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So the day before yesterday we aired our first
interview, the first episode has already been watched by
99,000 people in Russia and I’m talking
about this because there was one comment
where a person was
shocked that you stayed in Camp Hero for
44 years. Apparently, that’s probably why
we we can start with a brief
description of how everything worked over
time there, firstly, can you say
what year you were born and probably
what year you were accepted into the program
just so that people understand Yes, so I
was born in
1988, this is the year of my
birth when I was accepted into
program And as I said earlier, how
the time distortion worked
there It seems I was wrong last time when
I said that 3 years there was one year
here it was the other way around, then 3 years here
was equal to one year there Therefore, that
is, time passed slower there than here,
that is, 3 years passed here and only
one year there and this is how time worked.
I think from what I understood today, I
know that you were in many programs and it’s
probably difficult to
say when you were taken away, probably from
very early childhood in one of the
programs and so on. usually As far as I understand
from my
memories and what I learned from people
I know who were also in the
programs, that is, we all put the
picture together piece by piece, it’s like a mosaic
puzzle or just a
puzzle. That is, every piece is important. But from
what I understand, usually people were taken 7-8
years some programs took you
before that but many were cloned and
depending on the group because I know
that Nacht Van mainly uses your
original body
they usually took us around the
age of seven or eight in many
programs So they grabbed you in
some moment, that is, from what I
remembered When they took me away, I was
taken away by Three different ships But it was
on the same day, that is, they grabbed you,
took you into service, returned you in time to the
moment when they took you and placed you in the
same place and sometimes in the moment of return
you were in an altered state, that
is, you were unconscious and suddenly slept
as if nothing had happened, that is, you
lost maybe 8-9 minutes of time Here
and now but did not realize that you had lost
this time, that is, you just remained in
one place or I thought that I stayed, it’s
interesting that many people report that
they were taken away, that is, at any age or
time, even at the moment they are taken away
several times a night and this is very that
is, sometimes Different groups do you think
there is a specific moment at which they
should take you away because that This is
some special window or something
because Peni talked about this and many
others said the same thing Now you
say that you were taken by Three different
ships in one night and this is unrealistic
Because if I carried out such an
operation I would want to distance myself in
terms of time from everyone else so that you can
work calmly but they do it
like this Yes, so what I remember then it
was not night then it was day but I lived in the
desert
I lived in Sky then and I lived in an area
of ​​2 s Pono it seems it was 2 C5 Hectares of
territory and no one really walked there, that
is, people lived there in the area. But they
weren’t nearby. That is, usually there was no one
near your house. That is, if you
live in a less populated area outside the
city outside the city, it’s much easier for them
pick you up at any time and yes they
have invisibility They arrive on a
ship and they also have mouths of
invisibility that you can carry in your hands
that is, some of these devices are
pretty cool depending on the group and the
program you are dealing with that is
Maybe different equipment and in my
case one ship
flew in and picked me up and then when they
brought me back they flew away and
another ship came after them Probably
seconds after the first one and
believe me I was in a panic That is, by the time the
third ship the ute was
just tired That is I was fed up with this I
tried to run away I literally ran
inside and tried to hide What is
happening to you physically That is, are you
aware of something Do you remember something or are you
just realizing that something happened
just now Dada That is when
these three ships took me away I remember it
was in real
time I remember that I went outside I
talked about this in my first interviews
I went outside and for some reason
I had a strong desire to leave
the planet I didn’t want to be here I knew that
at that time moment I was playing the
Sims game That is, it was strange I saw
how an alien ship in the game flew up
to pick up one of the SIMS that is, in the
game you need to do specific actions
for this to happen, this is Sims 1 and
after I saw this for some reason
I had an urge to go
outside, I went outside, closed my eyes, I
wanted to fly up inside myself, I had such
a desire, I wanted to take off and fly away from the
planet, some kind of consciousness control resonator.
