an
outside world there is a lot of formal
evidence that she she told
the truth when she said that your mother
came here for me it’s like it didn’t
fit in
I would say my thinking worldview
is not here to say the worldview is
broader but in the words of Vanga Well, if you want
a fact from Vanga, just well for thinking
for
thinking and maybe that Now
we are
studying, well, it’s impossible to say in this
regard, but in a close sense,
this is being studied as a result of the fact that, after
all, I continue to think about this topic,
but really, here in your clinic,
doctors are observing in their
food not shea from the body of a deceased person, then the
release of something - then As you say carefully,
So this is not in our clinic But at the
Ott Institute, secondly, they are not
specifically studying the output of something, not specifically
this, but they are exploring
those mental changes within the
normal range that develop in nature. Tom
is a work of none,
this is only in legends church and not in
medical practice Well, they
study women in labor and it turns out that a
certain percentage of women in labor
develop earlier, they called this an
altered state of consciousness,
mental Well, perestroika, mental
changes, this can be a very great
unreasonable, as it were,
joy Yes, after all, unreasonable
sadness, a feeling of unity with this child
there are a lot of phenomena, including, as it
were, a vision of one’s body of one’s torment
from the outside, and in principle, we really
cannot say that this is the
soul, but I just didn’t look for other
definitions. Well, because what
then? And what can come out of bodies and
look at the Rhone and
all the possible options, well, I would
say of a materialistic kind. Although I
don’t know what materialism is here and what isn’t, and
they are trying to consider this from the position of an
altered state, well, there is such a
mechanism in the brain, a diagram of the
body, a person has his own diagram of the body in the brain
and in accordance with this, he moves
and performs a lot of actions. Well, all
actions in general are in accordance with this
when the body diagram is violated. It may be
that a person, say, has paralysis of some
arm and he will not tell you that
paralysis, he will not notice it himself
paralysis, as if to deny it, well,
he’s trying to get in touch with it, but I don’t think
it will be possible, you
just need
to admit like this the presence of such a
phenomenon, check it in every possible way and continue
to think what it is
Kashpirovsky is really dangerous for
Luda, a
doctor came to my hotel, it’s true that I I was a little
embarrassed, he immediately said, but you can bring the press with
you. I said why did the press
come to meet in Moscow in a
hotel with m, they talked about different things on
television in order to treat the
children of the cut, yes, he kept talking in
his speeches about what he would like
so understand from a scientific point of view what he is
doing, what is happening in the body at this time,
but it turned out that this is nonsense.
He doesn’t want to understand anything. Because
when we offered him and even
invited him, he conducted one
biochemical study, one
physiological study, and since then it has been the same
lives by these data Although it
was necessary, of course, to follow much more to
look and then the following story turned out, they kept
talking about who he
heals, what he cures, and so on, and they
started turning to me, that is,
my voters first turned to me; during
this period, unfortunately, I
became a deputy here they surprised
Kashpirovsky on his knees and said something like
that we would die, and even I
really invited him here, he
performed here Once in front of the public and then
people started asking about
complications, say a child was running around during
Kashpirovsky’s speech and didn’t even seem to
listen to it what does
Kashpirovsky say and then suddenly, within a
day or more, he doesn’t recognize anyone close to him,
some girl fell asleep and in
general I saw that here the influence can
be very, very
uncontrollable, in any case. Well, what is
this hypnosis with him? What is
it? Well something like this, in any
case, in any case, this is not a very
simple phenomenon Yes, but it clearly exists
Yes, but this phenomenon exists Yes, this is not a
charlatan, and this is my second interview, it was
called that. It would be better if he were a
charlatan of life, you are having dinner with
Kashpirovsky, you admit Imu What do you
want to lose an extra kilogram and
suddenly you realize that you are eating it was
after a conversation skank
but I was with my employee Yeah That
is, he gave, as it were, an instruction and
you didn’t eat potatoes anymore I wanted to lose an extra
bride Then it turned out that in general It’s
quite a simple thing when I
needed it, in fact, I
calmly lost a lot of money, well
then I thought that he
would tell me something and he told me no, I’ll
talk to you later, I’ll give you a
diet there. Well, in principle, you don’t need bread and
potatoes there I have everything, I went with my
employee to have lunch after m and it
seemed to me that she was eating very strangely and
when I looked at my plate I
gasped; on my plate the potatoes were
carefully pushed to the side by you and
me. But I didn’t notice when I
did it. here I decided no, here I
built an internal defense against
the impact, it’s possible, but there is it.