They used Yes, it was
some specific feeling that I
experienced. I don’t know. Was it one of the
alteros that was transmitting these emotions to me
because alters can do things like that,
that is, they can put their
emotions on your thoughts
Wow, these are things that I learned now
then of course I was not aware of it, I remember
that this happened, that is, me they took me away I
know the group that did this And when
they brought me back I was floating, that is, they
were holding me, as it’s called, The
transport beam The beam, that is, they were putting
me back in place with this beam I
woke up when I was still above my
trailer That is, if you imagine the
ground level trailer I was at the
level of the roof of the trailer at that moment I was
hanging there I was in a panic because I was
floating in the air and at that moment I thought
that I was really flying you know, that is, I
began to move and panic because
usually I am afraid of heights and especially after
that case, I am very afraid of heights, but in
the end I kept
panicking me in this beam, that is, they let
me go, I fell, I remember that I
landed on the ground on my toes, I remember a
sharp pain that pierced my calves, I
fell back, hit my tailbone, I put my
hands back, trying not to fall and I lived in
the desert so I scratched my hands well, that
is, when you rub stones and pebbles on the ground with your hands, that is, that’s how
it was,
I fell, I felt pain in my back in my
socks and my hands, I raised them and you know
this feeling when the skin is just cut,
you feel it was very strong, I began to
feel this feeling in my arms and then I
felt something that usually doesn’t happen, I
felt this strange feeling that something was
watching me, it was here in
the area it was in the sky, that is, above the place
where I
lived above the
trailer I looked up like that I
saw a ship floating in the sky I
felt their emotions like Damn that is
because when they bring
you back You shouldn't remember anything or
see them Okay I remember crying and
begging them to leave me alone I remember
what I said I will never tell anyone anything
I say I will never tell anyone anything
I will be silent perhaps
Leave me alone and after a few
seconds the one who was on the ship thought
about it for a few seconds That is, I
felt that they were thinking and what
exactly they were thinking and in the end they decided to
fly away I remember how the ship slowly
rose into
the sky close, that is, approximately Under
the clouds and then took off and disappeared. That is, I did
n’t even have time to blink, it just
disappeared and you asked them not
to touch you anymore
Yes, because you remembered and saw them and
then yes they were
revealed yes the first time I talked
about it publicly I even admitted it that
I never told it to
anyone but at the same time the Memories came back to me
and that is I still
remembered I mean they
failed to keep me from remembering But
it was always something not related to
aliens as such. I remember
seeing some reptiles when I was
little in school when they were doing the
programming procedure but when it
came to the time when the ship took
me I think I was about 12 years old give or take
when this happened, I remember that when
they flew away,
another group arrived and flew away,
took me away, and then another group
arrived, I felt emotions from each
group, that is, those who were in the ship,
controlled it, or some large ship,
I felt whether their feelings were positive
or
negative or something
in between
Clearly, that is, I felt the difference and
then at night, or rather on the day, when I
ran inside and climbed under the blanket after the
third ship had already arrived, that
is, in the end I was so scared that I
simply lost consciousness And after that I
woke up at night I remember the
lights were sparkling outside near the trailer I don't know I
think there was a ship there but I remember
just trying to pray because
my family was very religious
back then and they were they were steeped in
religion I went to church and
everything I I also remember that I left the
next day and was picked up by a
ship again, that is, they did it in one
period of time, that is,
within about a week, I remember that
at least four ships picked me up and I
remember how the alters began to filter in. I
heard their voices in my head. there is
now I know what it is But then I was terribly
scared. That is, it was about 12
years old when you had this experience yes, sorry
Yes, when I was about 8 I remember how they
often took me out of class and so
on and how they programmed us and
stuff and I remember how I, as I said,
saw reptiles There were three of them and it was in the
church hall at the school where I studied then
Wow there was a lot related to
programming and weeding out
they would sacrifice you and
eat you at that time from what I I know
now there were a lot of us, but then in
that period of programming I thought that there were
very few people like me. I just tried to
bury it all and not tell anyone about it, that
is, they did it
right next door to your house, even yes,
they did it specifically at school