Then such sudden deaths appeared
near you, you don’t connect this with the fact that
Anato Mikhailovich tried.
I don’t want to talk about it.
Forgive my question for God’s sake.
No, it’s not tactlessness is just
such a very
unclear situation for me,
intuition is from my point of view. I do not
pretend to be the Absolute. Here it is
the ability to find a solution based on
very
many coordinates or indicators that have not
been brought into
consciousness. You display a
small number of coordinates and you
logically decide a task based on
what you kind of know or
see, and intuition is when there are a
lot of these coordinates, but they haven’t
come into your consciousness, they may be so, well,
roughly speaking, roughly speaking,
these stimuli may have been weak. I can’t even
tell you exactly what precisely But
this is a set of factors that have not come into consciousness,
so when a person decides on them,
then he often if Indeed,
this is intuition and not the imagination of a person
that he has intuition, it is
stronger than human logic, stronger, and
so people with intuitive thinking if
they also supplement it with logic and it is necessary,
if necessary, so as not to explode
intuition, because such a thing is like God's
grace Remember from Jonah Dark according to Mark, in
any case, if I have it, I
pray to God to keep it, if I
don’t have it, I pray to God to give it so Intuition
can now be deceived by the floor I’ll
ask differently. Tell me, does the heart participate in a
person’s spiritual life? I know that a person’s
spiritual life depends very much on the state of the heart,
and on the state of the
physical state, on the physical
state of his activity, much
more strongly than I thought before,
maybe the heart is the
soul
even in
She doesn’t have a specific seat of the
soul, because the whole trouble is that earlier,
when they were
looking for a soul or, on the contrary, they denied the
existence of a soul, they completely denied they said
that they opened a person’s soul and didn’t find it,
there is another proverb, the soul went to the heels
of fear in our proverbs there is a certain
experience of the people here is Folk wisdom or is it
still a Random aphorism There is a lot in
many, yes, and many empty ones in fairy tales,
here in
fairy tales I think that this is, well, just a sea of
folk wisdom And which fairy tale is the
wisest, here for
you fishermen and fish it is not native Yes, although
it is not
Narodnaya Yes, it’s just like about the new
Russians, it’s generally about almost
everyone, almost everyone
Nata Petrovna, when a woman has,
again, understand my question correctly, a
woman doesn’t have any kind of
trouble correctly, when a woman doesn’t have a
woman’s mind, but such a strict
logical mind is a man’s. in general, how is it with you,
with such thinking, a person who
deals with life with the brain can be
happy like a woman,
you understand What is the story, firstly, you
have elevated me to an intuitive and logical level, and it’s
precisely people with a logical mind who don’t
really recognize my logical mind, although I
always try to include logic in
my thinking and my
actions, and secondly,
you know that this question is very
complex. It’s not about how I myself,
let’s say with such an interest in science
or a craving for science, this is a very, very
peculiar craving. Here I am, for example I knew that
I needed to talk to you today and
maybe your questions would be difficult, but
I couldn’t bring myself to tear myself away from
my desk until 3:00 am
because I was very interested there,
you know,
with my thoughts and what I was doing, so
I think so the question needs to be considered
from two sides. I think with a person
like me it is very difficult to be
happy because at the moment when
I am drawn to the desk, I will find
any
excuse and leave, and this is not good for a
woman, this is very bad for women to be bo,
some told me your students
idolize they are
afraid someone told me that some
people were taken away from this office with a
heart attack
after serious conversations with you Where you
were right they are not Has it really never
happened in my life such a story with a heart attack
never in my life That’s what I’m not a sinner has
not brought to anyone before the heart attack, but I don’t
know if I’m afraid, I don’t understand. They’re afraid and I think they’re
not afraid. Have I ever been happy myself? Yes,
at some times it happened, but the worst thing
happened when I explained it to myself,
as soon as I explain to myself that
no matter what happiness ends
Oh also and
How
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