which I
went to and it was called the
Seventh Day Adventist Academy and it was in a
different area because I lived very
far away but this place can be found through a
Google search and there is an interview where I
showed it in broad daylight they did
it right in the middle of
the day and then what happened at school this
programming was during the day Yes it
was not at night that is they were right there
the teacher was programmed they
had now I know that they had
alters then I did not understand it and she
just switched like a Trigger that is you
know when someone- then suddenly explodes with
anger and switches But it was
different That is, it was a completely
different personality That is, she didn’t know what
she was doing in the
other personality right when she was
your teacher no Usually she did
n’t even know that she was doing this kind of thing that is
not that so that she secretly teaches you
thinking about what she will do with you
then she was just on a completely
separate wavelength right Okay
Yes, so
regarding the chronological
order of the programs, it’s probably pointless to
try to build it
because these are time loops that can
take you away from any time at any time
true to the future to the past
and we said earlier that you
were brought to
first to Antarctica and then to from
space from
us 1970 Yes, and we can say that this is kind
of the Order in which everything happened, that is,
first nah then but again this
doesn’t work linearly you can be taken
from any time any other I haven’t
taken horses for
but I know that I served in Nan for 60 years
at least in only one alter pinda and
I have several other alters who
served navan at different levels, that is,
some were officers others were
repairmen someone was just a soldier that
is, it’s not like for each group
You have only one single
Alter they take several and divide them and
use them they can contact
mix and work together or they
need to be spread out so that they don’t see
each other friend
from what I remember from different alters. That
is, I have one Alter who
served in another group and there were alters in
that group, that is, alters of other people
whom I know now who were
captured, that is, they were taken on board a ship,
their ship was captured It was a small
ship, that is, not small, but not as
big as the ship that captured them. That
is, when they were brought on board, everyone who
was on the captured ship was brought on
board this ship,
there were several people from that ship
who knew my other Alter with a
different name and when they saw my
Alter on this ship the invaders
saw my face They were terribly scared
because they thought that I was him Like
we didn’t kill this guy I remember that they
said this and talked among
themselves Like we thought we killed this
guy where did he come from
here I remember that I talked to them, it took them a
while to understand that I was not the
same person
and I had screen Memories
about this
when They tried to impose screen
memories that we kill our
evil versions, that is, our Evil
Twins, that is, people who look like
us with our faces of evil twins Yes,
when we got rid of these there are people
who helped me get rid of these
screens of memories and We worked to
find out the truth when I got rid of them
I realized what really happened
when they realized that they could not come on
board this the ship was blocked,
they had a choice either to make a hole in
it or to be allowed in of their own free will
and they began to enter and manipulate
with the knowledge of the people who were from that
ship, they brought them to the medical unit and
began to manipulate their consciousness so that
they believed that they were on actually
work for them and what they will do
will be right so that you can go
on board their ship, that is, they made
them double agents in essence and then they
took the ship for themselves from that moment and
drove everyone off the ship and they went with the
soldiers and so on further It was a
tense situation It was Another
ship nakht vafin But on this ship I
was just a repairman and there are people
who remember that I was a repairman there
and people who remember another alter
saw him but I personally don’t remember that I
myself saw that I went in I could see
my Alter That is, if I had
two Alters I don’t remember that they saw
each other that is, they, as you said,
kept us separate from each other, but
when they did this there were cases when
they transfer your soul, your consciousness to
one of clones that they created in the
tank, others talked about it, that is,
you were in the tank and your Clone in
another tank and each Clone when
created contains the soul of a
child, but they take and make this Clone an
adult, that is, they grow the body
faster so we have a child's soul
or the child's consciousness is inside this body and
it can be pushed into the background when
your consciousness transfers there, that is,
when your body dies, electrons
that come out. That is, we have
electrons in the brain so that it works and they
figured out a technical way to
transfer it to another body.
Yeah, that's it. is done even here and now
when they transfer a monkey's brain to
another monkey's brain in another body and they have
already done it. It's just that what they
told the public is that that monkey
died soon. Yeah. So you're saying
that every Clone has a soul that is
attached to it a new one the soul is not your
consciousness but someone else’s That is, a new
incarnation, in essence, I
still need to find out about this I don’t know whether
this is part of your consciousness or is it another
Consciousness it could be another consciousness of
the Sun what I know is that it can see
everything you do in this body and
usually with the technologies that
some groups have, you can only serve for
20 years because the soul begins to
take over the body, that is, to take your
body back, understandable yes, but not all
programs some can do this
longer obviously as you said
Okay Okay let's let's go back to
her yeah So they did an age regression for you
there because you were there for 44
years. Yeah so what I
remember before Jimmy took over
this place they kept us at a
certain age so I think
they did age regressions for us at
some- then moments like they had
technology to grow limbs and
so on for the cloned bodies on that
base it was thanks to the technologies
that they received from different groups
they kept us at a certain age
usually at the peak of health that is, we
grew up there but when we reached a
certain age they supported
us at this peak If you were frozen, that is,
partially frozen in time, you also
probably aged much slower
inside the
bubble Yes, we aged slower there yes
Okay Wow So in the year eighty-five during
this period you decided to get rid of the
fight on the base Weren't you
afraid consequences from
them what happened was Jimi tried
to negotiate with the Draka who were at the
base and they still wanted us to
feed them but at that moment we were
only at the initial stage of seizing
control of the entire base and the Draka who
were there knew about it so they
found themselves in a situation where they also
wanted to lead this process themselves and not
put it in our hands, but they also
wanted us to feed them in principle
because this was part of the agreement that
was concluded with them and at that moment
we could not reach so many people like
before we captured the base that is, the
amount of food for them was reduced and it
got to the point where we tried Jimmy himself
tried to Negotiate with them and
try to say that we
only have this much Sorry He was very
polite Because these fights were very They
were very large and very sweaty for battle,
that is, they were not weak and it was not
easy to defeat them. Especially if they
decided to fight with us, but when they
were in the feeding room, they
were usually at home, that is,
dressed accordingly and not ready for battle and
at some point after communicating with them it
became clear that
they essentially decided that they would capture the base and
when this became clear Jimmy went with
others with whom he
served and came in realizing that he
would have to kill this group of
fighters and quite a lot of them were sitting
there then there was food in the dining room and it looked
like a cleaner dining room inside at that
time, that is, they
renovated it, it was, as far as I remember, very
white, unlike what it was at the
beginning. I remember that we went in. Jimmy
tried to talk to them,
they talked to the fight which was
in charge then
when they talked it was clear
that in essence he told Jimmy that
things wouldn’t work out like that they didn’t agree we needed to
get them more people and that was
all he had to feed them and fulfill
his part of the deal deals that he himself did
n’t make so there was no way out I
remember seeing that is in my
memories I remember Jimi
turning around and we talked about it in
other interviews What happened after
that another man who served with
me
there his Alter's name was George this is Matt
Tracy George Approached them did
what he did as he said and there was a
group of other
soldiers after Jimi came out and
took it seems he took the gun there were others
who took heavier weapons and we just
shot up the whole cafeteria Because
some of them
were fake
and others were not we just shot at the whole
room because we didn't know where
exactly Some of them are
there inside this room from the
machine guns there were, it seems some of them
had
mini something like a Gatling minigun.
Clearly, that is, some came in with such
things. Some of the
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we will be able to kill enough and we didn't
stop until they were all lying
dead in this one room and there were
other guys on other levels who
eliminated the fight that was there, we
tried to concentrate them in one area
as much as possible and in the end we managed to
do it when everything happened and
so they also felt
safe because there were a lot of them and
when they were
gone the groups they belonged to I
think I started thinking about how to get
back to the base because after that
we started working on closing all the
entrances and exits to the base so that
the only way to get there was
this is through a portal. I know that back then we
had technology blocking
them from opening portals to the base, but at the
same time, some individual
groups could still sometimes break through and
get there. It’s just that it wasn’t so
easy for them yet. didn't find a
way to get through there with the cooperation
of the army. What size were they and did
they have weapons and did they respond when
you started shooting at them? So I remember
that they tried to fight
only with their bare hands, that is, they are
huge, about five meters tall,
very tall That is, these are not small
creatures at all, that is, Imagine
that you are a child who stands in front of them
They are just giants for you but when we
reached a certain age
they were still taller than us of course but
we could
at least stand at a certain level When
we were no longer afraid them as before Well,
of course, in one-on-one hand-to-hand combat
we didn’t have a chance because they have
much more strength and then their psychic
abilities are just
off the charts,
so it was a very difficult situation.
That is, what Jimi did
then at the
base was difficult because they
could just get into your head But
most of the time it depended on the
situation That is, if you make groups of
such creatures think that they have everything
under control, they
become complacent and no matter
what group you are dealing with Yes, it is
very difficult to use psionic
abilities and at the same time still fighting
at the same time It's not easy
to focus on either this or that
yes for people first of all but for
fighting I think they could do this
But it's still not easy because you
have to focus differently but if
they want to get into your mind If you are one
on one with them They will get into your mind
without problems and not only into yours but also into
several people at the same time Okay And
after that they essentially disappeared for
some time
yes Yes, so it was
in our time and then by
2014 they agreed with someone and the group
that I remember it was a group of
mercenaries fighting that were returning
to essentially retake the base in
collaboration with a group from the army. That
is, it was someone from the army they were
completely in
black they occupied the surface level of the
base That is, when we managed to escape from the
base,
that is, there was a fight when they attacked. They came in.
They killed several of us and as soon as
we gave up because there were too
many of them, they came out of the portals, that is,
They opened several portals at the base and
Soldiers fell from there. a fight of a
class of
warriors a fight who led this
platoon he essentially allowed us to
surrender and under the terms of this surrender he
allowed us to leave with those who
were left with us we could take with us anything
that we could carry and it was
only us ourselves in essence they they didn’t let us
take any weapons, that is, they
just said Go and everything else we
will kill you but the army at the
time when they were at
surface level they were all invisible they
were dressed in Black and in
stealth mode they had some kind of
camouflage technology and they still have it
now. But then they already had it and they
set up posts on the surface and
the order was that if any of us
tried to return to the base and go in
their direction, they would kill us. I don’t
know if Draco ordered this who was
in charge there or did they themselves decide that they
would just shoot
us, that is, they worked with the army, you
said and you don’t know which
group of the army it was with? Yes, I don’t know, it
was some kind of isolated group in the
army, but it was some kind of
special forces
definitely when they took off the invisibility at the
moment when, that
is, we wanted to go towards the
Monk area itself, they took off the invisibility and
pointed weapons at us And we were not
armed and Yes, we had abilities But
not all of us could directly use
Telekinesis about that is they set up a post
around the perimeter of the base, waiting for you.
Yes, so they took off their invisibility and
pointed their weapons at you and what happened
you managed to get away, they just told us to
turn around and go back in a
circle and go back to where we came from
because they wanted us to go back and in
the end we
slipped towards the naval base there.
There was an empty naval base somewhere in mo point and we
could probably find it but in the end we
got to this naval base and it
took us a while to get
there I remember that the people who were with
Jimi we started starve
and we started hunting in order to eat, that is, we
started looking for food and temporarily organizing
To hunt and just survive and We
ate what we could catch there And it was
not very good food
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